Warm Weather

[Shedwannabe]

Originally Posted by Merrymeeting

(For those who would like to continue to debate the larger global warming/cooling subject, please do so in another forum more appropriate to the topic)

Perhaps you have forgotten this thread was originally (provocatively) titled "Global Warming", and somehow (still don't know how) it got changed. That is why the first few posts up top ("flak jackets", "no good can come of this", etc.) are the way they are. So originally, this thread was about global warming in the Lakes Region.

Plus, I have received PM's saying things like "get out of town". I still find it hard to believe anyone thinks there is any controversy in Global Warming. Its even more amazing that IF there was disagreement about whether it exists, we wouldn't collectively say "let's not exacerbate the problem until we are sure human activity doesn't cause global warming". Instead, the sentiment seems to be "don't even raise questions if we are causing our own extinction because I don't want to have to change my lifestyle". That seems to me to be the crux of the denial of global warming.

I will agree with ITD to exit the thread. As to the suggestion I am trolling - you should see my first comment on this thread ("...A whole bunch of trolls") which acknowledges this thread was originally started as a put-down of global warming (coming off the windmills thread)- the first few posts (after the first) are by people who saw where it was going...

perhaps we can do what was finally imposed on the Speed Limit thread and everyone could make one final statement and then no more. The above is my final statement on this thread. Hopefully no trolls will bring this to another thread.....

[Merrymeeting]

Originally Posted by Shedwannabe

Perhaps you have forgotten this thread was originally (provocatively) titled "Global Warming", and somehow (still don't know how) it got changed.

No, I did not forget, and I suggest that the topic was changed because many of us would like to have this forum remain focused on topics and exchanges SPECIFIC to the Lakes Region. That is it's stated goal and something that the webmaster (appropriately) monitors closely.

I realize that global warming debates might be argued to apply as the Lakes Region IS part of the globe. But there are many, many other sites where this topic can be debated as much as anyone would like. It's not appropriate here. So we should either have this be a discussion of Lakes Region, local weather, or it should be deleted.

[trfour]

Books. Dallas TX got it's first measurable snow 'Ever' last night, with 3" at DFW Airport! A wonderful white Christmas here!
Terry

[Janet]

Originally Posted by trfour

Books. Dallas TX got it's first measurable snow 'Ever' last night, with 3" at DFW Airport! A wonderful white Christmas here!
Terry

and very slippery roads. Yikes. No sand or salt on these road down here.

[trfour]

Originally Posted by Janet

and very slippery roads. Yikes. No sand or salt on these road down here.

Janet,
here in the Metroplex I was amazed at the great job that TX-DOT and the towns did in sanding the trouble areas, bridges, overpasses, and sections of highways on Christmas Eve. The wind was absolutely howling!
I took my sister Doña and brother in law to DFW airport today for a flight to England to visit with family there for New Years.
Although they don't use rock salt here, as the temperature usually rebounds quite rapidly after an event such as this moves through, it was very evident that all of the roads, to & from were well sanded and pretty much back up to speed.

A Very Happy New Year to Y'All,
Terry

[Janet]

Glad you got to DFW ok. The roads here in Plano were not as good. Early Christmas morning couldn't go over 20 miles an hour. I wanted to wait until the sun came up to melt the roads but had 2 little ones waiting for me to arrive so they could see what Santa had brought them. Looks like more precip coming tomorrow.

Happy New Year to you also!

[trfour]

I am 100% for reducing air pollutants, however of all the studies done over time, ice core and earths crust drilling's, long time studies have shown that when the earth has warmed, it was also followed by an ice age. "I did not make this up".

Now, some of today's scientists, are trying their best to override Mother Nature.

Do Trust in Her!!!!

Experts?; Despite cold Snap, earth still warming.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34735022/ns/weather/

I think that they are looking for a way to blame the next ice age on earth's warming.

Terry
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[SIKSUKR]

Good post TR. To add to the argument, Cuba had a low of 29, the lowest temp it's EVER recorded.

[trfour]

Today on MSN; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34958926...s-environment/

[Pineedles]

And isn't it interesting that all their "mistakes" were one-way, mistakes that supported their arguement? That adds up to ZERO credibility in my book. Try making those kind of one-way "mistakes" on your tax return and see what the IRS does.

[trfour]

Argue?... NONE.

Invade Her space, Get a Big Slap In The Sn otter!

Our very great discoverers, try as they may, want to argue...

Again, one of our very own put this practice into prospective. " Invade Her Space, will bring an Lightening strike, as to a long pine in the forest!... Read it and weep! " The Late, Charles Dickens."


Argue was stricken from my vocabulary at a very young age, and some light will be shed and forthcoming in my blog.

Terry

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Stay tuned friends...

[Lakegeezer]

Here's NASA's analysis that the last decade was the warmest ever. Do we assume they are corrupting the numbers too?

The article explains the cold weather this year in Cuba and North America. Their conclusion, In the past three decades, the GISS surface temperature record shows an upward trend of about 0.36 degrees F (0.2 degrees C) per decade. In total, average global temperatures have increased by about 1.5 degrees F (0.8 degrees C) since 1880.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010...est_temps.html

GISS uses publicly available data from three sources to conduct its temperature analysis. The sources are weather data from more than a thousand meteorological stations around the world, satellite observations of sea surface temperatures, and Antarctic research station measurements.

