Crazy water tricks

6meter · 12-10-2009, 04:12 PM

Always took of skiing from the end of the dock or skipping in 6" of water to get up. That was easier on the arms. Better though was when Dad pulled 8 skiers a once with one spotter. It was legal back then, mid 60's. The boat couldn't pull all 8 out of the water, only 5. Two other boats pulled the other 3. They all lined up and transfered to the end skiers, who had 2 ropes. Pretty stupid but I didn't know any better. 150' rule....HA!

bocooee · 12-10-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 6meter

Always took of skiing from the end of the dock or skipping in 6" of water to get up. That was easier on the arms. Better though was when Dad pulled 8 skiers a once with one spotter. It was legal back then, mid 60's. The boat couldn't pull all 8 out of the water, only 5. Two other boats pulled the other 3. They all lined up and transfered to the end skiers, who had 2 ropes. Pretty stupid but I didn't know any better. 150' rule....HA!

Would love to have a pic of that, We were pulling 2 kids on one tube this year and nearly got a ticket. I can remember not even having a spotter nevermind the1 to 1

Greene's Basin Girl · 12-10-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bocooee

Would love to have a pic of that, We were pulling 2 kids on one tube this year and nearly got a ticket. I can remember not even having a spotter nevermind the1 to 1

We use to ski through the channels in and around Green's Basin. We called them narrows back then. No one cared what we did. We also had the wide wooden surf boards with ropes that we would stand on a go behind the boat. We also use to go horn pout fishing with drop lines in the 50's and 60's.

coltgov101 · 12-11-2009, 12:12 AM

We were lucky to have a celebrity skier as a neighbor.This guy and his brother were single and ski jumpers! Champions in there day. Local celebrities as it was. The salom skier was just amazing to watch. This man's shoulder's were never six inches from the water.The spray he put up was unbelievable! He never got wet, jumping from the raft as the rope grew tight. What a sight , what a athlete!

trfour · 12-11-2009, 12:52 AM

and some of us were saved somehow through no fault of our curriculum... And very clearly there must be a higher ( Of The Great Spirit ) that continues to Smile on us, and keep us safe!

Many a soft landing in and around Paugus Bay, yours truly!
Terry

Janet · 12-11-2009, 06:18 AM

I'll never forget the first time my elderly uncle tried skiing. With the fear of losing his upper dentures in the middle of Meredith Bay, he proceeded to take out his plate, got up on the skiis the first try, went all around the Bay and made a perfect landing right back at the dock. What a laugh we all had! We still talk about the afternoon and Uncle Roy skiing without his teeth.

Fishy Cover · 12-11-2009, 08:02 AM

Late 50's- we put two 7 1/2 hp outboards (one a Martin, one a Scott Atwater) on a row boat and borrowed Johnny Holmes' dad's homemade water skis, one of which had been broken and was mended with an aluminum plate in front of the rubber foot holder. We found an old clothesline for a tow rope and used a stick for a handle. I was chosen as the first skier because I was the smallest and lightest. My brother drove the boat and got both motors started and amazingly I popped up out of the water on the first try. We went around in circles for several minutes and then I pointed to the jump in front of Robert Gregory's house so my brother steered for it and I made my first jump.

Well, actually a half jump because the bolts protruding from the bottom of the mending plate dug into the jump and the skis stopped immediately but I did not because I did not let go of the rope. This ended my jumping career and broke both skis. Sounds a little stupid today but boy, was it fun.

Island Life · 12-11-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishy Cover

Late 50's- we put two 7 1/2 hp outboards (one a Martin, one a Scott Atwater) on a row boat and borrowed Johnny Holmes' dad's homemade water skis, one of which had been broken and was mended with an aluminum plate in front of the rubber foot holder. We found an old clothesline for a tow rope and used a stick for a handle. I was chosen as the first skier because I was the smallest and lightest. My brother drove the boat and got both motors started and amazingly I popped up out of the water on the first try. We went around in circles for several minutes and then I pointed to the jump in front of Robert Gregory's house so my brother steered for it and I made my first jump.

Well, actually a half jump because the bolts protruding from the bottom of the mending plate dug into the jump and the skis stopped immediately but I did not because I did not let go of the rope. This ended my jumping career and broke both skis. Sounds a little stupid today but boy, was it fun.

How come no one mends things anymore? My dad was a great one for making things himself and fixing them (like with the aluminum plate) when they were broken. Now we just throw it away and buy new stuff.

trfour · 12-11-2009, 09:54 PM

Here's one that is still enjoying fix'in & repairing things and have been for most of my life.

I was well schooled, licensed, certified, protected and insured.
It's a whole new world today in that, there are a ton of lawyers out there just waiting to slap some poor unsuspecting fixer upper with a lawsuit should anything go wrong.
How should I say this...
Not intending to wake up a sleeping monster, over here...

Sometimes it's easier to just chuck it, and buy a new one.

Forever a gearhead,
Terry

Pricestavern · 12-12-2009, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Green's Basin Girl

We use to ski through the channels in and around Green's Basin. We called them narrows back then. No one cared what we did. We also had the wide wooden surf boards with ropes that we would stand on a go behind the boat. We also use to go horn pout fishing with drop lines in the 50's and 60's.

Maybe that explains what the homemade surfboard-type thingy is for that is up in our rafters. We purchased our little cabin on Rattlesnake a few years ago and up in the rafters is this huge yellow thing that looks like a homemade surfboard. It's about 10' long, 2.5' wide, and about 2 inches thick. It's hollow and has canvas stretched across the wood on what I suppose is the top. Never seen anything like it. Perhaps an attempt at a windsurfer or something to be pulled around by a boat?

