**NEW Restaurant** Birch & Vine, Tuftonboro

[TheTimeTraveler]

A new restaurant will be opening in Melvin Village (Tuftonboro) on Friday, July 15 at 4:00 pm.

It will be called Birch & Vine and run by Patti (former Manager of O Bistro in Wolfeboro).

For those of you wondering where this is, the location used to be called "Pine Cone" and is located on Route 109 in Melvin Village.

I believe they have the only liquor pour license in Tuftonboro and I think they will be very successful in their new venture.

[thinkxingu]

I was wondering what was happening there—we passed by the other day, and there was no sign up.

Any idea what the menu will look like? The name implies higher-end, but I'm wondering if that area can sustain something like that.

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[Barbara]

Patti is amazing. This place is bound to be great.

[knowit]

Too bad they choose to take it upscale. The old Pine Cone was loved by so many locals. Now it's just another expensive restaurant just like all the others.
Rest in Peace Pine Cone. You will be sorely missed.

[chachee52]

is it walkable from the Town Docks? Not that I've actually docked over there, but I'm always looking for other locations to take the boat

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by chachee52

is it walkable from the Town Docks? Not that I've actually docked over there, but I'm always looking for other locations to take the boat

If you're talking about the docks at Lake Road, it's ~12 minutes or 3/4 mile walk.

I'm not sure how many available docks are here, though, or if there's a time limit.

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[tis]

Have you seen a menu, knowit?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

If you're talking about the docks at Lake Road, it's ~12 minutes or 3/4 mile walk.

I'm not sure how many available docks are here, though, or if there's a time limit.

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There is almost certainly dock space available. But even trickier than the long walk, much of it without a sidewalk on 109, would be Melvin Bay's many shallow areas that are not well marked. Do not try this at night

[sky's]

pine cone was great the way it was. great food and drinks. hope it doesnt get all stuffy

[Flotnjr]

Originally Posted by chachee52

is it walkable from the Town Docks? Not that I've actually docked over there, but I'm always looking for other locations to take the boat

They have a Facebook and Instagram account- pretty sure I read that they were going to offer a shuttle service from the town docks in Melvin Village (by the Church) and 19 Mile Bay town docks.

[marinewife]

It looks very nice inside, the decor is more upscale, lighter, etc. The food they served for their meet and greet was artfully done and completely different than Pine Cone Cafe menus.

I think it will be a successful place, as the new owner has her team from O'Bistro there and they work well together. Wish them well.

[chachee52]

Originally Posted by Flotnjr

They have a Facebook and Instagram account- pretty sure I read that they were going to offer a shuttle service from the town docks in Melvin Village (by the Church) and 19 Mile Bay town docks.

Shuttle service would be good. I can't say i have docked anywhere around Melvin Village but am always willing to find new places.
I am probably one of very few people that don't have Facebook or Instagram, so thank you for the info.

[tis]

It looks nice, but very few tables now? Maybe because of the outdoor dining? Or did they put tables in the store area?

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by Flotnjr

They have a Facebook and Instagram account- pretty sure I read that they were going to offer a shuttle service from the town docks in Melvin Village (by the Church) and 19 Mile Bay town docks.

Pretty sure those aren't town docks at the church...

[KPW]

Originally Posted by swnoel

Pretty sure those aren't town docks at the church...

Not 100 sure but pretty sure they are town docks.

[Knomad]

The ramp and wall are town property. The docks are private.

[Flotnjr]

Originally Posted by swnoel

Pretty sure those aren't town docks at the church...

My mistake for not clarifying- the wharf/wall at the church to the left of the launch ramp coming in by water. Correct- the docks are private.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by knowit

Too bad they choose to take it upscale. The old Pine Cone was loved by so many locals. Now it's just another expensive restaurant just like all the others.
Rest in Peace Pine Cone. You will be sorely missed.

I loved the Pine Cone, both the restaurant and the store, and I'm really sore they have closed the store. But we do not know that they have taken the restaurant upscale or that it will be less loved by locals. Plus, it's going to be a LONG winter for the new owners if they are not focused on locals in a place that gets no tourists. Nobody's driving past Wolfeboro or Moultonborough to get to dinner in T'boro...

Let's give the new guys a chance

[thinkxingu]

Honestly, that just looks like every other restaurant in the area now. I really loved how the Pine Cone was old-fashioned country-store NH as there aren't many places left like that.

*sigh*

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[Lake Fan]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Honestly, that just looks like every other restaurant in the area now. I really loved how the Pine Cone was old-fashioned country-store NH as there aren't many places left like that.

*sigh*

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The whole lakes region is rapidly becoming gentrified. I've spent some time in the Adirondacks and that region is dotted with small diners and family run "old-fashioned" restaurants, and still maintains a nice rural feel, geared toward outdoor recreation. Agreed...*sigh*...

[knowit]

It's really too bad she felt the need to go all fine dining and crap. This is NOT downtown Wolfeboro. A smart business owner would research their demographics and cater a restaurant to that. She has completely alienated all the folks that kept the Pine Cone as it was successful for 19 years.
Unfortunately this whole area is becoming the Lake Tahoe of the east.
PS I really liked O Bistro, but I would only go there couples times a year as it was pricey. I was at the Cone much more than that.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by knowit

It's really too bad she felt the need to go all fine dining and crap. This is NOT downtown Wolfeboro. A smart business owner would research their demographics and cater a restaurant to that. She has completely alienated all the folks that kept the Pine Cone as it was successful for 19 years.

Unfortunately this whole area is becoming the Lake Tahoe of the east.

PS I really liked O Bistro, but I would only go there couples times a year as it was pricey. I was at the Cone much more than that.

