Performance Boats- Alive and Well!!!

[HUH]

Personaly I think speed is relative.. My boat did not come with a speedometer but id guess it goes 70 something.. We were out the other day heading across the broads.. Typical situation where the 4 big cruisers all headed across my bow from the west all failed to stand down.. upon looking to my stern I realized another 35+ footer was full bore up my stern.. IMHO I had no choice but to avoid this typical situation with liberal use of the throttle.. It all worked out well and I remembered to give them all the universal signal..

[Airwaves]

Originally Posted by colt17

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?

Originally posted by VTSteve

Given the issue, I would think that every local and state news organization would be keeping their ears and eyes peeled for just such an instance.

Not to contradict, but as I pointed out during the debate that must not be mentioned, Lake Winnipesaukee is just a blip on the overall news screen outside of the Lakes Region in NH, and isn't even a blip on the Boston media screen.

A speeding ticket does not news make! A forum like this is the place where that information is most likely to show up but only if someone wants to do the legwork and go over to Glendale on a regular basis and look.

[Bear Islander]

I don't see where the number of tickets make any difference. If there are many, it will be said the limit was needed. If there are few (or none) it will be argued the limit is working.

This is the oppositions "Kobayashi Maru" scenario.

[BroadHopper]

The MP's must have been concentrating their time looking for speeders.
The Captain Boneheads and Drunks were out full force!
Captain Pontoon came within feets of my boat as I am anchored in a Timber Island cove with grandkids in the water!

[jrc]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I don't see where the number of tickets make any difference. If there are many, it will be said the limit was needed. If there are few (or none) it will be argued the limit is working.

This is the oppositions "Kobayashi Maru" scenario.

But remember "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" or was it the other way around?

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I don't see where the number of tickets make any difference. If there are many, it will be said the limit was needed. If there are few (or none) it will be argued the limit is working.

This is the oppositions "Kobayashi Maru" scenario.

Perhaps some will. But the MP had a statement in the paper not long ago about proponents expectations. Did you read it?

[Kings Bluff]

From what I saw last week the MP's aren't enforcing the speed limits in Alton Bay. Boats continue to roar by at all hours of the day and night.

[fatlazyless]

Today, for the last two hours, that expensive looking helicopter slowly moving about the lake up at 500' or so, is probably the state police chopper. So, don't forget to smile and wave , and maybe you'll get to be televised on a soon-to-be-seen TruTV police epic!

Live from Lake Winnipesaukee....those boats can run....but can they hide....from the law enforcement eye in the sky?

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by FLL

Today, for the last two hours, that expensive looking helicopter slowly moving about the lake up at 500' or so, is probably the state police chopper. So, don't forget to smile and wave , and maybe you'll get to be televised on a soon-to-be-seen TruTV police epic!

Live from Lake Winnipesaukee....those boats can run....but can they hide....from the law enforcement eye in the sky?

At an average operating cost of $431.70 dollars an hour for a standard Bell 407 helicopter (not a helicopter with additional police equipment, avionics or personel) I doubt that the NHSP will be doing the "eye in the sky" trick very often over Lake Winnipesaukee to maybe watch for a boat or two!

[pm203]

I know of several people who have allready hit 100 mph on the lake this year. And a new 52 foot performance boat was just dropped in the lake this weekend. As far as Fay saying the lake is quieter? Its the weather.

[livefreeordie]

I spent both days on the water, sat on my dads nor-tech for the poker run and sun on my wakeboard boat with friends. Both days were full of people passing within 50ft under way and people not knowing the rules about standing down to boats on your right....

All weekend I felt surrounded by people who just got there first boat and had no clue what the rules were....

BTW big thanks to the big shot in his big Regal cruiser that smashed my dads boat into the dock messing up the paint and then acting like its no big deal and boats are meant to be scratched.... him and his whole crew were rude and very UN simpathetic.... people like that should be kicked off the lake back to ware they came from.... my Guess in NY or CT

[jrc]

LFOD if a guy smashed my boat into the dock and messed up the paint, I'd be looking for his insurance company, he can keep the sympathy.

[cowisl]

Nice to see many of the performance boats supporting the Easter Seals on Saturday.

[livefreeordie]

Originally Posted by cowisl

Nice to see many of the performance boats supporting the Easter Seals on Saturday.

def a great evet as always.....

[AB_Monterey]

Originally Posted by livefreeordie

I spent both days on the water, sat on my dads nor-tech for the poker run and sun on my wakeboard boat with friends. Both days were full of people passing within 50ft under way and people not knowing the rules about standing down to boats on your right....

