Major Bonehead

sgold44 · 08-10-2008, 09:39 PM

I just have to vent!! On Saturday, around 4:00 pm, after enjoying a nice day at Weirs w/ my family & my 2 nephews (age 7 & 10), I began the cruise back to Alton Bay. After leaving the Govs island no wake zone, I powered up & headed towards the Witches. Approx 200 yards before the witches markers, I had a boat ahead of me, & 2 boats approaching from the NW, on my Port side. I noticed neither the boat in front of me nor the 1st boat approaching on my left giving way to each other, so I slowed down & waited to see what would happen. I seriously thought I may see a collision. The larger boat on my Port finally stopped & let the boat in front of me pass, as he should. The boat on the Port or Left is the give way boat, the starboard or right is the Stand on. Correct???? Then, I powered up & proceeded ahead, when I realized the next boat approching from my left is not going to give way to me. I immediately pulled back & maneuvered to my port to go behind him to avoid a collision, & this @#$%^^&&* Captain gave me the Middle finger salute. Oh well, life goes on, but I had to vent.

jetskier · 08-10-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sgold44

I just have to vent!! On Saturday, around 4:00 pm, after enjoying a nice day at Weirs w/ my family & my 2 nephews (age 7 & 10), I began the cruise back to Alton Bay. After leaving the Govs island no wake zone, I powered up & headed towards the Witches. Approx 200 yards before the witches markers, I had a boat ahead of me, & 2 boats approaching from the NW, on my Port side. I noticed neither the boat in front of me nor the 1st boat approaching on my left giving way to each other, so I slowed down & waited to see what would happen. I seriously thought I may see a collision. The larger boat on my Port finally stopped & let the boat in front of me pass, as he should. The boat on the Port or Left is the give way boat, the starboard or right is the Stand on. Correct???? Then, I powered up & proceeded ahead, when I realized the next boat approching from my left is not going to give way to me. I immediately pulled back & maneuvered to my port to go behind him to avoid a collision, & this @#$%^^&&* Captain gave me the Middle finger salute. Oh well, life goes on, but I had to vent.

I really wonder whether most people understand the right of way rules. I came out of the no wake zone between Govenors Island and Eagle Island on my jetski about 5:00 on Saturday. A boat from Anchor Marine cut across my bow from port to starbord. Now I maintain that he was the give way boat, but I had to swerve out of his way. The driver did not appear to even realize what he had done. I think that we either need some refresher courses or I am going to have to put deck guns on the jetski.

Jetskier

VtSteve · 08-10-2008, 09:58 PM

There is no refresher course needed. Just as on the roads, many people in boats simply drive straight to where they want to go. YOU are to slow down or stop, THEY do not care. There is no give away boat, it's always YOU. Now picture waterways with 75% of these idiot, and you have a problem.

Too bad nobody enforces it, too bad it's the major problem.

Resident 2B · 08-10-2008, 10:10 PM

Saturday was a busy day at the Weirs. I think that a lot of folks decided to come over and see the damage from the washout. I also noticed that the 150' rule was not being adheared to much, if at all, and that few people understand the rules about stand-on and give-way vessels.

I have gotten to the point that unless the give-way vessel demonstrates the willingness to give-way while 300' or so away, I alter course/speed in the interest of safety. I fully realize the stand-on vessel is supposed to maintain course and speed, but when it is busy and the lake is full of inexperienced boaters, you have to think about your personal safety.

I have seen too many times the give-way captain who maintains his course/speed giving the one-finger-salute to the stand-on vessel. These folks seem to want to let everyone know their boating IQ is 1.

R2B

Audiofn · 08-10-2008, 11:37 PM

I am always the give way boat as far as I am concerned. I always assume that the other person does not know what they are doing. Glad this turned out to be just a upsetting event and that you did what you had to do!!!

jrc · 08-10-2008, 11:46 PM

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I have gotten to the point that unless the give-way vessel demonstrates the willingness to give-way while 300' or so away, I alter course/speed in the interest of safety. I fully realize the stand-on vessel is supposed to maintain course and speed, but when it is busy and the lake is full of inexperienced boaters, you have to think about your personal safety.
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The most important rule is don't hit another boat, it overrides the requirement that the stand-on boat maintain course and speed.

II. (a) It shall be the duty of each vessel to keep to the right when vessels are approaching each other head on.
(b) When the courses of vessels are so far to the starboard of each other as not to be considered as approaching head on, they shall keep to the left.
III. When vessels are crossing courses or approaching each other in an oblique direction which may involve risk of collision, the vessel which has the other on its starboard side shall keep out of the way of the other, allowing the latter vessel to keep its course and speed.
IV. When vessels are running in the same direction and the vessel which is astern desires to pass the other, it shall do so only when sufficient distance between the vessels is available to avoid danger of collision, and at such a speed that its wake will not endanger the boat being passed or its occupants. No person operating a vessel shall abruptly change its course without first determining that it can safely be done without crossing immediately ahead of another vessel.
V. If, when vessels are approaching each other, either vessel fails to understand the course or intention of the other from any cause, such vessel or vessels shall immediately slow to a speed barely sufficient for steerage until the vessels have safely passed each other. If it appears the danger of collision is imminent both vessels shall stop or reverse and not proceed until such danger has been averted.

Sometimes it seems like the crossing boats just want to play chicken. I always chicken out first, better safe then sorry.

I don't think the MP give out many ticket for these rules, they can't really see the angles unless they are one of the boats.

MJM · 08-11-2008, 07:56 AM

I had a similar situation off Sewall Point...a boat coming from my port side, we were both going approx the same speed (25-ish), and he decided he was just going to go straight. Knowing a Marine Patrol boat was fairly close, I slowed enough to be safe, but making it clearly visible that Bonehead failed to give-way and definitely came well within 150ft of my bow.

