Shout out to Carver Captain

[DMAX]

I've seen this happean multiple times this year, these people don't pay attention or they just don't care. When ever we approch a cove or where ever my wake would cause a problem I'm off the gas well before I enter the area, its just common sense and courtesy. Not saying I'm perfect but C'mon.

[Kracken]

According to NH Department of Safety; The operator/owner of the boat is responsible for damage caused by his/her wake. (it was on the the Boat-Ed test)

Now proving it is responsible for the wake, that might be the hard part.


Try this: http://tinyurl.com/2vvzc9b

[upthesaukee]

Chunt: Don't forget that you have a duty to report the accident under the provisions of RSA 270:1-a if damage is over $2000 or any injuries.

Certainly your damage could push that threshold and the loss of a TV and rug damage alone would be some expense for your friends as well.

Good luck in getting justice.

[Irrigation Guy]

In the US Coast Guard Aux class I took way back when it was taught that you are responsible for your wake and the damage it may cause all the way to shore.

I would consult with your insurance company as they would likely advise you if they would like to recover the cost of repairs from the owners.

Please let us know how you make out.

I also agree with DMax. It is common courtesy to slow before before entering an anchorage(area with anchored boats) especially one with rafted boats.

[jrc]

My boat was damaged rafting back there a few years ago. It's the reason I don't raft much anymore. You really need huge fenders and a good match up with your neighbors boat to raft in those wakes.

Unfortunately many boaters don't understand wakes. I've seen people slow from reasonable speed to max wake speed in the mistaken desire to help. I Also see a lot of people who just don't get it, riding around with their bows stuck in the air.

You can chase down the offender and try to extract money from him or his insurance company but I will be difficult. He will deny he made the wake. He will say you should not of been rafting in traffic.

[OCDACTIVE]

This is terrible... Very sorry to hear of the damage, but in one respect I wanted to thank you for posting. The more times we hear of incidents like this the more people will be made aware of their actions.

I also had this happen to me one year in Braun Bay. It doesn't sound as if my situation was as damaging but still a cruiser came into the bay and didn't slow until 150 feet away from the rafters. While he may have been observing the safe passage law, he didn't take into consideration the monsterous wake that followed up behind him tossing all the boats around. The boat rafted off my party boat lifted up and the fender hit the side of the party boat with such force it dented in the side of the aluminum siding.

An area where I think they should reconsider extending the NWZ is when you come through Long Island Bridge. If you come in from the Broads by Trexlers on a summer weekend there are always a ton of boats rafted to the right of the bridge as you pass under. As a child I remember that there was a NWZ out to the red marker about 500 ft pass the bridge. Now people take off 150 ft out of the bridge causing some rather large wakes for the people rafting. I always try to make sure I wait until the red marker if not further depending on how crowded it is, to make sure I don't throw a wake into the rafters. Just common courtesey in my opinion.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

An area where I think they should reconsider extending the NWZ is when you come through Long Island Bridge. If you come in from the Broads by Trexlers on a summer weekend there are always a ton of boats rafted to the right of the bridge as you pass under. As a child I remember that there was a NWZ out to the red marker about 500 ft pass the bridge. Now people take off 150 ft out of the bridge causing some rather large wakes for the people rafting. I always try to make sure I wait until the red marker if not further depending on how crowded it is, to make sure I don't throw a wake into the rafters. Just common courtesey in my opinion.

I somewhat agree, although an idea that has been floated on this forum may be the perfect solution to this area. This area is only of concern during the summer months when folks are rafting and swimming in that area, rest of the year it's usually empty, and it's probably not very crowded during the week. I've also seen some folks that decide to drop a hook fairly close to the bridge which in and of itself may be legal but asking for it considering that's a pretty busy area for boat traffic. Anyways I digress...this may be the perfect candidate for a weekend only NWZ from Memorial Day through Labor day. Of course this would cause some level of confusion and would be interesting to enforce, but don't know till you try. I'd really hate to see a permanent NWZ there since this is not usually a problem 75% of the year.

As you said though common sense should come into play and any operator should be courteous enough to get well beyond any area where rafters and day anchored boats are parked as to not kick up a huge wake. If only common sense and courtesy was in greater supply there would be no need to even consider a NWZ there in the first place.

I just fear that now NWZ's are becoming a perceived solution for everything. They certainly have merit in some locations, but I'd hate to see every spot where navigation may get a little tight or wakes could be a potential problem will become a NWZ in the old monkey see monkey do fashion.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

I think this month, about 75% of the lake has been proposed to be one giant NWZ, and 100% of the lake a noise-free zone. Going to be a pretty calm lake from here on out.

