One way or the other

[hazelnut]

Vita,

I am sure elchase regrets posting this story as it absolutely 100% confirms what we have been saying. He posted this trying to prove a point and all he did was prove ours. I LOVE IT!!!!

I pray that the good elected representatives read his story and understand that is what we have been trying to say all along. The lake is overrun with Capt. Boneheads and that is the problem. Thanks elchase for posting this story it has helped immensely.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Vita,

I am sure elchase regrets posting this story as it absolutely 100% confirms what we have been saying. He posted this trying to prove a point and all he did was prove ours. I LOVE IT!!!!

I pray that the good elected representatives read his story and understand that is what we have been trying to say all along. The lake is overrun with Capt. Boneheads and that is the problem. Thanks elchase for posting this story it has helped immensely.

To me it shows how emotionally driven this whole thing is. Elchase wasn't terrorized by the small boat but is by the large boat. He didn't worry about the small boat hitting them but assumes the large boat will hit them (until it misses and then no doubt it was pure luck). He thinks a 25 MPH hit from a small boat is no big deal !?! Whatever. I wonder how Elchase would feel about a 25MPH hit from a small car .... and then to be taken to the dock and tossed into the water. I hope he'd be wearing a PFD because I think it likely his swimming would be somewhat impaired after this "small" impact.

Originally Posted by Kracken

Nice spin, ...

Originally Posted by gtagrip

It sure is...

Originally Posted by pm203

Bottom line is ...

Originally Posted by VitaBene

No problem, ....

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

The torque on a 25 horse motor can ...

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Looking out my window I see erosion ...

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Sorry, I was being facetious ...

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Vita,I am sure elchase regrets ...

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

and then to be taken to the dock and tossed into the water....

Blah, blah, blah. You guys sound like a bunch of whiny little girls. You have nothing. The speed limit is working so good that the people who worked for it are happy with its results and want it made permanent. It is working so good that the people it was aimed to reasonably limit are being reasonably limited by it and want it eliminated. Enough said.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

EL I was just razzing you a little.. Don't take it to heart...

Same here. I'm just playing too. I only give back the same to those who dish it out to me, assuming they should be able to take what they give.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Just ask if you would like to know.. No need to speculate.

Ok, so seriously; Do you guys have a theme song like Underdog? I think that would be pretty cool if you all rode around together in Thundercult costumes singing "There's no need to fear...Thundercult is here..."

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

and then to be taken to the dock and tossed into the water....

Originally Posted by elchase

Blah, blah, blah. You guys sound like a bunch of whiny little girls. You have nothing. The speed limit is working so good that the people who worked for it are happy with its results and want it made permanent. It is working so good that the people it was aimed to reasonably limit are being reasonably limited by it and want it eliminated. Enough said.

Nice choice of selective quotation. Did you understand it before you selected it ? Let me help you. How well do you think you'd be able to swim after being struck by your 25 MPH boat ? I suspect not well at all. Seems to me your concern over being hit is as selective as your quoting ability.

And what I have is the ability to debate the matter without resorting to calling people names. You ... apparently not.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Exactly...and as noted earlier, 100% of the residents on our road associaion(approx. 25 people) are in favor of SL/and donation to WinnFabs. Our state reps/senate are not dumb enough to swallow a poll conducted on this forum!

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Poll whom you want, talk to whomever agrees with you...it won't change the fact that swimmers, sailors, lake front residents, kayakers, and many power boaters will be quite reluctant to give up the gains achieved over the last year. The speed limit has made Winnipesaukee a better, more tranquil lake to visit. The anti SL spin machine's propaganda about how the lake's region economy would go down the toilet never happened. Speed limits are here to stay and the real owners of the lake won't ever again let it be hijacked by a very loud minority of powerboaters.

Well, I hate to break it to you guys, but the shoreline residents are not the ONLY owners of the lake. I own just as much of it as you do, and I live 30 miles away. It is pretty obvious who the speed limit is catering to.

Originally Posted by elchase

Blah, blah, blah. You guys sound like a bunch of whiny little girls. You have nothing. The speed limit is working so good that the people who worked for it are happy with its results and want it made permanent. It is working so good that the people it was aimed to reasonably limit are being reasonably limited by it and want it eliminated. Enough said.


Same here. I'm just playing too. I only give back the same to those who dish it out to me, assuming they should be able to take what they give.


Ok, so seriously; Do you guys have a theme song like Underdog? I think that would be pretty cool if you all rode around together in Thundercult costumes singing "There's no need to fear...Thundercult is here..."

You only post for one reason... to try to protect what you believe to be YOUR lake. It is just as much mine as it is yours.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Well, I hate to break it to you guys, but the shoreline residents are not the ONLY owners of the lake. I own just as much of it as you do, and I live 30 miles away. It is pretty obvious who the speed limit is catering to.



You only post for one reason... to try to protect what you believe to be YOUR lake. It is just as much mine as it is yours.

And again...blah, blah, blah..so let's turn this into a class warfare issue. As if the GFBL boats don't cost a small fortune (though I hear the used ones are now a bit cheaper), not to mention the GFBL's that we see parked in front of lakefront homes. As mentioned earlier, people come here for peaceful recreation, and the owners of the lake, including non waterfront owners, swimmers, kayakers, sailors, people who live near the lake who don't don't enjoy all the benefits of lakeside living but still have to endure the noise all have a stake here. Sorry, but speed limits are here to stay.

