What Speed Limit ????????

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by pm203

Let me know what channel so I can fix that for you.

No way chump! Lovin' things the way they are.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

No way chump! Lovin' things the way they are.

Chump? You really should choose your words much more wisely. There are alot of names I would like to refer to you as, but do not, to keep it civil. Smarten up!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by pm203

Chump? You really should choose your words much more wisely. There are alot of names I would like to refer to you as, but do not, to keep it civil. Smarten up!

I agree, lets keep it civil.. I am sure it was just a little razzing... but keep in mind when you post online people don't always know your "tone"... That's what the smiley faces are for.

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by TurtleBoy

We live in an channel but wide enough so there's not a NWZ. The boats used to tear through here at all sorts of ungodly speeds (including last year at $4.50/gal). And the sound was deafening. This year I may have seen an occasional boat possibly going faster than 45 MPH in this part of the lake but the difference is like night and day. And putting the safety issue aside (unlikely to ever be agreement there), people who have come here comment on how much more quiet the lake is...it's great. A select few should not be allowed to ruin the lake experience for everybody. I would be very much reluctant to give up these hard fought gains we've achieved for Winni.

So you live in a part of the lake that SOUND is an issue? This is why you support a speed limit because NOISE is an issue? Then be truthful and support a law that allows High Performance boats to legally use sound dampeners...switchable exhaust is currently illegal in NH!

Originally posted by VtSteve

Have you discussed this year's lack of noise and speeders with BI? He posted not long ago that there are so many boats and some PWC's that go full throttle through the Bear Island NWZ that he thought it would be burdensome to call the MP every time it happened.

I made it a point to go throught BI's channel this year to see what he was complaining about. I saw Mama Bear on the dock and BI up on the deck but as far as boats violating the NWZ? I personally witnesses several large boats coming up to the NW sign, each and every one dropped to headway speed when they arrived at the NWZ sign as required by law.

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

No way chump! Lovin' things the way they are.

Ok, now you have done it, I don't feel real strong one way or the other about the speed limit even though I have expressed a Libertarian view of the issue, but name calling will close you guys down. I talked with Don during the FF on the Mt. Washington and he was thinking of closing this thread. I think the only reason he hasn't is because people are being civil. I haven't been following everyone's comments thread by thread, but this is the first example of a mild name calling i have seen.

I am certainly not an example of a perfect member, as per some really stupid posts of mine in the past, but I enjoy a good debate and hope that both sides can continue to post their opinions, particularly this important issue. Don't let this issue die, because of uncivil posts. Cheers!

Originally Posted by pm203

You really should choose your words much more wisely. There are alot of names I would like to refer to you as, but do not, to keep it civil. Smarten up!

Originally Posted by Pineedles

name calling will close you guys down... Don't let this issue die, because of uncivil posts. Cheers!

How hypocritical. You guys badger, bully, insult, and name-call in every thread. That's ok so long as you are doing it, but someone responds to one of your "uncivil" threats with a comparatively gentle retort and you get all puffy. When you do it you call it "razzing". When we do it you call it "name calling". Grow up. Look at the post Turtle was responding to if you want to talk about "uncivil". Turtle says it is nice and quiet in the channel in front of his home and PM replies "Let me know what channel so I can fix that for you." That was civil? If you guys cared about being civil, you should have jumped all over him for that inappropriate comment. Or is harassing those with different views by threatening to head over to their home and torment them ok with you as long as nobody calls anyone a name? I'm called "la luna" and worse, but that's just "razzing" and when I make light of the "Thunderclub" I am accused of violating the forum rules. You guys really need to thicken up or else stick to the "opposer's thread" or offshoreonly where nobody is going to disagree with you. It's apparent that the moderator here is not going to let you flaunt the rules at your pleasure and then try to enforce them when it suits.

[pm203]

My post was intended to be funny, and I have never called anyone any names. And maybe Turtle Boy's response was an attempt at humor as well. You, however, are the one always looking to stir the pot. Your view's and opinions are not shared by the majority on this site. If we started a poll on whether Elchase stays or goes on this forum, I'm afraid it would be bye-bye for you. You need to lighten up a bit and stop your whining. You have your precious speed limit, and you feel safe and can enjoy the quiet, all by yourself.

[Shreddy]

Originally Posted by elchase

How hypocritical. You guys badger, bully, insult, and name-call in every thread. That's ok so long as you are doing it, but someone responds to one of your "uncivil" threats with a comparatively gentle retort and you get all puffy. When you do it you call it "razzing". When we do it you call it "name calling". Grow up. Look at the post Turtle was responding to if you want to talk about "uncivil". Turtle says it is nice and quiet in the channel in front of his home and PM replies "Let me know what channel so I can fix that for you." That was civil? If you guys cared about being civil, you should have jumped all over him for that inappropriate comment. Or is harassing those with different views by threatening to head over to their home and torment them ok with you as long as nobody calls anyone a name? I'm called "la luna" and worse, but that's just "razzing" and when I make light of the "Thunderclub" I am accused of violating the forum rules. You guys really need to thicken up or else stick to the "opposer's thread" or offshoreonly where nobody is going to disagree with you. It's apparent that the moderator here is not going to let you flaunt the rules at your pleasure and then try to enforce them when it suits.