All weekend I felt surrounded by people who just got there first boat and had no clue what the rules were....

BTW big thanks to the big shot in his big Regal cruiser that smashed my dads boat into the dock messing up the paint and then acting like its no big deal and boats are meant to be scratched.... him and his whole crew were rude and very UN simpathetic.... people like that should be kicked off the lake back to ware they came from.... my Guess in NY or CT

Same here. Hats off to the moron on the "Syphen" who decided to blow past me just outside of the mouth of Alton Bay. He split the distance between myself and another boater who were about 250 ft apart.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by AB_Monterey

Same here. Hats off to the moron on the "Syphen" who decided to blow past me just outside of the mouth of Alton Bay. He split the distance between myself and another boater who were about 250 ft apart.

That's better than most at 125' apart on each side


Good to see everything's under control over there.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by AB_Monterey

Same here. Hats off to the moron on the "Syphen" who decided to blow past me just outside of the mouth of Alton Bay. He split the distance between myself and another boater who were about 250 ft apart.

Seriously? You're upset because you had 125' feet between boats instead of 150'?

I do my absolute best to obey the 150' law, but damn if that isn't one of the most idiotic boating laws I've ever heard of. I keep seeing people getting so bent out of shape if someone comes within 80' of their boat. This is a relatively small lake, there are many places where no more than 2 boats can reasonably pass each other while also maintain adequate distance from shore, each other, other water hazards, etc.

Part of my big problem with the 150' law, is that it seems 1/2 of the people on the lake aren't aware of it, and 1/2 of the remaining bunch can't judge 150' with any degree of accuracy. I would much rather be alert and expect that a boat may come closer than 150' to me then expect people will obey this law.

If someone cuts across your bow or stern with only a dozen feet to spare, they are certainly reckless. If someone passes you 80 feet to the side because the area is congested, or simply because that is the most direct or logical path, you are not in imminent danger of death.

I'm sure many people will disagree with me, but that is just one that just seems like a waste of legislation.

[AB_Monterey]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Seriously? You're upset because you had 125' feet between boats instead of 150'?

I do my absolute best to obey the 150' law, but damn if that isn't one of the most idiotic boating laws I've ever heard of. I keep seeing people getting so bent out of shape if someone comes within 80' of their boat. This is a relatively small lake, there are many places where no more than 2 boats can reasonably pass each other while also maintain adequate distance from shore, each other, other water hazards, etc.

Part of my big problem with the 150' law, is that it seems 1/2 of the people on the lake aren't aware of it, and 1/2 of the remaining bunch can't judge 150' with any degree of accuracy. I would much rather be alert and expect that a boat may come closer than 150' to me then expect people will obey this law.

If someone cuts across your bow or stern with only a dozen feet to spare, they are certainly reckless. If someone passes you 80 feet to the side because the area is congested, or simply because that is the most direct or logical path, you are not in imminent danger of death.

I'm sure many people will disagree with me, but that is just one that just seems like a waste of legislation.

Yes, I spend alot of time avoiding those that have no idea what 150' feet is or could care less. That said, it is the law and I don't really give a damn if it's the "most direct way" or not.

I am always well aware of what's happening around me. He must've just pulled out of a cove becuse he was not there just seconds before he blew threw there and we always have 4 eyes watching the traffic. My wife is a bit of a paranoid about it.

There was plenty of room to our port for him to safely pass both of us.

[VtSteve]

There was plenty of room to our port for him to safely pass both of us.

And that's generally what I would do as well. It's more proper, less of an annoyance for others, and just a bit more friendly.

But he has a point. Many people couldn't judge 150' with a laser rangefinder I've been within half of that with two to three boats, traveling at (GASP!!!!!!!!!!!:eek) Plane speed. About 25 to 35 is fine.

Like I always say about interstate driving, If you can't travel from Vermont to NH at 75 mph without tapping your brakes without traffic, you really shouldn't be driving. Same at 70 mph, 65 mph .....

[ApS]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

"...I do my absolute best to obey the 150' law, but damn if that isn't one of the most idiotic boating laws I've ever heard of..."

What would happen if every boater ignored the rules that annoyed them?

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Seriously? You're upset because you had 125' feet between boats instead of 150'?

