Warm Weather

Shedwannabe · 11-11-2009, 01:08 PM

Not that I'm complaining...

...but how did the title of this thread get changed from the provocative trollish "Global Warming" to the more appropriate "Warm Weather"?

Now if only the comments in this thread were changed from the trollish "Diss Global Warming...smirk, smirk" to an appreciation of there (finally) being some nice fall weather... even if it is the result of human activity

fatlazyless · 11-20-2009, 09:57 AM

So, how is the skiing? Waterville Valley was scheduled to open on Nov 20, which is today. Taking a look back over the last 25 years, the ground in the valley should be white with natural snow cover from Nov 8 to Apr 5.

Not this year; the ground is not even frozen yet, there has been no natural snowfall, no artificial snow-making, and today it is raining heavy with temp 53 degrees.

Will the ski areas be open for Thanksgiving, Nov 26?

Hey, it's been a terrific November for

utd

r tennis!

Meredith and Ashland have terrific outdoor hard surface courts to use for free. Waterville Valley (red clay), Center Harbor and Holderness School courts are closed. Does Laconia have any courts?
......

Just checked www.waterville.com and opening day is now scheduled for Friday December 4. No Thanksgiving skiing at WV! Has that ever happened before? And, the prices for the already incredibly expensive Threedom Pass is scheduled to go up on December 1. Rots-o-ruck selling higher-priced ski passes while the area is closed!

On the brite side: Waterville Valley has a new & great look'n new entrance sign proclaming it to be the HOME of FREE STYLE SKIING with a full color sign graphic of Wayne Wong doing an inverted aerial manuever...... a very good sign that adds some personality to the drive.

ITD · 11-20-2009, 10:37 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...662092,00.html

SIKSUKR · 11-20-2009, 10:42 AM

FLL,Waterville has had about 8 -10 inches of snow this year.No,it will not be opening for T-day this year.The new proposed opening day is Dec 4.

fatlazyless · 11-20-2009, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

FLL,Waterville has had about 8 -10 inches of snow this year.

Don't believe it unless you are counting 'phantom snow' as reported by people promoting a snow related business. For one day in early November, WV had less than one inch on the ground. Not enough to need a snow scraper......the windshield wipers got it clear.

SIKSUKR · 11-23-2009, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Don't believe it unless you are counting 'phantom snow' as reported by people promoting a snow related business. For one day in early November, WV had less than one inch on the ground. Not enough to need a snow scraper......the windshield wipers got it clear.

I saw it for myself.In October people were hiking up and skiing in 5 inches.

fatlazyless · 11-24-2009, 08:41 AM

...ok....so it snowed in October....today is November 23, the day JFK was shot, and there is no natural snow and no artificial ski snow anywhere in the Valley; no snow on the summits, no white reflections from the various water streams and no snow, no where.

There is a small pile of white chopped ice left by the Zamboni, dumped out last night, out behind the ice arena. So, if anyone wants that, it is available for the taking, probably.

Almost always, over the past 20 years, the Valley floor is white with natural snow from November 8 to April 5.

This November has been excellent for golf and outdoor tennis.........thankyou very much.

HomeWood · 11-28-2009, 03:21 PM

I'm getting rather worried about the mild temps up there. I remember ice forming around Thanksgiving years ago. It needs to get cold fast or I'll be ice fishing from a boat on derby weekend

DRH · 11-28-2009, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomeWood

I'm getting rather worried about the mild temps up there. I remember ice forming around Thanksgiving years ago. It needs to get cold fast or I'll be ice fishing from a boat on derby weekend

No need to worry yet, HomeWood. I checked my Ice-In Watch photos from last year and on 12/28/08 the lake was still open water, and Ice-In was not declared until 1/9/09. So, we still have quite a bit of time for the lake to freeze and be safe for the fishing derby.

Merrymeeting · 11-29-2009, 08:45 AM

My unscientific watch over the past 5-10 years shows we rarely have ice before New Years, but usually close thereafter.

tis · 11-29-2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merrymeeting

My unscientific watch over the past 5-10 years shows we rarely have ice before New Years, but usually close thereafter.

