Windmills along the lake

Onshore · 10-22-2009, 04:26 PM

I would be very curious about what the output potential for some of the windmills shown would be, particularly if used in the vicinity of the broads. I'd also be curious about clearance radius needed. It would seem the "mariah" type would need the least clearance particularly as it would not need to pivot if the wind direction changes.

Gavia immer · 10-22-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by shore things

I would be very curious about what the output potential for some of the windmills shown would be, particularly if used in the vicinity of the broads.

The wind velocity that appears in ZIP code forecasts is nearly always half of the reality on the lake. This forum's weather guys can elaborate better, but our local winds near the water are shaped (and their velocity increased) by the mountain ranges around us.

Redwing · 10-27-2009, 09:36 PM

The fact is that we don’t know whether the world will cool or warm. If you feel yourself believing confidently in Global Warming, remember that you would have believed in Global Cooling just as strongly in 1975. That climate pendulum is unpredictable and cyclycle.

Cobalt 25 · 10-27-2009, 11:06 PM

shore things,

you stated, "Any scientist that responds to questioning of their work with derisions and insults deserves suspicion."

Does that also apply to members of this forum responding, " I hope you and your buddies keep getting exasperated. The ignorant masses are rejecting your political BS. And while we are on the topic of faith, I guess you and your buddies reject God because it is based on faith?"

and, "I spent way too much time on this troll. I don't need to debate, I need to find a way we can fire teachers like you."

not to mention the previously quoted PM.

I have a bias, of course, but it seems to me that Shed is being much more civil than most of his/her critics. I also believe that the topic of windmills is an excellent opportunity to discuss global warming. I doubt very many peoples' opinions have changed as a result of the discussion, but at least we have a chance to share ideas.

Peter

Onshore · 10-28-2009, 05:30 AM

If it is going to be a discussion then both sides need to keep an open mind and attempt to be respectful. As this thread shows, once one side is disrepectful of the other it becomes personal and escalates, or perhaps degenerates is a better word. The merits and flaws of the real issue are then either forgotten or ignored in favor of easier targets.

Pineedles · 10-28-2009, 08:57 AM

Ok, I'll try to be respectful. I find it difficult though when one side flaunts their position in influencing our children with their doctrines as absolute. Personally, I would like to see windmills in use more, as well as solar panels. I support alternative energy to make it cheaper though and not because the sky is falling. As for another alternative energy source, natural gas, we have plently of it in the US and therefore as a bridge to oil independence I would like to see this developed.

birchhaven · 10-28-2009, 09:45 AM

Here is an interesting letter that seems like a good read for this debate, I will just say I am not a scientist but these guys seem to know there stuff
http://www.nationalpost.com/most_pop...html?id=164002

also it is important to look at the signatures
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164004

Woodsy · 10-28-2009, 10:07 AM

Lots of hostility....

I am with Shore Things on this... we can debate ad nauseum the causes of global warming but no doubt it is real and climate change is happening FAST. Climates are constantly changing, but this usually occurs over thousands of years... sometimes millions of years! We have seen a rapid warm up over the span of less than 100 years!

To think that a population of 7 BILLION humans doesnt have some effect on the planets climate is silly. Millions of tons of pollutants (organic and man made)are spewed into the atmosphere every day... even more from developing countries like China and India who dont have the same environmental concerns & controls we Americans have in place.

The only thing we can do is to strive to minimize the human effect on the planets atmosphere. The US Govt has spent BILLIONS on studying the atmosphere... I have worked on a few of the satellites designed for this.

Solar, Wind, Tidal and Nuclear are all choices that should be on the table! We need to use fossil fuels as a bridge to cleaner energy.

Woodsy

Rattlesnake Guy · 10-28-2009, 08:37 PM

One big reason to not burn up all the oil is we won't be able to make all the plastic stuff we are gonna want in the future. I would have much preferred the stimulus went to green energy projects instead of using up more oil to make all the highways even blacker (to absorb more heat).

Please don't get me wrong, I would have much preferred no stimulus at all.

trfour · 10-28-2009, 06:40 PM

Cow burps, known in polite circles as eructation, emit 200 to 400 quarts of methane gas (each) per day, or 50 million metric tons per year.

Read on; http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...ths-atmosphere

I am 100% for wind power.

JPC · 11-03-2009, 09:36 PM

Did anyone watch Chronicle this evening? They did a segment on the Lempster NH wind mills. I didn't know it but there are 13 wind towers there. It was quite interesting.

