Bill Gates said " it will be"

[chasedawg]

Back in 2015 Bill Gates made several presentations as to what was to come and we are not prepared. Here is his 8 minute talk.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-g...ted-talk-2015/.

[JEEPONLY]

Pretty incredible!- Thank you.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

Pretty incredible!- Thank you.

This is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared. Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first

[Hillcountry]

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

He's given away over $30 billion

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Garcia

He's given away over $30 billion

Well, that’s a blanket statement! Do you mean he has “given away” billions to help the USA be better prepared for his “viral” prediction?

All billionaires give away money to charities for tax relief...

[rsmlp]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Well, that’s a blanket statement! Do you mean he has “given away” billions to help the USA be better prepared for his “viral” prediction?

All billionaires give away money to charities for tax relief...

What a completely ignorant thing to write. How much "tax relief" do you think billionaires need? Not Billions!

[Flylady]

He also met with Trump in NYC before inauguration to discuss pandemic issues he was concerned with and what work the foundation had done in working with the prior two flu waves. Look up his review of that meeting.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

What a completely ignorant thing to write. How much "tax relief" do you think billionaires need? Not Billions!

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Seriously. It might be time to read up on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Giving away $45 billion dollars (not millions) is a lot of money. Taxes is the last thing that Bill Gates has to worry about.

But please read up on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

The foundation does have a Mission Statement.
With a mission statement - that is what the foundation does.

The foundation Mission Statement will state what the foundation does and what it does not do.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Some billionaires do try and hide money. I think Bill Gates isn't one of them.

[debbyi64]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Some billionaires do try and hide money. I think Bill Gates isn't one of them.

Unlike Mr. Trump


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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by debbyi64

Unlike Mr. Trump


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Still your President! Unlike Mr. Obama

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Still your President! Unlike Mr. Obama

At least he Obama released his tax returns as all others presidents in the past have.

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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Biggd

At least he Obama released his tax returns as all others presidents in the past have.

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Lol...still triggered after all these years...
I, for one don’t care if anyone ever “releases” their tax returns. Businessmen and politicians alike would love to keep their dirty laundry hidden for a myriad of reasons. Can’t blame them.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Biggd

At least he Obama released his tax returns as all others presidents in the past have.

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Who cares? If he took every legal deduction and jumped through hoops to pay the minimum amount of taxes he could wouldn't that make him smarter than most people? The only reason people get hung up on Trumps tax returns from a few years ago is hoping to find something that they can point to as another reason to dislike him.

I really don't care what has happened in the past, I am only concerned that the office holder have the ability to get things done that improve the country.

The Federal Government is a huge, complex, thing to run. I would rather have someone who has experience running something complex with multiple divisions and millions of employees than a smooth talking politician who has never run anything, even a Kool Aid stand.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Wait... where are you taking this thread... The theme of the video was to imply and correctly so... Wake up America you are about to get slammed with a virus that will kill thousands. You are not prepared.

Who should have listened to this warning? I don't care what political party. The message was wake up it is coming at you. Be forewarned. But no one believed this could happen.

Listen to the video again....TED is the organization sponsor. Why did this fall by the way side. No one or organization promote that this could happen. But it did!

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Investment professional here--so I trust this will not be ignorant:

First when you "hide...legally"--by definition, that is not hiding anything. It is taking advantage of tax laws to pay less. (sone of these techniques are reasonable, some are not)

Second, are more importantly, this idea of donating to charity for "tax relief" is completely wrong. If a person donates, say, $30 billion, their "tax relief" is some fraction of that amount. The calculation depends on a whole bunch of things, but we could call it 25% as a rough guess. So our donor gives the charity $30 billion, and he gets a tax deduction of $7.5 billion--he is still $22.5 billion out of pocket. Pretty damn generous if you ask me, and only a person ignorant of the tax law would suggest his donation is in order to get something from the IRS.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Investment professional here--so I trust this will not be ignorant:

First when you "hide...legally"--by definition, that is not hiding anything. It is taking advantage of tax laws to pay less. (sone of these techniques are reasonable, some are not)

Second, are more importantly, this idea of donating to charity for "tax relief" is completely wrong. If a person donates, say, $30 billion, their "tax relief" is some fraction of that amount. The calculation depends on a whole bunch of things, but we could call it 25% as a rough guess. So our donor gives the charity $30 billion, and he gets a tax deduction of $7.5 billion--he is still $22.5 billion out of pocket. Pretty damn generous if you ask me, and only a person ignorant of the tax law would suggest his donation is in order to get something from the IRS.

