Hot Tip.........Big Boat......Coming Soon

[Liquorish]

Having owned three 40 plus footers over the years on the lake, docking can be a challenge, not from the actual process, it’s all about the available space! I spent many hours “hovering” by myself ( enjoying every moment) after having dropped everyone else off to shop or eat.
I’ll certainly enjoy watching her on the lake, and wish Marc many, many enjoyable times on the water. She’s beautiful!

[Chimi]

I just hope this guy has some common courtesy to keep the wakes down when near shoreline, especially with the lake at this high level. That vessel has potential to do some serious damage to the shoreline and personal property. I believe NH has a law on the books which states that a vessel captain is responsible for damages done by his wake (but I could be wrong).

[Major]

Originally Posted by Chimi

I just hope this guy has some common courtesy to keep the wakes down when near shoreline, especially with the lake at this high level. That vessel has potential to do some serious damage to the shoreline and personal property. I believe NH has a law on the books which states that a vessel captain is responsible for damages done by his wake (but I could be wrong).

I’m pretty sure you are wrong. The Sophie C and Doris E produce far larger wakes than any other boat save maybe the Mount Washington.


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[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Chimi

I just hope this guy has some common courtesy to keep the wakes down when near shoreline, especially with the lake at this high level. That vessel has potential to do some serious damage to the shoreline and personal property. I believe NH has a law on the books which states that a vessel captain is responsible for damages done by his wake (but I could be wrong).

Seriously?

As stated above, the Sophie C and the Doris E produce much larger wakes than this boat will. My experience is that their wakes are larger than the Mount Washington.

However, the increasing problem on the lake is the "Wake Setter" boats and other boats designed specifically to make a large wake. This new 56 foot boat may pass by once or twice and leave a wake. The Wake Setter boats may set up for a few hours in front of your house while everyone on the boat takes a turn in the lake. Hours of heavy wakes washing up on your front yard.

This is a real threat, one that is happening now. I saw the first one yesterday, with a surfer in the water, in front of my house. The wake from that boat washed several feet over the sea wall and onto my property. It is only going to get worse.

[ishoot308]

The Mount barely makes a wake. Heck my 22’ Eastern will produce a bigger wake than the Mount till she planes... The Sophie C and Doris E are another story however!

[Chimi]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Seriously?

As stated above, the Sophie C and the Doris E produce much larger wakes than this boat will. My experience is that their wakes are larger than the Mount Washington.

However, the increasing problem on the lake is the "Wake Setter" boats and other boats designed specifically to make a large wake. This new 56 foot boat may pass by once or twice and leave a wake. The Wake Setter boats may set up for a few hours in front of your house while everyone on the boat takes a turn in the lake. Hours of heavy wakes washing up on your front yard.

This is a real threat, one that is happening now. I saw the first one yesterday, with a surfer in the water, in front of my house. The wake from that boat washed several feet over the sea wall and onto my property. It is only going to get worse.

Yes, seriously. I don’t own waterfront property, so I have no dog in the fight. Simply making a point, so I don’t know why you had to make the condescending remark. You said it yourself that your property is being damaged by boat wakes. So if this guy sends a tsunami over your sea wall, then I guess you will just smile and wave? I still think there is a law on the books that says a captain is responsible for damages done by their wake.

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by Chimi

Yes, seriously. I don’t own waterfront property, so I have no dog in the fight. Simply making a point, so I don’t know why you had to make the condescending remark. You said it yourself that your property is being damaged by boat wakes. So if this guy sends a tsunami over your sea wall, then I guess you will just smile and wave? I still think there is a law on the books that says a captain is responsible for damages done by their wake.

I am speechless!

Some random, trying to disparage others?... You are certainly not helping your "cause".

You do not own waterfront property of any kind, yet you spew venom about those that do?

Take your "dog" to the park. And please clean up the poop behind him/her.

[Chimi]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

I am speechless!

Some random, trying to disparage others?... You are certainly not helping your "cause".

You do not own waterfront property of any kind, yet you spew venom about those that do?

Take your "dog" to the park. And please clean up the poop behind him/her.

Disparage others? Spew venom? Hey Snowflake, lighten up will you? Your post must be a joke, because nobody would take what you wrote seriously. My first post was simply to ask if the owner of this new yacht would operate with some common courtesy, especially since the lake is high. Then you come on the scene with your diarrhea of the mouth. Nice job!