I agree. It is usually January before the lake is all frozen over. The broads really take a long time. I would even say the second or third week is the most usual time.

hazelnut · 11-30-2009, 07:15 PM

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tec...il.controv.cnn

fatlazyless · 12-02-2009, 08:21 AM

Them noisy snowguns have been blasting all night up on Waterville Valley's high country area, up at the top, so it looks like a December 4 opening will be happening. Not sure if Dec 4 is Friday or Saturday?

The big question for Dec 4......will it be tennis....or will it be skiing......good grief.....what to do? Being unemployed can have its' good side...

Merrymeeting · 12-02-2009, 08:28 AM

Mother Nature seems to always be on track, plus or minus 2-3 weeks.

The small fire pond at the end of my road was skimmed over with ice this morning for the first time. Usually happens mid-Novemberish. So, it's coming...just a bit delayed.

fatlazyless · 11-29-2009, 08:46 AM

Just look at all that white stuff. The mountains have some new snow cover up about 3000' and the ski area is tring to make snow. It looks more like gray spray water than white powdered ice that's sprizt'n out the snow guns, up at 3500". Estimated temp up top...maybe 32.

By the color of the green grass,the ground hasn't frozen yet.

Will it be open on Friday.....stay tuned?

What a warm November, it has been! Seeing three tennis playing Meredith women, all about sixty years age, dressed in shorts and tee shirts back on November 11, Veteran's Day, was a little unusual for a November 11 day! November is a cold month.....not in 2009....no way!

phoenix · 11-29-2009, 06:00 PM

water temp now about 5-6 degrees higher than last year. Unless we get a very deep freeze could be January before lake fully freezes over

SIKSUKR · 12-02-2009, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Just look at all that white stuff. The mountains have some new snow cover up about 3000' and the ski area is tring to make snow.

At least 2000 ft. I hiked and skied Cannon on Sunday. We had 12 inches at the base which is at 2000 ft elevation.

fatlazyless · 12-02-2009, 07:48 PM

At Waterville the snow was showing white at about 3000'. No idea of the depth.....probably a slushy inch or two, Probably, the Franconia-Bethlehem area is colder than Waterville, North of the notch gets some different weather moves sometimes.

Waterville is out of their mind if they think they are worth $67.00. After New Years, Mondays and Fridays are twofer days.....maybe before New Years depending on the ski biz this year.

Gunstock has something like a $330 season pass. Any Gunstock deals for Belknap County taxpayers who pay all the highfalluton county salaries, perks and pensions for every retired sheriff & others for the last 40 years?

fatlazyless · 12-03-2009, 08:00 AM

Last night's rain had to be the biggest rainfall since probably August or July. It rained a whole lot, heavy, and all night long. The temp is 48. Cannot see the High Country snow-making area, up on top, due to heavy clouds, plus the rain continues to fall but not so heavy now.

Will Watervlle Valley skiing open tomorrow, Dec 4, as announced, or will it get moved back again? As always, only time will tell?

The ground up at 3000' to 4000' elevation may not be frozen, or this rain could have thawed it out. Probably, the ground has to be frozen first for skiable snow to be groomed and skied.

The WV snow phone 603-236-4144 still says that opening day will be November 21 so draw your own conclusion?

Bear Island South · 12-03-2009, 01:27 PM

I put the boat away too early, 69 degrees and sunny today in Southboro, MA

Rattlesnake Guy · 12-03-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Any Gunstock deals for Belknap County taxpayers who pay all the highfalluton county salaries, perks and pensions for every retired sheriff & others for the last 40 years?

It might be better for you to pay for the ski pass "you use" to help keep taxes down for all of us. I know how much you dislike taxes. Us too.

Lucky1 · 12-04-2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Just look at all that white stuff. The mountains have some new snow cover up about 3000' and the ski area is tring to make snow. It looks more like gray spray water than white powdered ice that's sprizt'n out the snow guns, up at 3500". Estimated temp up top...maybe 32.