Thank you for the tax lesson!
I’m sure a large segment of the population obeys laws and do not attempt to evade taxes. There is however, a percentage that do knowingly, evade taxes and I believe these are the ones with all the $$ and lawyers.
“The rich get richer”

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Thank you for the tax lesson!
I’m sure a large segment of the population obeys laws and do not attempt to evade taxes. There is however, a percentage that do knowingly, evade taxes and I believe these are the ones with all the $$ and lawyers.
“The rich get richer”

I agree. The tax dodges by some wealthy people and corporations are outrageous. When companies have gigantic departments dedicated to figuring out how to reduce tax liabilities, something's really messed up

[jeffk]

It's not only do you believe the warning, it's do you believe the scale of the warning.

Given we know of many such pandemics, it's ignorant not to know others WILL happen. What we don't know is the scale. It's also easy to generate computer models that show 10s of millions dead. That's not impossible but unlikely.

I could also provide "proof" that global warming will devastate the planet. There is a super volcano under Yellowstone that could destroy large areas and create a global winter from ash in the atmosphere. There is the possibility that an enormous asteroid could destroy the planet or do catastrophic damage. We have had storms that destroyed regions of the Country many years ago that we haven't recovered from and more WILL come.

All these threats, and others, are "real" and we could spend all our time and assets preparing for them because that is what it would take to be "ready". Even being ready doesn't mean that we could stop any of them, just mitigate to some degree. Further, we will probably never see the events to the extreme of the scale.

Meanwhile, life would become drudgery working and waiting for disaster.

That's not to say we should do nothing. Bad viruses come along somewhat frequently. Governments had recently decided to stockpile some medical supplies but decided it was too expensive and sold them off or let them rot to the point of being unusable. That was probably not too wise. Maybe they should be cycling supplies through storage to keep them fresh and determining how to maintain ventilators more economically. There would be some cost to that. Maybe it is worth it. Maybe instead of doing things like this behind the scenes it should be a more public discussion. Not a panicked discussion with tales of woe but a realistic balance of cost vs. benefit and better ways to do things.

Will we ever be prepared for an asteroid strike, even though people regularly encourage us to be? I doubt it and I doubt we should. We could continue to watch for dangerous sky objects and consider how they might be deflected. But if you are a car stuck on the train tracks, how do you "prepare" for being hit by a locomotive? And how likely is it to happen?

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by jeffk

It's not only do you believe the warning, it's do you believe the scale of the warning.

Given we know of many such pandemics, it's ignorant not to know others WILL happen. What we don't know is the scale. It's also easy to generate computer models that show 10s of millions dead. That's not impossible but unlikely.

I could also provide "proof" that global warming will devastate the planet. There is a super volcano under Yellowstone that could destroy large areas and create a global winter from ash in the atmosphere. There is the possibility that an enormous asteroid could destroy the planet or do catastrophic damage. We have had storms that destroyed regions of the Country many years ago that we haven't recovered from and more WILL come.

All these threats, and others, are "real" and we could spend all our time and assets preparing for them because that is what it would take to be "ready". Even being ready doesn't mean that we could stop any of them, just mitigate to some degree. Further, we will probably never see the events to the extreme of the scale.

Meanwhile, life would become drudgery working and waiting for disaster.

That's not to say we should do nothing. Bad viruses come along somewhat frequently. Governments had recently decided to stockpile some medical supplies but decided it was too expensive and sold them off or let them rot to the point of being unusable. That was probably not too wise. Maybe they should be cycling supplies through storage to keep them fresh and determining how to maintain ventilators more economically. There would be some cost to that. Maybe it is worth it. Maybe instead of doing things like this behind the scenes it should be a more public discussion. Not a panicked discussion with tales of woe but a realistic balance of cost vs. benefit and better ways to do things.

Will we ever be prepared for an asteroid strike, even though people regularly encourage us to be? I doubt it and I doubt we should. We could continue to watch for dangerous sky objects and consider how they might be deflected. But if you are a car stuck on the train tracks, how do you "prepare" for being hit by a locomotive? And how likely is it to happen?

