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Old 08-10-2009, 04:27 PM   #1
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Ummm,

I didn't realize that the “opposers” were negotiating terms with the supporters on this forum.

I certainly was not aware that the supporters had the right to be judge and jury here. I am not picking on the supporters, its just as of right now the supporters have the law on their side.

Isn’t the purpose of this forum for all BOATERS to discuss their view points?

Just a thought….

Maybe if every member, opposers, supporters, and people just sitting on the fence could give a speed limit they believe is fair. If you say 45/25 that is fine, if you say unlimited…that’s fine too, it’s just an opinion. Maybe we are not that far apart. If every member could give a number…not a reason, just a number ( I am looking right at you Mee-n-Mac).

I think it would be interesting to see where the boaters of Winnipesaukee stand.
Very Good Post... I believe that the threads original purpose was to discuss peoples views on their thoughts on a compromising law not the merits of the SL in general. There are TONS of threads going and from the past that people can go to for that.

Now that the limits have been in place, although no data has been published, we can discuss the effects and perhaps come to a compromise that "most" everyone can be happy with.

That being said.

Personally I would like UNLIMITED however "in the spirit of compromise"

55 mph daytime on the lake
Unlimited in the broads

35 night time entire lake
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Old 08-10-2009, 05:11 PM   #2
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55 mph daytime on the lake
Unlimited in the broads

35 night time entire lake
Now this is progress.... not that I expected less OCD has always seemed to get the idea of comprimise....

Now OCD, I am definately with you 35 at night I think is more reasonable then 25 which as some have indicated.... makes getting home slow... Hey I blast across the broads at 30 at night myself....

And yep for certain unlimited in the Broads is the only way to go.....

Now I am just curious what made 55 pop out??

As I have often said my perference is to restrict speed in specific area's so I am curious to understand the comprimise to 55, with the broads unlimited.....other then I would imagine the % of boats that can get above 55 are limited....
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Now this is progress.... not that I expected less OCD has always seemed to get the idea of comprimise....

Now OCD, I am definately with you 35 at night I think is more reasonable then 25 which as some have indicated.... makes getting home slow... Hey I blast across the broads at 30 at night myself....

And yep for certain unlimited in the Broads is the only way to go.....

Now I am just curious what made 55 pop out??

As I have often said my perference is to restrict speed in specific area's so I am curious to understand the comprimise to 55, with the broads unlimited.....other then I would imagine the % of boats that can get above 55 are limited....
I brought the 55 again in "the spirit of compromise". Living in the northern coves there are only a few spots that 55 mph is even possible (safely) Suissvale bay (for a short stint), Moultonboro Bay, and Melvin Bay. However I don't want to pretend to know what everyone else is experiencing. So I am trying to think what would be reasonable for me and for the Pro-SL crowd I thought 55mph would work... Hoping to show some of us are at least willing to sit down at the table...
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Old 08-10-2009, 06:20 PM   #4
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I think the best part of the new law, like many others have stated, is the language itself. If one were to look solely at the data from the last 30 years, I doubt a speed limit would pop into (most people's) minds. You have the usual group that doesn't like the sound, blah blah. If We The People in the United States made laws based on people's personal likes and dislikes, the environment we live in today would be Nirvana by comparison.

Lots of discussions between rational people need to take place to even get an accurate gauge of the state of the lake itself. I feel it's way premature to be discussing speed limits and actual numbers when people can't seem to agree on what's right, and more importantly, what's wrong. There are a few people that have speed limit on the brain, and can't seem to discuss anything else. There have been legitimate gripes on both sides that need to be addressed. These issues cannot be discussed in civil fashion if trolls are being fed daily. There's been some bait laid lately, and many have picked up on it. You'll not be able to deal with whatever emotional hangups these folks have, so why bother?

The issues underlying the original law passed were supposedly safety. Since one side has proposed making these permanent because there won't be enough data, the alternative should be pretty obvious. People need to get together on this issue and try to ascertain the real environment on the water. There are many on this very thread that have stated their willingness to discuss specific areas, which I believe would have been part of the original law several years back if compromise had been agreed to then.


What's happening here now is a few vocal, and very proactive SL supporters have decided that it would be fun to irritate the people on board. If it gets bad enough, they surmise, Don will have to shut it down and the most visible forum will be silenced while they do their deeds behind the scenes. Similar to what they did last time. I prefer to let my opponents make total fools of themselves, it's far less stressful, and humorous.

Keep up the good work here people. Just ignore the people that are less than civil, and maybe you'll gain a much larger audience of supporters.
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Old 08-10-2009, 05:13 PM   #5
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A 30' Outlaw can plane at 19 mph? WoW! That's pretty damn good. I bet the test was done on salt water where the water is heavier and the boat can get on plane easier. Also prop slip is less in salt water.

I have a difficult time getting on plane at 25! As a property owner this is not good and I have stressed many times, 25 at night will cause a lot of shore erosion. But the SL crowd simply don't care about anything but their own agenda!
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A 30' Outlaw can plane at 19 mph? WoW! That's pretty damn good. I bet the test was done on salt water where the water is heavier and the boat can get on plane easier. Also prop slip is less in salt water.

I have a difficult time getting on plane at 25!
I wanted to say it, but figured I would let the debate rest on planing speeds as it has nothing to do with the real issue, but thanks for bringing it up..


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Back on topic with a Compromise I would say day speed of 55mph would be acceptable and night of 25mph I am fine with.

I will say it again...55 during the day if the conditions warrant only.
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