Shout out to Carver Captain

[sa meredith]

Yesterday (as well as many other days) we anchored at the sand bar near the entrance to West Alton Marina. I am always amazed at the number of boats that wait to the very last second to power down at the entrance to that channel. I mean, they can easily see a dozen or so boats anchored right along the front of the sand bar, and yet blow right by them, with no regard for the wake they are creating. When they enter the channel, I'll often waive and say "hey, thanks alot pal" but many times the idiots think we are just waiving to them, and return the waive.

[Lakegeezer]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

Y I'll often waive and say "hey, thanks alot pal" but many times the idiots think we are just waiving to them, and return the waive.

You are using too many fingers when you wave

[Lakepilot]

Earlier this year, in the same area, a large cruiser (around 35') passed us at max. wake speed. It was a narrow area and there was no way to avoid his wake. Frankly I was dumfounded that another boater would be so callous. We were in a 25' Cobalt and had we been in anything smaller, he'd have sunk us. I didn't get the name on the boat.

[gravy boat]

Seems that some folks trade common courtsey for money on this lake. I guess it's a rare occasion when the two coexist.

Just sayin.....

GB

[jack1706]

Gravy boat--

I have to disagree.... they probably "don't " have any money
( & wish they had, or ACT like they do)

My experiences are just the reverse..... Alot of people with $$$
( & you couldn't guess who they are ) are the most considerate , gracious, & caring & generous people...

just saying......

[ishoot308]

Let's not group everyone rich or poor in any one category. For heaven sake this is one boat that did a stupid thing and caused a big wake and accidental damage to someone else's boat. It's not like we have the "crips" and "bloods" having turf / water wars on Winni!

Dan

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Let's not group everyone, rich or poor in any one category. For heaven sake this is one boat that did a stupid thing and caused a big wake and accidental damage to someones boat. It's not like we have the "crips" and "bloods" having turf / water wars on Winni!

Dan

Yeah the minute something like this happens, I will be putting my place up for sale faster than I could read the news headline

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

It's not like we have the "crips" and "bloods" having turf / water wars on Winni!

Dan

Correct ! We have those fire dancing people on Cow I shooting hotdogs and them we have the rest of us civilized people. But soon, very soon, they'll get their dogs returned with a relish ! Errr, I mean spuds.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

"...I also agree with DMax. It is common courtesy to slow before before entering an anchorage (area with anchored boats) especially one with rafted boats..."

1) Yesterday, with one mile yet to go to a popular rafting location, a large cruiser slowed to about headway speed upon entering Winter Harbor. I'd like to thank the Captain on behalf of all Winter Harbor residents and rafters.

Unfortunately, I couldn't read the second part of the boat's name. The first part was "Happy..."

2) In the space of a few seconds off a Tuftonboro red marker, a "BayR" boat sped within 40' of me...then a Jet-Ski squeezed between me and the marker—with just 20' to spare! He waved—but how could I (in good conscience) return the wave?

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Let's not group everyone rich or poor in any one category. For heaven sake this is one boat that did a stupid thing and caused a big wake and accidental damage to someone else's boat. It's not like we have the "crips" and "bloods" having turf / water wars on Winni!

Dan

Originally Posted by AC2717

Yeah the minute something like this happens, I will be putting my place up for sale faster than I could read the news headline

C'mon, get over it! (Somebody said)

[NonVoting Taxpayer]

Belmont Resident - I only questioned whether any boating laws had been broken in response to Dave R saying they should file a complaint. Don't read negativity into every post which is made on this forum.
Just because I can't vote where my second house is doesn't mean I live out of state.

[Belmont Resident]

Due to the speed limit many are trading up to the big cruisers and ditching their performance boats.
Could be a sign of things to come on the lake.
I saw 2 great big and what looked to be brandy new carvers cruising past Shep Browns on their way towards Center Harbor today.
These boats at any speed would and were leaving huge wakes.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Due to the speed limit many are trading up to the big cruisers and ditching their performance boats.
Could be a sign of things to come on the lake.
I saw 2 great big and what looked to be brandy new carvers cruising past Shep Browns on their way towards Center Harbor today.
These boats at any speed would and were leaving huge wakes.

I think they were Regals, I saw them at the CH town docks around 1PM. They looked like twins to each other and were pretty sharp looking.