Thank you for typing out my thoughts. There is no way to be prepared for every possible threat we face. I do believe we can be better prepared to react.

[cessnaair]

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by cessnaair

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

In addition to cooking the books, they cooked jobs, businesses, livelihoods and mental stability. The repercussions of this crafty “cooking” will be overwhelming beyond belief.

[Biggd]

And here come the "I told you so's". That just proves that what we are doing is working.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Biggd

And here come the "I told you so's". That just proves that what we are doing is working.

The "Trump is an idiot I told you so" people have been on this forum telling their story for weeks, now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

The "Trump is an idiot I told you so" people have been on this forum telling their story for weeks, now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn.

I don't believe that I've posted Trump is an idiot. I'm pretty sure all of my Trump posts on this have revolved around him being too slow to act, but then recognizing the problem and instituting reasonably good general policies which are now having the effect that we all hoped of reducing the infection rate from what it would have been. So, to your point--yes--we told you so.

But back to my original question--please let us know if you agree with the President's current covid policies, or if you think he has been made a fool of by the experts.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by cessnaair

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

Are you saying that our President is a fool?

[cessnaair]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Are you saying that our President is a fool?

How would you think that from what I said? Either he was given false models or this virus is a bust, he and his team responded with info given, can’t have it both ways

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by cessnaair

How would you think that from what I said? Either he was given false models or this virus is a bust, he and his team responded with info given, can’t have it both ways

It's the President's (any President or executive, not just Trump) job to make the right decisions in the midst of good info and bad--that's how we judge our leaders. We look back at the Depression, and we say Hoover was a fool, and FDR was brilliant. We applaud Lincoln for saying to his cabinet (something like) "well it's 12 votes to 1, and the 1 has it..."

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It's the President's (any President or executive, not just Trump) job to make the right decisions in the midst of good info and bad--that's how we judge our leaders. We look back at the Depression, and we say Hoover was a fool, and FDR was brilliant. We applaud Lincoln for saying to his cabinet (something like) "well it's 12 votes to 1, and the 1 has it..."

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

Your meaning is well expressed, and taken.

I would suggest that the President's job, however, is to make the BEST DECISION (not RIGHT DECISION he/she can make) based on...

Also- Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Some called it treasonous. This, too, was/is historic in scope. Considering the times, was this the RIGHT/BEST DECISION? Was he a fool?

[AB_Monterey]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

Yeah, actually the governors shut down the states.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

Really... a talking head. He tried to alert our government. No one listened. And here we are five years later.... thousands dying every day. But no one listened. Probably because he is a billionaire and is promoting his theory to his benefit. What went wrong here? This should not have happened. Did his message not get heard?

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

Really... a talking head. He tried to alert our government. No one listened. And here we are five years later.... thousands dying every day. But no one listened. Probably because he is a billionaire and is promoting his theory to his benefit. What went wrong here? This should not have happened. Did his message not get heard?

Hmmm... and exactly whom was large and in charge of our country then? I guess hope and change “trumped” gates’ dire predictions...

[Glendale Deli Boy]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

This is lame. At least take a few seconds to educate yourself before posting such a silly attack against a guy who has donated upwards of 30 billion dollars to good causes all over the world. A talking head? Makes zero sense if you have the slightest clue as to what this guy has been doing with his billions over the last many years.

Sure, all are entitled to opinions but don’t just drag down the discourse of this forum with this drivel. You can do better.

[Lakegeezer]

We tend to ignore warnings. On a personal level, many ignore the warnings about smoking, overeating, lack of exercise and the list could go on. As a collective, warnings about big things, like earthquakes, stock markets and pandemics. The attitude seems to be "deal with it if and when it comes". Will we change? Probably not.

Many are warning about the impact of climate change, yet at the personal and collective levels, most plan to deal with it if and when it comes. If climate predictions come true, we'll be posting videos of famous people crying out the warning from as far back as the 1970's, wondering why nobody did anything about it. That's the way we are.

The world didn't prepare for a pandemic. We saved a lot of money that way. But, here it is, so now we have to deal with it. It would have been a lot cheaper to prepare for it, but who knew?