As much as I do not agree with elchase as much as the rest of you, this post is very true. You guys are getting your panties in a bunch over a "chump" comment. I made a post a week or so ago that had an acronymn (deserving)in it with a smiley face next to it, however, now when I post it doesn't post automatically (moderator has to review it to be posted). So, apparently I am being reprimanded for it.

I agree to keep the forum classy, however, pm's first response was clearly just humor. Turtle's response back (the "chump" response) also came off as humor to me. Brush it off, it's the internet.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

No way chump! Lovin' things the way they are.

Then you don't need a speed limit!

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Then you don't need a speed limit!

Don't get it??? The speed limiit is why I'm lovin' it.

[OCDACTIVE]

just my 2 cents... Nothing personal but lets call this what is actually is please... EL has done nothing but stir the pot time and time again. When directed at him or Turtle boy he crys foul. When a completely civil and productive conversation takes place he jumps in and trys to curve the conversation to get people into a tizzy.

These tactics were done before by others if you read back in the threads to try to disrupt and ultimately get the threads shut down. Those individuals that were very strong in their convictions for some reason have disappeared this time around, but suddenly there is EL who claims to be a person who has sat on the sidelines all those years now wants to be the leading advocat.

After reading many posts and just using common sense it is personally hard to believe.


I feel that in many of these threads we have made progress. We have determined that many people have issues on the lake and would like to have them dicussed and ultimately addressed. Please continue to discuss these in a civil manner and do not get dragged down the wrong path. That will only lead to these being shut down which is some posters true intentions.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Don't get it??? The speed limiit is why I'm lovin' it.

There may be a speed limit on paper, but in reality, it doesn't exist any more than 65 MPH does on 93.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by pm203

There may be a speed limit on paper, but in reality, it doesn't exist any more than 65 MPH does on 93.

So you think there is no speed limit on Rt93? Are you serious?

Yes, I know, you can go 5 or 10mph over the limit on Rt93 all the time and never get stopped. Try going 25 or 30mph over the limit and then tell me about it. By the way, give the Judge my best, you will be seeing him soon.

And that 65 number will suddenly be very important as they subtract it from your recorded speed to calculate your fine. And it is my understanding that if you are caught 15mph or more over the limit then court is required, you can't send in the fine.

There IS a speed limit on 93 and on Winnipesaukee.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

So you think there is no speed limit on Rt93? Are you serious?

Yes, I know, you can go 5 or 10mph over the limit on Rt93 all the time and never get stopped. Try going 25 or 30mph over the limit and then tell me about it. By the way, give the Judge my best, you will be seeing him soon.

And that 65 number will suddenly be very important as they subtract it from your recorded speed to calculate your fine. And it is my understanding that if you are caught 15mph or more over the limit then court is required, you can't send in the fine.

There IS a speed limit on 93 and on Winnipesaukee.

BI... I think you are reading into the post.. I think what he was saying is that the limit isn't set in stone and you will see people traveling over the given speed limit as you do on 93. Obviously blatent offenders will be pulled over as would someone operating a boat recklessly for the conditions on Lake Winni whether there is a speed limit or not.

[pm203]

There are many people that do 90+ on 93 and do not get caught. Of course, you can't do it all the time, or you will get caught. As far as the lake, I don't mind crusing at 45- 50 ish, but, once in a while, if that is exceeded, chances are there will be no repercussions. I already have my compromise.

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by pm203

There are many people that do 90+ on 93 and do not get caught. Of course, you can't do it all the time, or you will get caught. As far as the lake, I don't mind crusing at 45- 50 ish, but, once in a while, if that is exceeded, chances are there will be no repercussions. I already have my compromise.

So you make a good argument that we don't need a compromise (except 45/25 was the compromise, 45 MPH being very fast). You also make a good argument for lowering 45 to 40.As we saw from a post about the GFBL pulled over one evening 2 weeks ago, eventually you'll get caught, and the expense and trouble will indeed slow you down in the future.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

So you make a good argument that we don't need a compromise (except 45/25 was the compromise, 45 MPH being very fast). You also make a good argument for lowering 45 to 40.As we saw from a post about the GFBL pulled over one evening 2 weeks ago, eventually you'll get caught, and the expense and trouble will indeed slow you down in the future.

First, in what way do you consider 45/25 to be "the compromise" ? IIRC those were the numbers proposed in the original HB162 per Rep Pilliod.

Second, what's your reasoning for lowering the 45 to 40 ? Am I to understand that you think the 50 MPH mentioned above is too fast ? Specifically, that 50 is not just unlawful but dangerous to the public at large ?

[Kracken]

ELCHASE “I'm called "la luna" and worse, but that's just "razzing"”

My post on 9/8/2009:

“ I know this question is probably patented but...

Did you ever notice the SUN (el sol) and the MOON (tortuga) never appear on the forum at the same time?

Ah maybe its la luna “

1. la luna = the moon
2. If you took this to mean you (elchase) then I called you the Sun..or the Moon...now I am confused …not sure what the insult would be there.

The intension of my post was not to call you a name. However I guess if I need to explain a joke…it was not funny in the first place. My Bad.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

you'll get caught, and the expense and trouble will indeed slow you down in the future.

You can only hope.