[mastercraft]

I really think everyone should just shut up and let things be. You chased away the speed boat, now everyone has something wrong with the big boats on the lake. When really the speed boats did nothing wrong. If it was the noise on the lake you didn’t like then don’t move here. Kind of like buying a house in the weirs if you don’t like bike week. The real problem on the lake is the people that don’t know what they are doing. I have lived on the lake my whole life and we have had them all. Big boat, little boat, speed boat, wood boat. I don’t see anyone saying the wood boats must go because of the noise OR the mail boat because the wake is too much. Soon with all of you people that have nothing better to do then cry about all of your problems on the lake everyone will have to have the same size boat same color same number of people in it ect....

For the people that there boat got damaged that does suck! But next time you will tie up better or something. Just think, you had a bad day because of that. Now where ever the boat goes to get fixed has a good day.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by mastercraft

If it was the noise on the lake you didn’t like then don’t move here. Kind of like buying a house in the weirs if you don’t like bike week.

Kind of like buying a house next to a highway, getting a good price and then complaining to the state until they build a noise mitigation wall!

[AC2717]

Part of the problem is, and I am not saying it is the case,
that people would rather have the government and regulators take up their single mind or minority point of view and let them run with it instead of people taking these small personsal matters into their own hands

Not saying all matters should be dealt with on their own accord, but stuff like this, the speed limit, the noise, all this bogus non ecominc issues should be left alone by the goverenment and let the people choose

Do not buy up here and then try to change things to the way you want it, which is what is being allowed to happen, rich, poor, speed boat, non power boat, all that.

But most importantly people must remember places evolve over time for the better and for the worst, and no one knows which way till it has already evolved again

YOu have the option to leave, not buy, accept it, or change with it. Again not saying this is the case for all problems and subjects. The one thing to take otu of this is this: Once the government steps in, for good or worse in your eyes, that becomes the law of the land and then there are no more alternatives, and that is tried and true no matter what side of an arguement you are on

People need to be considerate yes! and I tried to be, but that is not the case or others see what you are doing to not be considerate when you think you are, so you have to prepare yourself for that in all cases of life.

What's that saying S$*# happens, get over it, Yes it does suck that is happened, and yes it does suck that for some reason others try to press their veiws on others up here and it works sometimes, when all jsut need to sit back and just enjoy the area for what it is and let everyone enjoy it the way they want to, but with safety in mind

Instead of all these tests and rules there should be one test for everything in life and that should be nothing more than a COMMON SENSE TEST!
If you do not have common sense then in any aspect of life there will be problems
Take driving for example, are signs really needed, well not really if you have common sense and that is what is lacking

Can I get an AMEN!! Ok off the box now

[VtSteve]

For those that have boated for many years, decades perhaps, none of these stories are new to you. Perhaps the older folks on the board grew up enjoying the lake in the 60's, 70's, early (early) 80's. We had family and friends on the lake, and we had an older generation that showed us common sense and courtesy by example. There were still boneheads, huge cruiser wakes, some folks shaking their fists as 4' rollers crashed into their docks. Winni was a very busy place way back then, and it grew more congested during the ensuing years.

We did crafty things back then. Knowing full well what happens on summer weekends, we tried mooring whips, cross cradle lines, even Shore Stations when they appeared, all to alleviate the issues of constant weekend wakes. We learned not to work on the boat at the dock on Saturday afternoons. We learned that Deep Vees were much better at cruising through the big weekend wakes. But rarely did it stop us from boating or enjoying the heck out of the lake. And hardly ever did we seek personal relationships with the NH Legislators, or form organizations to form lobbying groups.

People bombed around in their boats, big cruisers cruised, people paddled, rowed, or just went put put around their favorite areas. Even when younger, I probably wished there wasn't a single huge cruiser on the lake. But we learned to accept them, just as we accepted every boat, noisy, quiet, paddle powered or wind driven.

When older, more perspective was gained. But people that have been on the waters all their lives have totally different perspectives (mostly) than those that just started out as adults. While I accept all but the most arrogant and even dangerous boaters, I also realize many of those people I shake my head at probably have no clue (as someone else mentioned here). You'd think after awhile they'd catch on, given that they're bound to have been in your situation at one time or another. Surprisingly, many don't.

