new boat.. see you out there!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I could use a little Adrenalin rush!

Well if you really have one, I will definately take you up on it. I have a couple of ads out to trade but if that doesn't happen think up a price and I will take you up on it if it works out.

Any dings on it?

Two killed in this high-speed crash;
http://www.milforddailynews.com/news...ision-in-Maine

It amazes me how many of these there have been once one looks for them. There are literally dozens of high-speed fatal boating accidents every year. They must be one of those stories that has become so common that the news barely mentions them in passing now. I could probably post another one every five minutes for the next three months if I wanted to stay logged on that long. Given the number of them, it's amazing that we didn't have on eon Winnipesaukee in over a year...oh ya...we had a speed limit.

[BroadHopper]

If you look at the header, its a 25' LH Bravo 1 3 blade. Solid hub. When you ask me for a ride, I couldn't resist!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

If you look at the header, its a 25' LH Bravo 1 3 blade. Solid hub. When you ask me for a ride, I couldn't resist!

Ahh.. I would try it but I think the 4 blade is the way to go.. Trust me you are going to get a ride regardless.. I can't wait to test out the new engine next year. I just don't know if I will be putting a paint job on or not...

I may just leave her white and have the A/T symbol painted on (right now it's vinal and have OCD done on the sides and top.)

Only one lady was killed when this guy slammed into a sailboat, Wonder what kind of prop he had?
http://iteamblog.abc7news.com/2007/0...boat-cras.html

[DEJ]

Once you get a prop and try it out there are many prop shops that can tweek it for you for optimum performance.

[OCDACTIVE]

The paint job will really only depend on what is wrong.. if it is simply 2 pistons then it should be fine. But I was also looking to cut out the compass in front of the passenger and insert an 8 inch GPS. Where the boost gauge is put in a flat compass by livorsi. Pretty cool.. Hoping for new throttles as well.

Hey easy question. My water pressure gauge works but it is only reading like 5 psi as speed when it should be 40. I was thinking of getting a new one but someone said the sender may need replacing. Any experience with that?

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Once you get a prop and try it out there are many prop shops that can tweek it for you for optimum performance.

Are there any around the lake that you know of? someone you can recommend?

this boat "flipped, capsized and sunk" while "traveling between 90 and 120 mph", killing FOUR people;
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BOAT+M...SH.-a090640393

[DEJ]

I will get that info for you, none around the lake that I know of.

[OCDACTIVE]

if you look top left you can see the Flat Livorsi compass. The one I hope to have is similar to the size of the smaller bottom gauges.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Ahh.. I would try it but I think the 4 blade is the way to go.. Trust me you are going to get a ride regardless.. I can't wait to test out the new engine next year. I just don't know if I will be putting a paint job on or not...

I may just leave her white and have the A/T symbol painted on (right now it's vinal and have OCD done on the sides and top.)

With the 3 blade, I was experiencing blow outs from a standing start or when cornering. The 4 blade cures this. As well as less vibration.

Powerboat Mag ran an article a while ago about a graphic house that prints on vinyl decals for boats. The decals runs the whole length of the boat and claims to be about 5 times cheaper than a real paint job. There is a 5 year warrantee on the vinyl.

One dead;
http://www.topix.com/forum/sacramento/TNL3DLDV73ORC0C5L

[DEJ]

The 4 blade I agree will be the best choice.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

With the 3 blade, I was experiencing blow outs from a standing start or when cornering. The 4 blade cures this. As well as less vibration.

Powerboat Mag ran an article a while ago about a graphic house that prints on vinyl decals for boats. The decals runs the whole length of the boat and claims to be about 5 times cheaper than a real paint job. There is a 5 year warrantee on the vinyl.

I meant to ask... I have many of the past years PB magazines. Do you know what year? month? or issue it happened to be?

This one is great for seeing how difficult it is to convict when you don't have a defined limit. The poor girl killed in this crash will probably never get justice; http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...eam&id=5832004

Most memorable quote: "The problem is when you don't have a speed limit and you've got to rely on the safe speed laws, the issue is very vague."

And what does this exchange sound like?;
Q: "If Chief Deputy Perdock was going 10 miles an hour, would Lynn Thornton have died?"
A: "I can't answer that."

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I meant to ask... I have many of the past years PB magazines. Do you know what year? month? or issue it happened to be?

I have years to go thru! Check these sights while I try to find the article.

http://www.signzoo.com/graphic-wraps/Marine-Wraps

http://www.stickers4u.com/patriotic_graphics.htm

http://www.skinzwraps.com/vinyl-boat-graphics.html

http://www.jaxwraps.com/Our_Services/Boat_Wraps.aspx

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I have years to go thru! Check these sights while I try to find the article.

http://www.signzoo.com/graphic-wraps/Marine-Wraps

http://www.stickers4u.com/patriotic_graphics.htm

http://www.skinzwraps.com/vinyl-boat-graphics.html

http://www.jaxwraps.com/Our_Services/Boat_Wraps.aspx

don't go out of your way.. I really am not sold on vinal.... I like paint.. but it is very impressive!

Luckily, ONE of the passengers in this high speed crash survived;
http://lakeconews.com/index2.php?opt..._pdf=1&id=9389

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

don't go out of your way.. I really am not sold on vinal.... I like paint.. but it is very impressive!

When I bought my boat in VA, The previous owner painted the boat with automotive paint. (He was a body repairman) The paint is very fragile. It was cracking, chipping and peeling everywhere! Last year, I had the boat stripped to it's gel coat and repainted with IMRON. Much more durable and expensive! After two summers, it survived very well.
Just thought I let you know my experience about paint.
You can use a gel coat but it is wicked expensive!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

When I bought my boat in VA, The previous owner painted the boat with automotive paint. (He was a body repairman) The paint is very fragile. It was cracking, chipping and peeling everywhere! Last year, I had the boat stripped to it's gel coat and repainted with IMRON. Much more durable and expensive! After two summers, it survived very well.
Just thought I let you know my experience about paint.
You can use a gel coat but it is wicked expensive!

I have heard those stories as well and know to be VERY very careful who does it...

Same reason you never let an auto mechanic work on your boat!

A whole family was killed in this one;
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/...y_say_goodbye/

[DEJ]

I agree OCD. Lot of money one can spend and get ripped off if not careful.

[fatlazyless]

Post #115 is all about a California lake, night time collision between a motorboat going 50-60-mph, driven by a local county deputy sheriff sergeant, off-duty, and a sailboat resulting in the death of a women who was the chief investigator for the California Dental Board.