Though I lament the loss of the old-fashioned Pine Cone, I think it's far too early to condemn the new place.

Who knows, maybe she'll have fried mozzarella instead of mozzarella sticks, an Italian sampler instead of straight chicken parm, and bread pudding instead of a straight ice cream sundae? All that sounds delish to me!

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[phoenix]

Who cares . If the people who want to go to pine cone its gone. If you dont want to go fine. Its a business if it doesnt work she will close

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Honestly, that just looks like every other restaurant in the area now. I really loved how the Pine Cone was old-fashioned country-store NH as there aren't many places left like that.

*sigh*

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The Pine Cone was certainly embraced by the local community and they did a nice job. My only criticism was they NEVER changed the menu once in the nearly 20 years they were open. Hopefully, the new folks can add some menu variety and make the place attractive to tourists and locals alike.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by secondcurve

The Pine Cone was certainly embraced by the local community and they did a nice job. My only criticism was they NEVER changed the menu once in the nearly 20 years they were open. Hopefully, the new folks can add some menu variety and make the place attractive to tourists and locals alike.

There's a restaurant in Dracut, MA called Mama's. It's a simple red-sauce Italian place that opened up in 1989. Since then, they haven't changed the decor or menu a bit. I no longer live in town but drive the 35 minutes every couple months to hit it up...and bask in the glory of the same meatball sub Mom and I shared on my first day of high school.

Ditto with Mario's in Lexington, MA; the Olympia in Lowell; Benedetti's in Haverhill; etc.

I would KILL to have any of those places in town.

There's enough natural change to always have newness while keeping some places holy.

Obviously, if the Pine Cone was failing, it's a different equation.

Good luck to the new owners—we'll certainly give them a go—but *sigh*.

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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

There's a restaurant in Dracut, MA called Mama's. It's a simple red-sauce Italian place that opened up in 1989. Since then, they haven't changed the decor or menu a bit. I no longer live in town but drive the 35 minutes every couple months to hit it up...and bask in the glory of the same meatball sub Mom and I shared on my first day of high school.

Ditto with Mario's in Lexington, MA; the Olympia in Lowell; Benedetti's in Haverhill; etc.

I would KILL to have any of those places in town.

There's enough natural change to always have newness while keeping some places holy.

Obviously, if the Pine Cone was failing, it's a different equation.

Good luck to the new owners—we'll certainly give them a go—but *sigh*.

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Thanks, Think. Now I’m jonesing for Mario’s ravioli parm…and I’m hundreds of miles away.


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[Billy Bob]

The initial reviews are in and they are very good !
Great to see a new semi upscale restaurant with reasonable prices take over .
The previous business went under so obviously that business model no longer worked and it was time for a change.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

The previous business went under so obviously that business model no longer worked and it was time for a change.

I am pretty sure the previous owners decided to retire is the reason it was sold, someone correct me if that is incorrect.

[DLA]

Originally Posted by DEJ

I am pretty sure the previous owners decided to retire is the reason it was sold, someone correct me if that is incorrect.

You are correct, the Pine Cone Cafe did not go under and the business plan work quite well. The Pine View Lodge LLC owned the property which included the Restaurant, Gift Shop, Convenience Store as well as rental property.
It was sold to a local Investor who is leasing the Restaurant out.
The former owners have retired from the restaurant business after many successful years.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by DLA

You are correct, the Pine Cone Cafe did not go under and the business plan work quite well. The Pine View Lodge LLC owned the property which included the Restaurant, Gift Shop, Convenience Store as well as rental property.
It was sold to a local Investor who is leasing the Restaurant out.
The former owners have retired from the restaurant business after many successful years.

Thanks I hope Billy Bob will correct his post as the previous owners worked very hard for many years to have false info spread about their former business.

[FlyingScot]

My only complaint about the Pine Cone is that it was TOO successful! Regularly packed to the gills...45 minute wait for a table or a pizza to go...phone lines jammed...How is this possible in the middle of nowhere?

I'm excited to try the new place, but I don't think this should be some sort of competition or grudge match.

[WinterHarborGuy]

Not every restaurant that changes hands and reopens is the same, or even that close.

Good lord people (a few of you).

*she brought much of the same staff from O Bistro, so she has a loyal group of employees
*she had hundreds show up in the first few days, so she has many loyal customers
*the new place is upscale, yes, but it’s much like O Bistro price-wise
*did you ever go in the Pine Cone bathrooms? Did you want to eat after that?

Yeah, Pine Cone was fine for what it was, but come on.

New owner is a great lady and is an employer. Wish her well. I just got back from a great meal.

You want a cheaper meal, go elsewhere. This is a great place, based on what I saw tonight. I really don’t know her well, but she is a gem. Sheesh.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

Not every restaurant that changes hands and reopens is the same, or even that close.

Good lord people (a few of you).

*she brought much of the same staff from O Bistro, so she has a loyal group of employees
*she had hundreds show up in the first few days, so she has many loyal customers
*the new place is upscale, yes, but it’s much like O Bistro price-wise
*did you ever go in the Pine Cone bathrooms? Did you want to eat after that?

Yeah, Pine Cone was fine for what it was, but come on.

New owner is a great lady and is an employer. Wish her well. I just got back from a great meal.

You want a cheaper meal, go elsewhere. This is a great place, based on what I saw tonight. I really don’t know her well, but she is a gem. Sheesh.

What did you order? What made it a "great place"? Inquiring minds want to know!

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[XCR-700]

Is this planned to be a seasonal or year round operation?

Any menu available online??

If its a year round offering then I think there is an argument for the more basic predictable previous menu and prices.

If however its seasonal, then I think there is plenty of business in the "season" to keep anywhere open that offers good food and good service at almost any price.