I smiled, thinking "I'm going to enjoy this idiot getting pulled over and getting a ticket!" I looked at the MP boat, could see the officer was looking in our direction....and he just sat there. Capt Bonehead continued on his way, I shook my head in disgust, and MP floated.

JTA · 08-11-2008, 08:30 AM

Much of boat navigation is common sense IMHO. You can look ahead and adjust course to avoid many "right of way" situations. I don't over-worry about who has the right of way as I realize that fewer people have common sense these days (I don't know why). I gave up road rage and the finger a long time ago, it's better for my health. I will give way to the "bonehead" and go on with my life realizing that somewhere he'll/she'll learn a lesson.

VtSteve · 08-11-2008, 10:20 AM

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Much of boat navigation is common sense IMHO. You can look ahead and adjust course to avoid many "right of way" situations. I don't over-worry about who has the right of way as I realize that fewer people have common sense these days (I don't know why). I gave up road rage and the finger a long time ago, it's better for my health. I will give way to the "bonehead" and go on with my life realizing that somewhere he'll/she'll learn a lesson.

I had an interesting "discussion" with Captain Bonehead/tuber this summer. Large beach, tons of boats at anchor. He insisted in tubing close to the anchorage, sometimes turning in and going In Between anchored boats, probably 30' or so to each vessel. I watched intently, and saw him go back to the beach, anchoring in an area not too close to other boats. Our little discussion started nicely, telling him politely that boats at anchor rock quite a bit when slapped with his waves, he was too close, people swim in beach areas, etc..

He politely told me that He had much experience, tubed this way all the time didn't see the problem. So, that was that, wished him a nice day. I motored off at headway speed for ten minutes or so. We turned around, and headed to the best angle towards my intended target

I felt right around 15 mph trimmed high would be appropriate. Mr. tubing dipstick and all aboard were sitting down in their vessel. I smiled intently, even took their picture, as my biggest wave rocked them good. Yes, I did make sure that in no way would my wake disrupt anyone else, or I would have just grumbled and left. After a couple of these sophomoric displays, I idled over to Tuber idiot, who at this point was staring at me in a not so happy way.

I smiled, he yelled "What the heck are you doing?". I smiled again, and simply said "I took your advice, and decided that I had tons of experience, was not bothering anyone. I also said I didn't see what the problem was. I could see his wife smiling. I idled away at headway speed. Who knows if he got the point, but at least now he has more experience.

The next time these type of events occur, I will have it on video, and will use the VHF to hail down whomever will listen and come to see for themselves.

sa meredith · 08-11-2008, 10:29 AM

Although I see your point, and smiled a bit at the story...I'm not sure that was the best way to handle the situation. Sort of asking for confrontation. Maybe booze is involved...who knows...and things could get ugly quick. And then you would both be sorry it happened.
I think just letting him know that you and everyone else knew he was clueless was enough.
Tube within 30 feet of a stationary object in the water??!! He put many people at risk if this is true. 30 feet? 10 yards. Just a "first down" away.

VtSteve · 08-11-2008, 10:55 AM

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Although I see your point, and smiled a bit at the story...I'm not sure that was the best way to handle the situation. Sort of asking for confrontation. Maybe booze is involved...who knows...and things could get ugly quick. And then you would both be sorry it happened.
I think just letting him know that you and everyone else knew he was clueless was enough.
Tube within 30 feet of a stationary object in the water??!! He put many people at risk if this is true. 30 feet? 10 yards. Just a "first down" away.

Heck, I've seen them so close my brush's extension pole could have washed their boat as well. Clueless is something these people don't worry about, it's all about them. First hand experience and aggravation works better in these case. The fact that there are rarely any of the authorities around in areas where the percentage of stopping someone in the act is at or near 100% is a clear indicator of why it's happening with alarming frequency.

The fact that some people have spent so much time attacking GFBL boats and getting the speed limit law passed while ignoring these issues is quite revealing in itself.

Resident 2B · 08-11-2008, 11:12 AM

These Captain Boneheads are the real safety issue on the lake. Although boating seems to be down this year, there is no shortage of these Captain Boneheads.

Anyone that believes that HB-862 is going to give us a safer lake is significantly lacking in common sense. I hope that the NHMP starts to do something about the real problem, unsafe operation, before people get hurt.

I realize that some kayakers feel that they get "buzzed" because the operators do not see them. From their prospective, I am sure that they believe this and that they are telling us what they believe to be true. This is what they are experiencing. However, I have a 29' boat that is very easy to see, and I get "buzzed" and have my 150' space violated very often. It has nothing to do with speed, it is all about safe or unsafe operation.

Got to get back to work on the ark. Noah is out gather groups of two from each species. I asked him to leave the Captain Boneheads off his list.

R2B

sa meredith · 08-11-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sgold44

I just have to vent!! On Saturday, around 4:00 pm, after enjoying a nice day at Weirs w/ my family & my 2 nephews (age 7 & 10), I began the cruise back to Alton Bay. After leaving the Govs island no wake zone, I powered up & headed towards the Witches. Approx 200 yards before the witches markers, I had a boat ahead of me, & 2 boats approaching from the NW, on my Port side. I noticed neither the boat in front of me nor the 1st boat approaching on my left giving way to each other, so I slowed down & waited to see what would happen. I seriously thought I may see a collision. The larger boat on my Port finally stopped & let the boat in front of me pass, as he should. The boat on the Port or Left is the give way boat, the starboard or right is the Stand on. Correct???? Then, I powered up & proceeded ahead, when I realized the next boat approching from my left is not going to give way to me. I immediately pulled back & maneuvered to my port to go behind him to avoid a collision, & this @#$%^^&&* Captain gave me the Middle finger salute. Oh well, life goes on, but I had to vent.