[VtSteve]

I'd also like a law that mandates restaurants and bar owners keep a time log of drinks served their customers, by LAW. This would come in handy should, say, someone leave the docks of a restaurant and run over someone after consuming many drinks. Kind of a memory helper so to speak. No, it doesn't help to start a boating group to introduce speed limits that had nothing to do with the accident. Nice cover though.

One way or the other, someone's going to have to point out that things need to change the next few years. Perhaps a new law addressing the PFD issue for early season small boaters? They did that in New York, must be a good one.

[NoRegrets]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

And again...blah, blah, blah..so let's turn this into a class warfare issue. As if the GFBL boats don't cost a small fortune (though I hear the used ones are now a bit cheaper), not to mention the GFBL's that we see parked in front of lakefront homes. As mentioned earlier, people come here for peaceful recreation, and the owners of the lake, including non waterfront owners, swimmers, kayakers, sailors, people who live near the lake who don't don't enjoy all the benefits of lakeside living but still have to endure the noise all have a stake here. Sorry, but speed limits are here to stay.

This is a public body of water owned by all. The definition of PEACEFUL RECREATION is as subjective as anything you try to imagine. Get a book from the library, sit in a sound proof room to block all undesired sounds, and declare it PEACEFUL RECREATION. I have never gone by a marketing slogan stating "Come to Winnipesaukee for PEACEFUL RECREATION".

This looks and sounds more like a class war waged by a a few bitter humans (grown up spoiled brats) that will never be satisified by sharing their precious toys or playground.

It is too bad there is not an intelligent way to evaluate bonehead actions and speed crimes to get a statistical measure of the true issue.

I do not have a loud fast boat but do not desire to eliminate the right of people to have and use them on a body that has had them since the 1920's.

I do not have a small boat but do not want to state that they are to dangerous to venture out into such a large body of water.

There is definitely room for all. One group has taken the first step to rule against another.

I am in the camp to eliminate the law and really address the bonehead issue.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

. Sorry, but speed limits are here to stay.

And so are the speed boats. But, since loud ,fast boats were here before you were, shouldn't you leave if you don't like the noise? And speaking of noise, is it really that bad, say, when compared to a loud motorcycle? I can appreciate quiet, calm and tranquility like everyone else. I do know that during the week, I might actually experience it. On the weekends, I know its a luxury and probably won't happen. Whether it is a loud motorcycle, or a loud car radio pumping out bass, or a child screaming while tubing, the noise is there and I accept it for what it is. I may not like it, but I accept it. Can't you? Is it really that bad?

[ApS]

At exactly 10:20, on this eve of Labor Day Weekend, I was awakened by a loud, fast boat obviously exceeding the speed limit. A minute later, somehow unhappy with the existing "free expression of his ideas", he switched on his selective exhaust!

A few minutes of this, and he slowed to an idle, perhaps to "park" in the neighborhood of Camp Ossipee.

A minute later, he started gaining speed again when (unexpectedly to me in the darkness), the Marine Patrol stopped him with several widely-spaced electronic "beeps". The blue lights went on, and were still on at 11:19!

I called the MP's dispatcher, and she said she would "page the officer" regarding my "10-88" complaint of the selective exhaust.

There little else to report except that I could hear voices, a repeated cluncky mechanical sound like a boarding ladder might make, and that one of the flashers was missing part of its blue cover (making an occasional white light that flashed in synchrony with the blue lights).

***The officer "cleared" at 11:33PM. The sound upon departure was of twin outboards, so it was one of the MP's "RIBYs" that made the stop.

At 11:47, a deep rumble indicates that the offender is now departing, heading in the direction of Cow Island at about 25-MPH.

Let's see, now...where do I put this post?

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

At exactly 10:20, on this eve of Labor Day Weekend, I was awakened by a loud, fast boat obviously exceeding the speed limit. A minute later, somehow unhappy with the existing "free expression of his ideas", he switched on his selective exhaust!

A few minutes of this, and he slowed to an idle, perhaps to "park" in the neighborhood of Camp Ossipee.

A minute later, he started gaining speed again when (unexpectedly to me in the darkness), the Marine Patrol stopped him with several widely-spaced electronic "beeps". The blue lights went on, and were still on at 11:19!

I called the MP's dispatcher, and she said she would "page the officer" regarding my "10-88" complaint of the selective exhaust.

There little else to report except that I could hear voices, a repeated cluncky mechanical sound like a boarding ladder might make, and that one of the flashers was missing part of its blue cover (making an occasional white light that flashed in synchrony with the blue lights).

***The officer "cleared" at 11:33PM. The sound upon departure was of twin outboards, so it was one of the MP's "RIBYs" that made the stop.

At 11:47, a deep rumble indicates that the offender is now departing, heading in the direction of Cow Island at about 25-MPH.

Let's see, now...where do I put this post?

Just went over the MP log today at Glendale. This incident is not logged in.

[Neanderthal Thunder]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Just went over the MP log today at Glendale. This incident is not logged in.

I am the BIL to APS. He describes me as the "Maytag Man", which I was until lasst year. Having the closer bedroom, we overheard the late night MP discussion and the speedboat. Which awoke everybody. APS previous description of the Marine Patrol stop is exact. He is checking with the Sergeant on duty at the time and should know in the next day or two if a summons was issued. We can confirm the stop exactly as he described here.

[Airwaves]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper
Just went over the MP log today at Glendale. This incident is not logged in.