Either way, its always worth a try when any restaurant comes under new management. You never know what gem you will find, and if you dont like it, you just do go back.

Personally I terribly miss the old Sandy Point weekend brunch or boat up and pick up burgers and eat on the water. Same for the very old Dots,,, And dont even get me started on the old Baileys Restaurants "gritty" hot fudge on its ice cream,,, Its was THE Best!

As much as many of us wish to chain ourselves to the past, its a loosing battle. And sometimes there are pleasant surprises with change. Not too often, but sometimes. ;-)

[WinterHarborGuy]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

What did you order? What made it a "great place"? Inquiring minds want to know!

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I had Sesame crusted ahi tuna. Came with a nice portion of jasmine rice (which was sticky rice…great!) It was really a tuna steak and it was cooked to perfection. Also had 2 Safe Space IPA’s. Wife also had the Tuna and had 2 glasses of wine. Bill was $84.

Sat at a 12 foot (?) high top which was a beautiful butternut wood rough cut board. A fabulous work of wooden art. Had a beautiful view down the hill of the lake as we ate. Server was Matt and he is fantastic and hilarious.

Bathrooms are pristine and the decor is bright and modern. Windows appear new. There was awnings on the front of the Pine Cone which obscured the view…they are gone.

We will be back for sure. It is not a seasonal place. No idea if the non-summer menu will change.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

I had Sesame crusted ahi tuna. Came with a nice portion of jasmine rice (which was sticky rice…great!) It was really a tuna steak and it was cooked to perfection. Also had 2 Safe Space IPA’s. Wife also had the Tuna and had 2 glasses of wine. Bill was $84.

Sat at a 12 foot (?) high top which was a beautiful butternut wood rough cut board. A fabulous work of wooden art. Had a beautiful view down the hill of the lake as we ate. Server was Matt and he is fantastic and hilarious.

Bathrooms are pristine and the decor is bright and modern. Windows appear new. There was awnings on the front of the Pine Cone which obscured the view…they are gone.

We will be back for sure. It is not a seasonal place. No idea if the non-summer menu will change.

$84 before tip, right?
Definitely a much different experience than the PC, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Let's hope others do as well—though it no longer sounds like a place I'll be visiting, I'm always rooting for mom-and-pops to thrive.

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[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

$84 before tip, right?
Definitely a much different experience than the PC, but I'm glad you enjoyed it. Let's hope others do as well—though it no longer sounds like a place I'll be visiting, I'm always rooting for mom-and-pops to thrive.

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Menu is now online at https://www.facebook.com/birchandvine.nh/menu

Its not a place I would regularly visit even if it were on the Walmart side.

Looks like it could be good for a special event/anniversary/etc meal, but its not in my price range for a regular pit stop. But I'm a working guy with 2 kids I'm still supporting for a while and not really a connoisseur of fine dining, so I guess Ill more likely be found at the Dockside/Sawyers/Pops/Gringos/Shibleys at the pier ;-)

That said, in season Im sure there are plenty of folks that wouldn't blink an eye at these prices, they are certainly not off the charts, just a tad more than I tend to do. Off season might be a bit slower, but again the area is evolving and I see lots of really expensive cars and boats and I suspect there will be enough business to keep them going.

Clearly the area is changing and this is but one of the tell tail signs of whats to come. There is no going back to the days of the past, where you got a good breakfast at Johns in Alton for really short money, or a blowout buffet at B-Mays for a very reasonable price, and something right in the middle at the Wolfeboro Inn Tarvern. Just watch all the private jets coming in and out of the Laconia airport and you will see the money pouring into the area. Its fun to sit at Sawyers and try to imagine what its like to have that kind of money, but still be able to enjoy your basic burger and coffee frappe at the picnic tables and know you were able to pay that bill and not worry about it ;-)

[secondcurve]

I went for dinner this evening with my wife to Birch and Vine. We entered the restaurant and the owner met us. She is extremely pleasant and the interior of the restaurant has been cleaned up and vastly improved. They have eliminated the dead space between the old restaurant and the store and added a dining area. It is a big improvement. We opted to eat outside which was nice. The sun was still intense because it was early but there were umbrellas to create shade. We were served by Casey who was very attentive and pleasant. There has definitely been a major upgrade in the service and attitude of the staff. I had a salad and ahi tuna. My wife had the calamari and salmon. We had a few drinks one of which was a nicely put together martini. The bill was about $116.00 pre tip. Certainly higher than the pine cone days but then again prices have skyrocketed everywhere, the service was light years ahead of the Pinecone and the food was in a different league. I enjoyed the Pine Cone but thought their food sucked to put it bluntly. I was disappointed to learn there isn’t a lunch any longer but I think that has to do with staffing issues that are prevalent in the industry more than anything else. This is a very good and well run restaurant and worth the higher prices. The challenge will be the winter months. Hopefully, they will be able to attract sufficient diners to make it work. Overall score 93.75%/100%.

[Bumble2249]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

Not every restaurant that changes hands and reopens is the same, or even that close.

Good lord people (a few of you).

*she brought much of the same staff from O Bistro, so she has a loyal group of employees
*she had hundreds show up in the first few days, so she has many loyal customers
*the new place is upscale, yes, but it’s much like O Bistro price-wise
*did you ever go in the Pine Cone bathrooms? Did you want to eat after that?

Yeah, Pine Cone was fine for what it was, but come on.

New owner is a great lady and is an employer. Wish her well. I just got back from a great meal.

You want a cheaper meal, go elsewhere. This is a great place, based on what I saw tonight. I really don’t know her well, but she is a gem. Sheesh.

! You meant to say that she STOLE the employees from "O" correct?