What you have stated happens all the time! And drives me crazy. The best part is when the captain bonehead actually blames the boat that had the right of way. Simply amazing!
This is how I have have solved the problem...On Saturdays and Sundays, I am always the give way vessel. Too many clueless people out there.

Senter Cove Guy · 08-11-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sgold44

On Saturday, around 4:00 pm, after enjoying a nice day at Weirs w/ my family & my 2 nephews (age 7 & 10), I began the cruise back to Alton Bay. After leaving the Govs island no wake zone, I powered up & headed towards the Witches. Approx 200 yards before the witches markers, I had a boat ahead of me, & 2 boats approaching from the NW, on my Port side. I noticed neither the boat in front of me nor the 1st boat approaching on my left giving way to each other, so I slowed down & waited to see what would happen. I seriously thought I may see a collision. The larger boat on my Port finally stopped & let the boat in front of me pass, as he should.

I was the stand on boat and I was very aware of what was happening. The captain of the give way boat was day dreaming off to his port side. I was prepared to give way but didn't have to as the other captain finally realized the situation. The moral of the story, more captaining and less daydreaming makes for a safer lake.

randalnh · 08-11-2008, 01:32 PM

I was pulling up to the gas docks at the Weirs on Sunday and had the following series of events unfold. First, a guy in what looked like a new boat (about 23/24 footer) exceeding headway speed within 50 feet of the gas docks almost cuts me off in a hurry to beat me to the dock - a nasty look from me and he backs off. Then, as I am maneuvering at the dock I put it into reverse to get closer to the dock - I look behind me and this nitwit is about 5 feet off of my stern. I have to throw it back into forward to avoid hitting him. Finally get to the dock and tie up to get gas. Captain Nitwit on th opposite side of the dock now, spins his boat partly around to get his gas cap facing the proper side iof the dock - as he maneuvers, he hits the dock with his bow (he is now not at the controls but at the back of the boat) and from the stern of his boat, which is out about 8-10 feet he throws a stern line to the dock girl that had to be 1 1/2 inch in diameter and about 30 feet long - the line hits the dock and continues into my boat (I am on the opposite side of the dock). Now I am just guessing, but I bet this guy is one of those Boneheads that does not know the stand-on rules.

Always a few thrills on Winni weekends.

VtSteve · 08-11-2008, 04:33 PM

Just as in cars, any dumb arse can buy a boat. Driver training never helped either

Just think of it this way, people drive boats with the very same attitude they approach cars, shopping carts, and lift lines. Just way to much arrogance and selfishness out there to be anything but wary.

Winnipesaukee · 08-12-2008, 12:08 AM

This is the only law followed on the lake:

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"All vessels shall have right of way over you."

SAMIAM · 08-12-2008, 10:42 AM

Over the years I have learned to not even think about the rules......because around 20% of the boaters don't have a clue.I judge each approaching boat defensively and react accordingly.After receiving 1/2 of a peace sign from a few captains that don't know the rules,I just automatically give way to passing boats....it's not worth the aggravation.

Alton Bay Bob · 08-12-2008, 10:52 AM

I agree. I start out by thinking the other boater will know the rules and follow them. But I am quickly ready to change course. I must admit before the required licensing course I might have been a captain bonehead from lack of knowledge. But after taking the course and now reviewing the rules every year and learning from this forum I have become a much better boater. Thank you to all who have taught me over the years....PS I'll wave to you all

SAMIAM · 08-12-2008, 11:00 AM

Thanks,Bob.....I assume you will be using all of your fingers

coronado · 08-12-2008, 02:52 PM

This was witnessed by me, a couple weeks ago, in the Gilford area..... Daddy in his ski boat ,takes his two boys out to ski. The older boy (appeared to be 16/18 yrs old) starts off and skis around the area for a bit and takes a tumble... Dad and the young boy (12/14yrs) go get the ski and reel in the rope.. they then go over to pick up the older boy. They are now approx. 400ft from shore. Dad noses the boat up to the boy in the water... the boy, facing the boat, reaches up and grabs the bow light and places his legs on either side of the bow at the water line.... Dad hits the gas and away we go.. not too fast probably 6/7 mph... We were horrified, one slip and that kid was toast... there was no way that Dad could have stopped that boat if the boy lost his grip...Dad traveled the 400ft or so back to shore this way, and dropped the kid off near shore. Something tells me they have done this more than once.... and someday it could prove to be deadly... I wonder if this guy knows the rules of the road? Or if he really cares?

Pineedles · 08-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Makes me shudder to think about it. The father, I won't call him a Dad, probably wouldn't even know if the boy slipped off. If he doesn't wind up killing his kids his grandchildren are in danger as this type of behavior is learned. It just gets riskier with every generation.

Mr. Moyer · 08-12-2008, 03:34 PM

gives me a pit in my stomach just thinking about the potential consequences. If you see this again, please go over and let them know of your concern. I'm sure all involved, haven't thought through what they are doing. they probably think it is no big deal. A number of lives can be changed in a second if something were to happen.

sa meredith · 08-12-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by coronado

This was witnessed by me, a couple weeks ago, in the Gilford area..... Daddy in his ski boat ,takes his two boys out to ski. The older boy (appeared to be 16/18 yrs old) starts off and skis around the area for a bit and takes a tumble... Dad and the young boy (12/14yrs) go get the ski and reel in the rope.. they then go over to pick up the older boy. They are now approx. 400ft from shore. Dad noses the boat up to the boy in the water... the boy, facing the boat, reaches up and grabs the bow light and places his legs on either side of the bow at the water line.... Dad hits the gas and away we go.. not too fast probably 6/7 mph... We were horrified, one slip and that kid was toast... there was no way that Dad could have stopped that boat if the boy lost his grip...Dad traveled the 400ft or so back to shore this way, and dropped the kid off near shore. Something tells me they have done this more than once.... and someday it could prove to be deadly... I wonder if this guy knows the rules of the road? Or if he really cares?