For instance. I've had the pleasure () of being anchored in my favorite spot while one happy group has been enjoying tubing. Now this is a spot where people come down from Canada, the bay, everywhere to enjoy shelter from the wind, and beautiful sandy beaches and shallow water. Often filled with many boats, ranging from small bowriders to 55' cruisers.

These happy folks typically start tubing from near the beach area, and pull the tube in between several boats. Not content to go headway speed, they always are going above 15 mph to make sure they have a decent wake. Mind you, at any given point in time, they have probably passed at least three dozen anchored boats This happened on four separate weekends before I finally realized this was not a very rational person. Bear in mind, we had been hit by plow wakes inside thirty feet, so our boat had rocked back and forth rather swiftly.

I had a little discussion with the captain of said boat once. We discussed boat wakes, danger of getting the prop tangled in anchor lines, all of these crazy laws we've had in place for a million years. I got a lesson in fun, kids tubing, minding my own business, and anchoring somewhere else. I'm not sure what the other gazillion boats thought of these guys. But one day, opportunity struck Hardly anyone was there on fine Saturday afternoon. But there they were, anchored with two lines about 50' from the beach. Perfect time I said to myself.

Trimmed down, port side to his bow, perhaps 50' away, I went looking for just that perfect spot to anchor

Yes, I did, and I did it more than once I'm sorry, but it was great fun, and the look on his surprised face was absolutely priceless.

Guess what?

Same bonehead one Sunday afternoon this year, same thing. So now there's a really nice local cop looking for just the right moment to generate some revenue so he can fill his tank up more often.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by AC2717

Part of the problem is, and I am not saying it is the case,
that people would rather have the government and regulators take up their single mind or minority point of view and let them run with it instead of people taking these small personsal matters into their own hands

We seem to be oversimplifying here.
We've heard it said on this forum that if you want to see the results of a country with minimal laws one can go to Somalia. And you can see what happens there when people take "matters into their own hands".

Originally Posted by AC2717

Not saying all matters should be dealt with on their own accord, but stuff like this, the speed limit, the noise, all this bogus non ecominc issues should be left alone by the goverenment and let the people choose

Our government in Concord is elected by the people. The people do choose.

Originally Posted by AC2717

when all jsut need to sit back and just enjoy the area for what it is and let everyone enjoy it the way they want to, but with safety in mind

Instead of all these tests and rules there should be one test for everything in life and that should be nothing more than a COMMON SENSE TEST!
If you do not have common sense then in any aspect of life there will be problems

Some people's idea of common sense can be at the far end of the bell curve. Someone may feel its OK to leave their stereo up all night...glad there are laws against disturbing the peace. We heard from Shreddy of how he likes all his toys loud (and from a few of his critics about how he ruins snowmobiling for everyone). And yes, we all do pay a price for a few (really) bad apples ...I'm not a terrorist but have to take off my shoes at the airport for example.

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

We seem to be oversimplifying here.
We've heard it said on this forum that if you want to see the results of a country with minimal laws one can go to Somalia. And you can see what happens there when people take "matters into their own hands".


Our government in Concord is elected by the people. The people do choose.



Some people's idea of common sense can be at the far end of the bell curve. Someone may feel its OK to leave their stereo up all night...glad there are laws against disturbing the peace. We heard from Shreddy of how he likes all his toys loud (and from a few of his critics about how he ruins snowmobiling for everyone). And yes, we all do pay a price for a few (really) bad apples ...I'm not a terrorist but have to take off my shoes at the airport for example.

This is exactly what I am talking about, Jumping to extremes. Looking at Somalia, yeah you have to take into consideration the quality of life and also the quality of people you are dealing with before you jump to an extreme example of all day warfare because of corrupt lawless-ness. I would harbor a guess that people of the United States would not alllow themselves to fall into that type of lifestyle.

Now onto the people choosing, youa re correct in the fact that they choose but most ideas for politicans coem from their constiuates and they decide to ride that wave or not

Again jumping to extremes about people taking matters into thier own hands, does not mean going out there with a gun, knife, or anything else it SIMPLY means feel out the others involved and then react, not just simply go crying because someone spilled your milk, while not going over and shooting someone because they spilled your milk. It means making educated and sometimes calculated decisions on how to handle the situation infront of you instead of having someone else handle it for you

Life can be simple, and I have no problem taking my shoes off at the airport as well, safety - which falls under my common sense theory, is common sense

[fatlazyless]

Ahoy there: motorboat!