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Seriously?

As stated above, the Sophie C and the Doris E produce much larger wakes than this boat will. My experience is that their wakes are larger than the Mount Washington.

However, the increasing problem on the lake is the "Wake Setter" boats and other boats designed specifically to make a large wake. This new 56 foot boat may pass by once or twice and leave a wake. The Wake Setter boats may set up for a few hours in front of your house while everyone on the boat takes a turn in the lake. Hours of heavy wakes washing up on your front yard.

This is a real threat, one that is happening now. I saw the first one yesterday, with a surfer in the water, in front of my house. The wake from that boat washed several feet over the sea wall and onto my property. It is only going to get worse.

Good law or bad, the courts have held boat operators responsible for their wake.

Here’s a Boat US article on the subject:

https://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/mag...-liability.asp

Something for everyone to consider whether we like it or not...

And, The Mount makes almost no wake ever since they upgraded the engines a few years ago.

[fatlazyless]

In 2009 The Mount Washington qualified to receive a federal grant of about one million dollars through the Obama Admin's - Cash for Clunkers - EPA program and replaced their two 1946 diesels with two new Caterpillar clean diesel engines with installation completed in 2010.

The old diesels were 64-years old, voluminous in size, and well known for their familiar and iconic whosh-whosh-whosh sound which has been replaced with two new 2009 yellow Cats that are very efficient but emit an unimpressive buzz sound.

https://www.fosters.com/article/2009...WS02/707169765 ..... going from the old whoosh-whoosh-whoosh to the new buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The old engines and the new engines all make a similar wake which seems flat and smooth for a 230' ship moving along at about 20-mph. So smooth that towing a 14-year old water skier on two skis on a 75' tow with mediocre skill is a piece-o-cake!

Much like the 2003 crash of the Old Man on the Mountain, the demise of the MS Mount Washington's iconic whoosh-whoosh-whoosh sound is deeply missed by many lake area residents. Sondra Kaputnitz of Wolfeboro says she just starts to cry, every time she hears that awful buzzzzzzzzzzzz sound, cruis'n on down the lake. ....... exclaiming ...... it is just so totally dreadful! ....... awwwwggggghhhhhhh

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Chimi

I just hope this guy has some common courtesy to keep the wakes down when near shoreline, especially with the lake at this high level. That vessel has potential to do some serious damage to the shoreline and personal property. I believe NH has a law on the books which states that a vessel captain is responsible for damages done by his wake (but I could be wrong).

The owner is so courteous, that the NHMP can visit him before he returns to his dock.

.

[brk-lnt]

John Spooner / Diamond Shine have posted some additional pics of it on Facebook, as it is getting cleaned and prepped for launch.

I'm kind of surprised he didn't follow the current trend for boats like this to do the name on the transom in 3D backlit letters. Guess he wanted to save some cash

Should be a fun summer for its inaugural launch.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

John Spooner / Diamond Shine have posted some additional pics of it on Facebook, as it is getting cleaned and prepped for launch.

I'm kind of surprised he didn't follow the current trend for boats like this to do the name on the transom in 3D backlit letters. Guess he wanted to save some cash

Should be a fun summer for its inaugural launch.

John said he was putting on a ceramic coat. I had an estimate for my car of 1500.00 for a ceramic coat. I could only imagine the cost for such a huge job.


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[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by joey2665

John said he was putting on a ceramic coat. I had an estimate for my car of 1500.00 for a ceramic coat. I could only imagine the cost for such a huge job.

No doubt it was costly, but in the grand scheme of things, it was probably less expensive than the transport costs. Even at $100/ft, that would "only" be $5600. A tank of gas (assuming you're filling 500gal of the 580gal total capacity for a "fill up") is going to be $1500-$2000, depending on exact price and delivery method at the time.

So, the ceramic coat was probably about 3 tanks of gas, which in that context seems cheap

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

No doubt it was costly, but in the grand scheme of things, it was probably less expensive than the transport costs. Even at $100/ft, that would "only" be $5600. A tank of gas (assuming you're filling 500gal of the 580gal total capacity for a "fill up") is going to be $1500-$2000, depending on exact price and delivery method at the time.

So, the ceramic coat was probably about 3 tanks of gas, which in that context seems cheap

Cheap for him, expensive for me. . I wish them the best of luck and hope to see them out on the lake this season.