By the color of the green grass,the ground hasn't frozen yet.

Will it be open on Friday.....stay tuned?

What a warm November, it has been! Seeing three tennis playing Meredith women, all about sixty years age, dressed in shorts and tee shirts back on November 11, Veteran's Day, was a little unusual for a November 11 day! November is a cold month.....not in 2009....no way!

Very wet spring and into summer 2009.

trfour · 12-04-2009, 08:01 PM

Today, folks in Houston TX woke up to the earliest snow ever!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34274883/ns/weather/

Shedwannabe · 12-08-2009, 12:17 PM

Nonewithstanding the recent (very late) cooler change in temperature...

This last decade is the warmest in historical times
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8400905.stm

and the CO2 level is higher than its been in 600,000+ years.

Perhaps that's why the EPA recently (finally) recognized greenhouse gases as a hazard needing regulation:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/sc...gy-environment

methinks ITD was right when he said "No good can come of this....." about the start of this thread..... Reality has a way of dampening the attempted humor of people who deny global warming

ITD · 12-08-2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shedwannabe

Nonewithstanding the recent (very late) cooler change in temperature...

This last decade is the warmest in historical times
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8400905.stm

and the CO2 level is higher than its been in 600,000+ years.

Perhaps that's why the EPA recently (finally) recognized greenhouse gases as a hazard needing regulation:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/sc...gy-environment

methinks ITD was right when he said "No good can come of this....." about the start of this thread..... Reality has a way of dampening the attempted humor of people who deny global warming

They cooked the data Shed, they lied, then threw out the original data, kept only the cooked data. They colluded, ignored contradicting data, schemed to destroy "deniers". They need to be put in jail for this hoax.

Shedwannabe · 12-08-2009, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ITD

They cooked the data Shed, they lied, then threw out the original data, kept only the cooked data. They colluded, ignored contradicting data, schemed to destroy "deniers". They need to be put in jail for this hoax.

Come on, you know that is so wrong. That is a lie being manufactured by the conservative right wing that wants to destroy the earth in its greed, that is not what happened with the stolen emails. Read the real news!

ITD · 12-08-2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shedwannabe

Come on, you know that is so wrong. That is a lie being manufactured by the conservative right wing that wants to destroy the earth in its greed, that is not what happened with the stolen emails. Read the real news!

You are trolling Shed, not the place for this discussion. I would be happy if Don decided to remove both my and your comments on this matter.

I'll leave you with my version of a post in another venue:

Evolution - A theory
Quantum Physics - A theory
_________________________

anthropogenic global warming - "the science is settled"

SIKSUKR · 12-08-2009, 01:56 PM

Here comes the great Right Wing Conspiracy theory.

Lucky1 · 12-08-2009, 01:59 PM

Where is the helpful chat in this? Reasonable people can disagree but why these insults from either camp? I need calm in my life.

Have learned some intersting things from this site though.

Merrymeeting · 12-08-2009, 02:10 PM

Keeping this post focused on Lakes Region temps and impact...

Based on the 7-10 day forecast, we should see quickly declining water temps over the next few weeks. Small ponds here in N-central MA have stated keeping their ice skim well into the day, and I expect to start seeing ice on the edges of the larger ones any day now.

With temps well below freezing at night, and barely above freezing (if at all) during the day, the water gives up heat quickly. I'd say we're on track for a normal ice in early January (+/- a few weeks)

(For those who would like to continue to debate the larger global warming/cooling subject, please do so in another forum more appropriate to the topic)