While some locations around the lake do not appreciate large wakes, the Buoy 3 area definately wants to attract all the large wakes it can get! Bring them on, the big wakes, and send them rolling down toward the shore. As a kayaker, big wakes are big fun; maybe like surfing or something, and those wakes are appreciated especially now with the water temperature a toasty 76 degrees. Big wakes are great for kayaking, canoing, and swimming....so three cheers for big wakes. The more the better! If anyone wants to make Buoy 3 the Big Wake Capital.....that will be just fine.....and thanks in advance!

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by AC2717

This is exactly what I am talking about, Jumping to extremes. Looking at Somalia, yeah you have to take into consideration the quality of life and also the quality of people you are dealing with before you jump to an extreme example of all day warfare because of corrupt lawless-ness. I would harbor a guess that people of the United States would not alllow themselves to fall into that type of lifestyle.

Now onto the people choosing, youa re correct in the fact that they choose but most ideas for politicans coem from their constiuates and they decide to ride that wave or not

Again jumping to extremes about people taking matters into thier own hands, does not mean going out there with a gun, knife, or anything else it SIMPLY means feel out the others involved and then react, not just simply go crying because someone spilled your milk, while not going over and shooting someone because they spilled your milk. It means making educated and sometimes calculated decisions on how to handle the situation infront of you instead of having someone else handle it for you

Life can be simple, and I have no problem taking my shoes off at the airport as well, safety - which falls under my common sense theory, is common sense

I believe that Thomas Jefferson had a brilliant thought which I think is noteworthy....

Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.


What I find noteworthy here is that he references "liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others" which is a very important distinction to point out and something that has been lost in today's society. For lack of respect and consideration for our fellow citizens is at face value a violation of the rights of others no matter which side of any argument or action you may fall on. So as a result laws are created to maintain a civilized society and to curb certain behaviors as to preserve the ideal of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all.

No society can be civilized and lawless at the same time, however creating an over abundance of laws does not equate to a civilized utopia either. This is why we must be very careful in how societies problems are addressed when it comes to any kind of legislative action for if it goes to far results in a tyrannical oppressive government. Unfortunately today everyone is all to quick to enact laws re-actively instead of considering the effectiveness of such actions and to what extent it interferes with the overall freedoms of our society as a whole.

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I believe that Thomas Jefferson had a brilliant thought which I think is noteworthy....

Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.


What I find noteworthy here is that he references "liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others" which is a very important distinction to point out and something that has been lost in today's society. For lack of respect and consideration for our fellow citizens is at face value a violation of the rights of others no matter which side of any argument or action you may fall on. So as a result laws are created to maintain a civilized society and to curb certain behaviors as to preserve the ideal of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all.

No society can be civilized and lawless at the same time, however creating an over abundance of laws does not equate to a civilized utopia either. This is why we must be very careful in how societies problems are addressed when it comes to any kind of legislative action for if it goes to far results in a tyrannical oppressive government. Unfortunately today everyone is all to quick to enact laws re-actively instead of considering the effectiveness of such actions and to what extent it interferes with the overall freedoms of our society as a whole.

'nough said, well put Mr Jefferson, and excellent interpretation Maxum!

[No-Mo-Shun]

CHUNT, I'm sorry you had damage to your boat and to the other boat. Sounds like the skipper of the wake maker is brainless as far as vessel operation is concerned. There is however, a way to prevent this kind of damage; DON'T RAFT!! It is a questionable practise and is not necessary. Simple dinghy over to the boat you wish to visit. Or lacking a dinghy, swim over. You'll most likely have a much nicer visit if you're not worried about damage.
One time I had sailed my Catalina 22 along with a fleet of other Catalina 22's to Santa Cruz Island in Southern California, where we anchored up for the night. The anchorage was super calm and about 15 boats rafted together for the night. My kids and I anchored by ourselves abour 100 yards away. About 6 AM, the wind came up to about 30 knots and tore the raft apart. What a mad scramble to break up the raft and go anchor by themselves.
It's nearly impossible to fender the boats correctly to avoid damage.
The morale of the story is: you never know what size wake will arrive at your boat and you had better be prepared for it's arrival.

[NoBozo]

Speaking of sailboats rafting... Sailboats have an Additional Factor to consider when rafting, and that is The MASTS. When two or more sailboats raft, and a big wake comes by, one boat will roll to starboard and another will roll to port and the masts will crash into each other with sometimes spectacular results.