Originally posted by Neanderthal Thunder

I am the BIL to APS. He describes me as the "Maytag Man", which I was until lasst year. Having the closer bedroom, we overheard the late night MP discussion and the speedboat. Which awoke everybody. APS previous description of the Marine Patrol stop is exact. He is checking with the Sergeant on duty at the time and should know in the next day or two if a summons was issued. We can confirm the stop exactly as he described here

Whether a summons was issued or not the stop would be in the incident log at Glendale if it actually occurred.

[ApS]

The Sergeant that was on duty remembers that MP stop that Friday night, and said "it would definitely be in the computer".

I called back today to find the Sergeant is on vacation. However, I'll be checking back in about a week. The Sergeant has good reason to be attentive to this matter.

As to OCD's "3000-RPM blow-up", There are two boats I can give by name who also switch while running. The offender's boat is a Cris Craft. (Who left after Labor Day Weekend).

Why a visitor has to offend so many people, make so much noise and break laws relating to late-night behavior on our waters, I don't know.

Maybe he didn't have any firecrackers. (Which are illegal to use in Wolfeboro).

[OCDACTIVE]

[QUOTE=Acres per Second;105622]
As to OCD's "3000-RPM blow-up", There are two boats I can give by name who also switch while running. The offender's boat is a Cris Craft. (Who left after Labor Day Weekend).

[QUOTE]

I would never claim I know of every after market product out there.. but after discussing this with 2 very reputable manufactorers and owners of the companies, they say they do not know of any for a high performance engine. There may be some for a non-performance models but that is not what I am referring to.

If you could APS, could you get me the name of the type of exhaust, manufactorer, anything??? Even the owners name or number? PM me if you would. I would love to get it. I will still keep my mufflers on but this way I don't bother the family or my infant son when I start the boat in the mornings.

Greatly appreciated. I look forward to your response seriously!

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

As to OCD's "3000-RPM blow-up", There are two boats I can give by name who also switch while running. The offender's boat is a Cris Craft. (Who left after Labor Day Weekend).

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I would never claim I know of every after market product out there.. but after discussing this with 2 very reputable manufactorers and owners of the companies, they say they do not know of any for a high performance engine. There may be some for a non-performance models but that is not what I am referring to.

If you could APS, could you get me the name of the type of exhaust, manufactorer, anything??? Even the owners name or number? PM me if you would. I would love to get it. I will still keep my mufflers on but this way I don't bother the family or my infant son when I start the boat in the mornings.

Greatly appreciated. I look forward to your response seriously!

Well that dastardly well known GFBL manufacturer Chris-Craft .... errrr .... Chris-Craft ? Oh well, C-C has a $2600 option for selectable exhaust which I believe is CORSAs "Captains Call". Maybe someone should tell Trexler's that it's illegal in NH.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

Well that dastardly well known GFBL manufacturer Chris-Craft .... errrr .... Chris-Craft ? Oh well, C-C has a $2600 option for selectable exhaust which I believe is CORSAs "Captains Call". Maybe someone should tell Trexler's that it's illegal in NH.

I've seen those.. and no those are not designed to be switched over 2200 RPM's..

Now whether the person is doing it and causing damage may be another story all together but from my understanding there is no captains call, silient choice, switchable, selective exhaust for a HP engine at speed.

Again I implore APS to provide the manufactorer because I really really really want it...

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

Well that dastardly well known GFBL manufacturer Chris-Craft .... errrr .... Chris-Craft ? Oh well, C-C has a $2600 option for selectable exhaust which I believe is CORSAs "Captains Call". Maybe someone should tell Trexler's that it's illegal in NH.

Chris Craft has gone through some ownership changes over the years. But as I remember, the very first Miami Vice boat that Don Johnson drove in that show was a Chris Craft. They are in fact a very old go fast builder. They (whomever bought the brand), make some pretty fantastic looking ships nowadays, and very expensive.

http://www.chriscraft.com/index.php?...ory=SalesEvent


But a noisy boat isn't necessarily a go fast. Many are just 20' to 25 foot family boats that were ordered with outside exhaust.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

"...If you could APS, PM me if you would..."

When I find out next week, you'll find out.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Thats the problem...First step Speed, second cruisers, third above water exhaust, then PWC..."

Following widespread exhaust noise restrictions, PWC were probably the first watercraft to be legislated off the water—The Feds first, and locally, Wolfeboro's Lake Wentworth.

I don't know of any legislation—worldwide—affecting cruisers.

Originally Posted by VtSteve

Chris Craft...They are in fact a very old go fast builder. They (whomever bought the brand), make some pretty fantastic looking ships nowadays, and very expensive..."

I learned yesterday (in addition to the color of the Sunapee kayak, still-more on the Eagle Island collision, and a whole bunch of other stuff) that the offender Friday night was given a "summons" for switchable exhaust. (A "ticket" for the rest of us).

The offender was warned about an arrest for ignoring the blue lights and siren.

The Chris-Craft was a guess on my part, since I saw (and heard) the CC on Saturday and Sunday with his exhaust—both noisy and quiet—on those two days respectively. It wasn't him, but a different visitor just a few doors away.

BTW I: Of one's homes, who here can be struck by a boat or a car? (Or an anchor).

BTW II: Now that our neighborly LAN has left Winnipesaukee for the season, my BIL has to use the Wolfeboro Library for his e-mails, etc.