11-20-2009, 09:57 AM	#2
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,740 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	So, how is the skiing? Waterville Valley was scheduled to open on Nov 20, which is today. Taking a look back over the last 25 years, the ground in the valley should be white with natural snow cover from Nov 8 to Apr 5. Not this year; the ground is not even frozen yet, there has been no natural snowfall, no artificial snow-making, and today it is raining heavy with temp 53 degrees. Will the ski areas be open for Thanksgiving, Nov 26? Hey, it's been a terrific November for utdr tennis! Meredith and Ashland have terrific outdoor hard surface courts to use for free. Waterville Valley (red clay), Center Harbor and Holderness School courts are closed. Does Laconia have any courts? ...... Just checked www.waterville.com and opening day is now scheduled for Friday December 4. No Thanksgiving skiing at WV! Has that ever happened before? And, the prices for the already incredibly expensive Threedom Pass is scheduled to go up on December 1. Rots-o-ruck selling higher-priced ski passes while the area is closed! On the brite side: Waterville Valley has a new & great look'n new entrance sign proclaming it to be the HOME of FREE STYLE SKIING with a full color sign graphic of Wayne Wong doing an inverted aerial manuever...... a very good sign that adds some personality to the drive. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 01-09-2010 at 09:57 AM.

11-20-2009, 10:42 AM	#4
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	FLL,Waterville has had about 8 -10 inches of snow this year.No,it will not be opening for T-day this year.The new proposed opening day is Dec 4. __________________ SIKSUKR

11-24-2009, 08:41 AM	#7
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,740 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	...ok....so it snowed in October....today is November 23, the day JFK was shot, and there is no natural snow and no artificial ski snow anywhere in the Valley; no snow on the summits, no white reflections from the various water streams and no snow, no where. There is a small pile of white chopped ice left by the Zamboni, dumped out last night, out behind the ice arena. So, if anyone wants that, it is available for the taking, probably. Almost always, over the past 20 years, the Valley floor is white with natural snow from November 8 to April 5. This November has been excellent for golf and outdoor tennis.........thankyou very much. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 12-03-2009 at 09:47 AM.

12-02-2009, 08:21 AM	#13
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,740 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	....roar! Them noisy snowguns have been blasting all night up on Waterville Valley's high country area, up at the top, so it looks like a December 4 opening will be happening. Not sure if Dec 4 is Friday or Saturday? The big question for Dec 4......will it be tennis....or will it be skiing......good grief.....what to do? Being unemployed can have its' good side... __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

11-29-2009, 08:46 AM	#15
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,740 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	Just look at all that white stuff. The mountains have some new snow cover up about 3000' and the ski area is tring to make snow. It looks more like gray spray water than white powdered ice that's sprizt'n out the snow guns, up at 3500". Estimated temp up top...maybe 32. By the color of the green grass,the ground hasn't frozen yet. Will it be open on Friday.....stay tuned? What a warm November, it has been! Seeing three tennis playing Meredith women, all about sixty years age, dressed in shorts and tee shirts back on November 11, Veteran's Day, was a little unusual for a November 11 day! November is a cold month.....not in 2009....no way! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 11-30-2009 at 07:43 PM.

11-11-2009, 01:08 PM	#1
Shedwannabe Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Laconia Posts: 133 Thanks: 3 Thanked 22 Times in 15 Posts	Not that I'm complaining... ...but how did the title of this thread get changed from the provocative trollish "Global Warming" to the more appropriate "Warm Weather"? Now if only the comments in this thread were changed from the trollish "Diss Global Warming...smirk, smirk" to an appreciation of there (finally) being some nice fall weather... even if it is the result of human activity

11-20-2009, 10:37 AM	#3
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,925 Thanks: 476 Thanked 691 Times in 387 Posts	http://www.spiegel.de/international/...662092,00.html

11-28-2009, 03:21 PM	#8
HomeWood Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Clayton,NC / Sanbornton,NH Posts: 611 Thanks: 126 Thanked 137 Times in 75 Posts	I'm getting rather worried about the mild temps up there. I remember ice forming around Thanksgiving years ago. It needs to get cold fast or I'll be ice fishing from a boat on derby weekend

11-29-2009, 08:45 AM	#10
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,226 Thanks: 302 Thanked 800 Times in 368 Posts	My unscientific watch over the past 5-10 years shows we rarely have ice before New Years, but usually close thereafter.

11-30-2009, 07:15 PM	#12
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tec...il.controv.cnn

12-02-2009, 08:28 AM	#14
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,226 Thanks: 302 Thanked 800 Times in 368 Posts	Mother Nature seems to always be on track, plus or minus 2-3 weeks. The small fire pond at the end of my road was skimmed over with ice this morning for the first time. Usually happens mid-Novemberish. So, it's coming...just a bit delayed.