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[dmjr]

From what I have heard - Patti is not the owner, she leases the restaurant.

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

Not every restaurant that changes hands and reopens is the same, or even that close.

Good lord people (a few of you).

*she brought much of the same staff from O Bistro, so she has a loyal group of employees
*she had hundreds show up in the first few days, so she has many loyal customers
*the new place is upscale, yes, but it’s much like O Bistro price-wise
*did you ever go in the Pine Cone bathrooms? Did you want to eat after that?

Yeah, Pine Cone was fine for what it was, but come on.

New owner is a great lady and is an employer. Wish her well. I just got back from a great meal.

You want a cheaper meal, go elsewhere. This is a great place, based on what I saw tonight. I really don’t know her well, but she is a gem. Sheesh.

[Bumble2249]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

The initial reviews are in and they are very good !
Great to see a new semi upscale restaurant with reasonable prices take over .
The previous business went under so obviously that business model no longer worked and it was time for a change.

The previous owners did NOT go under! That's actually laughable.


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[Neko]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

A new restaurant will be opening in Melvin Village (Tuftonboro) on Friday, July 15 at 4:00 pm.

It will be called Birch & Vine and run by Patti (former Manager of O Bistro in Wolfeboro).

For those of you wondering where this is, the location used to be called "Pine Cone" and is located on Route 109 in Melvin Village.

I believe they have the only liquor pour license in Tuftonboro and I think they will be very successful in their new venture.

I hope John, the the weekend bar tender is also joining Her.

[phoenix]

84 doesn't seem high with two seafood meals and four drinks

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by phoenix

84 doesn't seem high with two seafood meals and four drinks

Not for what was ordered, no—I meant more in terms of overall cost. I'm assuming there'll be less expensive options, though, but I've not seen a menu yet.

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[tis]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Not for what was ordered, no—I meant more in terms of overall cost. I'm assuming there'll be less expensive options, though, but I've not seen a menu yet.

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They do have a menu online.

[dmjr]

I went there about 3 weeks ago - here is how I feel about the place.

The food was excellent, but a bit pricy for sure.
The drinks were good.
The service was excellent.
The atmosphere was not the same as the old Pine Cone. This place is definitely not "happy hour" friendly to the locals.

This is just my opinion.

[Bumble2249]

Originally Posted by dmjr

I went there about 3 weeks ago - here is how I feel about the place.

The food was excellent, but a bit pricy for sure.
The drinks were good.
The service was excellent.
The atmosphere was not the same as the old Pine Cone. This place is definitely not "happy hour" friendly to the locals.

This is just my opinion.

As for your comment regarding the "atmosphere"... you are correct. This place will suffer come winter in Melvin Village!


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[barefootbay]

Originally Posted by Bumble2249

As for your comment regarding the "atmosphere"... you are correct. This place will suffer come winter in Melvin Village!


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No because the former O Bistro patrons will continue to dine at Birch and Vine in the winter as well as new friends they are making nightly.

[Bumble2249]

Originally Posted by barefootbay

No because the former O Bistro patrons will continue to dine at Birch and Vine in the winter as well as new friends they are making nightly.

Oh ok...


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[lakewinnie]

Originally Posted by barefootbay

No because the former O Bistro patrons will continue to dine at Birch and Vine in the winter as well as new friends they are making nightly.

Where does that leave former customers of the Pine Cone that do not wish to spend an arm and a leg on a pizza or casual dinner during the winter?

[Way Out There 2]

Right where we were pre Pine Cone.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by barefootbay

No because the former O Bistro patrons will continue to dine at Birch and Vine in the winter as well as new friends they are making nightly.

Hopefully you are right. We have talked to those "Locals" who use to go there for lunch and workers coming off jobs for happy hour have stopped going there. And from what they have told us Patti is fine and even ok with that. So be it. That is what it is. Other local establishments are benefiting. We have seen those "locals" and hard working trade people heading off to other places.
The Pine cone had the best pizza period! It was one of their speciality offerings. We wanted to try the new B&V pizza. The person on the phone is taking our order and says something about the cheese. Well we had their large pizza and the cheese was like chewing gum. The price for 4 toppings came to $33. If this doesn't change we won't be going there. It use to be our favorite place to go get steak tips, a burger or even a bowl of chilli. Guess we also will be looking for another place. That is too bad. Wish that was not the case. I want to help anyone to start a new business to be successful. But the feedback in this case it is what it is... And that is the direction the new owner wants to go. Wishing her the best of luck.

[marinewife]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

Hopefully you are right. We have talked to those "Locals" who use to go there for lunch and workers coming off jobs for happy hour have stopped going there. And from what they have told us Patti is fine and even ok with that. So be it. That is what it is. Other local establishments are benefiting. We have seen those "locals" and hard working trade people heading off to other places.
The Pine cone had the best pizza period! It was one of their speciality offerings. We wanted to try the new B&V pizza. The person on the phone is taking our order and says something about the cheese. Well we had their large pizza and the cheese was like chewing gum. The price for 4 toppings came to $33. If this doesn't change we won't be going there. It use to be our favorite place to go get steak tips, a burger or even a bowl of chilli. Guess we also will be looking for another place. That is too bad. Wish that was not the case. I want to help anyone to start a new business to be successful. But the feedback in this case it is what it is... And that is the direction the new owner wants to go. Wishing her the best of luck.

This saddens me- we live very close to PineCone and it was a regular place for us for take out lunch or eating there at dinner. We'd get nachos on a Saturday with drinks or get steak, tips, burgers, appetizers for supper. We had their pizza on the Tuesday night Pasta Night specials and that was ok, too-

I know prices are up everywhere but a $33.00 pizza won't cut it with my husband, that I am sure of. Maybe I'll try it with some gal friends one night after summer is over and give it a shot.