Now for those planes flying overhead?

That would be funny if there wasn't so much truth to it

[Belmont Resident]

Call the MP and report the boat next time. I've been in that area before with those same people parked in front of us. From my observation I'd be willing to bet if they got pulled over by the MP there might be someone getting bagged for BWI.
They always tend to be a loud partying group and I believe they are out of Mountain View.
As for the comment by Non voting tax payer, spoken like a true out of starter.
Which is why we love to take your $ and see you leave.

[sa meredith]

Yesterday (as well as many other days) we anchored at the sand bar near the entrance to West Alton Marina. I am always amazed at the number of boats that wait to the very last second to power down at the entrance to that channel. I mean, they can easily see a dozen or so boats anchored right along the front of the sand bar, and yet blow right by them, with no regard for the wake they are creating. When they enter the channel, I'll often waive and say "hey, thanks alot pal" but many times the idiots think we are just waiving to them, and return the waive.

[Lakegeezer]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

Y I'll often waive and say "hey, thanks alot pal" but many times the idiots think we are just waiving to them, and return the waive.

You are using too many fingers when you wave

[Lakepilot]

Earlier this year, in the same area, a large cruiser (around 35') passed us at max. wake speed. It was a narrow area and there was no way to avoid his wake. Frankly I was dumfounded that another boater would be so callous. We were in a 25' Cobalt and had we been in anything smaller, he'd have sunk us. I didn't get the name on the boat.

[gravy boat]

Seems that some folks trade common courtsey for money on this lake. I guess it's a rare occasion when the two coexist.

Just sayin.....

GB

[jack1706]

Gravy boat--

I have to disagree.... they probably "don't " have any money
( & wish they had, or ACT like they do)

My experiences are just the reverse..... Alot of people with $$$
( & you couldn't guess who they are ) are the most considerate , gracious, & caring & generous people...

just saying......

[ishoot308]

Let's not group everyone rich or poor in any one category. For heaven sake this is one boat that did a stupid thing and caused a big wake and accidental damage to someone else's boat. It's not like we have the "crips" and "bloods" having turf / water wars on Winni!

Dan

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Let's not group everyone, rich or poor in any one category. For heaven sake this is one boat that did a stupid thing and caused a big wake and accidental damage to someones boat. It's not like we have the "crips" and "bloods" having turf / water wars on Winni!

Dan

Yeah the minute something like this happens, I will be putting my place up for sale faster than I could read the news headline

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

It's not like we have the "crips" and "bloods" having turf / water wars on Winni!

Dan

Correct ! We have those fire dancing people on Cow I shooting hotdogs and them we have the rest of us civilized people. But soon, very soon, they'll get their dogs returned with a relish ! Errr, I mean spuds.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

"...I also agree with DMax. It is common courtesy to slow before before entering an anchorage (area with anchored boats) especially one with rafted boats..."

1) Yesterday, with one mile yet to go to a popular rafting location, a large cruiser slowed to about headway speed upon entering Winter Harbor. I'd like to thank the Captain on behalf of all Winter Harbor residents and rafters.

Unfortunately, I couldn't read the second part of the boat's name. The first part was "Happy..."

2) In the space of a few seconds off a Tuftonboro red marker, a "BayR" boat sped within 40' of me...then a Jet-Ski squeezed between me and the marker—with just 20' to spare! He waved—but how could I (in good conscience) return the wave?

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Let's not group everyone rich or poor in any one category. For heaven sake this is one boat that did a stupid thing and caused a big wake and accidental damage to someone else's boat. It's not like we have the "crips" and "bloods" having turf / water wars on Winni!

Dan

Originally Posted by AC2717

Yeah the minute something like this happens, I will be putting my place up for sale faster than I could read the news headline

C'mon, get over it! (Somebody said)

[NonVoting Taxpayer]

Belmont Resident - I only questioned whether any boating laws had been broken in response to Dave R saying they should file a complaint. Don't read negativity into every post which is made on this forum.
Just because I can't vote where my second house is doesn't mean I live out of state.

[Belmont Resident]

Due to the speed limit many are trading up to the big cruisers and ditching their performance boats.
Could be a sign of things to come on the lake.
I saw 2 great big and what looked to be brandy new carvers cruising past Shep Browns on their way towards Center Harbor today.
These boats at any speed would and were leaving huge wakes.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Due to the speed limit many are trading up to the big cruisers and ditching their performance boats.
Could be a sign of things to come on the lake.
I saw 2 great big and what looked to be brandy new carvers cruising past Shep Browns on their way towards Center Harbor today.
These boats at any speed would and were leaving huge wakes.

