a SIGN of things to come.... Braun Bay

[jrc]

Wow,

I hope it's a hoax, by that I mean placed by someone other than the MP

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by jrc

Wow,

I hope it's a hoax, by that I mean placed by someone other than the MP

I doubt this is a hoax, I was over there Moday, and saw the MP work barge and the RIB over in that area.... I was wondering what they were up too..... I didn't go over to investigate as I had young children aboard and didn't want to risk an altercation.....
I guess now I know........

[sa meredith]

So......they stuck a metal sign in the lake, which is bad enough, but decided to mount it off center, leaning to one side, and use two supports of unequal length??!!

[knowit]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

So......they stuck a metal sign in the lake, which is bad enough, but decided to mount it off center, leaning to one side, and use to supports of unequal length??!!

Marine Patrol did it , remember. We are not talking skilled engineers here. College kids on break.

[NoRegrets]

It is certainly a great place for appealing graffiti.

[VtSteve]

It's a sad commentary on the state of the lake I think. A tremendous amount of anchored boats here are larger sailboats or cruisers, many that have dinghies so they can go to the beach, the city, whatever. On any given weekend, there are many go fasts, bowriders, large cruisers, whatever, rafting or beached or at anchor in many a different bay. In the old days we'd say (nicely) that someone needs to get l@!d or get the pole out of their @ $E.

God only knows what the powers that be will get annoyed at next.

[4Fun]

That sign would look killer in my game room

[Rinkerfam]

That sign would explain why Patrician Shores became a little uncomfortable Sun. afternoon. We stopped going to Braun Bay a few years back. I am all for live and let live, so don't blast me for this, but Braun Bay and Patrician Shores have historically attracted different boating demographics.

[knowit]

Where exactly is Patrician Shores. I was going to go over there after hitting Braun Bay last week but I could not find it on the Bizer. I really wanted to see it.

[VtSteve]

I remember Patrician Shores from way back when. Not bad prices from what I see. How's the tap water there now? It's not too far up from Meredith on the way to Center Harbor. My cousin years and years ago attended the seminary up near there. Nice location.

[WeirsBeachBoater]

This is sad.

[Seeker]

Why do they have a right to put an ugly sign like that in OUR (the residents of NH) lake? I think it just plain sux. Have them put it on one of the complaining property owners' land if it's even legal.

[BroadHopper]

When I was told twice by the MP to leave because I was too close too the neighboring boats. I was there first and it's the other boats that came too close to me! After telling the MPO that, I still had to leave. I don't know why they singled me out. I only have a 22' boat with grandkids.

[Rinkerfam]

I was talking about the shallow sandy area that actually lies between Patrician Shores and Farrar Point. I wasn't actually talking about the property at Patrician Shores. Sorry for the confusion.

[Winnicandle]

A surprise? hardly.....half the posters on this forum crave more Government control in every aspect of their lives, including recreation.

Someone has to protect us from ourselves.

Change.

Yes we can.

[Lake Fan]

Originally Posted by Winnicandle

A surprise? hardly.....half the posters on this forum crave more Government control in every aspect of their lives, including recreation.

Someone has to protect us from ourselves.

Change.

Yes we can.

Couldn't agree more. And who are the rocket scientists who decided that all these "magical" numbers, setbacks, separation distances, etc. are the be-all and end-all to a safe boating experience? You shouldn't need a calculator to figure out if you're okay near another boat anchored in Braun Bay.

[Paugus Bay Resident]

It was probably put up using "stimulus money"

[Wolfeboro_Baja]

I'm wondering why they felt the NEED to put up a sign like that; what was the reasoning? Unbelievable!!!

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by Lake Fan

Couldn't agree more. And who are the rocket scientists who decided that all these "magical" numbers, setbacks, separation distances, etc. are the be-all and end-all to a safe boating experience? You shouldn't need a calculator to figure out if you're okay near another boat anchored in Braun Bay.

I think you are right, there are no laws in the books saying you have to be 25 feet away from another boat correct? Nor that you have to be 75 feet from shore, rule is if you are still in the water you are in a public area, this discussion has happened many times in this forum with lakeside residents and boaters and island owners,

Now I know this sign is not legal, this issue has been raised, discussed and proven many times
Can someone contact MP and tell them this sign is illegal or a state Rep,
me down here in MA will just have it fall on deaf ears

[SBC]

Originally Posted by AC2717

I think you are right, there are no laws in the books saying you have to be 25 feet away from another boat correct? Nor that you have to be 75 feet from shore, rule is if you are still in the water you are in a public area, this discussion has happened many times in this forum with lakeside residents and boaters and island owners,

Now I know this sign is not legal, this issue has been raised, discussed and proven many times
Can someone contact MP and tell them this sign is illegal or a state Rep,
me down here in MA will just have it fall on deaf ears

This may not answer all the questions but may give some weight to the legality of posting a sign. Could save folks a few headaches if they bother to read it,

Here's an excerpt from the rules:

SAF-C 407.03 - Rafting as defined in RSA 270-42 V (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...270/270-42.htm)
shall be prohibited in the following areas of Lake Winnipesaukee unless covered by one of the exceptions specified in RSA 270:45:...