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

We tend to ignore warnings. On a personal level, many ignore the warnings about smoking, overeating, lack of exercise and the list could go on. As a collective, warnings about big things, like earthquakes, stock markets and pandemics. The attitude seems to be "deal with it if and when it comes". Will we change? Probably not.

Many are warning about the impact of climate change, yet at the personal and collective levels, most plan to deal with it if and when it comes. If climate predictions come true, we'll be posting videos of famous people crying out the warning from as far back as the 1970's, wondering why nobody did anything about it. That's the way we are.

The world didn't prepare for a pandemic. We saved a lot of money that way. But, here it is, so now we have to deal with it. It would have been a lot cheaper to prepare for it, but who knew?

While there is truth in what you say, it simply proves the fact that there are two sides to every coin.

Consider:
-The Gates video still makes Trump's statement of the virus being unpredictable sound foolish.
-What if heeding the prediction was the coin side chosen?

[gravy boat]

Agree. So let's say the "Big One" comes in the next month - perhaps the Cascadian subduction zone ( a magnitude 9.0 event happened in 1700) or one of the numerous faults through CA. Are we prepared? How do you prepare for something that may or may not happen in your lifetime - with absolutely no firm data indicating the date or severity? Yes, pandemics and natural disasters happen - but predicting and preparing for all of them is the challenge.

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

We tend to ignore warnings. On a personal level, many ignore the warnings about smoking, overeating, lack of exercise and the list could go on. As a collective, warnings about big things, like earthquakes, stock markets and pandemics. The attitude seems to be "deal with it if and when it comes". Will we change? Probably not.

Many are warning about the impact of climate change, yet at the personal and collective levels, most plan to deal with it if and when it comes. If climate predictions come true, we'll be posting videos of famous people crying out the warning from as far back as the 1970's, wondering why nobody did anything about it. That's the way we are.

The world didn't prepare for a pandemic. We saved a lot of money that way. But, here it is, so now we have to deal with it. It would have been a lot cheaper to prepare for it, but who knew?

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Glendale Deli Boy

This is lame. At least take a few seconds to educate yourself before posting such a silly attack against a guy who has donated upwards of 30 billion dollars to good causes all over the world. A talking head? Makes zero sense if you have the slightest clue as to what this guy has been doing with his billions over the last many years.

Sure, all are entitled to opinions but don’t just drag down the discourse of this forum with this drivel. You can do better.

Sorry...I can't swallow the "grape juice" of the world of billionaire "foundations"
Drink up, sheeple!

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

This is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared. Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first

Watching the news tonight Trump said- No one saw this coming-no one could have predicted this! Isn't this why high-profile people have a bank of researchers?

Made me think of this thread.

[Paugus Bay Resident]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

Watching the news tonight Trump said- No one saw this coming-no one could have predicted this! Isn't this why high-profile people have a bank of researchers?

George Bush did in 2005, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spcj6KUr4aA

[Lakegeezer]

Trevor Noah of The Daily Show did a 22 minute interview Bill Gates on April 2. The YouTube recording is here https://youtu.be/iyFT8qXcOrM The topic of his prediction comes up almost right away.

The interview gave me good insight about what has to be done, how long it will take and what things will be like till then. Gates goes into the nuances of the problem, not just the sound bites or the same old stuff we've been hearing for a month. A few points that I took from the interview.....

There isn't a choice between lives and the economy. Regulations or not, as of now, 80% of people will choose to not mingle. The other 20% can't support the economy.

If we went back to normal (imagine concerts and sporting events), the virus would go back to doubling every 3 days.

People won't be fully comfortable until after vaccines are available. Global comfort will require global distribution. Gates predicts this will start in 12-18 months and finish within a few years. I hope his models are conservative.

Test results within 24 hours, is key to starting back towards normal. This will prevent exponential growth. There is a lot of work being done here and results should be accelerating by early summer. Crowded events will still not be common.

Most governments don't know or aren't efficient enough to ramp up the testing and vaccine manufacturing process quickly, which is why the Gates foundation stepped in to hasten the bootstrap. Gates believes that government funding will ramp up vaccine volume once the right tests and drugs are proven. He mentions that a few billion invested to save a trillion is worth it. His laugh is priceless as he explains that a trillion is 1000 billion.

Masks will likely be commonplace, once manufacturing catches up.