...her dying words....."oh please....getting three defective root canals all at once, would have been less painfull than death by a four-bladed stainless propeller, even without the novacain"......(sorry-couldn't resist....my bad)


...and don't-ya-know....who gets indicted?......not the sergeant......but the sailboat tiller-man for supposed operat'n with no navigation lights.....a claim disputed by several witnesses.....read all about it in #115........verrrrry interesting....

[Pineedles]

Hey guys, thanks for the education Props to you!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

Hey guys, thanks for the education Props to you!

sorry if we got a little off topic but the thread was originally in the boating thread when originally made then it went off subject and it was locked down when SL's weren't being discussed. It was reopened here.

Some trolling may try to take it off track but you have to see past that...

I have learned SO much from forums on different boating aspects it is amazing.

PS: the ignore button really makes it a much more pleasant experience here.

[DEJ]

I love the ignore function this site offers.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by DEJ

I agree OCD. Lot of money one can spend and get ripped off if not careful.

in all seriousness it may not be even be intentional... Many times they build the engine correctly to Auto standards. But they are completely opposite especially from a compression stand point.

Keep in mind a car or truck runs at 2000 - 3000 normally where boats are 3000 to 5000 depending.. Alot more torque and hardship on the engine.

It needs to be compensated for.

[BroadHopper]

A boat is running under constant load. Much like a car running on a hill. So durability and torque is an issue. Most blocks are truck blocks and valve timing is more for torque. I can go on and on.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by elchase

Seems I'm the only one staying on topic today...this is the Anti Speed Limit thread, no? Let's move the engine/prop talk over to the Boating threads and leave this thread to discussion of the dangers of high speed boating.

This high speed collision had four deaths. The driver was going so fast at night that he didn't even see the anchored barge he smashed into. Wouldn't it have been a coincidence if that barge had been named "Eagle Island" or "Diamond Island"? I bet he coudl have stopped in time if he was only going 25;
http://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/2008...e/2008_17.aspx

Actually, the topic of this thread is "new boat...see you out there". And that is what is being discussed.
Nice try, but thanks for playing.

And to think you don't consider yourself to be a troll.

Originally Posted by chipj29

Actually, the topic of this thread is "new boat...see you out there". And that is what is being discussed.

But the title of the section is "Speed Limits". There is a "Boating" section to talk about new boats. This section is to talk about speed limits and things related. The reason this thread was started in this section is obvious...and therein lies the trolling.

Here's one in which a guy plowed into a pylon at 70MPH;
http://www.theleader.com.au/news/loc...4.aspx?src=rss

ouch.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by elchase

But the title of the section is "Speed Limits". There is a "Boating" section to talk about new boats. This section is to talk about speed limits and things related. The reason this thread was started in this section is obvious...and therein lies the trolling.

But if your memory was as good as you think it is, then you would remember that this thread was started in the Boating section. It was moved to the Speed Limit Sub-forum after it got off track, and understandably so, if this was my boat I would be talking about how fast I would like to go with it as well.

Originally Posted by jmen24

But if your memory was as good as you think it is, then you would remember that this thread was started in the Boating section. It was moved to the Speed Limit Sub-forum after it got off track, and understandably so, if this was my boat I would be talking about how fast I would like to go with it as well.

It is in the Speed Limit section now. You guys turned it into a speed limit bashing thread so it got moved. Go back and start a new thread about props and new boats in the Boating section and stay on topic and it won't get moved and I won't take part.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by jmen24

But if your memory was as good as you think it is, then you would remember that this thread was started in the Boating section. It was moved to the Speed Limit Sub-forum after it got off track, and understandably so, if this was my boat I would be talking about how fast I would like to go with it as well.

Thanks Jmen24... I appreciate it but it is best not even to bother. Most everything he writes now is blocked by most of us so we don't even know or care what he is saying. You may want to do the same.

Thanks for the support. I really am excited about the boat. Saved for 4 years and worked very very hard to get the one I wanted. It was a shame it only lasted 12 hours last season but it gave me a good excuse to save for upgrades and gas for next season.

I am hoping to set up a meeting some weekend so that all of us can meet face to face and maybe do some runs up and down the lake. I am always up for giving rides if you are interested.

Take care!

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by elchase

It is in the Speed Limit section now. You guys turned it into a speed limit bashing thread so it got moved. Go back and start a new thread about props and new boats in the Boating section and stay on topic and it won't get moved and I won't take part.

Let the guy talk about his boat, that was the original intent of this thread. You started a thread on sailing and based on the number of people ignoring you, you would be able to talk to yourself till you are blue in the face about something you enjoy without anyone bothering you.

If OCD wants to discuss props for his boat in the thread he started about his boat than let him. We are not in high school anymore, it is time to grow up.

I am taking my own advice, the button has been pushed!

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by elchase

Two killed in this high-speed crash;
http://www.milforddailynews.com/news...ision-in-Maine

It amazes me how many of these there have been once one looks for them. There are literally dozens of high-speed fatal boating accidents every year. They must be one of those stories that has become so common that the news barely mentions them in passing now. I could probably post another one every five minutes for the next three months if I wanted to stay logged on that long. Given the number of them, it's amazing that we didn't have on eon Winnipesaukee in over a year...oh ya...we had a speed limit.

How did the speed limit not work here?????

And how did the Maine Legislature shoot down the proposed speed limit after the Long Lake conviction?

Here's one where a formula "traveling at a high rate of speed" crashed and killed two people;

http://www.newstimes.com/brookfield/ci_9929801

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by elchase

Here's one where a formula "traveling at a high rate of speed" crashed and killed two people;

http://www.newstimes.com/brookfield/ci_9929801

Hmmmmm....didn't I just post that above. Doesn't help your cause.

A lake with a Speed Limit, and there was a boat crash with a fatality?

Let me guess, a speed limit doesn't stop ALL high speed crashes???? Maybe he was drinking....

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Hmmmmm....didn't I just post that above. Doesn't help your cause.

A lake with a Speed Limit, and there was a boat crash with a fatality?

Let me guess, a speed limit doesn't stop ALL high speed crashes???? Maybe he was drinking....

Don't know about you but I don't want all highway speed limits repealed just because a drunk may not obey them. BTW, cops often pick up the DUI's because they're being too careful to obey the speed limit and going significantly below the speed limit.

So a drunk boater going too fast crashes and kills two people and this somehow makes the argument that boats should be able to go as fast as they want? Should CT's BUI law be repealed too, since he didn't obey that? At least now they can throw the book at him. Had there been no BUI or SL laws, maybe he would have walked. But maybe that is what some of you guys are really concerned about....getting off after you've killed someone.