[gokart-mozart]

Originally Posted by marinewife

This saddens me- we live very close to PineCone and it was a regular place for us for take out lunch or eating there at dinner. We'd get nachos on a Saturday with drinks or get steak, tips, burgers, appetizers for supper. We had their pizza on the Tuesday night Pasta Night specials and that was ok, too-

I know prices are up everywhere but a $33.00 pizza won't cut it with my husband, that I am sure of. Maybe I'll try it with some gal friends one night after summer is over and give it a shot.

I like the new place a lot, but let me ask about the “$33 pizza”.
What was it? Wagyu beef?

[Mr. V]

Enough of the "sour grapes" comments about PC being no more.

Gotta get over it, same as when Waldo Peppers closed.

It ain't the end of the world, it just feels like it.

[bwalsh]

Just moved to Melvin Village this past winter and my first night went to Pinecone with live music playing Alice in Chains and some awesome pizza to put in my empty fridge. I was hooked. Was happy to walk there with visiting friends and family during snow storms or just to shoot the **** with the locals after work. Very casual atmosphere and awesome staff.

I don't have the same history as others with the Pinecone but nonetheless will miss it. Especially as this upcoming winter approaches. (cue "You don't know what you got till its gone")

Am seriously considering converting my house to a tavern if anyone else is interested

[KPW]

Originally Posted by bwalsh

Just moved to Melvin Village this past winter and my first night went to Pinecone with live music playing Alice in Chains and some awesome pizza to put in my empty fridge. I was hooked. Was happy to walk there with visiting friends and family during snow storms or just to shoot the **** with the locals after work. Very casual atmosphere and awesome staff.

I don't have the same history as others with the Pinecone but nonetheless will miss it. Especially as this upcoming winter approaches. (cue "You don't know what you got till its gone")

Am seriously considering converting my house to a tavern if anyone else is interested

I was thinking the same thing.

[The Real BigGuy]

She leases the space, she owns the business.


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[SteveO123]

I don’t know the Town but this may address the docks in question?

https://www.tuftonboronh.gov/sites/g...ted_7-2-18.pdf

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

A new restaurant will be opening in Melvin Village (Tuftonboro) on Friday, July 15 at 4:00 pm.

It will be called Birch & Vine and run by Patti (former Manager of O Bistro in Wolfeboro).

For those of you wondering where this is, the location used to be called "Pine Cone" and is located on Route 109 in Melvin Village.

I believe they have the only liquor pour license in Tuftonboro and I think they will be very successful in their new venture.

Winter is just about here. What is happening at Birch & Vine? Does it seem as if there is enough business to sustain this restaurant or is the place a ghost town?

[jeffk]

Not sure about the attendance but they have a facebook page with menu photos, here. FYI their most expensive large pizza is $23 (if the page is up to date), which seems well within the norm these days.

It's an hour round trip drive for me so I haven't gotten over there to check it out.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by jeffk

Not sure about the attendance but they have a facebook page with menu photos, here. FYI their most expensive large pizza is $23 (if the page is up to date), which seems well within the norm these days.

It's an hour round trip drive for me so I haven't gotten over there to check it out.

There are quite a few recent (rave) reviews on Google, so it seems like things are still going well.

It also seems, from the responses to those reviews, that ownership is keen on connecting with their customers which may build a new loyalty such that Pine Cone had.

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[knowit]

Wondering if they will be welcoming snowmobilers like the Pine Cone did. Or maybe since they went "high end" you will have to drive a 2020 or newer sled. Maybe old sleds and old customers are not welcomed.

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by knowit

Wondering if they will be welcoming snowmobilers like the Pine Cone did. Or maybe since they went "high end" you will have to drive a 2020 or newer sled. Maybe old sleds and old customers are not welcomed.

My wife and I had dinner for the first time recently at B&V. We use to frequent the Pine cone and loved the place. Patti met us at the entrance and welcomed us. We started asking how things were going. Of course, things were great according to Patti. I noticed she was renovating the store. i asked what are you planning with the old store. "Oh I'm glad you asked. That area will be for and cater to snowmobilers". "They will have their own entrance and can enjoy their time together away from the main dinning room. It should work out well. And we will welcome them".
She didn't say if they would have their own menu of casual/comfort food for example. And will they be allowed to go to the bar. Nice gesture by her and we will see how that all works out.
We certainly won't go there like we use to but we love their pizza (the same ingredients as the Pine Cone) and we have used their delivery services. We wish them well. It could be worst with no restaurant at all in the area.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

My wife and I had dinner for the first time recently at B&V. We use to frequent the Pine cone and loved the place. Patti met us at the entrance and welcomed us. We started asking how things were going. Of course, things were great according to Patti. I noticed she was renovating the store. i asked what are you planning with the old store. "Oh I'm glad you asked. That area will be for and cater to snowmobilers". "They will have their own entrance and can enjoy their time together away from the main dinning room. It should work out well. And we will welcome them".
She didn't say if they would have their own menu of casual/comfort food for example. And will they be allowed to go to the bar. Nice gesture by her and we will see how that all works out.
We certainly won't go there like we use to but we love their pizza (the same ingredients as the Pine Cone) and we have used their delivery services. We wish them well. It could be worst with no restaurant at all in the area.

Oh my... segregating the snowmobilers!!

[tis]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Oh my... segregating the snowmobilers!!

I kind of had that thought too.... But with all the heavy clothes, it might be a good idea.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by tis

I kind of had that thought too.... But with all the heavy clothes, it might be a good idea.