Some countries, especially third world, will be shunned until they make it through the process of distributing the vaccine (where 1-3% of the population will still catch it) or herd immunity (60-80% need to catch it).

For me, the nuances and Gates' deep experience is what makes this interview worth watching. He's a rich guy with a passion about epidemics and global health in general. While Bill Gates had my ire while he was a ruthless business person at Microsoft, I have a lot of respect and trust in what he is doing now.

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

Trevor Noah of The Daily Show did a 22 minute interview Bill Gates on April 2. The YouTube recording is here https://youtu.be/iyFT8qXcOrM The topic of his prediction comes up almost right away.

The interview gave me good insight about what has to be done, how long it will take and what things will be like till then. Gates goes into the nuances of the problem, not just the sound bites or the same old stuff we've been hearing for a month. A few points that I took from the interview.....

There isn't a choice between lives and the economy. Regulations or not, as of now, 80% of people will choose to not mingle. The other 20% can't support the economy.

If we went back to normal (imagine concerts and sporting events), the virus would go back to doubling every 3 days.

People won't be fully comfortable until after vaccines are available. Global comfort will require global distribution. Gates predicts this will start in 12-18 months and finish within a few years. I hope his models are conservative.

Test results within 24 hours, is key to starting back towards normal. This will prevent exponential growth. There is a lot of work being done here and results should be accelerating by early summer. Crowded events will still not be common.

Most governments don't know or aren't efficient enough to ramp up the testing and vaccine manufacturing process quickly, which is why the Gates foundation stepped in to hasten the bootstrap. Gates believes that government funding will ramp up vaccine volume once the right tests and drugs are proven. He mentions that a few billion invested to save a trillion is worth it. His laugh is priceless as he explains that a trillion is 1000 billion.

Masks will likely be commonplace, once manufacturing catches up.

Some countries, especially third world, will be shunned until they make it through the process of distributing the vaccine (where 1-3% of the population will still catch it) or herd immunity (60-80% need to catch it).

For me, the nuances and Gates' deep experience is what makes this interview worth watching. He's a rich guy with a passion about epidemics and global health in general. While Bill Gates had my ire while he was a ruthless business person at Microsoft, I have a lot of respect and trust in what he is doing now.

Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's
I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's. I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet

I'd quoted this Army doctor earlier under this topic's single Poll--by Lake Geezer, IIRC.

The doctor's back again today--with THIS:

"I had never heard of this “Gain of Function” research but add that to “escaped from containment” and suddenly the entire thing becomes clear. This virus in NOT from Nature. It is a manipulated “Gain of Function” virus. Not found in nature. Which is why it is quantum levels above contagiousness and lethality over “wild Coronavirus” which, as my old text books said, “not felt to represent significant clinical disease.”

My reading about “Gain of Function” Research has pretty well convinced me this is a manipulated virus. Perhaps not an “engineered bioweapon” but a “Super Bug” created as a research tool. A tool realized to be SO dangerous we had a moratorium on research with it here from 2016 until 2019. Research that curiously now we discover to be funded by Bill Gates and George Soros (and the nIH, of course).

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

I'd quoted this Army doctor earlier under this topic's single Poll--by Lake Geezer, IIRC.

The doctor's back again today--with THIS:

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stUZ5Ehfo28

[ApS]

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when?

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:

"It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it. Coronaviruses usually can’t cause “significant human disease”. Since this is a “Gain of Function” Super Bug made in a lab now it’s in the wild it is already attenuating. It sounds like the CFR in January in China was a lot higher than 5%. So at 1 generation a day in about 100 generations it has already lost a lot of it’s “punch”. It “might” keep attenuating right down to the usual “native” lethality of Coronavirus which is “wimp”. IOW this may be why they felt they could “play” with this bug, it’s a wimp. Who knows? Another 100 generations and the CFR could be half what it is now. And again as much in another 100 generations. It ain’t the “world killer” but it is one hell of a wake up".

He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when?


The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:



He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

Have to agree. Or maybe joking.

Reminds of the skit where John Cleese is attempting to get a fishing license for his pet fish named Eric.

"I am not a Loonie".

FISHING LICENSE

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Impossible, can't be done by a semi-truck.

You might be thinking of the original so-called "cannonball run."

