Black Bear near the Weirs Channel

webmaster · 08-31-2009, 07:23 PM

A local businessman sent me this picture. Look on the roof:

Water Camper · 08-31-2009, 07:32 PM

Hi Don. Where is this business? .... couldn't make out the sign. If bear are climbing on buildings, I'm staying INSIDE!
Sue

NHskier · 08-31-2009, 07:34 PM

This looks to be the real estate office right next to the old Handy Landing convenience store. Right by the jet ski rental place. Not far from the channel bridge!!

webmaster · 08-31-2009, 07:47 PM

It's just across from the old Waldo Peppers (for now the Chao Pra Ya Thai & Sushi).

robmac · 08-31-2009, 08:03 PM

Thanks Don,very cool pic.

dpg · 09-01-2009, 07:41 AM

Is this a real picture, I mean the bear that is? How the heck could he get on the roof. Maybe from the tree in the picture however the branches do not look like they would hold him.

upthesaukee · 09-01-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dpg

Is this a real picture, I mean the bear that is? How the heck could he get on the roof. Maybe from the tree in the picture however the branches do not look like they would hold him.

If you save the picture to your computer, then open it in a photo editing software, enlarge it, and then lighten it some, you will see the red cape and red&yellow "S"!!!!

dpg · 09-02-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by upthesaukee

If you save the picture to your computer, then open it in a photo editing software, enlarge it, and then lighten it some, you will see the red cape and red&yellow "S"!!!!

ookkkk so it is a fixed up pic??

Resident 2B · 09-02-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dpg

ookkkk so it is a fixed up pic??

No idea who the poster is, but looking at the shadows on the table, the photo looks real to me.

R2B

BGB2 · 09-02-2009, 01:34 PM

I received the picture from a friend. I asked him if the picture was real. He told me that to the best of his knowledge it is real i.e. not altered. The location of the picture is unknown to me. If the bear was wearing a football helmet, I'd guess that it was a Chicago Bear or University of Maine Bear and the picture was altered.

ApS · 10-09-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

"...The bear would creep into the Valley at night and visit the public trash cans..."

Just a few years ago, the Valley's Owl's Nest Resort had no air-conditioning. On one particularly hot evening, I heard through the open window, "Daddy, there's a bear in the parking lot!"

Sure enough, cool as a cucumber, a black bear was wandering between cars and SUVs.

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Originally Posted by dpg

ookkkk so it is a fixed up pic??

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Originally Posted by Resident 2B

No idea who the poster is, but looking at the shadows on the table, the photo looks real to me. R2B

Another pic from the Web suggests it is real: it's titled, "Service in this place stinks".

fatlazyless · 10-09-2009, 11:21 PM

In thinking about the recent necessary but unfortunate death of the huge bear by the Fish & Game Dept, it certainly seems like the available easy trash can food at the Waterville Valley Town Square is the problem. Fish & Game promotes their "A fed bear is a dead bear" safety program and suggests for home owners to bring in their outdoor bird feeders. And, the Town of Waterville Valley requires that every one of the numerous, like maybe 100 different dumpsters in town, be bear proof. Bear proof means they have locks or latches which strongly deter bears when people remember to use them.

Over at the Town Square, there's aproximately four or five different 32 gallon trash deposit cans, made of rubbermaid plastic, and the bears quickly learn to tip them over and dig through the trash for left over food.The bears show up very regularly each night. The area is basically an outdoor food court with about five different food businesses that sell take -out pizza, ice cream, sandwiches, buritos, and chocolate to the xc skiers, bicyclers, hockey players, kayakers, swimmers, and vacationers.

Knowing that "a fed bear is a dead bear" and that the unsecure large plastic trash deposit style trash cans have been in place for ten plus years, then what is the basis for the problem here........is it the the trash cans or the bears?

Seems like they need to figure out some bear proof trash litter cans, just as the Town has required bear proof dumpsters. As bears will always be bears, and easy to get discarded pizza, buritos, chocolate, ice crean and sandwiches will add up to more bears needing to be destroyed by Fish & Game.

Now, building a trash-litter deposit can that is bear proof is probably not an easy thing to do, as the bear proof dumpsters are built of very sturdy welded steel and the trash cans are built of trash can plastic.

So, what's a bear to do? ... www.watervillevalley.org

trfour · 10-10-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

In thinking about the recent necessary but unfortunate death of the huge bear by the Fish & Game Dept, it certainly seems like the available easy trash can food at the Waterville Valley Town Square is the problem. Fish & Game promotes their "A fed bear is a dead bear" safety program and suggests for home owners to bring in their outdoor bird feeders. And, the Town of Waterville Valley requires that every one of the numerous, like maybe 100 different dumpsters in town, be bear proof. Bear proof means they have locks or latches which strongly deter bears when people remember to use them.

