Pending State Layoffs

BroadHopper · 10-13-2009, 11:05 PM

Are pretty much Republicans and Non Union. Now that the Democrats taken over and the Unions are the bosses, the state is in a HUGE mess.

Don't blame it on us natives............................

fatlazyless · 10-14-2009, 07:32 AM

Just a thought. It seems pretty unsual that the majority of union state employees would vote for 700 terminations and not for 19 self-imposed furlough days which added up to a 4% pay cut spread out over two years. Where is the team spirit that bonds all the state employees together into a motivated state team? A 4% over-all, pay cut with 19 days off verses 700 terminations......seems like a no-brainer?

And, they call the S.E.A., the State Employees Association........... a union? Seems llke "all for one, and one for all" was replaced with "none for all, and each to his/her own." Tough nuggies for the last 700 new hires.

NoRegrets · 10-14-2009, 07:54 AM

I feel bad for the individuals but I am pleased the unions will be loosing revenue from many dues paying members.
The size of NH state government has grown beyond what it should be since we have gone "Blue". We do not need the state to hold our hands and help us cross the streets. They need department consolidation and reduction at the top. I do believe Gov Lynch gets it but has so many trying to get a free handout.

Too bad Union bosses! Maybe they should get cut.

Happy Gourmand · 10-14-2009, 07:58 AM

Once again the members were sold down the river by their union management who were doing nothing except looking out for their OWN good. They called the Gov's bluff...he didn't blink...and now they feel like they should have an opportunity to return to the bargaining table.
Sorry folks...your opportunity has come and is now gone.
I am sorry for all the folks who will lose their jobs, especially during these hard times. But like the show "Deal or No Deal", they should have taken the deal.

Emjay · 10-14-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Phantom Gourmand

Once again the members were sold down the river by their union management who were doing nothing except looking out for their OWN good. They called the Gov's bluff...he didn't blink...and now they feel like they should have an opportunity to return to the bargaining table.
Sorry folks...your opportunity has come and is now gone.
I am sorry for all the folks who will lose their jobs, especially during these hard times. But like the show "Deal or No Deal", they should have taken the deal.

I agree. These are hard times and I'm tired of the greed and sense of entitlement by these state employees. It's sad really that they couldn't make any concessions in order to save the misery of 700 who will lose their jobs.

I don't agree that going "blue" is the cause.

Revenues may be down because so many people have lost their jobs - cannot pay their real estate taxes - homes have been foreclosed on. It's a huge mess, so don't blame the Dems - think about on whose "watch" most of these problems began.

Argie's Wife · 10-14-2009, 08:33 AM

The really sad thing about this...

Do you have any idea what this is going to cost the tax payers in legal fees? Seriously. What a waste!

And the day off every six weeks... why not just close state gov those days - totally closed - and save energy. Shut off lights, computers, etc. - have a "green day" if you will. That's REAL cost savings. Perhaps they could do that and have the off day once every 8 or 10 weeks as opposed to once every 6 weeks.

Just a thought and too much coffee.

Onshore · 10-14-2009, 08:37 AM

...not a union member.

TiltonBB · 10-14-2009, 08:43 AM

A lot of the problems, especially the housing and banking problems, began on the watch of, and were instigated by people like Barney Frank and Al Sharpton insisting on everyone's "right" to home ownership. The standards for qualifying for a mortgage were reduced to the point that you only needed a pulse and a pen to sign the documents. Once the changed requirements were proposed, any conservatives who spoke or voted against these policies were called "mean spirited" by the liberals.

This layoff is a good opportunity for government (and taxpayers) to find out that we probably do not need as many state employees as exist today. In the next few years as the government continues to function just fine and deliver the same services with fewer employees, it is doubtful that the taxpayers will even notice the difference. And, since government exists to serve the taxpayers, what is the problem?

sa meredith · 10-14-2009, 08:58 AM

Every time I open the paper and read a story about a freakin' teachers/police/firefighters/state workers union failing to make union concessions, if baffles me.
It's like, because they get paid by the state, they somehow think they are immune to the current economic climate. I almost find it to be arrogant.
All around them, there friends/family/nieghbors are doing whatever they can to keep there jobs. Many accepting huge pay cuts, and huge reductions in benefits. But not people paid by the state...nooooooo. "Hey, man. I gut (sic) a contract!"

Yosemite Sam · 10-14-2009, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Are pretty much Republicans and Non Union. Now that the Democrats taken over and the Unions are the bosses, the state is in a HUGE mess.

Don't blame it on us natives............................

I have always wondered how many NH natives were either Republican or Democrat and which ones were union and non-union. Now I have someone to go to for the answer.

How many NH natives are Replublican?
How many NH natives are Democrat?
How many NH natives are Democrat union members?
How many NH natives are Democrat non-union members?
How many NH natives are Republican union members?
How many NH natives are Republican non-union members?

In order for you to say that most Republicans are Non Union and Democrats have taken over and the Unions are the bosses, and that the state is in a HUGE mess because of that, you must have some sort of data to back that up.

I can’t wait to put this data in an excel spreadsheet and then produce some fancy charts showing what you said to be true.

BroadHopper · 10-14-2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

I have always wondered how many NH natives were either Republican or Democrat and which ones were union and non-union. Now I have someone to go to for the answer.

How many NH natives are Replublican?
How many NH natives are Democrat?
How many NH natives are Democrat union members?
How many NH natives are Democrat non-union members?
How many NH natives are Republican union members?
How many NH natives are Republican non-union members?