He informed me that when he went to vote in this thread in favor of the SL, the Library's computer advised,

"You have already voted in this poll".

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

BTW II: Now that our neighborly LAN has left Winnipesaukee for the season, my BIL has to use the Wolfeboro Library for his e-mails, etc.

He informed me that when he went to vote in this thread in favor of the SL, the Library's computer advised,

Translated for the rest of you.

APS's Brother in Law went to use the Wolfeboro Library computer to vote in this poll. When he tried he received a message that said:

"YOU HAVE ALREADY VOTED IN THIS POLL"

Then APS adds these faces :

So he is either

A: Confused that the library computer randomly blocked him
B: Confused because he feels that there is a conspiracy with people going to the Library and logging on to computers to skew the poll
C: Confused that his brother in law wasn't able to accomplish the above said task for his side of the poll
D: All of the above



APS - What is the difference between your Brother-In-Law trying to vote in the poll or another resident of Wolfeboro who used the library computer to vote. Perhaps this person voted the way you would have voted?

If you are confused as to why he got the message you need to understand IP addresses and a bunch of other technical mumbo jumbo. The library likely has a fixed IP and someone at sometime logged onto a computer at the Library and voted. One way or the other mind you. Not necessarily in the affirmative.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

BTW I: Of one's homes, who here can be struck by a boat or a car? (Or an anchor).

Well FWIW I can answer yes, yes to all. We're perhaps 8' from the road (busy at times) and about 40' from the water. And only 5' above the water line too so I think I've got this one covered. Do I win a prize ?

ps - I've got a few trees but I'm sure a small plane could crash into the cabin with just a little effort. I like to live dangerously !

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

At exactly 10:20, on this eve of Labor Day Weekend, I was awakened by a loud, fast boat obviously exceeding the speed limit. A minute later, somehow unhappy with the existing "free expression of his ideas", he switched on his selective exhaust!

APS.. I have seen you make this statement in past threads complaining about noise and selective exhaust....

I am not saying your opinion on noise or speed is invalid, for everyone has the right to their opinion.

However when you say "he switched to his selective exhaust" this can not happen..

There is no "switchable" (not selective) exhaust out there for a GFB that can be switched at over 3000 RPM.. You would blow your motor. I have been looking into getting them for mine and have many friends who have them. (not on the lake mind you)... These are called "Captains Call, or Silent choice"

Both of which are the same thing and can only be activated under 3000 rpm's for the very expensive ones or 2200 rpms for the most common.

So if you would like to comment on how a loud fast boat woke you up... that is perfectly fine and you have every right to tell your story.. But lets not add drama to it....

[BroadHopper]

One weekend, someone called the MP and claim some kid was going 100 mph by his/her house. Come to find out someone had a little hydroplane with a 25 HP motor. Such a waste of time for the MP. Since the speed limit, people are over reacting................

Originally Posted by pm203

The crime today was that somebody( over the weekend) from Bear Island frauduently called in to the MP that a high performance boat was speeding through a no-wake zone...

Originally Posted by pm203

I hope it wasn't someone in your road association that called in a fraudulent report on a speed boat ...

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

One weekend, someone called the MP and claim some kid was going 100 mph by his/her house. Come to find out someone had a little hydroplane with a 25 HP motor. Such a waste of time for the MP...

This ever-changing and irrelevant story is getting old. Was it a performance boat or a little 25HP hydroplane? Was it called in from an island or a road association? How do you know? Was it in a no wake zone or in front of someone’s house? Are shorefront owners suddenly starting to call in these fictitious violations as part of some nefarious pro-speed limit conspiracy? How would this help their cause? It’s starting to sound like a big fabrication that just cannot be kept straight. It sounds more likely to me that the whole story is either made up or that some speed limit opponent is making these calls. Otherwise, its relevance eludes me. Is the point that shorefront owners cannot call the MP when they feel they are witnessing a violation or that boaters should be allowed to harass shorefront owners? The MP can take care of themselves. They know the source phone number of every call and would just cite the caller for filing a fraudulent report if that was the case. They require identification of every caller (I know). They will not respond to an anonymous complaint (I know). So clearly there is another motive to this repeated story about someone feeling that a boat was violating a law and reporting it to the MP. Why not just save us the suspense and come out with it?

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Since the speed limit, people are over reacting................

You can say that again… and it’s not the shorefronters.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by elchase

This ever-changing and irrelevant story is getting old. Was it a performance boat or a little 25HP hydroplane? Was it called in from an island or a road association? How do you know? Was it in a no wake zone or in front of someone’s house? Are shorefront owners suddenly starting to call in these fictitious violations as part of some nefarious pro-speed limit conspiracy? How would this help their cause? It’s starting to sound like a big fabrication that just cannot be kept straight. It sounds more likely to me that the whole story is either made up or that some speed limit opponent is making these calls. Otherwise, its relevance eludes me. Is the point that shorefront owners cannot call the MP when they feel they are witnessing a violation or that boaters should be allowed to harass shorefront owners? The MP can take care of themselves. They know the source phone number of every call and would just cite the caller for filing a fraudulent report if that was the case. They require identification of every caller (I know). They will not respond to an anonymous complaint (I know). So clearly there is another motive to this repeated story about someone feeling that a boat was violating a law and reporting it to the MP. Why not just save us the suspense and come out with it?
You can say that again… and it’s not the shorefronters.

el, get a clue the stories are two separate incidents. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Another chink in your armor I'm afraid. Everyone else seems to have their stories straight. You parse comments and jump all over people with little to no regard for facts. It's getting a tad embarrassing.