Over at the Town Square, there's aproximately four or five different 32 gallon trash deposit cans, made of rubbermaid plastic, and the bears quickly learn to tip them over and dig through the trash for left over food.The bears show up very regularly each night. The area is basically an outdoor food court with about five different food businesses that sell take -out pizza, ice cream, sandwiches, buritos, and chocolate to the xc skiers, bicyclers, hockey players, kayakers, swimmers, and vacationers.

Knowing that "a fed bear is a dead bear" and that the unsecure large plastic trash deposit style trash cans have been in place for ten plus years, then what is the basis for the problem here........is it the the trash cans or the bears?

Seems like they need to figure out some bear proof trash litter cans, just as the Town has required bear proof dumpsters. As bears will always be bears, and easy to get discarded pizza, buritos, chocolate, ice crean and sandwiches will add up to more bears needing to be destroyed by Fish & Game.

Now, building a trash-litter deposit can that is bear proof is probably not an easy thing to do, as the bear proof dumpsters are built of very sturdy welded steel and the trash cans are built of trash can plastic.

So, what's a bear to do? ... www.watervillevalley.org

A panda ponder situation, FLL.

I know what the bears can do to dumpsters and such in the Lakes region. We do need to protect the bears and they can be very clever, ( Push Push ) Factor.

Yosemite Sam · 10-10-2009, 07:36 PM

I tried to take a picture of the Bear on the roof and Papa Bear didn't like it to well!

webmaster · 09-01-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dpg

How the heck could he get on the roof.

Here's how:

SIKSUKR · 09-01-2009, 01:28 PM

Looks like he just finished eating in that dumpster.

NoRegrets · 09-01-2009, 02:10 PM

We are not hunters but I wonder what the suggested action would be if someone encountered a bear like in these pictures? What if a child was nearby or on the balcony and thought it was a big dog? I haven't heard of a encounter in this area yet but there have been maulings in New Jersy and Tennessee within the past few years.

I have foxes and fisher cats travel through my yard at different times of the year. I also bring my little dog out at night on a leash and carry a small bat. Should I upgrade to a hand gun? Any suggestions?

hilltopper · 09-01-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NoRegrets

We are not hunters but I wonder what the suggested action would be if someone encountered a bear like in these pictures? What if a child was nearby or on the balcony and thought it was a big dog? I haven't heard of a encounter in this area yet but there have been maulings in New Jersy and Tennessee within the past few years.

I have foxes and fisher cats travel through my yard at different times of the year. I also bring my little dog out at night on a leash and carry a small bat. Should I upgrade to a hand gun? Any suggestions?

If you're truly concerned you can carry a spray. It's like pepper spray but made to ward off bears.

jmen24 · 09-01-2009, 03:30 PM

Spray would cover it. It would be best not to think about a child thinking that bear was a big dog in the confined space of a balcony or dumpster, but out in the open it would probably just take off. Most Black bears want as little to do with you as you do them, but they are a powerful animal that will defend themselves if THEY feel its needed.

Upgrading to a gun carries a lot of weight and should not be taken lightly, unless you are really ready to fire it, as well as put in the time to know it inside and out, in most instances it would not be needed, a quick clap or yell would send it running and that goes for a fox as well. The fisher cat is a different story depending on the size of the dog and a small bat would not be my weapon of choice against a fisher, but again a gun is a very large commitment and in a residential or urban environment would not be recommended.

jrc · 09-01-2009, 04:20 PM

Pepper spray

NoBozo · 09-01-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Pepper spray

I remember a few years ago.......being an Old Coot, and on a pension, who knows How Many freakin years ago it was ...they just fly by.

Anywho: There was this young "Outdoorsy" couple who were "Living with the Grizzlys" in Alaska. It was very "Inspiring". They were "Bonding" with nature and whatnot.....

They were attacked and Ate Up by their friends.... the Grizzlys. Totally Sad.

Lesson: Don't try to snuggle up to a Bear. NB

jrc · 09-01-2009, 09:01 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell

VtSteve · 09-01-2009, 10:24 PM

I am so glad I have a 20X zoom lens. Tried to blow up that picture, but not enough resolution. My guess is that bear will not be your friend, for long.

Just as a casual observer, 400 pounds seems a bit heavy for that guy.