[OCDACTIVE]

Having second thoughts of putting in the flat compass in the dash. They don't make a size that will match and will have to put a fitting or housing in the open hole for it to fit.

I already have a depth gauge. so if you guys have a second any thoughts as to what other gauge would work here? I think I have everything covered but am definately up for suggestions.

Threw the last picture in as a fond memory.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by elchase

So a drunk boater going too fast crashes and kills two people and this somehow makes the argument that boats should be able to go as fast as they want? Should CT's BUI law be repealed too, since he didn't obey that? At least now they can throw the book at him. Had there been no BUI or SL laws, maybe he would have walked. But maybe that is what some of you guys are really concerned about....getting off after you've killed someone.

Sorry, you cannot have it both ways.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by elchase

Here's one where a formula "traveling at a high rate of speed" crashed and killed two people;

http://www.newstimes.com/brookfield/ci_9929801

2008 - Connecticut

Originally Posted by Ryan

Sorry, you cannot have it both ways.

It is you that cannot have it both ways. I only want it one way. I want it just like last summer from now on.

Originally Posted by hazelnut

2008 - Connecticut

So what? 9-11 was in NY, does that mean it is not of interest to Granite Staters? Are the people in NH constructed differently?

One dead in this one;
http://www.live5news.com/Global/story.asp?S=11280141

[DEJ]

Hnut, use the ignore function, it works great.

Here's another fatality in NJ;
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...ounts_key.html

[DoTheMath]

Hmmm... I like that idea, show me the way people, show me the way!

[DoTheMath]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I have heard those stories as well and know to be VERY very careful who does it...

Same reason you never let an auto mechanic work on your boat!

OCD - You should have Pat do it for you, it's 1/2 way there now, so might as well tow it the rest of the way down and get it done right. You know he'll treat you right on the price and do an amazing job! Just keep it classy and "resellable" cuz you know you'll be buying a 33' in a few years and you don't want to have the same (potential) issue that SL had - although I personally loved his paint job!

As for the water pressure gauge, where is the sender located? I used to install them up by the t-stat housing, or down low in the block and run a full mechanical gauge - so water line all the way from sender to the dash, don't do a mechanical / electric, not as accurate or reliable.

For the empty hole, do you have a clock? How about oil temp? Or drive lube temp? There are a bunch of valuable gauges you can install - the more info the better!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by DoTheMath

Hmmm... I like that idea, show me the way people, show me the way!

No problem. I have been getting this same request thru my PM's so I might as well tell everyone:

Go to: User CP - at the top of your screen
Left side Go to: Edit Ignore list
Enter: el.... oops I mean the person you want to ignore.

You will no longer get notified of the posts and they do not appear (Great function)

only thing you see is if it is copied from another user.

Happy Un-trolling.

Another one in FL takes the life of another 17 yr old girl. The boat entered the harbor "at a high rate of speed," officials said;
http://www.allbusiness.com/safety-ac...3127527-1.html

We should go back to letting cowboys like this decide how fast they want to boat, eh? Then we can start having deadly accidents like these again. (he said facetiously)

[BroadHopper]

Go into the person's profile and click on the ignore function. You won't be able to see his posts but you will be able to see his quotes in those replies of people who are not in the ignore list.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by DoTheMath

OCD - You should have Pat do it for you, it's 1/2 way there now, so might as well tow it the rest of the way down and get it done right. You know he'll treat you right on the price and do an amazing job! Just keep it classy and "resellable" cuz you know you'll be buying a 33' in a few years and you don't want to have the same (potential) issue that SL had - although I personally loved his paint job!

As for the water pressure gauge, where is the sender located? I used to install them up by the t-stat housing, or down low in the block and run a full mechanical gauge - so water line all the way from sender to the dash, don't do a mechanical / electric, not as accurate or reliable.

For the empty hole, do you have a clock? How about oil temp? Or drive lube temp? There are a bunch of valuable gauges you can install - the more info the better!

I think I may just end up putting the OCD on the sides with the AT Oval / logo on the back.. It is easy enough for someone to paint over.. but honestly this is my "step up" boat. I originally was going for the 25 and someone said I would want the 28 years to come. So I waited and did my inital step up..

My wife would kill me if I ever wanted to go bigger. Plus on the logistical side I don't have the huge $$$$ to do that..... (opposed to some peoples thoughts we are not all 200K trust fund babies).. So I am at my limit especially with a young son and who knows when the second will come.

As far at the gauges and senders................ You and I are gonna have to hang out! Great ideas.. boat is in VA so I don't know where the sender is coming from. I will ask the guy rebuilding to take a look before I start replacing expensive gauges.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

You will no longer get notified of the posts and they do not appear (Great function)

But it's not the eight of you that I am posting this stuff for anyway. I just want the rest of the readership to understand how widespread this carnage is and how lucky we are to have ended it (fingers crossed) in NH. You eight are never going to appreciate the danger in what you do, but I'm showing everyone else what is going on all around us. And it's very hard for me to accept that OCD is not peeking anyway. Maybe even he will be converted once he sees how massive this problem is that already took the life of my dear friend.

I was going to keep posting these accident reports every few minutes; one after the next. There are enough to do this for months, but I've just been put on a five posts per day limit, so I'll only be able to post five times a day now. At that rate, I'll be able to post pretty much for ever, because there are probably more that five fatal high speed accidents every day. Don't know why anyone who boats would not want to know how common this problem is and how dangerous high-speed boating is.

[DoTheMath]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Go into the person's profile and click on the ignore function. You won't be able to see his posts but you will be able to see his quotes in those replies of people who are not in the ignore list.

Thank you!

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by DEJ

I love the ignore function this site offers.

Man, I didn't know it existed. Thank you very much.

[BroadHopper]

How about a Flowmeter? With gas prices going up, it is important that you know your GPH at any rpm.

http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/ser...sid=14&catid=2

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Man, I didn't know it existed. Thank you very much.

I know. Someone PM'd me the info a little while ago.. It just wasn't worth dealing with anymore.. It has made the forums enjoyable again. Don't get me wrong I like a spirted argument and enjoy discussing topics, even when they get heated. There are just those who have motives to get the threads shut down and pretty much will say anything to move their agenda along. So again that function helps weed that unpleasant aspect out.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

How about a Flowmeter? With gas prices going up, it is important that you know your GPH at any rpm.

http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/ser...sid=14&catid=2

OH GOD NO!! I don't even want to calculate that.... thanks though.

I actually heard a salesman say to a first time person purchasing a boat when they asked what MPG do you get? He responded: If you ask that question you shouldn't be buying a boat. Wow was he right.. LOL

[Seeker]

OCD, I think they make a TIDF (Troll Identification and Direction Finder gauge) that will fit right in a 2 1/8 in hole.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Seeker

OCD, I think they make a TIDF (Troll Identification and Direction Finder gauge) that will fit right in a 2 1/8 in hole.