Wow! I actually cringed as I read this. Literally got sweaty palms. Imagine being the kid hanging on, and falling, and thinking, "gee, I wonder what's going to happe....................

Newbiesaukee · 08-12-2008, 04:11 PM

I am looking out my window and at least 1/4 mile offshore in the channel between Long Island and Little Bear I see ( but don't believe) two 11-14 yo boys without any PFDs, each on a small foam swim raft paddling around!!! No one else in sight!!! Fortunately no power boats around either. What were they thinking?...then again, they are adolescent boys which I guess answers the question.

wildwoodfam · 08-16-2008, 03:20 PM

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I am looking out my window and at least 1/4 mile offshore in the channel between Long Island and Little Bear I see ( but don't believe) two 11-14 yo boys without any PFDs, each on a small foam swim raft paddling around!!! No one else in sight!!! Fortunately no power boats around either. What were they thinking?...then again, they are adolescent boys which I guess answers the question.

The channel between Lil Bear and LI is about 200 feet wide (if that) - so how are they 1/4 mile off shore? I need clarification on where they were.

I have to admit - I have swum through that channel before - and isn't that what being at the lake is all about playing around in the lake? I am glad there were TWO of them - if it were just one kid I'd have said something to him/her.

I guess I just pay attention when I am out in the boat - and am not surprised nor alarmed to see people - espcially teens swimming all over the lake. Again - isnt that what it is really all about?

GWC... · 08-16-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

The channel between Lil Bear and LI is about 200 feet wide (if that) - so how are they 1/4 mile off shore? I need clarification on where they were.

Google shows it to be more like 200 meters.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...17509&t=h&z=15

Don't you think that area to be a bit too travelled to swim? That is a major route. It's that or the Hole-in-the-Wall.

COWISLAND NH · 08-12-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by coronado

This was witnessed by me, a couple weeks ago, in the Gilford area..... Daddy in his ski boat ,takes his two boys out to ski. The older boy (appeared to be 16/18 yrs old) starts off and skis around the area for a bit and takes a tumble... Dad and the young boy (12/14yrs) go get the ski and reel in the rope.. they then go over to pick up the older boy. They are now approx. 400ft from shore. Dad noses the boat up to the boy in the water... the boy, facing the boat, reaches up and grabs the bow light and places his legs on either side of the bow at the water line.... Dad hits the gas and away we go.. not too fast probably 6/7 mph... We were horrified, one slip and that kid was toast... there was no way that Dad could have stopped that boat if the boy lost his grip...Dad traveled the 400ft or so back to shore this way, and dropped the kid off near shore. Something tells me they have done this more than once.... and someday it could prove to be deadly... I wonder if this guy knows the rules of the road? Or if he really cares?

Now if that boy were to get hurt....would it be speed related bc he was going faster then headway speed w/ in 150 feet of shore??? WinnFab would say so i bet!

DUMB THRILL SEEKER!!! LOL

Dave R · 08-12-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by coronado

Dad noses the boat up to the boy in the water... the boy, facing the boat, reaches up and grabs the bow light and places his legs on either side of the bow at the water line.... Dad hits the gas and away we go.. not too fast probably 6/7 mph...

Any chance it was a jet drive? If so, it would have been a harmless (but still really dumb) stunt.

Seeker · 08-13-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by coronado

Dad noses the boat up to the boy in the water... the boy, facing the boat, reaches up and grabs the bow light and places his legs on either side of the bow at the water line.... Dad hits the gas and away we go.. not too fast probably 6/7 mph... We were horrified, one slip and that kid was toast...

I would have had to have had a little talk with that operator. Sounds like it's been standard practice with them.
I stopped a pontoon boat on another lake that had a young child sitting on the bow dangling his legs in the water as they went along at maybe 8mph. The boat, around an 18 footer, had about 10 people on it and was very low in the water. This was a July 4th weekend. I guess I just can't understand some of these parents.

jrc · 08-13-2008, 11:19 AM

I think I saw James Bond do this is a movie or was it the movie with Jessica Alba and sharks.

jasn · 08-13-2008, 05:28 PM

Seeing this thread makes me feel better, because I was thinking about starting one about the same subject myself. I'm amazed at how many boaters who either don't know about or ignore the the Give-way rule that I question my own memory and have looked it up twice to be sure I'm not the one at fault.

Last year I had one of those stupid stand-offs with a boater coming from my port side and wound up furious and shaking my fist. All I really did was lose a good hat and scare the crap out of my non-boating passengers. I felt pretty foolish afterward.

Justenuff · 08-14-2008, 09:02 AM

Can't tell you how many times I have almost been bisected by Captain Bonehead. Being a slow blow boater on Winni has it's challenges.
On my way back from Black Cat last Saturday, I was on a reach from Timber Island area and one Bonehead decided to adjust something in the boat, taking his eyes off the direction of travel. Of course, he didn't slow down from his 30 - 40 mph pace, and I had to use my horn to keep him from slicing me in half.
At the last minute (I felt the spray from his boat), he managed to turn away from me, otherwise we would have a new boating accident thread.

BeaverIslandGuy · 08-15-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Over the years I have learned to not even think about the rules......because around 20% of the boaters don't have a clue.I judge each approaching boat defensively and react accordingly.After receiving 1/2 of a peace sign from a few captains that don't know the rules,I just automatically give way to passing boats....it's not worth the aggravation.