SIKSUKR · 09-01-2009, 11:00 PM

There is no comparison to be made between attacks from grizzlies and NH's black bear.They are complete opposites.I dont even recall the last time we had a bear attack here.Black bears are omnivores and only attack if they think they,or more importantly,their offspring are threatened.Very very rare.I had a mother 3 feet from my skihouse in Franconia last week.While watching her,2 18 inch babies appeared.Great stuff.They do everything they can to avoid humans.

NoRegrets · 09-02-2009, 03:37 AM

Thank you all for the suggestions and insight on safety with nature.

In the news a few weeks ago there was a tragic story about an older couple that were killed by a pack of wild dogs in North Eastern Georgia. The wife went out first and when she did not return the husband went out to look for her. They both met a horrible end. The dogs were captured and the experts said they were pets left behind and a "bad" dog leader caused the pack to go bad.

The point about being prepared to pull the trigger if you carry a gun is excellent. In a panic situation you may hurt yourself or someone unintentionally. You would need to practice, be mentally prepared for action, and then practice so action would become routine. This would not suit me or my wife.

The pepper spray seems the best solution to cover most situations.

jrc · 09-02-2009, 07:12 AM

Just to be clear, my post was a joke. There are no grizzlies in New Hampshire.

chipj29 · 09-02-2009, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoBozo

I remember a few years ago.......being an Old Coot, and on a pension, who knows How Many freakin years ago it was ...they just fly by.

Anywho: There was this young "Outdoorsy" couple who were "Living with the Grizzlys" in Alaska. It was very "Inspiring". They were "Bonding" with nature and whatnot.....

They were attacked and Ate Up by their friends.... the Grizzlys. Totally Sad.

Lesson: Don't try to snuggle up to a Bear. NB

I was watching a show on 20/20 last night about a guy in Alaska who lives in a cabin in the woods. He feeds the bears (illegal), both brown bears and grizzlies. He is almost like a father to them. It is pretty cool, but I would hazard to guess that the guy is going to be dinner some day. On that show, they did mention the couple who was mauled and eaten by a grizzly.

ApS · 09-02-2009, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoRegrets

"...Should I upgrade to a hand gun...?"

An interview disclosed the following opinion:

08-31-2009, 07:23 PM	#1
webmaster Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,460 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 459 Thanked 3,920 Times in 843 Posts	A local businessman sent me this picture. Look on the roof: Attached Images

08-31-2009, 07:32 PM	#2
Water Camper Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pembroke, NH / Laconia, NH Posts: 451 Thanks: 10 Thanked 207 Times in 89 Posts	Where is this? Hi Don. Where is this business? .... couldn't make out the sign. If bear are climbing on buildings, I'm staying INSIDE! Sue

08-31-2009, 07:34 PM	#3
NHskier Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 292 Thanks: 45 Thanked 36 Times in 33 Posts	This looks to be the real estate office right next to the old Handy Landing convenience store. Right by the jet ski rental place. Not far from the channel bridge!! __________________ NHskier

09-02-2009, 01:34 PM	#10
BGB2 Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Bear on Vacation Authenticity I received the picture from a friend. I asked him if the picture was real. He told me that to the best of his knowledge it is real i.e. not altered. The location of the picture is unknown to me. If the bear was wearing a football helmet, I'd guess that it was a Chicago Bear or University of Maine Bear and the picture was altered.

10-09-2009, 11:21 PM	#12
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,795 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 301 Thanked 1,024 Times in 745 Posts	In thinking about the recent necessary but unfortunate death of the huge bear by the Fish & Game Dept, it certainly seems like the available easy trash can food at the Waterville Valley Town Square is the problem. Fish & Game promotes their "A fed bear is a dead bear" safety program and suggests for home owners to bring in their outdoor bird feeders. And, the Town of Waterville Valley requires that every one of the numerous, like maybe 100 different dumpsters in town, be bear proof. Bear proof means they have locks or latches which strongly deter bears when people remember to use them. Over at the Town Square, there's aproximately four or five different 32 gallon trash deposit cans, made of rubbermaid plastic, and the bears quickly learn to tip them over and dig through the trash for left over food.The bears show up very regularly each night. The area is basically an outdoor food court with about five different food businesses that sell take -out pizza, ice cream, sandwiches, buritos, and chocolate to the xc skiers, bicyclers, hockey players, kayakers, swimmers, and vacationers. Knowing that "a fed bear is a dead bear" and that the unsecure large plastic trash deposit style trash cans have been in place for ten plus years, then what is the basis for the problem here........is it the the trash cans or the bears? Seems like they need to figure out some bear proof trash litter cans, just as the Town has required bear proof dumpsters. As bears will always be bears, and easy to get discarded pizza, buritos, chocolate, ice crean and sandwiches will add up to more bears needing to be destroyed by Fish & Game. Now, building a trash-litter deposit can that is bear proof is probably not an easy thing to do, as the bear proof dumpsters are built of very sturdy welded steel and the trash cans are built of trash can plastic. So, what's a bear to do? ... www.watervillevalley.org __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

08-31-2009, 07:47 PM	#4
webmaster Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,460 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 459 Thanked 3,920 Times in 843 Posts	It's just across from the old Waldo Peppers (for now the Chao Pra Ya Thai & Sushi).