Brock Yates and Dan Gurney drove a Ferrari Daytona coupe cross country

in a hair less than 36 hours.

They averaged 80 miles per hour and, on one deserted stretch, reached a top

speed of 172 miles per hour.

They made it from Manhattan to Redondo Beach, Calif., in 35 hours and 54 minutes.

Thanks to the this year's virus and empty roadways, the record is now just 25 hours.

("Unofficial").

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

Since nothing specific was part of the above question, I suspect this paragraph is in contention for "drivel"?

"Perhaps not an “engineered bioweapon” but a “Super Bug” created as a research tool. A tool realized to be SO dangerous we had a moratorium on research with it here from 2016 until 2019. Research that curiously now we discover to be funded by Bill Gates and George Soros (and the nIH, of course)".

I'd already opined (earlier) that the U.S. taxpayer had a part in developing the COVID-19 virus. Now it's seen that as fact.

So—which part is "drivel"?

[Biggd]

ApS is giving FLL a run for his money!

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by Biggd

ApS is giving FLL a run for his money!

Dare I say that's embarrassing to FLL!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

New York Times: Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/...stein-meetings

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by ApS

New York Times: Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/...stein-meetings

From Flying Scott- As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

Someone tells someone else that I know you (even though only through this forum), which I don't.

If/when it got published (by you?), will/should I be shunned?

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by ApS

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when?

The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:

He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

What... what are you trying to say to help people with this confusing message?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

What... what are you trying to say to help people with this confusing message?

CONTEXT?

Noticed member Flying Scot has opted-out from the opinion of a U.S. Army doctor?

Start over at post #64 -- skip the noise about crossing the continent at high speed.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

CONTEXT?

Noticed member Flying Scot has opted-out from the opinion of a U.S. Army doctor?

Start over at post #64 -- skip the noise about crossing the continent at high speed.

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that.

But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example.

On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor. You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army.

Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that. But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example. On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor.
You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army. Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

The discussions have been long and (after a fashion) peer-reviewed by several others at the same forum. This particular quote does not involve [Retired Army doctor], but it includes a salute to his knowledge located at many other threads, plus attempting to educate thousands at this forum who are not inclined towards medicine.

Now that I think of it, the forum is mostly US military men and women who speak of China as our existential enemy. (Just as I do).

Since I am not a medical clinician, perhaps others here can confirm the validity of the text below. (Which is tiny portion of the hundreds of COVID-19 threads going on there).

My comments are [bracketed], and there were a few typos which I've corrected:

"For some time now, one of our dear friends and heroes here, [Retired Army doctor], a retired clinician, has been mocking the idea of zinc ionophores, which he calls “zinc pores” and likening the idea to homeopathic quackery. This does not bother me in the slightest and I only hope to get at the truth.

He has made an argument that he thinks is conclusive which I might summarize as “because homeostasis.” “Go read up on zinc homeostasis!” Also in one of his comments he gives a brief summary of evidence of zinc homeostasis in the body. There is of course no doubt about the phenomenon. In fact he might have pointed out that the mechanism we are describing requires an amount of labile zinc the amount of which, in interstitial tissues, is effectively NONE!

I figure he knows something I do not know about this, so I have been all around researching. I have included reading about cancer research including using pyrithione as ionophore since all of that work would also be obviated by the “because homeostasis” argument. Wei-Qun Ding and Stuart Ling in a paper from November 2009 imagine a whole new class of anti-cancer drugs.

I have really enjoyed my study and was delighted to find hope regarding what I considered to be the two real problems in this work, namely how do you target only the compromised cells, and how do you get the effect you want without killing all the cells. At Leiden University in 2010, Snijder and van Hemert got the effect on many viruses including nidoviruses like SARS-CoV without cytotoxicity!

There is a lot of interest in zinc as in some situations and cells it signals apoptosis [cell death] and in others it stops it. You can turn it on and off depending on what you put with it, crucial in dealing with cancer cells. (They are a long way from this being practical.) But I cannot find anyone who thinks that it is impossible to get free Zn++’s to the site “because homeostasis.” There is talk about nitric oxide dramatically increasing the levels of reactive zinc intracellularly. They used zinc hydroxide and zinc acetate always assuming that the Zn++ had to be provided with the ionophore.

Zinc Homeostasis would be the reason zinc must be provided if our theory of therapeutic effect is at all reasonable.