SIM has it right. Having been boating here for 40 years, in the last 5 I have taken to a full defensive posture, assuming that any boat that I can see 360 degrees around me that is not heading away from me is a potential issue. I just assume they don't know the rules and give them at least 300 ft and asjust speed accordingly.

It is so bad I have have taken to wearing a (very comfortable) lifevest all the time, even before and after getting on/off the boat due to large wakes and people violating the 150 ft rule. I view it the same as having airbags. While I don't ever plan on using them, I have to protect my family. I can only control my own actions, not the captain boneheads of the world. If you see me wearing it (I do go to CH a lot), try not to laugh too hard.

sea_n_ski · 08-16-2008, 08:39 AM

There are times when it is just best to leave the boat at the dock. Saturday between 11 AM - 3 PM and Sunday 11 AM - 1 PM is a zoo. I find Sunday afternoons the best time to enjoy the lake. That is when we typically do our cruise around. The crazies seem to be heading home terrorizing Rt 93 instead of the lake.

SAMIAM · 08-16-2008, 09:32 AM

Is there any place in America that is crazier than Weirs bay at 3 o'clock on a hot Saturday?

Seeker · 08-16-2008, 03:38 PM

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Is there any place in America that is crazier than Weirs bay at 3 o'clock on a hot Saturday?

Yes. Boston Harbor near President Roads is like the Ho Chi Min Trail on a summer Sunday. And there's NO 150' rule.

Airwaves · 08-16-2008, 04:26 PM

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Is there any place in America that is crazier than Weirs bay at 3 o'clock on a hot Saturday?

Yes. Boston Harbor near President Roads is like the Ho Chi Min Trail on a summer Sunday. And there's NO 150' rule.

I was thinking the Mouth of the Merrimack in Newburyport any time on a summer weekend. No 150 foot rule there either

BroadHopper · 08-16-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Airwaves

I was thinking the Mouth of the Merrimack in Newburyport any time on a summer weekend. No 150 foot rule there either

Try the intercoastal between Palm Beach and Lauderdale. No 150' rule!

chipj29 · 08-17-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Airwaves

I was thinking the Mouth of the Merrimack in Newburyport any time on a summer weekend. No 150 foot rule there either

I can vouch for that. I about got swamped by a giant wake coming out of there one day last August. That place is a zoo!

EricP · 08-17-2008, 08:20 PM

Today I had to yield twice to Captain Boneheads in big boats, 1 cruiser and 1 GFBL even though I legally had the right of way and they should have given way, apparently being on a jet ski means you MUST get out of the way, or the bigger boat always has the right of way? In the first instance had I not basically slowed and turned off my course I probably would have been run down. Clearly voilated the 150' rule, and I never saw him as he came up over my right shoulder seemingly from nowhere. I am usually keeping a lookout all around me but missed this guy until he was maybe 500' away and closing fast. In both cases I chose safety over being right

Irrigation Guy · 08-17-2008, 10:12 PM

Yep Eric, can't blame you for giving way, sometimes that is referred to as "Dead Right". Nobody would want that distinction.

Newbiesaukee · 08-17-2008, 10:22 PM

From approximately Harilla's to Little Bear is about 1/2 mile and the boys were about mid-way. Teens may be teens, but this is no place to swim. There is, of course, a narrow channel from part of Long Island to Little Bear (near the no rafting "East Cove"), but this is not the location to which I was referring. Sorry for the confusion.

ApS · 08-18-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Justenuff

"...Can't tell you how many times I have almost been bisected by Captain Bonehead. Being a slow blow boater on Winni has it's challenges..."

Boy, does it ever.

What you need is a DIY "Powerboat Excluder" for sunny days.

The prototype modeled here has three disposable CDs attached to an old hat. However, just one CD in front is best, as it is really a powerful mirror used to reflect the sun.

While you could simply carry a CD on board, this model can be "aimed" by just moving your head: meanwhile, control of your boat can be maintained with both hands. The results are highly gratifying, and kayakers have commented favorably about it.

Some "previously-flashed" locals give my boat a wide berth; on the other hand, skippers who fail to notice the bright flash from my boat get my instant concern and attention.

Bass boats and Jet-Skis never seem to miss it—perhaps because they are always focused forward.

It's highly effective. Try one—you'll like it!

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Originally Posted by Dave R

Any chance it was a jet drive? If so, it would have been a harmless (but still really dumb) stunt.

I was just reading that injuries from a jet drive can be severe. ("Ask an ER doctor".) 'Guess it'd be deadly if you got a snootful.

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Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

"...From approximately Harilla's to Little Bear is about 1/2 mile and the boys were about mid-way. Teens may be teens, but this is no place to swim..."

I've seen the NHMPs shoo "littler" kids on swim rafts closer to shore: with the remarkable increase in lakefront rentals in my locale, it's a much more common sight this year.

I was just reading of an Internet post where the Coast Guard fined a boater $250 reckless operation—for passing swimmers near a dive flag, ¼-mile off a beach—in the ocean!

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Originally Posted by coronado

"...Dad noses the boat up to the boy in the water... the boy, facing the boat, reaches up and grabs the bow light and places his legs on either side of the bow at the water line.... Dad hits the gas..."

Not as bad as the photo below: This little girl is riding on the swim platform!

Both ends of a boat should be of concern.

jrc · 08-18-2008, 09:33 AM

Since we are talking about people swiming in th channel, I have to tell about a heart stopper on Sunday in the Weirs Channel. I was leaving Paugus Bay just passing the cabins approaching the partially collapsed docks opposite Thurstons gas docks. A man is standing on those docks in a bathing suit. As I slow he jumps into the channel, I thought he was going to swim to Thurstons but he doesn't, he turns left an swims down the side of the channel, he has less than 5 feet from my boat.