LMAO!!!! I literally just choked on goldfish.. Thanks I needed that...

However you should patent that idea quickly.. I think there would be huge market for those. You could put your advertisement at the top of the page.

[OCDACTIVE]

hey dothemath.. so can I convince you to tow to Jammin this year?

[BroadHopper]

I will be heading down to Lake Norman in NC for the holidays. My sister lives in a lake association. They pretty much boat year round down there.

There are some bad butt boats down there. It is the NASCAR racers playground. I thought I saw some toys here on the big lake. You should the babies they have down there!

They have the biggest rafting party ever! Spreading from one end of the lake to the other!

OCD maybe you can do a preseason test in NC. I'm sure sis would not mind a couple of boaters for a weekend.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I will be heading down to Lake Norman in NC for the holidays. My sister lives in a lake association. They pretty much boat year round down there.

There are some bad butt boats down there. It is the NASCAR racers playground. I thought I saw some toys here on the big lake. You should the babies they have down there!

They have the biggest rafting party ever! Spreading from one end of the lake to the other!

OCD maybe you can do a preseason test in NC. I'm sure sis would not mind a couple of boaters for a weekend.

Not a bad idea.. how far out of richmond is that?

[DoTheMath]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I think I may just end up putting the OCD on the sides with the AT Oval / logo on the back.. It is easy enough for someone to paint over.. but honestly this is my "step up" boat. I originally was going for the 25 and someone said I would want the 28 years to come. So I waited and did my inital step up..

My wife would kill me if I ever wanted to go bigger. Plus on the logistical side I don't have the huge $$$$ to do that..... (opposed to some peoples thoughts we are not all 200K trust fund babies).. So I am at my limit especially with a young son and who knows when the second will come.

As far at the gauges and senders................ You and I are gonna have to hang out! Great ideas.. boat is in VA so I don't know where the sender is coming from. I will ask the guy rebuilding to take a look before I start replacing expensive gauges.

Sounds good, I believe that "less is more" at times when it comes to paint on a boat, esp. if it's a nice boat with nice lines like the AT's.

And if you need / want any help with the mechanical stuff - rigging, etc... let me know - be happy to help. I always seem to be doing something to my boats, I just enjoy the work and doing it myself, that way I know it has been done right and the process behind it. I had bought a brand new (factory order) Formula back in 2000, had Lingenfelter power in it, I spent about 50 hours on the boat before I took it out the first time. I pulled the dash panel and all the gauges, repainted the panel, added / replaced gauges, mechanical indicators, etc... It came out nice - then sold it to a guy on L. Tahoe a year later.

This is what you have to look forward to with your little guy, this is my son a couple summers ago at 2 1/2 y.o. - he's 4 1/ 2 now and loves being out on the water!

[DoTheMath]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

hey dothemath.. so can I convince you to tow to Jammin this year?

You can try - but not sure that'll happen, but... I never say never!

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Not a bad idea.. how far out of richmond is that?

About 4 hrs and 15 mins down I-85. You can meet me there and we can bring the boat back up here together.

[VtSteve]

With the GPS, I didn't have much use for the speedo anymore. That was a good thing, because my "seasoned" mechanic didn't hook up the cable after they aligned the drive.

OCD, I've heard that the 28 AT is pretty darn competent in big water. From what I've heard about Lake Norman, that would be an interesting test. There are a few larger boats, say 33, that have great headroom in the cabin, 6' and as high as 6'7. That would make for a great dual purpose boat as well.

I've heard there's definite interest in adding more diesel power to models as well. The increase in mileage is extraordinary.

[LIforrelaxin]

I think I here OCD screaming as BH twists on his arm!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess can understand the desire of those who want to boat at unlimited speeds to see this stuff stifled. It is pretty devastating to see how many high-speed boating collisions we have every year and how many people usually die in them. I can see why some want to keep me limited to five posts per day so information like this is not seen. But I can’t understand the argument that this is less relevant in a Speed Limit thread than someone’s new prop.

FIVE dead and nine injured when this guy “slammed into a docked tug boat”; http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...-crash-041309/

[DEJ]

I can hear him scream as well.

[VtSteve]

I experimented with props both last year and this year. Last year was with a 21" Rev 4, which proved to be too large. This year, I tried a 21" Laser II, which is still on the boat.

The stock prop was a 21" Black Max aluminum. So far, the Laser II has dropped RPM's by about 400, and the speed is down as well. Since this summer was somewhat time-challenged on the water, I didn't have the opportunity to do more scientific testing, eliminating other variables, and doing a head to head alum/SS test under identical conditions.

I will say one thing about the Laser, it was far more efficient than the aluminum blade, and gave the boat better steering control, and much better cruising attitude.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by elchase

I guess can understand the desire of those who want to boat at unlimited speeds to see this stuff stifled. It is pretty devastating to see how many high-speed boating collisions we have every year and how many people usually die in them. I can see why some want to keep me limited to five posts per day so information like this is not seen. But I can’t understand the argument that this is less relevant in a Speed Limit thread than someone’s new prop.

FIVE dead and nine injured when this guy “slammed into a docked tug boat”; http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...-crash-041309/

Not sure who is being stifled here. People are choosing to ignore you on their own.
And from the article, I am not sure where this accident is directly related to speed:
"Joy Hill, spokeswoman for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, said investigators are looking at several factors including speed, capacity of the boat, lighting and whether people were drinking".

Of course there are horrible boating accidents that happen all across our country. No one here has disputed that. But the relevance of these accidents, especially those accidents which were not directly related to excessive speed (in excess of 45/25), is being disputed.

[OCDACTIVE]

Wow I step away for a little while and everyone comes online..

Lets see:

Dothemath: Yes please if I can take you up on the offer.. Whatever I can't get done in VA, perhaps you could give me a hand? That would be awesome. I also would love to do the work myself but I am timid to do anything because I do not have the experience. I have friends that work on cars and such but again I would prefer someone with marine experience. So if you are really up for it that would be GREAT! Also, I just can't wait to have my son at the wheel. Only good times to come! As far as jammin on the james.. Seriously, if you go once you will never stop. It has become a yearly family tradition. It is set up so well and the people are so helpful. Let me know if you need details for I am very good friends with the organizers (actually one of them is doing the rebuild)

BH: I seriously would love to head down that way. I have friends who are there... It will really all depend on when I go to get her next spring and if she has been tested. If she has been then I might just take you up on that. If not I may have to do the testing on the James river with the mechanic. But I will definately keep that in mind. I am sure we will have some good times next season regardless of where.