Please tell me where I am going wrong. Also everyone please understand that I consider [Retired Army doctor] to be among the finest friends on this forum, a hero, a patriot, an example to us all for whom I have the deepest respect though I have never met him personally."

It was at this same site that I found the "Copy and Carry This Proven Procedure" Winni thread-starter.

I sent that link to a neighbor, a doctor. She replied, as below:

[Top-Water]

Time to kill this thread , its turned into nonsense.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Time to kill this thread , its turned into nonsense.

This should not continue.. I just posted yesterday about this negative attitude or just comments that don't help the casue to help the situation we all are in. Please stop! Yes I can stop reading these posts. and I have. Why is it necessary for a few just to keep beatinf a negative drummer.

Come on folks........People need uplifing. Let's all pull together!!

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

This should not continue.. I just posted yesterday about this negative attitude or just comments that don't help the casue to help the situation we all are in. Please stop! Yes I can stop reading these posts. and I have. Why is it necessary for a few just to keep beatinf a negative drummer.

Come on folks........People need uplifing. Let's all pull together!!

I started this thread...and unfortnutely it has gone totally off the tracks and into
nonsense.
Time to make common sense and help bring uplifting comments.

[Top-Water]

You can see by the recent posted images there is a lot of anger here. The thread started out ok ....... but its so far off track now it can not be saved.

I do not want to elaborate beyond this.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by ApS

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that.

A highly contagious virus, expected to kill thousands of Americans, can't be expected to result in many smiley-faced responses.

But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example.

Look up Merkel/Stasi for yourself, but knowing German helps comprehension. Or try "Images" to get the drift from the EU and the UK.

On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor. You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army.

But if this Army physician's opinion appears later in a "Bubble" publication, it'd be all right? Since when can't we use logic and reason to evaluate what we encounter on the Internet? Let youthful and foreign PC "journalists" decide for us?

Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

I know "'Dr.' Phil" from brief segments, but my Trinitron TV has been stored in the attic for 20 years. I wouldn't pit a PhD. against an M.D. on any occasion.

What would be "dangerous" would be to have Michelle or Oprah in the line of Presidential succession. (In discussions presently, and with millions from the Coronavirus Stimulus sent to open a PBS show).

OK... this is enoug APS many have had enough...you posts are very confusing. time to shut down and out!

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

OK... this is enoug APS many have had enough...your posts are very confusing. time to shut down and out!

As already mentioned ........

[Lakegeezer]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's. I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet

While I wasn't familiar with Gates' position on GMO's, its worth a look. Not a black and white issue, but not supported by a premise based on his position on depopulation.

The negative interpretation of Gates' depopulation comment is one that appears to originate from unscrupulous reporting. Snopes rates that position as false. According to Snopes, the malicious spin was reported by NewsPunch, a conspiracy rag, and spread like a virus from there. As usual, nuances matter. Depopulation can be the result of many things, including famine, war, disease or choice. Choice is good, right? Freedom and all that! Gates meant choice. Vaccines, along with a stable food supply, leads to lower child mortality, which leads people to choose to have fewer "spare" children. Voila, gradual depopulation. The article falsely said that Gates wants to kill 350,000 people per day, leading many to associate Gates with the bad ways the world might depopulate.

As with many conspiracy theories, there is a grain of truth that mutates into clickbait fallacies. Insidious, but all too common.

There will be wariness about Covid-19 vaccines, especially in the first year or two. Everyone will have to weigh the risks, including their age and medical conditions, along with how prevalent the virus is once the vaccines are available.

Since all postings here should have a lakes region spin, let's look at the impact of depopulation on our area. Build-out analysis, looking 50 years out, implies that the lake water quality and rural character cannot be sustained. Something has to give. Many parts of the world are having similar problems. Long term, population growth does not appear to be sustainable. Reducing growth by choice, rather than by war, depression and disease is an attractive alternative.

[jeffk]

Bill Gates is also behind pushing Common Core education. I won't debate the merits of the ideas but I will say the implementation of it has been a ineffective mess. My wife is a teacher and they are still struggling as to WHAT exactly Common Core is and HOW it can be implemented.

You might say that is due to the politicians and bureaucrats but when you drop transformative concepts onto society, you have some responsibility to provide an instruction manual and at least beta test your concepts.