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[dt5150]

are they still trying to sell their mansion on gov. island? what are they going to do with that thing if they do? i would imagine it might be a tad difficult to find a slip big enough for it elsewhere. there's always valet i guess.. can you imagine having to launch and load that sucker every time the owner wanted to go out?!?

[Tank151]

I don't care how much money you have, but a boat this size (if true) on the lake? The owner must be afraid of going on the ocean!

[JADAQ]

So why was the post so “top secret “?

Who cares, it’s a boat. Wow someone’s got money.... ooooo

[joey2665]

Rolling into town:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1423...6199164727971/


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[The Real BigGuy]

Check out video of interior here. All I can say is WOW!!! https://www.marinemax.com/boats-for-...-myers/6999300


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[joey2665]

Holy cow!!! Hilarious there is a payment calculator st the bottom of the page. If you need to use it you can’t afford this boat.


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[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Holy cow!!! Hilarious there is a payment calculator st the bottom of the page. If you need to use it you can’t afford this boat.

I know tons of people financing million dollar boats. The prices on some used boats, particularly the high-demand center consoles like Freeman, don't follow the same depreciation curve and you can end up "owning" one of these boats for a few years with a lot less net out of pocket than you would think. I don't think this boat falls in that category (eg: it is likely to depreciate heavily the first year), it still would not surprise me to see it financed, not for "lack of cash" reasons, but for "cash management" reasons.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

I know tons of people financing million dollar boats. The prices on some used boats, particularly the high-demand center consoles like Freeman, don't follow the same depreciation curve and you can end up "owning" one of these boats for a few years with a lot less net out of pocket than you would think. I don't think this boat falls in that category (eg: it is likely to depreciate heavily the first year), it still would not surprise me to see it financed, not for "lack of cash" reasons, but for "cash management" reasons.

Very true. I was really more commenting that if you are worried about the payment amount to use the calculator you shouldn’t buy it.

Personally I would obviously if I could, buy a boat such as this definitely finance for cash management.


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[chachee52]

Took a cruise around the lake this weekend. Got a chance to look at this boat, I must say, it doesn't look as big as some of the other boats around it. Might be because its not as tall as the others?
Whatever it might be, nice looking boat.

[mneck1814]

We just saw the boat waiting for a spot at the Meredith docks and I will admit that it looked smaller in person than I anticipated, too. We didn’t stick around to see how long they had to wait for a spot, but it looked like they had a full crew onboard watching the docks for an opening.

[Descant]

Pictures, please?

[Descant]

Huh? I was hoping for some pics of the Galeon hanging from the crane, and in the water. I'm not sure what your post is about?

[webmaster]

Originally Posted by Descant

Huh? I was hoping for some pics of the Galeon hanging from the crane, and in the water. I'm not sure what your post is about?

Check this post:

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...2&postcount=26

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Descant

Huh? I was hoping for some pics of the Galeon hanging from the crane, and in the water. I'm not sure what your post is about?

Like these?

[ushaggerb]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Like these?

Hey. That's the same crane we used to put in our runabout.

[salty dog]

We were just pulling anchor after finishing lunch yesterday in Saunders Bay and noticed the new Galeon coming out of the marina. It came up to speed quickly, heading towards the end of Governors Island. Decided to pursue it just to watch it and maybe get a quick video. We pretty much caught up when it really poured it on. As I matched it's speed, it started to pull away at close to 30 mph. It was fun to watch it run but it sure is more boat than I'd ever need! I think I read that at cruising speed it burns about 40GPH.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BGl91sdX2k

[Blyblvrd]

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[thinkxingu]

Good thing that guy was there to give 'em a push with his hands.

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[ApS]

Did the skipper NOT have sailing experience? When you have to "work with the wind", you gain a greater respect for Mother Nature. That boat was SO large, the skipper might not have seen that he had docking-help from another boat!

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Good thing that guy was there to give 'em a push with his hands.

That was sarcasm, right? The video showed the boat crew had set a huge ball-fender between the two boats—early-on.

Speaking of sailing and powerboats, disabled USN submarine R-14 set improvised sail, and sailed its return 120 miles back to its home port!