In order for you to say that most Republicans are Non Union and Democrats have taken over and the Unions are the bosses, and that the state is in a HUGE mess because of that, you must have some sort of data to back that up.

I can’t wait to put this data in an excel spreadsheet and then produce some fancy charts showing what you said to be true.

NH natives don't need fancy charts or fancy numbers. You just have to look at out history! The Republicans contolled the legislature for over 90 years! As for union, the majority of mfg companies in NH are still non-union! The largest employer in the state, BAE Systems, is non union.

Yosemite Sam · 10-14-2009, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

NH natives don't need fancy charts or fancy numbers. You just have to look at out history! The Republicans contolled the legislature for over 90 years! As for union, the majority of mfg companies in NH are still non-union! The largest employer in the state, BAE Systems, is non union.

Thank you for a typical Republican answer.

Happy Gourmand · 10-14-2009, 09:24 AM

Does it really matter? I would much prefer that our Governor fix the problem rather than fix the blame. Let the pundits fix the blame.
Seems like the Blues and the Reds on this forum agree that the Gov is taking the right course of action even though there is truly no real winner in this issue.

Yosemite Sam · 10-14-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Phantom Gourmand

Does it really matter? I would much prefer that our Governor fix the problem rather than fix the blame. Let the pundits fix the blame.
Seems like the Blues and the Reds on this forum agree that the Gov is taking the right course of action even though there is truly no real winner in this issue.

Very well said and I agree 100%.

10-13-2009, 11:05 PM	#1
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,608 Thanks: 3,244 Thanked 1,113 Times in 799 Posts	NH Natives Are pretty much Republicans and Non Union. Now that the Democrats taken over and the Unions are the bosses, the state is in a HUGE mess. Don't blame it on us natives............................ __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

10-14-2009, 07:58 AM	#4
Happy Gourmand Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ruskin FL Posts: 1,027 Thanks: 188 Thanked 322 Times in 179 Posts	The "Union" Once again the members were sold down the river by their union management who were doing nothing except looking out for their OWN good. They called the Gov's bluff...he didn't blink...and now they feel like they should have an opportunity to return to the bargaining table. Sorry folks...your opportunity has come and is now gone. I am sorry for all the folks who will lose their jobs, especially during these hard times. But like the show "Deal or No Deal", they should have taken the deal.

10-14-2009, 08:37 AM	#7
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	For the record... ...not a union member.

10-14-2009, 08:43 AM	#8
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 3,048 Thanks: 725 Thanked 2,226 Times in 949 Posts	Yes but why A lot of the problems, especially the housing and banking problems, began on the watch of, and were instigated by people like Barney Frank and Al Sharpton insisting on everyone's "right" to home ownership. The standards for qualifying for a mortgage were reduced to the point that you only needed a pulse and a pen to sign the documents. Once the changed requirements were proposed, any conservatives who spoke or voted against these policies were called "mean spirited" by the liberals. This layoff is a good opportunity for government (and taxpayers) to find out that we probably do not need as many state employees as exist today. In the next few years as the government continues to function just fine and deliver the same services with fewer employees, it is doubtful that the taxpayers will even notice the difference. And, since government exists to serve the taxpayers, what is the problem?

10-14-2009, 08:58 AM	#9
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	Don't understand Every time I open the paper and read a story about a freakin' teachers/police/firefighters/state workers union failing to make union concessions, if baffles me. It's like, because they get paid by the state, they somehow think they are immune to the current economic climate. I almost find it to be arrogant. All around them, there friends/family/nieghbors are doing whatever they can to keep there jobs. Many accepting huge pay cuts, and huge reductions in benefits. But not people paid by the state...nooooooo. "Hey, man. I gut (sic) a contract!"

10-14-2009, 07:32 AM	#2
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,859 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,040 Times in 759 Posts	Just a thought. It seems pretty unsual that the majority of union state employees would vote for 700 terminations and not for 19 self-imposed furlough days which added up to a 4% pay cut spread out over two years. Where is the team spirit that bonds all the state employees together into a motivated state team? A 4% over-all, pay cut with 19 days off verses 700 terminations......seems like a no-brainer? And, they call the S.E.A., the State Employees Association........... a union? Seems llke "all for one, and one for all" was replaced with "none for all, and each to his/her own." Tough nuggies for the last 700 new hires.

10-14-2009, 07:54 AM	#3
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	I feel bad for the individuals but I am pleased the unions will be loosing revenue from many dues paying members. The size of NH state government has grown beyond what it should be since we have gone "Blue". We do not need the state to hold our hands and help us cross the streets. They need department consolidation and reduction at the top. I do believe Gov Lynch gets it but has so many trying to get a free handout. Too bad Union bosses! Maybe they should get cut.

10-14-2009, 08:33 AM	#6
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	The really sad thing about this... Do you have any idea what this is going to cost the tax payers in legal fees? Seriously. What a waste! And the day off every six weeks... why not just close state gov those days - totally closed - and save energy. Shut off lights, computers, etc. - have a "green day" if you will. That's REAL cost savings. Perhaps they could do that and have the off day once every 8 or 10 weeks as opposed to once every 6 weeks. Just a thought and too much coffee.

10-14-2009, 09:24 AM	#13
Happy Gourmand Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ruskin FL Posts: 1,027 Thanks: 188 Thanked 322 Times in 179 Posts	Dem/Rep Does it really matter? I would much prefer that our Governor fix the problem rather than fix the blame. Let the pundits fix the blame. Seems like the Blues and the Reds on this forum agree that the Gov is taking the right course of action even though there is truly no real winner in this issue.