The solution ..AGAIN.. is to employ that Often Overlooked practice called: Seamanship.

Raft the sailboats with their masts "staggered" fore and aft by a few feet so when the boats roll, the masts will Pass each other instead of colliding. NB

[LakeSnake]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

What I find noteworthy here is that he references "liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others" which is a very important distinction to point out and something that has been lost in today's society. For lack of respect and consideration for our fellow citizens is at face value a violation of the rights of others no matter which side of any argument or action you may fall on. So as a result laws are created to maintain a civilized society and to curb certain behaviors as to preserve the ideal of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all.

I think Maxum, along with a little help from Mr. Jefferson, has put forth the basis of the "problem" with these bonehead people today. "lack of respect and consideration for our fellow citizens" I would say is 50% of the problem. Values like that were taught to me by my partents as part of my upbrining. Where were these peoples parents when it was time to instill those values into thier children? Or did they think it was someone elses resposibility - like the schools? That is the other 50% of the problem.

Some people needed a good dop slap upside the head a long time ago - but never got one.

[Onshore]

I think they passed a law making it illegal to slap your kids upside the head a few years back...

[NoBozo]

Originally Posted by shore things

I think they passed a law making it illegal to slap your kids upside the head a few years back...

TOTALLY. And your Child will call 911 and you will be arrested and put in jail....and they will no longer have a Parent.

NB

[Gatto Nero]

Originally Posted by shore things

I think they passed a law making it illegal to slap your kids upside the head a few years back...

Damn those bureaucrats!

[Onshore]

yes... it's been a steady downward spiral ever since...

[Mee-n-Mac]

And it was only 1983 when Bill Cosby said ...

My father established our relationship when I was seven years old. He looked at me and said, "You know, I brought you in this world, and I can take you out. And it don't make no difference to me, I'll make another one look just like you."

[Shreddy]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

We seem to be oversimplifying here.
We've heard it said on this forum that if you want to see the results of a country with minimal laws one can go to Somalia. And you can see what happens there when people take "matters into their own hands".


Our government in Concord is elected by the people. The people do choose.



Some people's idea of common sense can be at the far end of the bell curve. Someone may feel its OK to leave their stereo up all night...glad there are laws against disturbing the peace. We heard from Shreddy of how he likes all his toys loud (and from a few of his critics about how he ruins snowmobiling for everyone). And yes, we all do pay a price for a few (really) bad apples ...I'm not a terrorist but have to take off my shoes at the airport for example.

Glad I could leave an impact

[sa meredith]

Originally Posted by mastercraft

I really think everyone should just shut up and let things be. You chased away the speed boat, now everyone has something wrong with the big boats on the lake. When really the speed boats did nothing wrong. If it was the noise on the lake you didn’t like then don’t move here. Kind of like buying a house in the weirs if you don’t like bike week. The real problem on the lake is the people that don’t know what they are doing. I have lived on the lake my whole life and we have had them all. Big boat, little boat, speed boat, wood boat. I don’t see anyone saying the wood boats must go because of the noise OR the mail boat because the wake is too much. Soon with all of you people that have nothing better to do then cry about all of your problems on the lake everyone will have to have the same size boat same color same number of people in it ect....

For the people that there boat got damaged that does suck! But next time you will tie up better or something. Just think, you had a bad day because of that. Now where ever the boat goes to get fixed has a good day.

Just curious if telling everyone to "shut up" is a good way to introduce your point of view...me thinks, well, not so much...
I don't think the thread is about chasing away big boats at all...and I don't think the original poster (chunt) needs to "tie up better or something" as you say.
I think people need to operate theirs boats in a proper and respectful manner. Approaching a sand bar, with many boats anchor...well it's not rocket science. There is just no need to send everyone flying. It's selfish and very irresposible. Please don't suggest that what we should all do is acquiesce to the fools operating their boats this way, and "tie up better" (whatever that means).
And please don't tell me to "shut up". It's not very polite, and it is, after all, a public forum of discussion.

[OCDACTIVE]

[QUOTE=sa meredith;134554]Just curious if telling everyone to "shut up" is a good way to introduce your point of view...me thinks, well, not so much...
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I don't think he was meaning it literally but just making a strong point that people are complaining too much about things that have been part of the lake for all of its boating history. IMO