Honestly it makes sense and I have seen it done this way in many other places. Snowmobilers when stopping need to remove layers of clothes, gloves, helmets, GPS units, etc, etc. A little extra room or room designed to accommodate snowmobilers and their gear would be very welcome I would think. I say kudos to them for making special accommodations!…

Dan

[Lakegeezer]

Off topic but on tangent, Haffner's Gas station (where 603 Fuel used to be on RT 25, across from Lake Kanasatka) is also setting aside eating areas for snowmobilers, with extra hooks on the wall for gear. Sounds like a good trend.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Honestly it makes sense and I have seen it done this way in many other places. Snowmobilers when stopping need to remove layers of clothes, gloves, helmets, GPS units, etc, etc. A little extra room or room designed to accommodate snowmobilers and their gear would be very welcome I would think. I say kudos to them for making special accommodations!…

Dan

I also think there's a different culture/expectation between everyday diners and groups of snowmobilers—I know whenever I go ATVing we've got...energy.

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[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Oh my... segregating the snowmobilers!!

Kind of makes sense with the bulky clothing and boots, etc. Maybe at some point she makes that area a casual bar area? It sounds like she is trying….,

[baygo]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Oh my... segregating the snowmobilers!!

Can you please give directions to there by sled from Tavern 27

[VitaBene]

I'm OK with having extra hooks and such but if you're trying to keep the "dirty" sledders or bikers out of the main dining area, that is different.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

I'm OK with having extra hooks and such but if you're trying to keep the "dirty" sledders or bikers out of the main dining area, that is different.

I’ve entered restaurants as a “sledder” at the pizza barn on rte16 and as a a guy in a jacket going to a nice dinner in Boston. Same person but different dining needs at different points in time. Thus, I don’t think it has anything to do with “dirty sledders” but rather what type of experience a particular patron is seeking at a particular meal. She is trying to offer both types of dining experiences. I think that is good.

[watrskir]

Originally Posted by secondcurve

I’ve entered restaurants as a “sledder” at the pizza barn on rte16 and as a a guy in a jacket going to a nice dinner in Boston. Same person but different dining needs at different points in time. Thus, I don’t think it has anything to do with “dirty sledders” but rather what type of experience a particular patron is seeking at a particular meal. She is trying to offer both types of dining experiences. I think that is good.

I totally agree. And even with todays "clean fire" snowmobiles, your snowmobile gear smell like snowmobile... What might be ok for the group your with or other riders around you. Might not be appealing to others that don't ride.

[tis]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

I'm OK with having extra hooks and such but if you're trying to keep the "dirty" sledders or bikers out of the main dining area, that is different.

I think because of people talking about how stuffy she has tried to make it compared to what it was, is the reason we wonder if a separate section is degrading. It probably is not meant that way at all.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Oh my... segregating the snowmobilers!!

How did the winter go for Birch and Vine? Were the snowmobilers OK with the separate area? Any accommodations for full time residents over the winter? Updates would be appreciated.

Thank you

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by jeffk

Not sure about the attendance but they have a facebook page with menu photos, here. FYI their most expensive large pizza is $23 (if the page is up to date), which seems well within the norm these days.

It's an hour round trip drive for me so I haven't gotten over there to check it out.

A few months ago, pizza was take-out only, and entrees were dine-in only. I do not see a menu on the link to confirm if this is still the case, but folks might want to check in advance

[Flotnjr]

Had a pizza for lunch on Friday- same as the old Pine Cone was, fortunately one of my favorites. They did mention that is now an all day offering, eat in or take out.

[camp guy]

The new restaurant, Birch & Vine, is trying very hard to make a go of it, but, in my opinion, they will never replace the Pine Cone. Sad to say, but the Pine Cone is gone- gone in all ways, ambience, food style, staff, clientele.
Buying an arguably successful restaurant, and immediately making significant changes, is not a particularly wise way to enter the restaurant field.
With all due respect, Pine Cone was not, and did not aspire to be, an upscale restaurant. There is one of those down the road (Woodshed) for those who need that style of dining. Pine Cone served great food at favorable prices, attracted a wide-range of patrons, and everyone was happy when the meal was finished. Happy in that they were satisfied, not that the mean was over!
I hope Birch & Vine will eventually come to the realization that they can't survive unless they make a conscious effort to meet the needs of the local patrons. And I hope they come to this realization before it is too late.

[Major]

To further Camp Guy's point, it is difficult to succeed even if you try to replicate the old place. Look at Sandy Point. The new owners essentially copied the menu, with a few very minor changes, and could not make a go of it. People focused on the things that were different. Such a shame - we had so many great meals at Sandy Point. William Tell too.

[ghfromaltonbay]

Originally Posted by Major

To further Camp Guy's point, it is difficult to succeed even if you try to replicate the old place. Look at Sandy Point. The new owners essentially copied the menu, with a few very minor changes, and could not make a go of it. People focused on the things that were different. Such a shame - we had so many great meals at Sandy Point. William Tell too.

The problem with Sandy Point was not about keeping the menu the same, it was the effort put into keeping the place going. Having lived next door to the Damons for years, I knew how many hours they put in to make the restaurant a success. The new people didn't live on the property, showed up mid afternoon and didn't treat their employees as well.

[phoenix]

My understand with Sandy Point was the new owners did not buy the recipe for the lobster stuffing so they made their and it was disappointing . The stuffing was the main different from everyone else. Little details can make a difference

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by phoenix

My understand with Sandy Point was the new owners did not buy the recipe for the lobster stuffing so they made their and it was disappointing . The stuffing was the main different from everyone else. Little details can make a difference

I assume you mean this as one example of many shortcomings...weren't there numerous scathing reviews on this forum covering a wide variety of topics? Food, service, staff manners, chef manners....It was ugly

[Mpowers203]

I understand, the close knit, melting pot (perfect example of locals interacting with tourists in a cohesive way) that was the Pine Cone isn’t coming back. I don’t intend for the Pine Cone to come back, I don’t.