I hit neutral just so my props would stop for a few seconds as he went by. I guess he was relatively safe but it scared the Ship out of me.

Kamper · 08-18-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jrc

... I hit neutral just so my props would stop for a few seconds as he went by. ...

I cant say for sure about I/O, but on an outboard motor the props are always turning even at idle. Just FYI.

I don't think there was anything else you could have done in that tight spot. It goes to show not all Boneheads need boats!

sa meredith · 08-16-2008, 09:36 AM

Friday, August 15th.....12 noon...
Coming out of Paugus Bay, toward channel (what a current in there, by the way) and was well past the "No Wake" marker....probably 35/40 yards or so (over 100 feet) , and a 26' red and white Crownline bow rider PASSES ME! And there is a decent line of boats....he is actually going along at a decent clip...himself and two passengers aboard. I shout out to him, "Do you realize you are in a no wake zone?" A fair question...maybe he really does not know.
His reply? "Don't worry about me". So I give him the benefit of the doubt...maybe he is in some type of an emergency situation, and needs to get to Channell or Thurston's in a hurry....but alas, no, he gets in line, and heads off toward Governor's.
I guess he saw the signs, he figured, "well, I don't think anyone died, so there must be 'no wake' ".

BroadHopper · 08-16-2008, 09:45 AM

Between Memorial Day and labor Day is 3 PM Friday to 3 PM Sunday. It is like a zoo.

Orion · 08-17-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BeaverIslandGuy

SIM has it right. Having been boating here for 40 years, in the last 5 I have taken to a full defensive posture, assuming that any boat that I can see 360 degrees around me that is not heading away from me is a potential issue. I just assume they don't know the rules and give them at least 300 ft and asjust speed accordingly.

Actually Alton Bay Bob had it right.

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Originally Posted by Alton Bay Bob

I agree. I start out by thinking the other boater will know the rules and follow them. But I am quickly ready to change course. I agree. I start out by thinking the other boater will know the rules and follow them. But I am quickly ready to change course.

Under normal circumstances, the stand on vessel SHOULD maintain course and speed so that the give way vessel knows how to adjust. If everyone is "adjusting", it's harder to figure out which way to go. Of course, be prepared to yield to the boneheads who don't know the rules.

08-10-2008, 09:39 PM	#1
sgold44 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Middleton, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Major Bonehead I just have to vent!! On Saturday, around 4:00 pm, after enjoying a nice day at Weirs w/ my family & my 2 nephews (age 7 & 10), I began the cruise back to Alton Bay. After leaving the Govs island no wake zone, I powered up & headed towards the Witches. Approx 200 yards before the witches markers, I had a boat ahead of me, & 2 boats approaching from the NW, on my Port side. I noticed neither the boat in front of me nor the 1st boat approaching on my left giving way to each other, so I slowed down & waited to see what would happen. I seriously thought I may see a collision. The larger boat on my Port finally stopped & let the boat in front of me pass, as he should. The boat on the Port or Left is the give way boat, the starboard or right is the Stand on. Correct???? Then, I powered up & proceeded ahead, when I realized the next boat approching from my left is not going to give way to me. I immediately pulled back & maneuvered to my port to go behind him to avoid a collision, & this @#$%^^&&* Captain gave me the Middle finger salute. Oh well, life goes on, but I had to vent.

08-10-2008, 10:10 PM	#4
Resident 2B Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Shore, MA Posts: 1,358 Thanks: 996 Thanked 314 Times in 164 Posts	Busy Saturday at the Weirs Saturday was a busy day at the Weirs. I think that a lot of folks decided to come over and see the damage from the washout. I also noticed that the 150' rule was not being adheared to much, if at all, and that few people understand the rules about stand-on and give-way vessels. I have gotten to the point that unless the give-way vessel demonstrates the willingness to give-way while 300' or so away, I alter course/speed in the interest of safety. I fully realize the stand-on vessel is supposed to maintain course and speed, but when it is busy and the lake is full of inexperienced boaters, you have to think about your personal safety. I have seen too many times the give-way captain who maintains his course/speed giving the one-finger-salute to the stand-on vessel. These folks seem to want to let everyone know their boating IQ is 1. R2B

08-11-2008, 10:29 AM	#10
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	Well, maybe Although I see your point, and smiled a bit at the story...I'm not sure that was the best way to handle the situation. Sort of asking for confrontation. Maybe booze is involved...who knows...and things could get ugly quick. And then you would both be sorry it happened. I think just letting him know that you and everyone else knew he was clueless was enough. Tube within 30 feet of a stationary object in the water??!! He put many people at risk if this is true. 30 feet? 10 yards. Just a "first down" away.

08-11-2008, 11:12 AM	#12
Resident 2B Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Shore, MA Posts: 1,358 Thanks: 996 Thanked 314 Times in 164 Posts	The real safety issue These Captain Boneheads are the real safety issue on the lake. Although boating seems to be down this year, there is no shortage of these Captain Boneheads. Anyone that believes that HB-862 is going to give us a safer lake is significantly lacking in common sense. I hope that the NHMP starts to do something about the real problem, unsafe operation, before people get hurt. I realize that some kayakers feel that they get "buzzed" because the operators do not see them. From their prospective, I am sure that they believe this and that they are telling us what they believe to be true. This is what they are experiencing. However, I have a 29' boat that is very easy to see, and I get "buzzed" and have my 150' space violated very often. It has nothing to do with speed, it is all about safe or unsafe operation. Got to get back to work on the ark. Noah is out gather groups of two from each species. I asked him to leave the Captain Boneheads off his list. R2B