[pm203]

The Bear Island call-in was for a large speed boat and after a investigation was deemed a hoax by the MP. And, they had solid proof that it was a hoax. Looks like the Bear Islanders are now trying to control who idles by their island. Too bad it was a failure.

[KonaChick]

Originally Posted by pm203

The Bear Island call-in was for a large speed boat and after a investigation was deemed a hoax by the MP. And, they had solid proof that it was a hoax. Looks like the Bear Islanders are now trying to control who idles by their island. Too bad it was a failure.

I hope this has no truth to it. Who in their right mind would make up a story about a fictious GFBL boat speeding just for a hoax? If it's true it's deeply disappointing and saddens me. I hope it's not.

Originally Posted by hazelnut

el, get a clue...You parse comments...

Ok Sherlock, so assuming there are all these sudden false alarms being called in, why does this belong in a speed limit thread? Violating a no wake zone or shoreline are other laws having nothing to do with the SL. What would this con artist gain by calling in from different places about different boats? Why would a SL supporter want to drag the MP in over a boat that did not exist? Sounded a bit fishy to me. But then, I don't have a clue because I parse quotes .

Originally Posted by pm203

The Bear Island call-in was for a large speed boat and after a investigation was deemed a hoax by the MP. And, they had solid proof that it was a hoax. Looks like the Bear Islanders are now trying to control who idles by their island. Too bad it was a failure.

Hoax? Conspiracy? Sounds like someone needs to loosen his tin foil hat.

Originally Posted by KonaChick

I hope this has no truth to it. Who in their right mind would make up a story about a fictious GFBL boat speeding just for a hoax? If it's true it's deeply disappointing and saddens me. I hope it's not.

Don't worry Konachick. I called to Glendale and they had no idea what this was about. Never heard of even one such false alarm, never mind three. Said it never happened. As confused as me about the reason for such a tale. Confirming what I said before, they have a record of the source number of every call-in and if someone calls they will only send out a boat if they know who the caller is. If someone made a false report and they had "solid proof", they'd cite them. This is clearly a tale..or two...or three...for what purpose we will never know. Perhaps they are trying to gain sympathy for GFBL's, but then, why say it was a hydroplane? Perhaps they are trying to rally up dislike for the people on Bear Island, but then, why go after the road association?
Anyway, wasn't it a great day out there today? What a summer! Heading up the Bay for an ice cream after dinner...nice and slow.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Living 30 miles away, you've probably never had a boat awaken you in the middle of the night. But then we'll hear, "We get awakened by loud motorcycles"!

We get awakened by both loud motorcycles and loud boats.

You probably can't conceive that a boat anchor can strike your house at night; or, should your house be located within 120-feet of a lake's shoreline, be struck by the boat itself.

(Consider also, that the boat may have nobody in it!)

On the eve of a Labor Day Weekend—a weekend when editors will be printing the headlines—there was the expected increase in the number of boats on the lake.

Towards evening, it was reassuring to see that many were traveling at speeds much slower than the required 25-MPH.

Many appear to be discovering the safer and relaxed boating Winnipesaukee experience that decades of residents had enjoyed before excessive speeds became an issue.

I can conceive that a motorcycle or a car/truck/any vehicle could hit my house at any time. That was the risk I took when I bought my house. Same with you, whether it be your house in Florida or your house in NH.

There are laws on the books regarding loud cars/trucks/motorcycles etc. Do they make the drivers go slower? Probably not.

Again, Lake Winnipesaukee is owned by me, you and all the other residents of NH. One owns no more than another. Isn't that beautiful?

[Rinkerfam]

I for one do not feel the least bit "safer" since the speed limit has taken hold. Hazelnut hit it right on the head. The lake is overrun with captain b-heads. I have been boating on Winnipesaukee for some 25 years ( all of them piloting family runabouts that are far from GFBL's). I have never been in an uncomfortable situation that derived from a boat traveling at a high rate of speed. All of my safety concerns involve other vessels coming too close to me and or not understanding who has the right of way in a given situation. Every time out so far this season I have had to slow down or alter course all the while being the stand on vessel. This is so frustrating. I have even witnessed boats passing between myself and Marine Patrol at a distance far less than 150' from both myself and the MP boat (and yes I dropped to idle speed). As far as Sunset On The Dock's perception of the lake being a kinder gentler place this year, I think the weather and the economy have far more to do with it than any speed limit.

Originally Posted by Rinkerfam

I for one do not feel the least bit "safer" since the speed limit has taken hold....

As Howie Carr would say "Of course you don't". And of course the rest of your GFBL buddies on this forum don't. And smokers are united in the belief that the laws against smoking in restaurants have not done a thing to make dining more enjoyable. And junkies are united in the belief that drug laws have been useless. And illegal aliens are united in the belief that border security is a waste of time. If we let the offenders decide which laws to keep on the books, we'd have lawless bedlam. That's why we don't let prisoners vote.
But the bottom line is that the people who fought so hard for this law are very happy with it and want it kept and the cowboys it was aimed to slow down are very unhappy with it...and that says it all. The more you guys complain about the law, the more you show how effective it has been. If this law had done nothing, then you guys would be out buzzing around the lake instead of spending your days on this forum complaining about it.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by elchase

That's why we don't let prisoners vote.