Tuftonboro was one of the last cozy corners on Winnipesaukee, one of the last to fall to developers from down south.

The man who bought the property and leased it to Patti has a history of transforming blue collar areas, gentrification, etc…

http://winthroptranscript.com/2014/0...s-development/

Bob’s vision will push out the people we treasure in this area and invite the people we most despise in this area. Long gone are the summer breaks where traffic calms down and subsides. Massachusetts is moving north, rapidly. I’m from there, but came to this region 20 something years ago specifically because NH is the antithesis of MA. It’s quiet and polite, the exact opposite of MA. I visit my family back in North Reading, Tewksbury, Burlington and can’t wait to get home.

Now that all that is out of the way, Patti and her motives were given this opportunity under the guise of establishing Tuftonboro as the new Winthrop, MA. Local employees quitting one by one, local patrons abandoning the BWhine once they realized that Patti isn’t here to create an eatery for all.

A customer of mine (founder of Stoneyfield) recently went there with his family and was treated with so much disrespect, they all left. Apparently, they tried to seat themselves in an empty restaurant and got the finger wave. God forbid.

Dave and Sheila didn’t make the best food, but they understood the culture and community, Patti’s betting on Bob and this area becoming the next Winthrop, and I will never support that…..no matter what the food tastes like. She’s made her stance on who she wants coming to her establishment. The difference is, the Pine Cone had all people from all walks of life enjoying Tuftonboro together, whereas the BWhine doesn’t.

{Private voicemail removed}

I’ve also outed several of BW’s successful reviews as bots and they’ve been removed from google/yelp/yahoo. Ask around, but she’s “not on social media” ��

[marinewife]

MPowers,

I am in agreement with you on how the employees as well as the original owners were told one thing but that changed into another. Have met up with several long time Pine Cone employees that left. She promised the owners she'd carry on their legacy and not change things too much, but it's evident that isn't the case now.

There were many Pine Cone customers that were there 3 times a day, early morning for the store, lunch time, and then happy hour or dinner. She lost all of those people.

Their pizza this summer started at 18.00 for a small plain and went to $33.00 for one with toppings.

The reviews for Birch show more than half are from reviewers who had under 3 reviews, always a suspicious number, especially for a new restaurant...

I'm hoping the man you mentioned who has bought up all of the surrounding property to Pine Cone (and across the street lakeside) very recently does NOT change this town into Winthrop, but time will tell. What a shame if that happens.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Mpowers203

I understand, the close knit, melting pot (perfect example of locals interacting with tourists in a cohesive way) that was the Pine Cone isn’t coming back. I don’t intend for the Pine Cone to come back, I don’t.

Tuftonboro was one of the last cozy corners on Winnipesaukee, one of the last to fall to developers from down south.

The man who bought the property and leased it to Patti has a history of transforming blue collar areas, gentrification, etc…

http://winthroptranscript.com/2014/0...s-development/

Bob’s vision will push out the people we treasure in this area and invite the people we most despise in this area. Long gone are the summer breaks where traffic calms down and subsides. Massachusetts is moving north, rapidly. I’m from there, but came to this region 20 something years ago specifically because NH is the antithesis of MA. It’s quiet and polite, the exact opposite of MA. I visit my family back in North Reading, Tewksbury, Burlington and can’t wait to get home.

Now that all that is out of the way, Patti and her motives were given this opportunity under the guise of establishing Tuftonboro as the new Winthrop, MA. Local employees quitting one by one, local patrons abandoning the BWhine once they realized that Patti isn’t here to create an eatery for all.

A customer of mine (founder of Stoneyfield) recently went there with his family and was treated with so much disrespect, they all left. Apparently, they tried to seat themselves in an empty restaurant and got the finger wave. God forbid.

Dave and Sheila didn’t make the best food, but they understood the culture and community, Patti’s betting on Bob and this area becoming the next Winthrop, and I will never support that…..no matter what the food tastes like. She’s made her stance on who she wants coming to her establishment. The difference is, the Pine Cone had all people from all walks of life enjoying Tuftonboro together, whereas the BWhine doesn’t.



I’ve also outed several of BW’s successful reviews as bots and they’ve been removed from google/yelp/yahoo. Ask around, but she’s “not on social media” ��

Hey Mpowers with a brand new account apparently set up just to trash a local business--

I am not happy about the Pine Cone's demise either--I was a weekly summer diner and have not eaten at B&V yet. But anybody deserves more than innuendo. Winthrop has been densely populated for decades (centuries?) --there is no comparison to T'boro. I listened to the SoundCloud--I did not hear anything that I understood to be a lie.

Please post specific lies, and back them up, or just leave her alone...

[SailinAway]

I don't know if the positive Yelp reviews are fake or not, but the negative reviews all sound like they were written by the same person.

[Mpowers203]

I don’t see any negative reviews, only moderate ones…..

EDIT: never mind, found them

They sound like similar experiences as opposed to similar vernacular.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by Mpowers203

They sound like similar experiences as opposed to similar vernacular.

The writing style is oddly similar in all of them.

[Mpowers203]

I can see that a little, but I personally know two of the reviewers. The Gary H one is definitely real, heard about it around town.

[WinterHarborGuy]

Sheesh. This is taking on some scary vibes.

This is a restaurant. If you don’t like the food, their approach, the cost, or the owner…don’t patronize them.

I am still kind of shocked at some of the vitriol here.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

Sheesh. This is taking on some scary vibes.