08-11-2008, 01:32 PM	#15
randalnh Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 50 Thanks: 1 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	Boneheads you say I was pulling up to the gas docks at the Weirs on Sunday and had the following series of events unfold. First, a guy in what looked like a new boat (about 23/24 footer) exceeding headway speed within 50 feet of the gas docks almost cuts me off in a hurry to beat me to the dock - a nasty look from me and he backs off. Then, as I am maneuvering at the dock I put it into reverse to get closer to the dock - I look behind me and this nitwit is about 5 feet off of my stern. I have to throw it back into forward to avoid hitting him. Finally get to the dock and tie up to get gas. Captain Nitwit on th opposite side of the dock now, spins his boat partly around to get his gas cap facing the proper side iof the dock - as he maneuvers, he hits the dock with his bow (he is now not at the controls but at the back of the boat) and from the stern of his boat, which is out about 8-10 feet he throws a stern line to the dock girl that had to be 1 1/2 inch in diameter and about 30 feet long - the line hits the dock and continues into my boat (I am on the opposite side of the dock). Now I am just guessing, but I bet this guy is one of those Boneheads that does not know the stand-on rules. Always a few thrills on Winni weekends.

08-10-2008, 09:58 PM	#3
VtSteve Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,320 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 230 Thanked 361 Times in 169 Posts	There is no refresher course needed. Just as on the roads, many people in boats simply drive straight to where they want to go. YOU are to slow down or stop, THEY do not care. There is no give away boat, it's always YOU. Now picture waterways with 75% of these idiot, and you have a problem. Too bad nobody enforces it, too bad it's the major problem.

08-10-2008, 11:37 PM	#5
Audiofn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bedford, MA/Naples, ME Posts: 162 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I am always the give way boat as far as I am concerned. I always assume that the other person does not know what they are doing. Glad this turned out to be just a upsetting event and that you did what you had to do!!!

08-11-2008, 07:56 AM	#7
MJM Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 11 Posts	I had a similar situation off Sewall Point...a boat coming from my port side, we were both going approx the same speed (25-ish), and he decided he was just going to go straight. Knowing a Marine Patrol boat was fairly close, I slowed enough to be safe, but making it clearly visible that Bonehead failed to give-way and definitely came well within 150ft of my bow. I smiled, thinking "I'm going to enjoy this idiot getting pulled over and getting a ticket!" I looked at the MP boat, could see the officer was looking in our direction....and he just sat there. Capt Bonehead continued on his way, I shook my head in disgust, and MP floated.

08-11-2008, 08:30 AM	#8
JTA Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fort Pierce, Florida Posts: 233 Thanks: 34 Thanked 25 Times in 21 Posts	Much of boat navigation is common sense IMHO. You can look ahead and adjust course to avoid many "right of way" situations. I don't over-worry about who has the right of way as I realize that fewer people have common sense these days (I don't know why). I gave up road rage and the finger a long time ago, it's better for my health. I will give way to the "bonehead" and go on with my life realizing that somewhere he'll/she'll learn a lesson.

08-11-2008, 04:33 PM	#16
VtSteve Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,320 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 230 Thanked 361 Times in 169 Posts	Just as in cars, any dumb arse can buy a boat. Driver training never helped either Just think of it this way, people drive boats with the very same attitude they approach cars, shopping carts, and lift lines. Just way to much arrogance and selfishness out there to be anything but wary.

08-12-2008, 10:42 AM	#18
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,924 Thanks: 350 Thanked 1,693 Times in 595 Posts	Over the years I have learned to not even think about the rules......because around 20% of the boaters don't have a clue.I judge each approaching boat defensively and react accordingly.After receiving 1/2 of a peace sign from a few captains that don't know the rules,I just automatically give way to passing boats....it's not worth the aggravation.

08-12-2008, 10:52 AM	#19
Alton Bay Bob Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 46 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree. I start out by thinking the other boater will know the rules and follow them. But I am quickly ready to change course. I must admit before the required licensing course I might have been a captain bonehead from lack of knowledge. But after taking the course and now reviewing the rules every year and learning from this forum I have become a much better boater. Thank you to all who have taught me over the years....PS I'll wave to you all

08-12-2008, 11:00 AM	#20
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,924 Thanks: 350 Thanked 1,693 Times in 595 Posts	Thanks,Bob.....I assume you will be using all of your fingers

08-12-2008, 02:52 PM	#21
coronado Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Daddy Capt. Bonehead This was witnessed by me, a couple weeks ago, in the Gilford area..... Daddy in his ski boat ,takes his two boys out to ski. The older boy (appeared to be 16/18 yrs old) starts off and skis around the area for a bit and takes a tumble... Dad and the young boy (12/14yrs) go get the ski and reel in the rope.. they then go over to pick up the older boy. They are now approx. 400ft from shore. Dad noses the boat up to the boy in the water... the boy, facing the boat, reaches up and grabs the bow light and places his legs on either side of the bow at the water line.... Dad hits the gas and away we go.. not too fast probably 6/7 mph... We were horrified, one slip and that kid was toast... there was no way that Dad could have stopped that boat if the boy lost his grip...Dad traveled the 400ft or so back to shore this way, and dropped the kid off near shore. Something tells me they have done this more than once.... and someday it could prove to be deadly... I wonder if this guy knows the rules of the road? Or if he really cares?

08-12-2008, 03:10 PM	#22
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,549 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 672 Times in 369 Posts	Makes me shudder to think about it. The father, I won't call him a Dad, probably wouldn't even know if the boy slipped off. If he doesn't wind up killing his kids his grandchildren are in danger as this type of behavior is learned. It just gets riskier with every generation.