Wrong again buddy! Prisoners are allowed to vote by sending in an absentee ballot to their home town. Why do you make up all these lies....

[KonaChick]

I don't understand how complaining or trying to change a law makes it "effective". That does not compute....

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Wrong again buddy! Prisoners are allowed to vote by sending in an absentee ballot to their home town. Why do you make up all these lies....

I didn't think prisoners could vote either. Maybe there are some states with some exceptions but here is some info from Michigan. I would hardly describe el's comment as "making up lies". How do you know so much about prisoners voting rights?

Here's the story from Michigan:


Can someone convicted of a felony register and vote? Can a person confined in jail or prison register and vote?
MCL 168.492a reads: "A person confined in a jail, who is otherwise a qualified elector, prior to trial or sentence may, upon request, register under section 504. The person shall be deemed a resident of the city, township, and address at which he resided before confinement. A person while confined in a jail after being convicted and sentenced shall not be eligible to register."

MCL 168.758b reads: "A person who, in a court of this or another state or in a federal court, has been legally convicted and sentenced for a crime for which the penalty imposed is confinement in jail or prison shall not vote, offer to vote, attempt to vote, or be permitted to vote at an election while confined."

Given the above restrictions, a Michigan resident confined in jail or prison that is awaiting arraignment or trial is eligible to register and vote. A Michigan resident who is serving a sentence in jail or prison after conviction cannot register or vote during his or her period of confinement. After a Michigan resident who is serving a sentence in jail or prison is released, he or she is free to participate in elections without restriction.



SHAME ON YOU EL...YOU SHOULD HAVE QUALIFIED YOUR COMMENT. PRISONERS NOT YET CONVICTED CAN VOTE ABSENTEE. Oh brother. Hey el, didn't one of your posts say something to the effect that if you said August occurred in summer then people on this forum would find a way to disagree with you?

[Lakegeezer]

Originally Posted by elchase

But the bottom line is that the people who fought so hard for this law are very happy with it and want it kept and the cowboys it was aimed to slow down are very unhappy with it...and that says it all.

That does not say it all. Boaters with slower boats are also unhappy at the class warfare strike in the false name of safety.

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by APS

At exactly 10:20, on this eve of Labor Day Weekend, I was awakened by a loud, fast boat obviously exceeding the speed limit. A minute later, somehow unhappy with the existing "free expression of his ideas", he switched on his selective exhaust!

At 11:47, a deep rumble indicates that the offender is now departing, heading in the direction of Cow Island at about 25-MPH.

So the boat's exhaust woke you up and you could tell from the sound that he was "obviously exceeding the speed limit"?

He switched his exhaust to quiet and you're complaining? I don't have a boat with this kind of exhaust but I was under the impression that a switchable exhaust is not lawful in NH, so by making his boat quiet, possibly so he wouldn't disturb you, he broke the law.

At 11:47 your superhuman hearing once again came into play and you determined he was heading toward Cow Island, with his loud exhaust, at 25 miles an hour?

We don't need radar...we have APS!!!!

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Wrong again buddy! Prisoners are allowed to vote by sending in an absentee ballot to their home town. Why do you make up all these lies....

Wrong again buddy! http://www.idebate.org/debatabase/to...hp?topicID=515 "Only two US states (Maine and Vermont) permit prisoners to vote, although Utah and Massachusetts also did so until 1998 and 2000 respectively." While you guys are so quick to call everyone else a liar, you have no trouble just throwing anything out as fact and have been able to get away with it because you had chased all those who disagreed with you away. Start doing your homework, like I do, before you make things up.

Originally Posted by hazelnut

...little to no regard for facts. It's getting a tad embarrassing.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Kracken

Just the facts sir.

Exactly. Could not have said it better. Thanks.

Originally Posted by KonaChick

I don't understand how complaining or trying to change a law makes it "effective". That does not compute....

It's sad that you can't understand this. If a drunk approached you and complained that he thought the DUI laws weren't doing anything and should be repealed to purge the statutes of a meaningless law, would you believe him? Would you be more appreciative of our DUI laws or less? If a guy in a big speedboat approached you and said "we don't need a speed limit...trust me, I'll behave. All I really care about is purging our statutes of meaningless laws" would you believe him? Want to by some magic beans?

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

Boaters with slower boats are also unhappy at the class warfare strike in the false name of safety.

You mean the kayakers and camp directors look down on the people in the Thundercult with their $200000 boats? This one went way over my head. Are people with minivans that believe in highway speed limits just practicing class warfare? This one is a real stretch. This is better than the "discrimination against a certain class of boater" theory.

Had a wonderful afternoon out there. There is nothing better to a sailor than a late summer westerly breeze across the Broads. I probably approached the speed limit myself a few times. Saw numerous patrol boats. Saw hundreds of boaters enjoying the lake. But never saw a single boat that looked to be breaking the SL law. What a great way to close out the best summer in years.

[Rattlesnake Guy]

Originally Posted by elchase

As Howie Carr would say "Of course you don't". And of course the rest of your GFBL buddies on this forum don't. And smokers are united in the belief that the laws against smoking in restaurants have not done a thing to make dining more enjoyable. And junkies are united in the belief that drug laws have been useless. And illegal aliens are united in the belief that border security is a waste of time. If we let the offenders decide which laws to keep on the books, we'd have lawless bedlam. That's why we don't let prisoners vote.
But the bottom line is that the people who fought so hard for this law are very happy with it and want it kept and the cowboys it was aimed to slow down are very unhappy with it...and that says it all. The more you guys complain about the law, the more you show how effective it has been. If this law had done nothing, then you guys would be out buzzing around the lake instead of spending your days on this forum complaining about it.