VTsteve: The 28 has incredible room. If you look at the AT its cockpit depth is about 1-2 feet greater then most any other brands. Reason being is its top goes as high up as the windshield on other different models so the bow is higher to begin with. This is why there is so much headroom on the A/T's. Not to mention the extreme Deep hull. This allows for it to crush waves like a 30 ft (insert other brand here) . Like I said whenever you want to check her out I am up for it! Just ask Kracken, he's seen her in person.

APS: you mentioned this thread in a different thread but to bring the conversation back to the proper thread: again this was originally in the boating section, it was moved when the discussion went off on a tagent. I do not have the ability to move it back. It is fine here for this way the discussion, if it does get off subject again on SL (due to the type of boat I have) is fine. You can take off your law enforcement badge now.
As for my engine being abused. Please tell me where you got that data? I had a professional survey done and know the previous owners. They are maticulous with their servicing. So if you know now of why my engine (that you have never seen or have experience with) has issues please enlighten us all. That would be a wonderful talent that you should share with not only me but the world. A man able to diagnoss engine failure without running a test or seeing it.
As far as the polling goes, the compromise poll was the first poll made. Then it was argued "by supporters" that if we had a poll that was "one way or the other" that the result would be entirely different..... Well that didnt happen so now lets attack the poll???
As far as having my boat painted and fixed in VA, how do you know I didn't solicit people in the lakes region. Fact is I did and was told by many different marinas around the lake that they couldn't handle the job. Do you think I wanted to tow a boat 12 hours straight? taking time off work? risking damage to the boat on such a long tow? Think will you before you speak. If you also search my threads: I have asked if their was any specialized painters in the lakes region. Again there wasn't any that would fit the position.

Anyway, Thank you everyone for the help and suggestions on the new boat. This website just goes to show what people can accomplish and figure out if issues are brought to light. I really do appreciate all the help. Please keep the ideas coming.

cheers!!

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Not sure who is being stifled here. People are choosing to ignore you on their own.
And from the article, I am not sure where this accident is directly related to speed:
"Joy Hill, spokeswoman for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, said investigators are looking at several factors including speed, capacity of the boat, lighting and whether people were drinking".

Of course there are horrible boating accidents that happen all across our country. No one here has disputed that. But the relevance of these accidents, especially those accidents which were not directly related to excessive speed (in excess of 45/25), is being disputed.

Forget it chip it won't register with him. He is lost in his own little world. Facts do not apply in this fantasy land. Only painting this picture of horror and tragedy that has absolutely nothing to do with reality. I for one am enjoying the show. He reinforces the stereotype of the typical SL supporter with every post. Fear and scare tactics, facts need not apply.

[DoTheMath]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Dothemath: Yes please if I can take you up on the offer.. Whatever I can't get done in VA, perhaps you could give me a hand? That would be awesome. I also would love to do the work myself but I am timid to do anything because I do not have the experience. I have friends that work on cars and such but again I would prefer someone with marine experience. So if you are really up for it that would be GREAT! Also, I just can't wait to have my son at the wheel. Only good times to come! As far as jammin on the james.. Seriously, if you go once you will never stop. It has become a yearly family tradition. It is set up so well and the people are so helpful. Let me know if you need details for I am very good friends with the organizers (actually one of them is doing the rebuild)

Absolutely - once you get it back, figure out what's left and we'll tackle it. If you can get any preliminary info (before you get it back) on what holes in the dash you'll want to fill /add to etc, that will be good for planning purposes. I've got a bunch of tools, (rotary cutters, etc...) so don't buy anything like that, I'm sure I have just about anything we'd need. As for Jammin' - I'll think about, I know it's a good run - it's just a logistical / timing thing.

Now we get to wait out the winter - it's gonna be looooong I'm betting!

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by elchase

FIVE dead and nine injured when this guy “slammed into a docked tug boat”; http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...-crash-041309/

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

Another one in FL takes the life of another 17 yr old girl. The boat entered the harbor "at a high rate of speed," officials said;
http://www.allbusiness.com/safety-ac...3127527-1.html

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

Here's another fatality in NJ;
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...ounts_key.html

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

One dead in this one;
http://www.live5news.com/Global/story.asp?S=11280141

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

Here's one where a formula "traveling at a high rate of speed" crashed and killed two people;

http://www.newstimes.com/brookfield/ci_9929801

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

Here's one in which a guy plowed into a pylon at 70MPH;
http://www.theleader.com.au/news/loc...4.aspx?src=rss

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

A whole family was killed in this one;
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/...y_say_goodbye/

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

Luckily, ONE of the passengers in this high speed crash survived;
http://lakeconews.com/index2.php?opt..._pdf=1&id=9389

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

This one is great for seeing how difficult it is to convict when you don't have a defined limit. The poor girl killed in this crash will probably never get justice; http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...eam&id=5832004

Yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

One dead;
http://www.topix.com/forum/sacramento/TNL3DLDV73ORC0C5L

Yawn...

Anyone else falling asleep from the repetitiveness?? Wait, there's more...

Originally Posted by elchase

this boat "flipped, capsized and sunk" while "traveling between 90 and 120 mph", killing FOUR people;
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BOAT+M...SH.-a090640393

Double yawn...

Originally Posted by elchase

Two killed in this high-speed crash;
http://www.milforddailynews.com/news...ision-in-Maine

I can't take anymore, I am going to sleep. Shake me if anything changes

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Lucky1

Don't we all want a safe lake for all? I mean why boast about breaking the rules? Not a good example for young people either.

No kidding! I should have entered this discussion from day-1, but it reads like the chatroom at SOS.

Things picked up about 2005, when SOS noticed that a whole lot of subscribers were dying in Poker Run collisions—(plus making victims of a few of those other boaters of no great consequence). The SOS forums disappeared into smoke-filled chatrooms—hidden from view by us "ordinary boaters".

Originally Posted by Boater

"...Do you realize that the Marine Patrol reads this forum? You've showed them pictures of your boat and made it clear that you intend to come here (from NY?) and intentionally disregard the law..."

Not only that, but isn't the owner in the demographic age category of "highest-risk"—like Erika?

Originally Posted by elchase

"...The driver was going so fast at night that he didn't even see the anchored barge he smashed into..."

That was in Australia: I guess the owner never had a chance to vote in any of OCD's poll(s).

I guess you missed the nine that died colliding with an anchored barge near my former home—this June.

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I could use a little Adrenalin rush!