I think they were Regals, I saw them at the CH town docks around 1PM. They looked like twins to each other and were pretty sharp looking.

[mastercraft]

I really think everyone should just shut up and let things be. You chased away the speed boat, now everyone has something wrong with the big boats on the lake. When really the speed boats did nothing wrong. If it was the noise on the lake you didn’t like then don’t move here. Kind of like buying a house in the weirs if you don’t like bike week. The real problem on the lake is the people that don’t know what they are doing. I have lived on the lake my whole life and we have had them all. Big boat, little boat, speed boat, wood boat. I don’t see anyone saying the wood boats must go because of the noise OR the mail boat because the wake is too much. Soon with all of you people that have nothing better to do then cry about all of your problems on the lake everyone will have to have the same size boat same color same number of people in it ect....

For the people that there boat got damaged that does suck! But next time you will tie up better or something. Just think, you had a bad day because of that. Now where ever the boat goes to get fixed has a good day.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by mastercraft

If it was the noise on the lake you didn’t like then don’t move here. Kind of like buying a house in the weirs if you don’t like bike week.

Kind of like buying a house next to a highway, getting a good price and then complaining to the state until they build a noise mitigation wall!

[AC2717]

Part of the problem is, and I am not saying it is the case,
that people would rather have the government and regulators take up their single mind or minority point of view and let them run with it instead of people taking these small personsal matters into their own hands

Not saying all matters should be dealt with on their own accord, but stuff like this, the speed limit, the noise, all this bogus non ecominc issues should be left alone by the goverenment and let the people choose

Do not buy up here and then try to change things to the way you want it, which is what is being allowed to happen, rich, poor, speed boat, non power boat, all that.

But most importantly people must remember places evolve over time for the better and for the worst, and no one knows which way till it has already evolved again

YOu have the option to leave, not buy, accept it, or change with it. Again not saying this is the case for all problems and subjects. The one thing to take otu of this is this: Once the government steps in, for good or worse in your eyes, that becomes the law of the land and then there are no more alternatives, and that is tried and true no matter what side of an arguement you are on

People need to be considerate yes! and I tried to be, but that is not the case or others see what you are doing to not be considerate when you think you are, so you have to prepare yourself for that in all cases of life.

What's that saying S$*# happens, get over it, Yes it does suck that is happened, and yes it does suck that for some reason others try to press their veiws on others up here and it works sometimes, when all jsut need to sit back and just enjoy the area for what it is and let everyone enjoy it the way they want to, but with safety in mind

Instead of all these tests and rules there should be one test for everything in life and that should be nothing more than a COMMON SENSE TEST!
If you do not have common sense then in any aspect of life there will be problems
Take driving for example, are signs really needed, well not really if you have common sense and that is what is lacking

Can I get an AMEN!! Ok off the box now

[sa meredith]

Originally Posted by mastercraft

I really think everyone should just shut up and let things be. You chased away the speed boat, now everyone has something wrong with the big boats on the lake. When really the speed boats did nothing wrong. If it was the noise on the lake you didn’t like then don’t move here. Kind of like buying a house in the weirs if you don’t like bike week. The real problem on the lake is the people that don’t know what they are doing. I have lived on the lake my whole life and we have had them all. Big boat, little boat, speed boat, wood boat. I don’t see anyone saying the wood boats must go because of the noise OR the mail boat because the wake is too much. Soon with all of you people that have nothing better to do then cry about all of your problems on the lake everyone will have to have the same size boat same color same number of people in it ect....

For the people that there boat got damaged that does suck! But next time you will tie up better or something. Just think, you had a bad day because of that. Now where ever the boat goes to get fixed has a good day.

Just curious if telling everyone to "shut up" is a good way to introduce your point of view...me thinks, well, not so much...
I don't think the thread is about chasing away big boats at all...and I don't think the original poster (chunt) needs to "tie up better or something" as you say.
I think people need to operate theirs boats in a proper and respectful manner. Approaching a sand bar, with many boats anchor...well it's not rocket science. There is just no need to send everyone flying. It's selfish and very irresposible. Please don't suggest that what we should all do is acquiesce to the fools operating their boats this way, and "tie up better" (whatever that means).
And please don't tell me to "shut up". It's not very polite, and it is, after all, a public forum of discussion.

[OCDACTIVE]

[QUOTE=sa meredith;134554]Just curious if telling everyone to "shut up" is a good way to introduce your point of view...me thinks, well, not so much...
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I don't think he was meaning it literally but just making a strong point that people are complaining too much about things that have been part of the lake for all of its boating history. IMO