Beneath words and logic are emotional connections that largely direct how we use our words and logic.
Jane Roberts

[chipj29]

Since there are people saying that there are fewer GFBLs on the lake, people are saying the lake is safer. It is pretty obvious what the goal of the speed limit was.

Next will be the cruisers.

After that will be PWCs.

What can they ban next?

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by pm203

The Bear Island call-in was for a large speed boat and after a investigation was deemed a hoax by the MP. And, they had solid proof that it was a hoax. Looks like the Bear Islanders are now trying to control who idles by their island. Too bad it was a failure.

Why would someone need to make up a story about high speed boats going past Bear Island????

Boats go through the Bear Island NWZ at high speed EVERY DAY and EVERY NIGHT. If I called the Marine Patrol every time this happened I would be on the phone several times a day.

OK, this is only about 1% of the boats that go through the NWZ. But if you think this is not happening then you do not have a clue!

Funny thing, while I was typing this I just watched two PWCs go though full speed.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by pm203

And so are the speed boats. But, since loud ,fast boats were here before you were, shouldn't you leave if you don't like the noise? And speaking of noise, is it really that bad, say, when compared to a loud motorcycle? I can appreciate quiet, calm and tranquility like everyone else. I do know that during the week, I might actually experience it. On the weekends, I know its a luxury and probably won't happen. Whether it is a loud motorcycle, or a loud car radio pumping out bass, or a child screaming while tubing, the noise is there and I accept it for what it is. I may not like it, but I accept it. Can't you? Is it really that bad?

Nope, not this year!!!!!!

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

At exactly 10:20, on this eve of Labor Day Weekend, I was awakened by a loud, fast boat obviously exceeding the speed limit. A minute later, somehow unhappy with the existing "free expression of his ideas", he switched on his selective exhaust!

A few minutes of this, and he slowed to an idle, perhaps to "park" in the neighborhood of Camp Ossipee.

A minute later, he started gaining speed again when (unexpectedly to me in the darkness), the Marine Patrol stopped him with several widely-spaced electronic "beeps". The blue lights went on, and were still on at 11:19!

I called the MP's dispatcher, and she said she would "page the officer" regarding my "10-88" complaint of the selective exhaust.

There little else to report except that I could hear voices, a repeated cluncky mechanical sound like a boarding ladder might make, and that one of the flashers was missing part of its blue cover (making an occasional white light that flashed in synchrony with the blue lights).

***The officer "cleared" at 11:33PM. The sound upon departure was of twin outboards, so it was one of the MP's "RIBYs" that made the stop.

At 11:47, a deep rumble indicates that the offender is now departing, heading in the direction of Cow Island at about 25-MPH.

Let's see, now...where do I put this post?

The Choice was theirs, and I detest it when they use it that way at night. So, the MP happened to be there and made a stop. Good for them. The stop was for 14 minutes, including the swap of paperwork and all?

Perhaps the MP did the smart thing, and just let him know what he thought of using the SC like that at that hour, as well as to let him know Yes son, we are out here

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

"...The stop was for 14 minutes, including the swap of paperwork and all...?"

More like an hour.

Originally Posted by VtSteve

"...Perhaps the MP did the smart thing, and just let him know what he thought of using the SC like that at that hour, as well as to let him know Yes son, we are out here..."

Nobody was more surprised than I was that the MP was out there Friday night—and that late. Even the dispatcher apologized for the late hour, regarding her error in taking my I.D. info.

I can find out what transpired: The boat is a green Cris Craft, operating out of Wolfeboro's P. Point cottages. (And is operating noisily today! )

My spies tell me that the voices heard were the MP and the offender. The MP stated, "When I put my blue lights on, you are to stop".
Noisy offender states: "OK".

So what does amplified exhaust noise do to enhance one's enjoyment of the lake at 10:20 PM, anyway?

I can't think of a single soul who can answer that, yet there are those opponents insistent on "Silent-Choice" (so-called) being made legal.

[VtSteve]

Glad to hear everyone had a great weekend.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

And again...blah, blah, blah..so let's turn this into a class warfare issue. As if the GFBL boats don't cost a small fortune (though I hear the used ones are now a bit cheaper), not to mention the GFBL's that we see parked in front of lakefront homes. As mentioned earlier, people come here for peaceful recreation, and the owners of the lake, including non waterfront owners, swimmers, kayakers, sailors, people who live near the lake who don't don't enjoy all the benefits of lakeside living but still have to endure the noise all have a stake here. Sorry, but speed limits are here to stay.

Just curious but is your support for the SL due more to noise concerns or are you one of the terrified people afraid to venture out on the lake ?

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

Just curious but is your support for the SL due more to noise concerns or are you one of the terrified people afraid to venture out on the lake ?

Thats the problem. many speed limit activists use the speed limit as a means to start to pose restrictions on other "issues" they do not like. First step Speed, second cruisers, third above water exhaust, then PWC, then anything with a motor..... They want to bring the lake back to the day that there were no combustable engines anywhere to be seen.. Then they can start on something else..

Some people just have to have something to complain about!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Well, I hate to break it to you guys, but the shoreline residents are not the ONLY owners of the lake. I own just as much of it as you do, and I live 30 miles away.