[Tank151]

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean. Apparently the Captain has no -----

[Paugus Bay Resident]

Personally, I don't believe we need any more regulations, we have more than enough when it comes to the lake and boating. Maybe a bit more common sense and courtesy, but that can't be legislated

While I do agree that the boat may be a bit "large" for Winni, it's not my boat and not my money. It's a free country and as long as the vessel is operated in a safe and couteous manner, I couldn't care less.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Tank151

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean. Apparently the Captain has no -----

What’s next? Limit the size of lake front house you can build based on the size of the lake?Limit the number of guests you can have based on the size of the lake? The proposal suggest the beginning of a slippery slope we may not want to start down.


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[Garcia]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

What’s next? Limit the size of lake front house you can build based on the size of the lake?Limit the number of guests you can have based on the size of the lake? The proposal suggest the beginning of a slippery slope we may not want to start down.


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I think all of the options stated are controversial and uncomfortable. However, I feel the towns and the state should be more proactive in looking at ways to not necessarily over-regulate, but to make sure that growth remains sustainable. For example, if you have a huge influx of tourists for a three month season, workers are needed - where do they live and come from? As more people are coming and boating for the day or weekend (as waterfront is out of reach for most), where do they launch their boats, at what cost, and where are vehicles and trailers parked? Slips and valets are hard to find and building new ones is not an option - will the market simply start to squeeze out those at the lower end of the income scale as those who can afford to pay more continue to drive up prices?

I am a capitalist. But, I am also a believer in proactive planning so that future generations can continue to enjoy the Lake as I do.

[Biggd]

The next recession will shrink the size and the amount of boats on the lake just like the last one did.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by pondguy

Some people just like to flash their money

Others work extremely hard and make the choice to enjoy the fruits of their labor

[Major]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Others work extremely hard and make the choice to enjoy the fruits of their labor

I will add that Marc is brilliant too. Very little luck involved in his success. Extremely smart and an extremely hard worker, who was willing to take risks.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Major

I will add that Marc is brilliant too. Very little luck involved in his success. Extremely smart and an extremely hard worker, who was willing to take risks.

I will not knock the guy for being able to create a successful business. But like the Summa Humma boats his fascination with this one will likely fade. Be it because of a business turn down, or simply because he doesn't enjoy it the way he thought he would. He has taken risks, I don't know and will not comment on how hard or not he works.... and that is the key to his success... The fact that he takes risks.... Wander around the state some, you will find risks he took that failed... I have found more then one MB tractor location that did not succeed. When business and the economy is good, his life is good... when it is not, you see him make changes.... He is a risk taker, that isn't afraid to loose what he has gained.

[Hillcountry]

We only live once! Why not enjoy the fruits of your labors...

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

We only live once! Why not enjoy the fruits of your labors...

I plan on coming back to haunt everyone!

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I plan on coming back to haunt everyone!

I like your idea but I don’t think I want to see the “future world” we’re headed for...

[TheRoBoat]

It is a stunning vessel

It doesn’t look as long as the Camp Lawrence boat although it is slightly bigger

The wake looks huge behind the boat (first 75’ ft or so) but flattens out quickly. The wake that travels to shore I would describe as a rolling swell. The harsh waves of the camp boat or the mail boat - or the wake setter we went by afterwards, would be more damaging.

It looked like any other boat enjoying the weekend.

[neckdweller]

This is more a question about the Meredith town docks but since this thread's subject was what got me to notice I figured I'd post here.

Yesterday afternoon I was going through Meredith and saw Summah Hummah tied up to the town docks. I went by this morning around 6 AM and saw it still in the same spot. Is there some portion of those docks that is private? I've never really taken notice of the boats there but this one is kind of tough to miss.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by neckdweller

This is more a question about the Meredith town docks but since this thread's subject was what got me to notice I figured I'd post here.

Yesterday afternoon I was going through Meredith and saw Summah Hummah tied up to the town docks. I went by this morning around 6 AM and saw it still in the same spot. Is there some portion of those docks that is private? I've never really taken notice of the boats there but this one is kind of tough to miss.

Pretty sure where it was tied up is part of the public docks.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Tank151

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean. Apparently the Captain has no -----

Wow. I hope you are kidding!!!


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[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Tank151

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean.

LOL.

This is not an "Ocean" boat, it's really a near shore boat. Yes, it's longer than what you commonly see on Winni, but compare it to something like a Marlow 53 in terms of displacement, fuel capacity, range, and general sea handling capabilities and you'll see quite a difference.