Please: Have that—and any other hormonal or chemical stimulations—away from the lake. Wait a minute! You can get an Adrenalin rush in any sailboat off Rattlesnake Island!

Originally Posted by elchase

"...Two killed in this high-speed crash;
http://www.milforddailynews.com/news...ision-in-Maine

It amazes me how many of these there have been once one looks for them. There are literally dozens of high-speed fatal boating accidents every year. They must be one of those stories that has become so common that the news barely mentions them in passing now..."

Those accounts will eventually disappear from the Internet: make hard copies. You can duplicate them as you discuss these collisions with legislators concerned about drunk and reckless boating. (Unless a Citizen headline makes a meeting moot, that is).

Originally Posted by DEJ

I love the ignore function this site offers.

When used as "blinders" by a cult, it's not in the spirit of free exchange of ideas—but you knew that already.

Originally Posted by chipj29

"...Actually, the topic of this thread is "new boat...see you out there"..."

It's a "Vanity".

(Meaning, a vain exercise, sometimes with only one contributor).

BTW: Don opened the "Donate" button open months ago: I suggest everybody here—particularly all contributors at these Anti-Speed-Limit threads. (That's where oversized photos of oversized boats (and overlong mutual-admiration of each other's—whatevers) has been using up bandwidth all season.

Originally Posted by jmen24

"...You started a thread on sailing and based on the number of people ignoring you, you would be able to talk to yourself till you are blue in the face about something you enjoy without anyone bothering you..."

Except for weather and wakes, sailing has no death-dealing controversies to keep the pot stirred. Too many sailing fatalities are produced as a result of the overextended throttles of their two- and three-engined ocean-racers who speed across inland lakes without considering other boaters.

Originally Posted by elchase

"...We should go back to letting cowboys like this decide how fast they want to boat, eh? Then we can start having deadly accidents like these again..."

Please. Two headlines in recent memory are enough.

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

"...I will be heading down to Lake Norman..."

Finally, some good news!

Please ask somebody at Lake Norman how many survived the Baja that launched from Lake Norman, jumped the guard rail onto I-75, and hit a truck!
I never saw a followup, and elchase will want to have a printout.

Originally Posted by DoTheMath

"...this is my son a couple summers ago at 2 1/2 y.o. - he's 4 1/ 2 now and loves being out on the water...!"

Has The Cult been reading the warnings and disclaimers on the newest PFDs? (Don may have a copy of the exact wording).

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

"...APS...to bring the conversation back to the proper thread...You can take off your law enforcement badge now...As for my engine being abused. Please tell me where you got that data...?"

Right here:

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Just bought her yesterday.. Look forward to seeing you all out there!!!!

You got 12 hours out of the engine, and don't consider that abuse?

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

"...so now lets attack the poll...???

OK.

The most accurate poll could have been answered in one week—an option available to you that wasn't used. In that time, the majority of Winnipesaukee.com forum users (ONLY!) could have voted in that poll.

"Word" gets out to SOS and dozens of SpeedFreak websites, and the voting goes on and on and on. One of your cult can even be read complaining to a sympathetic Volkswagen website!

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

"...risking damage to the boat on such a long tow...?"

The boat? Discounting the risk of injury to others?

Seems to be the trend.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

"...As far as having my boat painted and fixed in VA...I...was told by many different marinas around the lake that they couldn't handle the job...Again there wasn't any that would fit the position..."

Sorry that no skilled New Hampshire workers could meet your demands: a 1½ hour drive through NH probably took you past someone who could have used the work. (Not that I'd ask for altruism during a period of high unemployment). A 12-hour drive probably took you past a hundred willing workers.

I don't "get" the need to paint gelcoat in the first place: it's like painting aluminum canoes—and only FLL does that!

[BroadHopper]

After the boat is put away, I usually hike until the snow flys. Then head for the hills for skiing. I have a sled but only use in when the gang says 'Let's go!' I am a Winnilaker. A bunch of folks who like to raft together and sled together. We have an annual rafting party of Badger Island every year and an annual ski/sled party up at the Beacon in Lincoln. I keep myself busy year round. I get bored easy. Anyone is welcome to join the WinniLakers. A fun group.

[BroadHopper]

Not sure where everyone lives. We can pick a place within easy drive to go. A little bit of a family place in case one has to bring the family. I'm suggesting Heat (JT BBQ) up at the Weirs. Close to Meredith as well as the Weirs. It is not crowded and there is no music to drown out the conversation. Any suggestion?

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

No kidding! I should have entered this discussion from day-1, but it reads like the chatroom at SOS.

Things picked up about 2005, when SOS noticed that a whole lot of subscribers were dying in Poker Run collisions—(plus making victims of a few of those other boaters of no great consequence). The SOS forums disappeared into smoke-filled chatrooms—hidden from view by us "ordinary boaters".


Not only that, but isn't the owner in the demographic age category of "highest-risk"—like Erika?


That was in Australia: I guess the owner never had a chance to vote in any of OCD's poll(s).

I guess you missed the nine that died colliding with an anchored barge near my former home—this June.


Please: Have that—and any other hormonal or chemical stimulations—away from the lake. Wait a minute! You can get an Adrenalin rush in any sailboat off Rattlesnake Island!


Those accounts will eventually disappear from the Internet: make hard copies. You can duplicate them as you discuss these collisions with legislators concerned about drunk and reckless boating. (Unless a Citizen headline makes a meeting moot, that is).


When used as "blinders" by a cult, it's not in the spirit of free exchange of ideas—but you knew that already.


It's a "Vanity".

(Meaning, a vain exercise, sometimes with only one contributor).

BTW: Don opened the "Donate" button open months ago: I suggest everybody here—particularly all contributors at these Anti-Speed-Limit threads. (That's where oversized photos of oversized boats (and overlong mutual-admiration of each other's—whatevers) has been using up bandwidth all season.


Except for weather and wakes, sailing has no death-dealing controversies to keep the pot stirred. Too many sailing fatalities are produced as a result of the overextended throttles of their two- and three-engined ocean-racers who speed across inland lakes without considering other boaters.


Please. Two headlines in recent memory are enough.


Finally, some good news!

Please ask somebody at Lake Norman how many survived the Baja that launched from Lake Norman, jumped the guard rail onto I-75, and hit a truck!
I never saw a followup, and elchase will want to have a printout.


Has The Cult been reading the warnings and disclaimers on the newest PFDs? (Don may have a copy of the exact wording).



Right here:



You got 12 hours out of the engine, and don't consider that abuse?


OK.

The most accurate poll could have been answered in one week—an option available to you that wasn't used. In that time, the majority of Winnipesaukee.com forum users (ONLY!) could have voted in that poll.