Living 30 miles away, you've probably never had a boat awaken you in the middle of the night. But then we'll hear, "We get awakened by loud motorcycles"!

We get awakened by both loud motorcycles and loud boats.

You probably can't conceive that a boat anchor can strike your house at night; or, should your house be located within 120-feet of a lake's shoreline, be struck by the boat itself.

(Consider also, that the boat may have nobody in it!)

On the eve of a Labor Day Weekend—a weekend when editors will be printing the headlines—there was the expected increase in the number of boats on the lake.

Towards evening, it was reassuring to see that many were traveling at speeds much slower than the required 25-MPH.

Many appear to be discovering the safer and relaxed boating Winnipesaukee experience that decades of residents had enjoyed before excessive speeds became an issue.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

You probably can't conceive that a boat anchor can strike your house at night; or, should your house be located within 120-feet of a lake's shoreline, be struck by the boat itself.

(Consider also, that the boat may have nobody in it!)

Mebbe I should also consider the danger poised by planes dropping from the sky onto me or my camp while at the lake. I recall at least 2 Winni headlines along those lines. (more if we include helicopters and ultralights !) Seems to happen with about the same frequency as your aforementioned boats. Then again I had a Nissan SUV lose control on the road just 8' from my bedroom last month. Seems there's no end of the things to worry about ....

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

On the eve of a Labor Day Weekend—a weekend when editors will be printing the headlines—there was the expected increase in the number of boats on the lake.

Towards evening, it was reassuring to see that many were traveling at speeds much slower than the required 25-MPH.

Many appear to be discovering the safer and relaxed boating Winnipesaukee experience that decades of residents had enjoyed before excessive speeds became an issue.

And I saw quite a few over the 25 MPH limit this past weekend. I wonder how many of those "discovering" their new boating are also wondering about how the number was scientifically arrived at. Oh wait it wasn't ....

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Why a visitor has to offend so many people, make so much noise and break laws relating to late-night behavior on our waters, I don't know.

Congratulations on the recent purchase!!!

Can you let me know where I can get a visitors pass to visit YOUR lake?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by jmen24

"...Can you let me know where I can get a visitors pass to visit YOUR lake...?"

When I visit your neighborhood, I'm a visitor.

When you visit my neighborhood, you're a visitor.

If you go to the ocean (which is only one hour away), you're not "visiting".

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

When I visit your neighborhood, I'm a visitor.

When you visit my neighborhood, you're a visitor.

If you go to the ocean (which is only one hour away), you're not "visiting".

APS I agree with you.. But I don't understand the ocean comment.

Also just a question.. Would you consider someone driving a boat on the lake that lives on the lake, however not in the bay you live in a visitor to "your" bay or area of the lake?

I think that is where some of the confusion is...

For example, if my friend brings his boat up for the weekend to stay at my house, then I would consider him a visitor to the lake for the weekend.

If the person has property in the lakes region then I would not consider that person a visitor to the lake. That is anywhere on the lake he is not a visitor. Now if he tied up to you dock then he is visiting you but not the lake.

Would you agree?

[VtSteve]

On the switchable exhaust, I can understand why you shouldn't switch beyond a certain rpm. But can you keep them on the quieter setting at any speed, or must you turn them off?


It's a quandry I had when looking at a couple of boats. One dealer said Absolutely Not when I asked him if I could get one with an thru prop exhaust (quiet). I was just asking, not really in a buying mood. I do know that at certain HP, thru hulls are specified.

Having a law against switchables is quite silly, but now I understand that quiet exhaust pipes Can be added after the fact.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

On the switchable exhaust, I can understand why you shouldn't switch beyond a certain rpm. But can you keep them on the quieter setting at any speed, or must you turn them off?


It's a quandry I had when looking at a couple of boats. One dealer said Absolutely Not when I asked him if I could get one with an thru prop exhaust (quiet). I was just asking, not really in a buying mood. I do know that at certain HP, thru hulls are specified.

Having a law against switchables is quite silly, but now I understand that quiet exhaust pipes Can be added after the fact.

Thru hub is not offered on HP engines. (other then the one APS speaks of) all switchable exhaust I have ever researched is designed only for low RPMS. 1. you can't switch at speed 2. you are not supposed to have them on beyond 2000 rpms. Pretty much the best is for idle only. The boats I have been in that have them turn it off upon take off.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by elchase

Blah, blah, blah. You guys sound like a bunch of whiny little girls. You have nothing. The speed limit is working so good that the people who worked for it are happy with its results and want it made permanent. It is working so good that the people it was aimed to reasonably limit are being reasonably limited by it and want it eliminated. Enough said.


Same here. I'm just playing too. I only give back the same to those who dish it out to me, assuming they should be able to take what they give.


Ok, so seriously; Do you guys have a theme song like Underdog? I think that would be pretty cool if you all rode around together in Thundercult costumes singing "There's no need to fear...Thundercult is here..."

Elchase, do us all a favor- if you are going to quote people, pull more than 2 or 3 words key phrases or words. "Parsing text" as others have called it is deceptive, misleading and hard to follow. Take a look at the back cover of the Harlequin romance you are reading and look at the superlatives heaped on that tome. It is pretty easy to pull a a word that suits your point out of many, isn't it? I quoted you in your entirety and would expect that you have the courtesy to do the same.

BTW have you ever exceeded the SL in that TBird on the street?