Originally Posted by Tank151

Apparently the Captain has no -----

Not sure what you were implying MB is lacking with that comment, but I'm not so sure you have much "-----" to spare either.

[Barney Bear]

This here lake is big enuf for the both of us!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Tank151

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean. Apparently the Captain has no -----

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by ApS

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.

Well, times have changed! You should be grateful that you got 35 years out of a dock. A few years ago I rebuilt one of my docks and made it 10 inches higher in the process so that water and waves would not affect it.

I don't know if you noticed but they now build boats (in a size you might approve of) that make a big wake intentionally just so people can surf on it.

As time marches on and we get a little older we have to adjust to many changes happening around us. Some we will like some we won't.

Do you have a rotary dial cell phone?

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ApS

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.

Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders

[Blyblvrd]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders

lets not forget about the water damage, these things were not built to get wet.


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[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders

This dock, built in a protected cove of Lake Winnipesaukee, has seen many recent soakings, but always near the shoreline, where the size of breaking wakes rapidly increase.

If I'd built on the Broads, I'd have longer pilings put underneath—and a breakwater—which is not permitted here on a deep and a "protected" shoreline. Since 1984, moorings and boatlifts have sprung up in Winter Harbor like mushrooms in July, so the problem of oversized boats isn't being overlooked.

Ocean-racers and "liveaboard" cruisers aren't so much of a problem on oceans.

Originally Posted by Blyblvrd

lets not forget about the water damage, these things were not built to get wet.

Good point! Most here hadn't thought to look beyond the obvious.

In 1984, the builders didn't think to use PT for the 6"x8" cross-members, so I've had to replace three of them myself—most recently last summer.

As it happened, a 6"x8" cross-member floated-by last spring. Although twice as long as needed, I snagged it, and chain-sawed it to fit.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by ApS

This dock, built in a protected cove of Lake Winnipesaukee, has seen many recent soakings, but always near the shoreline, where the size of breaking wakes rapidly increase.

If I'd built on the Broads, I'd have longer pilings put underneath—and a breakwater—which is not permitted here on a deep and a "protected" shoreline. Since 1984, moorings and boatlifts have sprung up in Winter Harbor like mushrooms in July, so the problem of oversized boats isn't being overlooked.

Ocean-racers and "liveaboard" cruisers aren't so much of a problem on oceans.


Good point! Most here hadn't thought to look beyond the obvious.

In 1984, the builders didn't think to use PT for the 6"x8" cross-members, so I've had to replace three of them myself—most recently last summer.

As it happened, a 6"x8" cross-member floated-by last spring. Although twice as long as needed, I snagged it, and chain-sawed it to fit.

Wow...please stop posting comments that have correlation to the subject from OP. Big boat on lake...

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

Wow...please stop posting comments that have correlation to the subject from OP. Big boat on lake...

These comments from afar that don't contribute to any value from the OP What do you suggest to correct this problem? I come on the forum to understand what current OP are trying to information or help and learn. But really to have so many posts that are just totally off the wall like this recent one just does add any value. It is not what I am looking for from the Winni forum that I used to know and learn from many excellent posters

[znh]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders

more like #****thedockspiders


I had an epic battle with one on my jetski last weekend, he did not want to get out...I had to make a weapon and duel him to the death...or at least until he jumped in the water until he is seen again...

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.

Could be climate change... Maybe the lake levels are rising along with the ocean levels???

[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Could be climate change... Maybe the lake levels are rising along with the ocean levels???

Where is AlGore when you need him ?

[eillac@dow]

Originally Posted by ApS

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.

I keep saying bite your tongue..keep quiet...don’t respond...

But seriously?

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by eillac@dow

I keep saying bite your tongue..keep quiet...don’t respond...

But seriously?

Yeah, apparently it must of been a sloooooooow day for the "things to complain about" dept...

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by ApS

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend.

I find this impossible to believe. My dock is normally high and dry too.... but when the water is high I get wake wash... Now what do I consider high... 504.32 feet is high water, and I will get a wake everynow and again that will crash through the dock.... like your picture shows.... Now my dock isn't in trouble until 505 ft. when teh deck boards are covered....

[JEEPONLY]

Frozen Milky Way w/Nesbitts orange!