10-27-2009, 09:36 PM	#3
Redwing Deceased Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Haven, Connecticut and summer resident of Moultonborough, NH since 1952 Posts: 216 Thanks: 324 Thanked 43 Times in 27 Posts	One last thought, if I may... The fact is that we don’t know whether the world will cool or warm. If you feel yourself believing confidently in Global Warming, remember that you would have believed in Global Cooling just as strongly in 1975. That climate pendulum is unpredictable and cyclycle.

10-28-2009, 08:57 AM	#6
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,549 Thanks: 1,074 Thanked 669 Times in 368 Posts	Still angry but.... Ok, I'll try to be respectful. I find it difficult though when one side flaunts their position in influencing our children with their doctrines as absolute. Personally, I would like to see windmills in use more, as well as solar panels. I support alternative energy to make it cheaper though and not because the sky is falling. As for another alternative energy source, natural gas, we have plently of it in the US and therefore as a bridge to oil independence I would like to see this developed.

10-28-2009, 09:45 AM	#7
birchhaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 132 Thanks: 14 Thanked 54 Times in 30 Posts	2007 Letter Here is an interesting letter that seems like a good read for this debate, I will just say I am not a scientist but these guys seem to know there stuff http://www.nationalpost.com/most_pop...html?id=164002 also it is important to look at the signatures http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164004

10-28-2009, 10:07 AM	#8
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,968 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	Wow.... Lots of hostility.... I am with Shore Things on this... we can debate ad nauseum the causes of global warming but no doubt it is real and climate change is happening FAST. Climates are constantly changing, but this usually occurs over thousands of years... sometimes millions of years! We have seen a rapid warm up over the span of less than 100 years! To think that a population of 7 BILLION humans doesnt have some effect on the planets climate is silly. Millions of tons of pollutants (organic and man made)are spewed into the atmosphere every day... even more from developing countries like China and India who dont have the same environmental concerns & controls we Americans have in place. The only thing we can do is to strive to minimize the human effect on the planets atmosphere. The US Govt has spent BILLIONS on studying the atmosphere... I have worked on a few of the satellites designed for this. Solar, Wind, Tidal and Nuclear are all choices that should be on the table! We need to use fossil fuels as a bridge to cleaner energy. Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

10-28-2009, 06:40 PM	#10
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Chewing The Cud... Cow burps, known in polite circles as eructation, emit 200 to 400 quarts of methane gas (each) per day, or 50 million metric tons per year. Read on; http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...ths-atmosphere I am 100% for wind power. __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

10-22-2009, 04:26 PM	#1
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	I would be very curious about what the output potential for some of the windmills shown would be, particularly if used in the vicinity of the broads. I'd also be curious about clearance radius needed. It would seem the "mariah" type would need the least clearance particularly as it would not need to pivot if the wind direction changes.

10-27-2009, 11:06 PM	#4
Cobalt 25 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 228 Thanks: 228 Thanked 36 Times in 20 Posts	shore things, you stated, "Any scientist that responds to questioning of their work with derisions and insults deserves suspicion." Does that also apply to members of this forum responding, " I hope you and your buddies keep getting exasperated. The ignorant masses are rejecting your political BS. And while we are on the topic of faith, I guess you and your buddies reject God because it is based on faith?" and, "I spent way too much time on this troll. I don't need to debate, I need to find a way we can fire teachers like you." not to mention the previously quoted PM. I have a bias, of course, but it seems to me that Shed is being much more civil than most of his/her critics. I also believe that the topic of windmills is an excellent opportunity to discuss global warming. I doubt very many peoples' opinions have changed as a result of the discussion, but at least we have a chance to share ideas. Peter

10-28-2009, 05:30 AM	#5
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	If it is going to be a discussion then both sides need to keep an open mind and attempt to be respectful. As this thread shows, once one side is disrepectful of the other it becomes personal and escalates, or perhaps degenerates is a better word. The merits and flaws of the real issue are then either forgotten or ignored in favor of easier targets.

10-28-2009, 08:37 PM	#9
Rattlesnake Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 423 Thanked 366 Times in 175 Posts	One big reason to not burn up all the oil is we won't be able to make all the plastic stuff we are gonna want in the future. I would have much preferred the stimulus went to green energy projects instead of using up more oil to make all the highways even blacker (to absorb more heat). Please don't get me wrong, I would have much preferred no stimulus at all.

11-03-2009, 09:36 PM	#11
JPC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Milford, NH Posts: 163 Thanks: 45 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts	WMUR Chronicle on Wind Power Did anyone watch Chronicle this evening? They did a segment on the Lempster NH wind mills. I didn't know it but there are 13 wind towers there. It was quite interesting.