I do my absolute best to obey the 150' law, but damn if that isn't one of the most idiotic boating laws I've ever heard of. I keep seeing people getting so bent out of shape if someone comes within 80' of their boat. This is a relatively small lake, there are many places where no more than 2 boats can reasonably pass each other while also maintain adequate distance from shore, each other, other water hazards, etc.

Part of my big problem with the 150' law, is that it seems 1/2 of the people on the lake aren't aware of it, and 1/2 of the remaining bunch can't judge 150' with any degree of accuracy. I would much rather be alert and expect that a boat may come closer than 150' to me then expect people will obey this law.

If someone cuts across your bow or stern with only a dozen feet to spare, they are certainly reckless. If someone passes you 80 feet to the side because the area is congested, or simply because that is the most direct or logical path, you are not in imminent danger of death.

I'm sure many people will disagree with me, but that is just one that just seems like a waste of legislation.

I think it needs to be pointed out that 3 boats within 250' evenly spaced leaves about 83' between each boat. About half the required 150'.
I do agree that 150' is excessive, as long as each captain is fully aware of the other and their intentions.

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

What would happen if every boater ignored the rules that annoyed them?

Right, because every boat within 150' is going to have a head on crash. I mean seriously, that has happened so many times on Lake Winni, I can't begin to count them all.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by chipj29

I think it needs to be pointed out that 3 boats within 250' evenly spaced leaves about 83' between each boat. About half the required 150'.

Draw it out on a piece of paper.

You would have one boat at "0" feet. Then the second boat at 125 feet, then the third boat at 250 feet.

Ignoring the beam of each boat, if someone splits the difference between you and another boat that is 250' away, you'd have about 125' between each boat.

[wifi]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Draw it out on a piece of paper.

You would have one boat at "0" feet. Then the second boat at 125 feet, then the third boat at 250 feet.

Ignoring the beam of each boat, if someone splits the difference between you and another boat that is 250' away, you'd have about 125' between each boat.

Unless the boat in the middle was 84' wide

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Draw it out on a piece of paper.

You would have one boat at "0" feet. Then the second boat at 125 feet, then the third boat at 250 feet.

Ignoring the beam of each boat, if someone splits the difference between you and another boat that is 250' away, you'd have about 125' between each boat.

Gotcha. I was picturiing a different scenario. It made sense to me at the time.

[cowisl]

Back on topic...just found out that over 60K was raised on Saturday for the Easter Seals! Nice job to everyone that participated!

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Originally Posted by cowisl

Back on topic...just found out that over 60K was raised on Saturday for the Easter Seals! Nice job to everyone that participated!

That is fantastic! Did everyone have fun? I really enjoyed the boats, (especially the fast ones) though I could not tell which ones were participating.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by cowisl

Back on topic...just found out that over 60K was raised on Saturday for the Easter Seals! Nice job to everyone that participated!

That's down a little from last year, but phenomenal given the weather and the economy this year. Any news on how much the kayakers contributed?

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

What would happen if every boater ignored the rules that annoyed them?

Where did I say I ignored the rule? In fact, I specifically pointed out that I comply with the 150' law as best as possible (sometimes other boaters make it damn near impossible to do so).

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

What would happen if every boater ignored the rules that annoyed them?

You are confused, on purpose

People ignore, or are ignorant of the laws every single day of the week. The reason you're appearing so confused to yourself, is because you don't really care about what you state you are. You care about sailing, freedom to roam, all of that. You care not for safety, or enforcement, or any of that.

If you genuinely did care for all of that, you'd wonder about the missing link in all of these discussions. You know, the one you never bring up. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

If you picked up on the math quiz, and I'm quite sure you did, you'd know that the problem boater above (rude), was illegal by about 25' per boat. Not a huge sum, but technically in the wrong. But you commented on the principle of it. But I've yet to see you chime in on the other, far more important, and far more dangerous moments. Jet skiis between swimmers.

How about this one?

"The MPs were out enforcing this rule hardcore this weekend I can say. Some guy in a 18 foot bayliner or something blows by us and 3 other boats in Alton Bay Sunday and the MP is sitting right in the channel-where you have to obey the rule or he has you. This guy broke the 150 on 4 boats and also the MP
"


No comment APS?

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I don't see where the number of tickets make any difference. If there are many, it will be said the limit was needed. If there are few (or none) it will be argued the limit is working.

This is the oppositions "Kobayashi Maru" scenario.

: laugh:
CLASSIC! BI, I got a huge kick outta this one. Whatever the facts may be yes they will ALWAYS support your argument. Thanks for the laugh.

Happy Boating 2009... Is it summer yet?