"Word" gets out to SOS and dozens of SpeedFreak websites, and the voting goes on and on and on. One of your cult can even be read complaining to a sympathetic Volkswagen website!


The boat? Discounting the risk of injury to others?

Seems to be the trend.


Sorry that no skilled New Hampshire workers could meet your demands: a 1½ hour drive through NH probably took you past someone who could have used the work. (Not that I'd ask for altruism during a period of high unemployment). A 12-hour drive probably took you past a hundred willing workers.

I don't "get" the need to paint gelcoat in the first place: it's like painting aluminum canoes—and only FLL does that!

Did you use the donate button? You are using more BW than anyone else on this forum by "parsing" text and attaching that silly image to everyone of your posts

BTW: I used the donate button.

You don't need to get why anyone does anything or chooses where to have work done- see, this is a free country and we are still allowed to do pretty much as we please with the things that we have worked hard to earn. I sent the heads from my 70 Olds 455 to California to be ported and polished by a guy named Joe Mondello. Perhaps I could have found a local shop to have the same thing done, but Joe is the guru and I felt it was worth the shipping$$.

Abuse? There isn't a motor built in this country that can't run at WOT for 12 hours- obviously some component was weak and gave up the fight. What if it were a sailboat that you bought used and a sail ripped- would that be abuse??

I don't use the ignore button, but when some JA floods the forum with stories that don't even back up his point, I become tempted.

You on the lake today?? I was and didn't see a single sailboat out there especially one with someone wearing a hat with 2 Nat King Cole CDs glued to it.

[Cal]

Originally Posted by elchase

Seems I'm the only one staying on topic today...this is the Anti Speed Limit thread, no? Let's move the engine/prop talk over to the Boating threads and leave this thread to discussion of the dangers of high speed boating.

This high speed collision had four deaths. The driver was going so fast at night that he didn't even see the anchored barge he smashed into. Wouldn't it have been a coincidence if that barge had been named "Eagle Island" or "Diamond Island"? I bet he coudl have stopped in time if he was only going 25;
http://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/2008...e/2008_17.aspx

It's amazing how you had to search world wide for a few storys and some weren't that fast anyway. Now lets hear some stories about speed that don't kill.
Oh, thats right, nobody speaks of those

Originally Posted by Cal

It's amazing how you had to search world wide

Can't find any recent high speed boating accidents on Winnipesaukee to report...oh yeah, that's because we've been basking under the protection of a speed limit.

They should consider a boating speed limit in VA, where accidents are on the rise. I guess "education" and "enforcement of existing laws" didn't do the trick for them either;
http://norfolk.injuryboard.com/misce...oogleid=270684

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by elchase

Can't find any recent high speed boating accidents on Winnipesaukee to report...oh yeah, that's because we've been basking under the protection of a speed limit.

HA HA HA HA HA HA
Best ever! The best post ever by elchase.

Thanks for the morning laugh!

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by Elchase

Can't find any recent high speed boating accidents on Winnipesaukee to report...oh yeah, that's because we've been basking under the protection of a speed limit.

I think he got his Masters Degree in revisionist history in college!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Not sure where everyone lives. We can pick a place within easy drive to go. A little bit of a family place in case one has to bring the family. I'm suggesting Heat (JT BBQ) up at the Weirs. Close to Meredith as well as the Weirs. It is not crowded and there is no music to drown out the conversation. Any suggestion?

will all depend on when... I would be willing to have it at my place.... Get the gang of 8 together.. Although, I don't even know who makes up that gang..

Sunset is welcome as well. Very spirited night.. actually could be fun...

I was actually hoping that there might be a winter party for winni.com members.. any idea if they have ever done that? Mount might be tough.. LOL

This looks like a similar 38' performance boat that flipped in MD "traveling at a high rate of speed" with four persons onboard. All four individuals were ejected from the vessel, but ONLY one died. Wonder what kind of prop he had;
http://www.stmarystoday.com/News/Hig...nPatuxent.html

[BroadHopper]

As most people here are summer residents.

If there are only going to be 8 of us, we can rotate the meetings among the 8 homes.

SOTD and APS will be the highlight of the party! I'm sure they will be civil.

I will be on Lake Norman for a few weeks in Nov., Dec. time frame. I will be spending Thanksgiving with my sister in Mooresville.

If everyone sleds or skis in the winter we can get together for a day of fun this winter.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Threw the last picture in as a fond memory.

Does it make you feel good to post images like this? Probably one of the images was taken with the Tattle Tale switch being on. But why post it in the first place?

I really don't think that you are mature enough to pilot a boat with the potential of reaching speeds over 45 MPH.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by elchase

Can't find any recent high speed boating accidents on Winnipesaukee to report...oh yeah, that's because we've been basking under the protection of a speed limit.

They should consider a boating speed limit in VA, where accidents are on the rise. I guess "education" and "enforcement of existing laws" didn't do the trick for them either;
http://norfolk.injuryboard.com/misce...oogleid=270684

How about "high speed boating accidents" on Winnipesaukee that happened BEFORE we were basking under the protection of a speed limit (which was implemented on January 1, 2009)??

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Does it make you feel good to post images like this? Probably one of the images was taken with the Tattle Tale switch being on. But why post it in the first place?

I really don't think that you are mature enough to pilot a boat with the potential of reaching speeds over 45 MPH.

I agree completely. It is completely immature to post a picture showing what his prized possesion is capable of.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by chipj29

I agree completely. It is completely immature to post a picture showing what his prized possesion is capable of.

Those images aren't showing what his prized possesion is capable of, but what it might just be actually doing.
I think you know what I'm getting at but you just have put your own spin on it.
It just seems immature to post such images about how fast he was going at sometime during the operation of the boat...and if he wasn't on any Lake or Pond in NH doing that speed, why dosen't he just say so.
I don't get it

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Does it make you feel good to post images like this? Probably one of the images was taken with the Tattle Tale switch being on. But why post it in the first place?

I really don't think that you are mature enough to pilot a boat with the potential of reaching speeds over 45 MPH.

How do you know those were taken on the lake? If you read back you will see this was not supposed to be turned into a speed limit thread. It was posted in the boating sections at the beginning of the year before the speed limits were being discussed. It went off on a tangent and ended up here.

As for posting pictures it was in the discussion about the boat itself and I can see the relevance.

As for your beliving I am not mature enough?? Personal attacks will get you no where on here. keep it civil....

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Does it make you feel good to post images like this? Probably one of the images was taken with the Tattle Tale switch being on. But why post it in the first place?

I really don't think that you are mature enough to pilot a boat with the potential of reaching speeds over 45 MPH.