I wished I'd had a relative for a dentist!

[Cal Coon]

Suzy Q's for me!!! I never thought I would see the day that "Hostess" couldn't make it in a country of obese people!! Who knew...??? But to stay on topic, maybe that's another reason why all these otherwise "dry" docks are getting wet these days! More than ever before, obese people in bigger boats making bigger wakes...

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

Suzy Q's for me!!!

On this, we can agree.

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[dickiej]

Funny bones

[ApS]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I find this impossible to believe. My dock is normally high and dry too.... but when the water is high I get wake wash... Now what do I consider high... 504.32 feet is high water, and I will get a wake everynow and again that will crash through the dock.... like your picture shows.... Now my dock isn't in trouble until 505 ft. when the deck boards are covered....

Our dock hasn't been "covered"—ever! Even the strongest of storm winds don't break over this dock. Wish I knew the builder—he knew what he was doing. He also built my neighbor's dock, but it was removed when it couldn't meet permitting when the one-acre property was sold. The acre was split to build two maxed-out house permits—plus a "shared" septic system.

Yes, the lake is unseasonably high. Last weekend, the lake's biggest boats crashed their wakes into the shoreline to pull winter's (normal) muddy footprint into the lake. Lake water came out of the tap darker than I've ever seen it.

It's cleared now, but the invisible "nutrients" of the lake's many lakeside lawns were also "flushed" from the shoreline. As all should know by now, lawn nutrients—namely, Phosphorus and Nitrogen—encourage the growth of algae and exotic milfoil.

Oversized boats may make life gentler for an aging population of boaters, but who would support any oversized mono-hulls—which are speeding Lake Winnipesaukee to an eutrophic end.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

Our dock hasn't been "covered"—ever! Even the strongest of storm winds don't break over this dock. Wish I knew the builder—he knew what he was doing. He also built my neighbor's dock, but it was removed when it couldn't meet permitting when the one-acre property was sold. The acre was split to build two maxed-out house permits—plus a "shared" septic system.

Yes, the lake is unseasonably high. Last weekend, the lake's biggest boats crashed their wakes into the shoreline to pull winter's (normal) muddy footprint into the lake. Lake water came out of the tap darker than I've ever seen it.

It's cleared now, but the invisible "nutrients" of the lake's many lakeside lawns were also "flushed" from the shoreline. As all should know by now, lawn nutrients—namely, Phosphorus and Nitrogen—encourage the growth of algae and exotic milfoil.

Oversized boats may make life gentler for an aging population of boaters, but who would support any oversized mono-hulls—which are speeding Lake Winnipesaukee to an eutrophic end.

So maybe ALL the "lakeside lawns" should be banned. Get rid of them before they turn the lake into a swamp!! It doesn't matter anyways, according to some, who shall remain nameless for the sake of going off topic, say that the world as we know it is coming to an end in 12 years anyways!! So we might as well "live it up" while we can...

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

So maybe ALL the "lakeside lawns" should be banned. Get rid of them before they turn the lake into a swamp!! It doesn't matter anyways, according to some, who shall remain nameless for the sake of going off topic, say that the world as we know it is coming to an end in 12 years anyways!! So we might as well "live it up" while we can...

You are correct. Lakeside lawns with no buffer shed a lot of phosphorous and nitrogen into the lake. These things darken the water, promote milfoil and cyanobacteria growth, and over time lead to a much less pleasant lake, even a swamp, as you point out. Mirror Lake, right next door has a had a terrible time, and many parts of Winni are suffering already from too much phosphorous even now (we don't have to wait 12 years).

Also, even if you have a good natural buffer between your (hopefully modest) lawn and the water, it's also best to use fertilizer with no phosphorous. Look at the three numbers on the package, the middle one should be zero.

[tis]

It is the law to use that fertilizer on lawns on the lake and has been for quite some time.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by tis

It is the law to use that fertilizer on lawns on the lake and has been for quite some time.