08-12-2008, 03:34 PM	#23
Mr. Moyer Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 49 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	gives me a pit in my stomach just thinking about the potential consequences. If you see this again, please go over and let them know of your concern. I'm sure all involved, haven't thought through what they are doing. they probably think it is no big deal. A number of lives can be changed in a second if something were to happen.

08-12-2008, 04:11 PM	#25
Newbiesaukee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Coral Gables, winter; Long Island, summer Posts: 1,363 Thanks: 961 Thanked 575 Times in 300 Posts	This is actually first mate bonehead.. I am looking out my window and at least 1/4 mile offshore in the channel between Long Island and Little Bear I see ( but don't believe) two 11-14 yo boys without any PFDs, each on a small foam swim raft paddling around!!! No one else in sight!!! Fortunately no power boats around either. What were they thinking?...then again, they are adolescent boys which I guess answers the question.

08-13-2008, 11:19 AM	#31
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	I think I saw James Bond do this is a movie or was it the movie with Jessica Alba and sharks.

08-13-2008, 05:28 PM	#32
jasn Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Northborough, MA Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Seeing this thread makes me feel better, because I was thinking about starting one about the same subject myself. I'm amazed at how many boaters who either don't know about or ignore the the Give-way rule that I question my own memory and have looked it up twice to be sure I'm not the one at fault. Last year I had one of those stupid stand-offs with a boater coming from my port side and wound up furious and shaking my fist. All I really did was lose a good hat and scare the crap out of my non-boating passengers. I felt pretty foolish afterward.

08-14-2008, 09:02 AM	#33
Justenuff Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wilmington, North Carolina Posts: 74 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Been There, Done That Can't tell you how many times I have almost been bisected by Captain Bonehead. Being a slow blow boater on Winni has it's challenges. On my way back from Black Cat last Saturday, I was on a reach from Timber Island area and one Bonehead decided to adjust something in the boat, taking his eyes off the direction of travel. Of course, he didn't slow down from his 30 - 40 mph pace, and I had to use my horn to keep him from slicing me in half. At the last minute (I felt the spray from his boat), he managed to turn away from me, otherwise we would have a new boating accident thread.

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08-16-2008, 08:39 AM	#35
sea_n_ski Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atkinson & Meredith, NH Posts: 45 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 3 Posts	There are times when it is just best to leave the boat at the dock. Saturday between 11 AM - 3 PM and Sunday 11 AM - 1 PM is a zoo. I find Sunday afternoons the best time to enjoy the lake. That is when we typically do our cruise around. The crazies seem to be heading home terrorizing Rt 93 instead of the lake.

08-16-2008, 09:32 AM	#36
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,924 Thanks: 350 Thanked 1,693 Times in 595 Posts	Is there any place in America that is crazier than Weirs bay at 3 o'clock on a hot Saturday?

08-17-2008, 08:20 PM	#41
EricP Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 329 Thanks: 28 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Today I had to yield twice to Captain Boneheads in big boats, 1 cruiser and 1 GFBL even though I legally had the right of way and they should have given way, apparently being on a jet ski means you MUST get out of the way, or the bigger boat always has the right of way? In the first instance had I not basically slowed and turned off my course I probably would have been run down. Clearly voilated the 150' rule, and I never saw him as he came up over my right shoulder seemingly from nowhere. I am usually keeping a lookout all around me but missed this guy until he was maybe 500' away and closing fast. In both cases I chose safety over being right

08-17-2008, 10:12 PM	#42
Irrigation Guy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 484 Thanks: 89 Thanked 138 Times in 72 Posts	Yep Eric, can't blame you for giving way, sometimes that is referred to as "Dead Right". Nobody would want that distinction.

08-17-2008, 10:22 PM	#43
Newbiesaukee Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Coral Gables, winter; Long Island, summer Posts: 1,363 Thanks: 961 Thanked 575 Times in 300 Posts	To clarify the geography... From approximately Harilla's to Little Bear is about 1/2 mile and the boys were about mid-way. Teens may be teens, but this is no place to swim. There is, of course, a narrow channel from part of Long Island to Little Bear (near the no rafting "East Cove"), but this is not the location to which I was referring. Sorry for the confusion.

08-18-2008, 09:33 AM	#45
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Since we are talking about people swiming in th channel, I have to tell about a heart stopper on Sunday in the Weirs Channel. I was leaving Paugus Bay just passing the cabins approaching the partially collapsed docks opposite Thurstons gas docks. A man is standing on those docks in a bathing suit. As I slow he jumps into the channel, I thought he was going to swim to Thurstons but he doesn't, he turns left an swims down the side of the channel, he has less than 5 feet from my boat. I hit neutral just so my props would stop for a few seconds as he went by. I guess he was relatively safe but it scared the Ship out of me.

08-16-2008, 09:36 AM	#47
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	Friday Friday, August 15th.....12 noon... Coming out of Paugus Bay, toward channel (what a current in there, by the way) and was well past the "No Wake" marker....probably 35/40 yards or so (over 100 feet) , and a 26' red and white Crownline bow rider PASSES ME! And there is a decent line of boats....he is actually going along at a decent clip...himself and two passengers aboard. I shout out to him, "Do you realize you are in a no wake zone?" A fair question...maybe he really does not know. His reply? "Don't worry about me". So I give him the benefit of the doubt...maybe he is in some type of an emergency situation, and needs to get to Channell or Thurston's in a hurry....but alas, no, he gets in line, and heads off toward Governor's. I guess he saw the signs, he figured, "well, I don't think anyone died, so there must be 'no wake' ".

08-16-2008, 09:45 AM	#48
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,615 Thanks: 3,245 Thanked 1,115 Times in 801 Posts	Worst time on the lake Between Memorial Day and labor Day is 3 PM Friday to 3 PM Sunday. It is like a zoo. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.