Other research groups also track global temperature trends but use different analysis techniques. The Met Office Hadley Centre in the United Kingdom uses similar input measurements as GISS, for example, but it omits large areas of the Arctic and Antarctic where monitoring stations are sparse.

[Formula]

My question is what will happen to the lake with 1-3 inches of rain. I know that the rain/water will sit on top of the lake until it freezes or runs off. What will happen to all of that water comming down from the mountians?
Will it put prressure on the underside of the ice? Will it just run in and them out at the dam?

[corollaman]

It may melt it a little bit, but I'm more worried about street flooding because all the strorm drains are clogged with snow, or will get clogged when snow washes into them!

[trfour]

The Dam operators here at Lake Winnipesaukee seem to be, and are very much more intuned to our Lakes happenings. They remain and adjust to.

OH and Ya, they keep ( The Hat On )... They are adjusted to the conditions here, ON THE GROUND......

Now, my wish for some others to listen???? "TEN FOUR!"

trfour,
Terry

[Lakegeezer]

So far, the rain has melted ALL the snow on the lake that I can see, and there is a 2" deep pond on top of the foot+ of ice. It is just gray now. The wind is creating waves, pushing the warm water around. After a freeze, it will be safe again where the ice was thick, but there is bound to be new soft spots.

[SIKSUKR]

Look, one really can't argue that the climate may be warming. It has changed for eons in both directions. It certainly has warmed since the last ice age when there was ONE MILE of ice on top of Manhattan. The argument is whether it is all due to man-made factors.

[Boater]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

Here's NASA's analysis that the last decade was the warmest ever. Do we assume they are corrupting the numbers too?

Well, yes.

An investigation by the NASA inspector general found that political appointees in the space agency's public affairs office worked to control and distort public accounts of its researchers' findings about climate change for at least two years...

From the fall of 2004 through 2006, the report said, NASA's public affairs office "managed the topic of climate change in a manner that reduced, marginalized, or mischaracterized climate change science made available to the general public." It noted elsewhere that "news releases in the areas of climate change suffered from inaccuracy, factual insufficiency, and scientific dilution."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060202698.html

Science has been corrupted by politics. I don't think we can believe any of them anymore.

[Shedwannabe]

Originally Posted by Boater

Well, yes.

Science has been corrupted by politics. I don't think we can believe any of them anymore.

Boater - I'm confused by your post.... normally you represent the "skeptic" end of the climate change article, but the article you quoted was about how members of the Bush administration tried to suppress the findings of NASA scientists showing that climate change was a real, major, and growing problem.

There was nothing in the article about the science being disreputable, only the government's attempt to silence the scientists was labeled disreputable.

Have you changed sides, are did you not read the article carefully?

[Boater]

Originally Posted by Shedwannabe

Have you changed sides, are did you not read the article carefully?

My "side" is the open mind side. My point was that NASA does distort the data for political purposes. There are many other accusations out there. Here's another: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...aspx?id=518890

Since politics seems to influence scientists we should be wary of their conclusions. ClimateGate showed that many scientists are willing to spin the data to achieve political goals. NASA isn't immune. That's all.

[ITD]

It is pretty warm today and I did drive much more than I usually do over the last week, maybe those guys from the UK didn't have to cook the data after all!

[corollaman]

Bring on Global Warming!

[trfour]

And Coming; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

There is no political election that could ever unseat her!

Terry
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[Shedwannabe]

I don't really know how to introduce this...I'm embarrassed for all who jumped on the "skeptic bandwagon" because you wanted climate researchers to be wrong, without any evidence that there was anything wrong...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/sc...imate.html?hpw

So much has been written about the "statistical trick", as if "trick" meant doing something deceitful. The "trick" was combining two previously unrelated databases and seeing they complemented one another.

I admit some of the scientists were crude in their contemptuous comments about skeptics. And I understand the pain and rage felt by those who felt contempt directed at them. But that doesn't have anything to do with whether the science was right or wrong, and EVERY peer-reviewed study supports and continues to support the evidence that climate change is caused by human activity and is making things worse.

Thomas Friedman of the NY Times had an interesting piece a month or so ago. His argument: If there was a 1% chance that Al Qaeda terrorists had discovered a new way to get a nuclear bomb, is that 1% chance enough to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response. By the way, Dick Cheney, then VP of the US was the one who said that we should treat it that way.

Similarly, if there is a 1% chance that the earth will become uninhabitable by humans due to our affecting the climate, shouldn't we respond (for exactly the same reasons as Cheney gave)? Actually, the % is much higher than 1% that if humans do not make major changes in their behaviors affecting the climate that the ensuing climate change will disasterously affect the economy (and lives) of our grandchildren in a very negative way.

Well, enough of this...lets enjoy the sled dog races.

Oh,... in danger of being cancelled again due to lack of snow, for the 9th time in the last few decades, whereas they ran EVERY year earlier in the century (except for the hiatus around WW2)