(4) Braun Bay - There shall be no rafting within 300 feet of both fish and game property lines as delineated by Marine Patrol with orange mooring balls.
Boat Restriction - area of Paugus Bay - contact Laconia for regulations. Public Water Supply
(5) Braun Bay at a distance less than 75 feet from shore lines as delineated by Marine Patrol with orange mooring balls.

Among many other locations named.

And to be clear here is the rafting rule:

PART Saf-C 407 RAFTING RULES

(a) In addition to and in conjunction with the requirements of RSA 270:44, no person, except as otherwise provided herein, shall, in a prohibited location or at a prohibited time:

(1) Form or allow a boat which he or she is operating or in charge of to be a member of a raft consisting of 3 or more boats;

(2) Form or allow the boat which he or she is operating or in charge of to be a member of a raft if any part of such raft is:

a. Less than 150 feet from shore; or

b. Less than 50 feet from any other raft; or

c. Less than 50 feet from any occupied single boat which is stationary upon the waters of the same lake or pond; and

(3) Anchor a single boat and cause it to remain stationary upon the waters of a lake or pond other than momentarily if any part of such boat is:

a. Less than 150 feet from shore; or

b. Less than 50 feet away from any raft; or

c. Less than 25 feet away from any other single boat which is stationary upon the waters of such lake or pond.

[Tank151]

This is pretty sad. Watch shorthly, they'll be similar signs posted all over the lake! If the MP did place this sign, they should remove it PDQ. If a resident posted it, they should be issued a fine.

Tank

[AC2717]

Is there anyway to confirm that MP put this sign in there, and two, that it is legal to post a sign in the water, no Joke here I would think that a preservation group or even the shoreline protection act might say differently, we need some of our good law versed forum members to do some deligence on this to 1 see how it got there in the first place, who requested it, as the charts already tell you this, and again if it is even legal to just go and plop a sign in the water, cause if that is the case guess what you are going to see all around the lake,

I think we should get a honest to goodness petition going to have this signed removed, a sign that is one hidious and also ruining the scenery of the lake

[Scupper]

Tomorrow an even bigger sign will appear announcing that this project was a result of stimulus money

[John A. Birdsall]

I think that they should put a one way only sign up at the entry to Paugus Bay. Only can go into Paugus Bay. Now that would be cute.

What about a No Passing sign East of Rattlesnake Island.

[LakeSnake]

This is realy getting out of hand. Talk about scarring up the landscape for the interest of a select group. Makes me think of that song "Sign Sign Everywhere a sign...

I would rather see the money it cost to create and then pay wichever one of the three stoggers put the thing up go to enforcing the laws we already have.

[gravy boat]

Caloway,

We were there Friday through Sunday...1/2 day Friday, from 830 to 6 pm Saturday, most of Sunday and sent elsewhere on Sunday. You must have been near us as I saw two boats washing, several folks taking their dogs on shore (near the big rock, more toward the southern end of the boating area). We prefer to stay on the "upstream" side of the sandbar, mostly because the water isn't as warm, if you know what I mean.

Our girls love the place as they can play for hours with the frisbeen, snorkel, etc. But again, we stay a bit on the upstream side where it's a little less crowded.


GB

[meredith weekender]

Its funny that money $$$$ can be spent on stupid signage but the lights on the Governors Island Bridge cannot be fixed or the markers and buoys that are missing since spring cannot be replaced. Obviously safety is not priority number one but harrassing people is.

[Gilligan]

I remember some years ago there were several signs posted in Braun Bay with rafting restrictions. They were smaller than the one pictured above and were placed 75 feet from shore. Anyone else remember those or have pictures?

The sign that is there now is hard to read from most parts of the bay. If there are already some boats at anchor there you will probably not even see the sign. Well intentioned idea to publicize the information but poorly executed.

The older signs were more aesthetic and easier to read. They also served the purpose of showing the 75 foot distance from shore
.

[CL 240 LS]

Betsey Patten is filing a bill to ban rafting in Braun Bay. Read the Moultonborough BOS minutes.

http://www.moultonborough.org/Pages/...11-19-2009.pdf

[Lakegeezer]

Originally Posted by CL 240 LS

Betsey Patten is filing a bill to ban rafting in Braun Bay. Read the Moultonborough BOS minutes.

http://www.moultonborough.org/Pages/...11-19-2009.pdf

Hopefully it will fail. When bans are selective, it just concentrates the boats somewhere else. An all or nothing approach will work. Otherwise, the lake is less attractive to boaters.

[breathe easy]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

Hopefully it will fail. When bans are selective, it just concentrates the boats somewhere else. An all or nothing approach will work. Otherwise, the lake is less attractive to boaters.

Just curious as I am not a boater and don't live on the lake. Would a ban on rafting benefit the private lakeshore property owners, presumably because it keeps all the boats from congregating close to their shore ?

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by CL 240 LS

Betsey Patten is filing a bill to ban rafting in Braun Bay. Read the Moultonborough BOS minutes.

http://www.moultonborough.org/Pages/...11-19-2009.pdf

Second in a conspiracy to curtail boating on the lake.