What is legal is not always best practice. The Shoreland Water Quality Protection Act is fairly specific about best practices within the waterfront buffer (first 50 feet). Lawn and related fertilizers are not the first choice.
https://www.des.nh.gov/organization/...ments/sp-5.pdf

[ApS]

An excellent study from Michigan:

http://www.mishorelinepartnership.or...shoreline.html

Each "insult" to a lake's life can be seen within a quarter-mile from our Winter Harbor location. From "Slumping", "Rilling", "Gullying", "Seawalls", to "Soil Creep"

•Level control structures – May raise lake levels to an unnatural point on the shoreline where soils are less able to withstand wave and ice action.
•Clear-cutting natural vegetation – The removal of vegetation by landowners to maximize the amount of visibility and access to the water. In addition to destroying wildlife habitat, the clear-cutting of natural vegetation also eliminates the erosion-preventing root structures once provided by native plants, trees and shrubs.
•Stormwater runoff – Created by areas with impervious surfaces, such as driveways, parking areas and roofs. Impervious surfaces around lakes collect and deliver precipitation over land instead of allowing it to infiltrate into the soil.

"Soil Creep":

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

So maybe ALL the "lakeside lawns" should be banned. Get rid of them before they turn the lake into a swamp!! It doesn't matter anyways, according to some, who shall remain nameless for the sake of going off topic, say that the world as we know it is coming to an end in 12 years anyways!! So we might as well "live it up" while we can...

I'd like to see a new law requiring the planting of blueberry bushes.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by ApS

...I'd like to see a new law requiring the planting of blueberry bushes...

I don't get excited about more laws, but incentives and free stuff work. Most conservation commissions give out evergreen seelings that they get from the state nursery in Boscawen. Why not roll that over to Blueberries, wintergreen, etc. and related shrub type ground cover? Tough to get rid of all lawns, but, especially in a cove or on a small lake, getting rid of some can be beneficial. You can still have lawns of course, but the woody ground cover is beneficial close to shore.

[joey2665]

The whole dock is public there is no private area and I can confirm it was there overnight. Only legitimate reason for the stay would be maybe the vessel was having issues.


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[Seaplane Pilot]

I went by at 3:45 this afternoon, and it was still there. There were 2 Meredith cops on the dock next to the boat, one looked like he might have been writing a ticket of some sort. Went by again at 6:00, and it was gone.

[rick35]

Anyone know how much a three hour dock violation is? I see boats tied up at Shep Browns public dock long term occasionally and I have to guess the fines are less than renting a slip.

[JADAQ]

He was at a 3 day event at Church landing. Not sure how he got permission to park long term but, $$$ can get you lots of things!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by JADAQ

He was at a 3 day event at Church landing. Not sure how he got permission to park long term but, $$$ can get you lots of things!

Who knows what the story is here, but the friends I have/I've known with money definitely see the rules differently. I actually posted something on the Facebook forum recently that was based on one such friend: when he saw, "$50 fine for XXXX," he interpreted it as, "it costs $50 to do XXXX."

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[ApS]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Who knows what the story is here, but the friends I have/I've known with money definitely see the rules differently. I actually posted something on the Facebook forum recently that was based on one such friend: when he saw, "$50 fine for XXXX," he interpreted it as, "it costs $50 to do XXXX."

Same with waterfront trees.

They pay the fine so they have the view.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by JADAQ

He was at a 3 day event at Church landing. Not sure how he got permission to park long term but, $$$ can get you lots of things!

I understand money talks but the season is so short and weekends so busy especially at all the town docks it just isn’t right for this boat to take up 2-3 spots for 3 days. I pulled up there about 1:00 Saturday and there were obviously no spots to be had and 5 boats in front of me and more coming in behind.


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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I understand money talks but the season is so short and weekends so busy especially at all the town docks it just isn’t right for this boat to take up 2-3 spots for 3 days. I pulled up there about 1:00 Saturday and there were obviously no spots to be had and 5 boats in front of me and more coming in behind.


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And this is exactly why we stay off the lake on weekends! Weekdays are not without issues but much less stressful docking at the various towns.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

And this is exactly why we stay off the lake on weekends! Weekdays are not without issues but much less stressful docking at the various towns.

I’m with you. I much prefer the weekdays to weekends on the lake. Sometimes it’s unavoidable, I had family up and they were begging to go out. I also think this past weekend the docks were so busy because of the high winds, many took short rides to destinations instead of cruising or anchoring up. Lake was not too crowded but the town docks were packed.


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I understand money talks but the season is so short and weekends so busy especially at all the town docks it just isn’t right for this boat to take up 2-3 spots for 3 days. I pulled up there about 1:00 Saturday and there were obviously no spots to be had and 5 boats in front of me and more coming in behind.