Gates is polished, good at selling himself, and convincing but his "vision" isn't always on track and his "products" don't always work as designed.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by jeffk

Bill Gates is also behind pushing Common Core education. I won't debate the merits of the ideas but I will say the implementation of it has been a ineffective mess. My wife is a teacher and they are still struggling as to WHAT exactly Common Core is and HOW it can be implemented.

You might say that is due to the politicians and bureaucrats but when you drop transformative concepts onto society, you have some responsibility to provide an instruction manual and at least beta test your concepts.

Gates is polished, good at selling himself, and convincing but his "vision" isn't always on track and his "products" don't always work as designed.

Nailed it.
The problem with Common Core is that it was built from the top down, which appears to be Gates' MO. I mean, doesn't that explain every terrible user experience on Microsoft platforms? Anyone remember Millennium Edition?!

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[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by jeffk

Bill Gates is also behind pushing Common Core education. I won't debate the merits of the ideas but I will say the implementation of it has been a ineffective mess. My wife is a teacher and they are still struggling as to WHAT exactly Common Core is and HOW it can be implemented.

You might say that is due to the politicians and bureaucrats but when you drop transformative concepts onto society, you have some responsibility to provide an instruction manual and at least beta test your concepts.

Gates is polished, good at selling himself, and convincing but his "vision" isn't always on track and his "products" don't always work as designed.

And you're dissing Bill Gates because...?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

And you're dissing Bill Gates because...?

Agreed. Nobody's perfect (and Windows kind of sucks, haha). But he did enormous work for the revolution in computers, and he's dedicating billions to help solve some of our toughest problems.

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Agreed. Nobody's perfect (and Windows kind of sucks, haha). But he did enormous work for the revolution in computers, and he's dedicating billions to help solve some of our toughest problems.

I understand the concerns with Common Core- but the two "education" posts (respectfully noted from educator families) seem way off topic in this thread.

Maybe you computer more than I do, but Windows is comfortable for me!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

Watching the news tonight Trump said- No one saw this coming-no one could have predicted this! Isn't this why high-profile people have a bank of researchers? Made me think of this thread.

American taxpayers paid for it during a "scandal-free" administration:

"We applaud President Donald Trump for taking swift and decisive action to ensure that American taxpayers are not forced to pay for wasteful and treacherous animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,"
—https://pjmedia.com/trending/obamas-...s-stopping-it/

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

This is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared.
Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first.

It does make one think!

[birchhaven]

You can find people warning us about a lot of things as humans we tend to do nothing till it is in the now.

For example how many people think Nasa is a waste of money? Know how many times people have warned that eventually a giant rock is going to hit earth as a statical eventuality.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by birchhaven

For example how many people think Nasa is a waste of money? Know how many times people have warned that eventually a giant rock is going to hit earth as a statical eventuality.

You do realize NASA does much more than space exploration. They’re also involved with the development of the sensors placed on environmental satellites, as well as the launching of those satellites.


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[birchhaven]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

You do realize NASA does much more than space exploration. They’re also involved with the development of the sensors placed on environmental satellites, as well as the launching of those satellites.


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Yes, but that is not the point I am making. I am simply saying there are a million things we should be better prepared for but no one wants to spend the money or effort until the problem is in the here and now.

[gravy boat]

S

Originally Posted by chasedawg

This is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared. Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first

To date 105,525 deaths reported - Worldwide. Quite a way to go to get to millions.
To date 18,586 deaths in the United States.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

Back in 2015 Bill Gates made several presentations as to what was to come and we are not prepared. Here is his 8 minute talk.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-g...ted-talk-2015/.

Here are listed 20 books warning of pandemics:

https://www-vulture-com.cdn.ampproje...mic-books.html

What makes Bill Gates' recent revelations so special?

[bchbum]

Who knew his foundation would be infecting us. Wow

[ApS]

Originally Posted by bchbum

Who knew his foundation would be infecting us. Wow

Even worse.

The WHO panel that recommended against HCQ are majority-aligned with Remsenavir manufacturer Gilead.

https://defyccc.com/covid-19-panel-gilead-ties/

[Biggd]

I care,
he obviously has something to hide. If everything was legal and above board then he shouldn't care if they are made public.

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