08-31-2009, 08:03 PM	#5
robmac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashua,Meredith Posts: 951 Thanks: 213 Thanked 106 Times in 81 Posts	Thanks Don,very cool pic.

09-01-2009, 07:41 AM	#6
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,600 Thanks: 154 Thanked 230 Times in 167 Posts	Is this a real picture, I mean the bear that is? How the heck could he get on the roof. Maybe from the tree in the picture however the branches do not look like they would hold him.

10-10-2009, 07:36 PM	#14
Yosemite Sam Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 395 Thanks: 81 Thanked 95 Times in 56 Posts	I tried to take a picture of the Bear on the roof and Papa Bear didn't like it to well!

09-01-2009, 01:28 PM	#16
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Looks like he just finished eating in that dumpster. __________________ SIKSUKR

09-01-2009, 02:10 PM	#17
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	What would you do if confronted by a bear? We are not hunters but I wonder what the suggested action would be if someone encountered a bear like in these pictures? What if a child was nearby or on the balcony and thought it was a big dog? I haven't heard of a encounter in this area yet but there have been maulings in New Jersy and Tennessee within the past few years. I have foxes and fisher cats travel through my yard at different times of the year. I also bring my little dog out at night on a leash and carry a small bat. Should I upgrade to a hand gun? Any suggestions?

09-01-2009, 03:30 PM	#19
jmen24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 223 Thanked 319 Times in 181 Posts	Spray would cover it. It would be best not to think about a child thinking that bear was a big dog in the confined space of a balcony or dumpster, but out in the open it would probably just take off. Most Black bears want as little to do with you as you do them, but they are a powerful animal that will defend themselves if THEY feel its needed. Upgrading to a gun carries a lot of weight and should not be taken lightly, unless you are really ready to fire it, as well as put in the time to know it inside and out, in most instances it would not be needed, a quick clap or yell would send it running and that goes for a fox as well. The fisher cat is a different story depending on the size of the dog and a small bat would not be my weapon of choice against a fisher, but again a gun is a very large commitment and in a residential or urban environment would not be recommended.

09-01-2009, 04:20 PM	#20
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Pepper spray Attached Images

09-01-2009, 09:01 PM	#22
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell

09-01-2009, 10:24 PM	#23
VtSteve Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,320 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 230 Thanked 361 Times in 169 Posts	I am so glad I have a 20X zoom lens. Tried to blow up that picture, but not enough resolution. My guess is that bear will not be your friend, for long. Just as a casual observer, 400 pounds seems a bit heavy for that guy.

09-01-2009, 11:00 PM	#24
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Hang on a minute There is no comparison to be made between attacks from grizzlies and NH's black bear.They are complete opposites.I dont even recall the last time we had a bear attack here.Black bears are omnivores and only attack if they think they,or more importantly,their offspring are threatened.Very very rare.I had a mother 3 feet from my skihouse in Franconia last week.While watching her,2 18 inch babies appeared.Great stuff.They do everything they can to avoid humans. __________________ SIKSUKR Last edited by SIKSUKR; 09-03-2009 at 10:23 AM.

09-02-2009, 03:37 AM	#25
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	Thank you all for the suggestions and insight on safety with nature. In the news a few weeks ago there was a tragic story about an older couple that were killed by a pack of wild dogs in North Eastern Georgia. The wife went out first and when she did not return the husband went out to look for her. They both met a horrible end. The dogs were captured and the experts said they were pets left behind and a "bad" dog leader caused the pack to go bad. The point about being prepared to pull the trigger if you carry a gun is excellent. In a panic situation you may hurt yourself or someone unintentionally. You would need to practice, be mentally prepared for action, and then practice so action would become routine. This would not suit me or my wife. The pepper spray seems the best solution to cover most situations.

09-02-2009, 07:12 AM	#26
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Just to be clear, my post was a joke. There are no grizzlies in New Hampshire.