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Agreed. 99% of the issues we discuss on the lake revolve around people acting without concern for others.

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[ishoot308]

Does anybody here know for a fact that he did not have permission or maybe even a paid for a permit to stay there? Does anybody here know he didn't have motor or other troubles that caused his extended stay?? (You can't exactly tow a boat that size safely.) or is this all hearsay and conjecture to chastise a man who has a little money and a nice boat??....

Just wondering...

Dan

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Does anybody here know he didn't have motor or other troubles that caused his extended stay?? (You can't exactly tow a boat that size safely.)

Why can't one safely tow a boat that size?

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Why can't one safely tow a boat that size?

Let me just say this Dave...If that was my boat and it was broken down, I certainly would not want anyone attempting to tow me and somehow try and dock me through a maze of boats at my home marina. It would be much simpler and safer to ask the town for permission or accept the daily tickets and have a qualified mechanic come to the vessel for repairs.

Dan

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Let me just say this Dave...If that was my boat and it was broken down, I certainly would not want anyone attempting to tow me and somehow try and dock me through a maze of boats at my home marina. It would be much simpler and safer to ask the town for permission or accept the daily tickets and have a qualified mechanic come to the vessel for repairs.

Dan

Hmmm, that makes sense. I assumed it was docked at a house, not a marina.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Hmmm, that makes sense. I assumed it was docked at a house, not a marina.

Maybe it is docked at his house, I don't know...but I can tell you that I guarantee that Seatow ot Towboat US or whoever else does towing on the lake has NEVER towed a 56' boat to someones dock...and at 1.5 million, mine certainly would not be the first especially in 25 MPH winds that were experienced all weekend!

Dan

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Hmmm, that makes sense. I assumed it was docked at a house, not a marina.

It is docked at Silver Sands Marina.

[garysanfran]

I was watching boats docking at The Weirs last weekend and am curious...Hardly anyone docks on the inside, always on the outside at the docks end so as to not get "locked in". If you do dock on the inside and get locked-in, what is the proper etiquette if you want to leave? Do you just sit and wait for the outside boat owner to return? Do you move someone else's boat? Or do you do what I do and just stay away? Touching someone else's boat is not something I would ever do.

[Phantom]

Rule #1 -- NEVER touch someone else's boat, unless you are assisting them.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I was watching boats docking at The Weirs last weekend and am curious...Hardly anyone docks on the inside, always on the outside at the docks end so as to not get "locked in". If you do dock on the inside and get locked-in, what is the proper etiquette if you want to leave? Do you just sit and wait for the outside boat owner to return? Do you move someone else's boat? Or do you do what I do and just stay away? Touching someone else's boat is not something I would ever do.

You sited all the reasons why no one uses the inside slip, no one wants to be locked in and no one wants to nor should they touch another’s boat


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[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Why can't one safely tow a boat that size?

With the size of that boat and the crazy wind we had this weekend it would be foolish to try.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by codeman671

With the size of that boat and the crazy wind we had this weekend it would be foolish to try.

I was backpacking in the Catskills all weekend, did not know about the wind on Winni. Makes sense.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Does anybody here know for a fact that he did not have permission or maybe even a paid for a permit to stay there? Does anybody here know he didn't have motor or other troubles that caused his extended stay?? (You can't exactly tow a boat that size safely.) or is this all hearsay and conjecture to chastise a man who has a little money and a nice boat??....

Just wondering...

Dan

Someone had said "he was attending a 3 day event" there...I assume they had inside information to make that statement?

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Someone had said "he was attending a 3 day event" there...I assume they had inside information to make that statement?

Could be but he also could of had a permit or permission from the town to do so the same way large barges and other work boats get permits to use town docks...

Dan

[JADAQ]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Someone had said "he was attending a 3 day event" there...I assume they had inside information to make that statement?

My son was at a business conference with him at church landing. Started Sunday ending Tuesday.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by JADAQ

My son was at a business conference with him at church landing. Started Sunday ending Tuesday.

A 3-day event doesn't explain the boat being there for that duration, unless it was being used for entertainment in conjunction with the event, or something like that.

You can't (legally) sleep on it at the town docks, and it's not like Church Landing is a long commute from GI. So, he was either going home at night, or staying at the hotel, I would presume.