This is a restaurant. If you don’t like the food, their approach, the cost, or the owner…don’t patronize them.

I am still kind of shocked at some of the vitriol here.

Well said. Talk about Peyton Place! I’m seeing some similarities between this and the seaplane saga at 19 Mile Bay. Small town BS where people involve themselves in the business of others. It seems that Tuftonboro has more than their fair share of this nonsense.

[Mpowers203]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGuy

Sheesh. This is taking on some scary vibes.

This is a restaurant. If you don’t like the food, their approach, the cost, or the owner…don’t patronize them.

I am still kind of shocked at some of the vitriol here.

Vitriole seems fair, I respect your comment…..knowing most of the people involved/affected by the BWhine certainly skewed my opinions.

Scary vibes, no. Not in my arsenal. I speak loud and sometimes well….just using a forum for what it’s for…..discussion. I think that as many, if not more, people who support the BWhine may also agree with me, but just don’t own a megaphone nor the (searching for metaphor for balls) audacity to address it publicly.

If that truly frightened you, I sincerely apologize.

[baygo]

Originally Posted by Mpowers203

I don’t see any negative reviews, only moderate ones…..

EDIT: never mind, found them

They sound like similar experiences as opposed to similar vernacular.

Welcome to the forum Mpowers203. You certainly have presented a clear picture for us to assess your character.

Patti; keep your focus and apply your passion to bring your dreams to reality. The easiest part of restaurant ownership is getting open. Don’t forget what Carnegie said; “I don’t care what the are saying as long as they a talking about me”

[joey2665]

Nothing wrong with a restaurant having a casual section and finer dining section to cater to both patrons.

Canoe does this by generally seating parties with children downstairs.


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[WinterHarborGuy]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Nothing wrong with a restaurant having a casual section and finer dining section to cater to both patrons.

Canoe does this by generally seating parties with children downstairs.


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Also Woodshed does this with pub vs. dining room, and does it well, I think.

[tis]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Nothing wrong with a restaurant having a casual section and finer dining section to cater to both patrons.

Canoe does this by generally seating parties with children downstairs.


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Absolutely nothing wrong with that. But, you do have a choice. Can the snowmobilers go into the dining room if they want to?

[nplbw1]

My wife and I decided to look for a new restaurant in the area tonight so we went to the "Winnipesaukee Forum" for restaurant advice. After reading all the bad things people were saying, we decided to check out the Birch & Vine for ourselves. When we arrived, we were greeted by one of the waitresses coming in to work who held the door for us. We sat at the bar and the hostess came over and said she needed to go over the evening meals with the staff and apologized that there would be a short wait to place an order. The bartender came over right after, was friendly and said she had to go to a short meeting about the dinner menu and quickly got us a drink. We sat for awhile, looked over the menu and decor with concern from what this forum had presented. The place was immaculate (including the bathrooms) and the menu had a nice variety of choices. We ordered an appetizer and while i tried to decide on which beer on tap to have, one of the waitresses gave her opinion on a couple which was very much appreciated and I enjoyed. We ordered our entrees which were very good and we had great conversation with some of the other locals. When the dinner check was delivered, we thought it seemed reasonable. Is this a burger joint? NO. Is is a clam shack? NO. It's a decent restaurant with fair prices (have you been to the new Woodshed?). I'm not sure who thinks this place is way over priced but we found our new place to go. BTW, the hostess was the owner and she seemed to welcome several customers by name. If you haven't been, check it out for yourself.

[jetskier]

My wife and I dropped in for dinner last weekend.

We were politely greeted as we entered and given the option of seating at several open tables. It was early, but the restaurant filled up quickly.

My wife ordered "lobster soup" as an appetizer which was actually lobster neuberg (including 2 full claws) with a puff pasty cap. She was delighted with the dish and wished we ordered two - I had the shrimp cocktail.

For dinner, I had the duck and she had the scallops. Both were terrific.

The food overall was some of the best that we have had in the lakes region and our only disappointment is that they had sold out of most of the desserts. We had been told that the desserts are exceptional.

I can't speak to the history of the restaurant, but we found everything to be great and we will certainly be back.

Jetskier

[Billy Bob]

Originally Posted by nplbw1

My wife and I decided to look for a new restaurant in the area tonight so we went to the "Winnipesaukee Forum" for restaurant advice. After reading all the bad things people were saying, we decided to check out the Birch & Vine for ourselves. When we arrived, we were greeted by one of the waitresses coming in to work who held the door for us. We sat at the bar and the hostess came over and said she needed to go over the evening meals with the staff and apologized that there would be a short wait to place an order. The bartender came over right after, was friendly and said she had to go to a short meeting about the dinner menu and quickly got us a drink. We sat for awhile, looked over the menu and decor with concern from what this forum had presented. The place was immaculate (including the bathrooms) and the menu had a nice variety of choices. We ordered an appetizer and while i tried to decide on which beer on tap to have, one of the waitresses gave her opinion on a couple which was very much appreciated and I enjoyed. We ordered our entrees which were very good and we had great conversation with some of the other locals. When the dinner check was delivered, we thought it seemed reasonable. Is this a burger joint? NO. Is is a clam shack? NO. It's a decent restaurant with fair prices (have you been to the new Woodshed?). I'm not sure who thinks this place is way over priced but we found our new place to go. BTW, the hostess was the owner and she seemed to welcome several customers by name. If you haven't been, check it out for yourself.

We also have had a great dinner here !
Never , never ever , pay attention to forum reviews of new / changed establishments that are in the same location as a old standby establishment. Especially if the new restaurant charges a dime more then the restaurant that went under or if they attempt to make changes. The locals can’t handle change