11-29-2009, 06:00 PM	#16
phoenix Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: phoenix and moultonboro Posts: 1,550 Thanks: 60 Thanked 275 Times in 193 Posts	water temp now about 5-6 degrees higher than last year. Unless we get a very deep freeze could be January before lake fully freezes over __________________ it's tough to make predictions specially about the future

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12-02-2009, 07:48 PM	#18
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,740 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	At Waterville the snow was showing white at about 3000'. No idea of the depth.....probably a slushy inch or two, Probably, the Franconia-Bethlehem area is colder than Waterville, North of the notch gets some different weather moves sometimes. Waterville is out of their mind if they think they are worth $67.00. After New Years, Mondays and Fridays are twofer days.....maybe before New Years depending on the ski biz this year. Gunstock has something like a $330 season pass. Any Gunstock deals for Belknap County taxpayers who pay all the highfalluton county salaries, perks and pensions for every retired sheriff & others for the last 40 years? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

12-03-2009, 08:00 AM	#19
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,740 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	...monster rain storm Last night's rain had to be the biggest rainfall since probably August or July. It rained a whole lot, heavy, and all night long. The temp is 48. Cannot see the High Country snow-making area, up on top, due to heavy clouds, plus the rain continues to fall but not so heavy now. Will Watervlle Valley skiing open tomorrow, Dec 4, as announced, or will it get moved back again? As always, only time will tell? The ground up at 3000' to 4000' elevation may not be frozen, or this rain could have thawed it out. Probably, the ground has to be frozen first for skiable snow to be groomed and skied. The WV snow phone 603-236-4144 still says that opening day will be November 21 so draw your own conclusion? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

12-03-2009, 01:27 PM	#20
Bear Island South Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Southboro, MA Posts: 579 Thanks: 75 Thanked 384 Times in 170 Posts	I put the boat away too early, 69 degrees and sunny today in Southboro, MA

12-04-2009, 08:01 PM	#23
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Get Them Ski's Waxed, "@ :) Q"... Today, folks in Houston TX woke up to the earliest snow ever! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34274883/ns/weather/ __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

12-08-2009, 12:17 PM	#24
Shedwannabe Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Laconia Posts: 133 Thanks: 3 Thanked 22 Times in 15 Posts	Warm Weather indeed! (or back to the original title of this thread: Global Warming") Nonewithstanding the recent (very late) cooler change in temperature... This last decade is the warmest in historical times http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8400905.stm and the CO2 level is higher than its been in 600,000+ years. Perhaps that's why the EPA recently (finally) recognized greenhouse gases as a hazard needing regulation: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/sc...gy-environment methinks ITD was right when he said "No good can come of this....." about the start of this thread..... Reality has a way of dampening the attempted humor of people who deny global warming

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12-08-2009, 01:56 PM	#28
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Here we go Here comes the great Right Wing Conspiracy theory. __________________ SIKSUKR

12-08-2009, 01:59 PM	#29
Lucky1 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Moultonborough and FL Posts: 459 Thanks: 318 Thanked 123 Times in 53 Posts	Hmmmmm Where is the helpful chat in this? Reasonable people can disagree but why these insults from either camp? I need calm in my life. Have learned some intersting things from this site though.

12-08-2009, 02:10 PM	#30
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,226 Thanks: 302 Thanked 800 Times in 368 Posts	Keeping this post focused on Lakes Region temps and impact... Based on the 7-10 day forecast, we should see quickly declining water temps over the next few weeks. Small ponds here in N-central MA have stated keeping their ice skim well into the day, and I expect to start seeing ice on the edges of the larger ones any day now. With temps well below freezing at night, and barely above freezing (if at all) during the day, the water gives up heat quickly. I'd say we're on track for a normal ice in early January (+/- a few weeks) (For those who would like to continue to debate the larger global warming/cooling subject, please do so in another forum more appropriate to the topic)

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