Sam, while I generally enjoy your posts I feel like you are being a bit harsh here? Why? Why are you calling another forum members maturity into question in reference to a photo of a Speedometer? The title of this thead is "New Boat... See tyou out there." The originator of the forum was excited and proud of his new toy. So he subsequently posts various photos and now his maturity is called into question.

Look it's one thing not to understand someone's passion. Harley Riders like loud pipes, Snowmobilers like zipping across the lake, Ice-Fisherman like to stand out in the freezing cold with string on a hook, Sky Divers like to dive out of prerfectly good working planes???
What I don't like or agree with is when people on this forum start bashing those individuals that enjoy doing things that they don't understand.

Everyone wants to ban everyone else's activity because THEY don't enjoy it. This usually falls under the "Well it is offensive to me and it prohibits ME from enjoying MY activities." I can't stand this NIMBY pansy new American attitude.

Sorry Sam this entire post wasn't directed at you. I ended up going off on a rant!

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

As for your beliving I am not mature enough?? Personal attacks will get you no where on here. keep it civil....

Yeap. Been there before. I've been driving performance boats since I was seven. My Dad had wooden hydroplanes back then. My Dad skippered the Miss Winnipesaukee after WWII. We had many performance boats. My favorite was the Hydrostream Viper with a merc 150SS with cleavers. That boat was a handfull!

In 2001, I had the opportunity to go to the Cigarette 'Top Gun' school. That was the most rewarding experience in my life! To be able to work and be trained by professional performance drivers. Their primary goal is SAFETY.

No doubt, I probably logged more boating time in my life than 99% of the folks on the forum. Except maybe ELChase who claimed to put over 1000 hours on a boat in a summer.

Yet, I have been told by SL supporters that I lack the ability to handle these babies and that I am a cowboy. I have never had a moving violation ticket on the water. Nor have I ever been in a collision on the water. My insurance company reward me with the cheapest rate that I know.

I have seen the MP having trouble at speed. I remember the time when one of the MP ran over a small whaler in Alton Bay. And the MPO was put on administrative leave and eventually quit.

Be careful who you call immature!

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

The title of this thead is "New Boat... See tyou out there." The originator of the forum was excited and proud of his new toy. So he subsequently posts various photos and now his maturity is called into question.

Then why make comments about hats that won't fly off because "I bought a set of head wraps for that reason... (already lost one in Long Island sound test driving her)"
Also other comments about how fast he might be going in the broads and then post an image that he was going 86 MPH somewhere.

Maybe it's me but I think it's immature to add comments like this when the reason for starting this thread was to show us his new boat and some of it's fancy features.

I am closer to 70 in age than I am to 60 so I have been around and could build or repair any engine that might go into a boat.

I'll stay out of this thread because I don't think that anyone reads what I am trying say anyway.

Below are the posts that (I think anyway) don't belong here.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

The Kayakers don't have to worry about the hats.. LOL..

I bought a set of head wraps for that reason... (already lost one in Long Island sound test driving her)

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

I highly doubt they will be sitting in the middle of the broads gunning people. So I will just take my chances

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Threw the last picture in as a fond memory.

[DoTheMath]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Has The Cult been reading the warnings and disclaimers on the newest PFDs? (Don may have a copy of the exact wording).

Umm, are you insinuating something by this post or just checking to make sure that I am keeping my son safe? If it's the former - spill it! If it's the latter - yeah, I make sure that he is more than safe and protected. And FTR - that pic was taken at about 25 mph, on a TUESDAY when the lake was F&C and there was next to no traffic. And my boat (that particular boat) was capable of well over the 25 mph we were doing, so it was a very controlled and stable ride! Was I "breaking the rules" there - yep, sure was... Do I loose sleep over that? Nope, not a minute - my Dad did it with me, and I have been told I turned out ok. So my son will get the same opportunities - and then some - to see what boating is all about, while having fun AND being safe and responsible! Start 'em young and it can only benefit him and everyone around him.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by DoTheMath

Umm, are you insinuating something by this post or just checking to make sure that I am keeping my son safe? If it's the former - spill it! If it's the latter - yeah, I make sure that he is more than safe and protected. And FTR - that pic was taken at about 25 mph, on a TUESDAY when the lake was F&C and there was next to no traffic. And my boat (that particular boat) was capable of well over the 25 mph we were doing, so it was a very controlled and stable ride! Was I "breaking the rules" there - yep, sure was... Do I loose sleep over that? Nope, not a minute - my Dad did it with me, and I have been told I turned out ok. So my son will get the same opportunities - and then some - to see what boating is all about, while having fun AND being safe and responsible! Start 'em young and it can only benefit him and everyone around him.

Don't even TELL me that APS is on a crusade to rid the lake of us irresponsible parents who let our kids sit on our laps and "drive" the boat.

Seriously though I have absolutlely had it and this one will throw me over the edge. Lets legislate the fun out of life now shall we. Perhaps George Orwell was correct in his vision of the future. Emotion is frivilous and unproductive. We should teach our children early on what kind of life these people are shaping for them. Sit down, be quiet and above all do not have fun and sit on Daddy's lap while he is driving. The APS' of the world cluck their tongues and shake their heads, tsk tsk, that is unsafe behavior. How Sad.

[DoTheMath]

I'm going to go with "reaching" - I could be wrong, but even APS seems more sensible than that...

[RTTOOL]

Originally Posted by ocdactive

very very nice.... What type of 25 ft are you putting that in? Did you have to upgrade the drive?

25ft. Sunsation with blackhawk lower unit should go 100+..

[NoBozo]

The Photographs are of EXCELLENT quality....Maybe even like ... High Def. What do you think ..?? NB

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Then why make comments about hats that won't fly off because "I bought a set of head wraps for that reason... (already lost one in Long Island sound test driving her)"
Also other comments about how fast he might be going in the broads and then post an image that he was going 86 MPH somewhere.

Maybe it's me but I think it's immature to add comments like this when the reason for starting this thread was to show us his new boat and some of it's fancy features.

I am closer to 70 in age than I am to 60 so I have been around and could build or repair any engine that might go into a boat.

I'll stay out of this thread because I don't think that anyone reads what I am trying say anyway.

Below are the posts that (I think anyway) don't belong here.

Hey Don, you hired another moderator.

Sir, your age has nothing to do with maturity. Frankly, your recent posts have been immature (I think anyway).

Finally, your age has nothing to do with being able to build a motor. My 72 year old father doesn't know an open end wrench from a socket but I have been tearing motors down since I was 12 years old.

Don't worry, people know what you are trying to say- it is how you waded in to say it.