KBoater · 12-12-2009, 12:20 PM

I'm sure we called it a surf board. Thanks for jogging the mind.This was before the California wave crazy.
The boards were about 4 ' wide by 6'. You used a wide stance to ride it.

Steveo · 12-13-2009, 12:28 PM

Back in the 40's my parents and their friends would put on impromptu ski shows in front of the Weirs. Trick skiing, multiple skiers, grabbing bottles off the top of a piling, etc. But one time they got a brilliant idea! Why wouldn't it be possible to ski behind a low flying aircraft. So they collected about 500 feet of ski rope, a seaplane (which back then you could rent in the Weirs) and sent my uncle out to try it. The seaplane could fly at about 60 mph so they all thought no problem. So the seaplane starts out, my uncle gets up right away and waits for the plane to get airborne. These guys were not the brightest in Physics and the effects of friction. They did not know that when the plane's pontoons finally leave the water's heavy friction it literally "jumps" in the air. They say my uncle did at least a dozen cartwheels before he stopped and was lucky he didn't get his arms pulled out of their sockets.

SIKSUKR · 12-15-2009, 01:09 PM

The memory gene is kicking in. I was one of 10 to ski behind one boat. 5 of us got up on 2 skis behind one boat and dropped our skis. Then two other boats brought in the other 5. We had 10 slalom on 1 boat. We also use to make all different things to pull behind the boat. There was the chair on top of the board with a ladder with somebody on it thingy. I made my own smiley face disk out of plywood. We would get out on the early calm water to do triple barefoot. Although I couldn't do it, friends were able to backwards barefoot. I remember using my boat to transport my motocross dirtbike to the other side of the lake so I could ride in the sandpit with my best friend. That was interesting getting that into our 16 foot Arkansas Traveler.Some of best times are a definate no-no now. 2 of us in different boats circling each other, making waves to jump and spraying each other within 5 feet or so and almost swamping dads toy. I remember making my own spear for spear fishing bass out of a cue stick. We would take a coat hanger and pound the end flat and shape it into a spear head and install it in the end of the pool cue. I only caught one with that thing. That's all for now. More later.

WinnDixie · 12-15-2009, 03:51 PM

This is jaw-dropping fun to read, but just thought I'd ask...are some of you posting from Heaven???

Island Girl · 12-15-2009, 08:58 PM

I grew up on a lake in MA. We had the homemade plywood surfboard, then the wooden skiis, and the round plywood disc. That disc is still at my mother's place on that lake. I towed my 55 year old brother on it last summer. He stands on it holding a ski tow line. Then the puts the front of the disk under the water and dives it down so that he is under the water up to his neck, still holding on the the line... then comes up again. I don't think anyone in the world does that. He started that before he was a teenager.

We did the ski jump thing a bit... We never started skiiing from the water, always from the dock or shore. My brother jumps off the dock with one ski. I was always too chicken to do that so I would stand in water just below the knee with the slaalom ski on the other foot raised above the water... with about 5-6 feet of slack, yell "Hit it!!!!" and the driver would go full blast and I leaped up and landed on the one ski on top of the water. I did not get wet or most importantly, get my hair wet... We did not have much of a beach so we landed in the water very close to shore... standing up.

Who made up all these new rules... it was so nice to ski that way. I was never very good at getting up deep in the water on one ski so the shore was great.

We also did the multiple (7) skiiers. That was not much fun as someone always fell. Three skiers was fun with three different length ropes, criss-crossing. So much fun!!!

I have not skiied in about 5 years... with sciatica I am thinking my skiing days are over... I sure would like another run though!!!

IG

Redwing · 12-15-2009, 09:47 PM

Ah, yes.....I recall avoiding getting my hair wet, at all cost! And I always had a comb in the boat, just in case. My parents purchased a new Correct Craft Atom Skier in the late 1950s, with powder blue faux leather seat cushions.. we thought we were the cat's meow and that boat was able to pull 4 skiers. Along with our Correct Craft, my Father decided it was time to buy a pair of trick skis (we called them banana peels)...we had more fun with them! My brother was an outstanding waterskier and would cross the wake, back and forth, with his body just about parallel to the water. It was a thrill to watch him ski. I spent too much time worrying about my hair to become a very good skier I could slalom but only by dropping one ski.

KBoater · 12-15-2009, 11:01 PM

IG I remember falling of the disc. I could never master that. I do remember a neighbor built a thingie that looked like a 10" by 5" plank with door knobs on the side. We pulled it behind the boat and we would turn the board down and go under the water then turn it up to get air. I'm not sure if anyone else had one of these.
We also ued a canoe paddle as a ski.

tis · 12-16-2009, 07:26 AM

IG, we followed the same sequence. My parents used the old fashioned surfboard, by the time we started it was skiis. That old surfboard was so heavy and just huge! When we first learned to slalom we of course started in the water, then mostlly did beach starts and only a few dock starts as it was pretty shallow at my folk's dock. I tried barefoot, did it for a while but it was very scary, and hurt my feet like crazy. Also did the trick boards for a while but fell one time and that water can be hard! So kind of gave up on that. Slalom skiing was my first love of them all!
I don't know how your brother, held on to the rope! Did he do that trick at 55? He must have some strong arms!

Steveo · 12-16-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FLboater

IG I do remember a neighbor built a thingie that looked like a 10" by 5" plank with door knobs on the side. We pulled it behind the boat and we would turn the board down and go under the water then turn it up to get air. I'm not sure if anyone else had one of these.
We also ued a canoe paddle as a ski.

Yeah we had it (and made it). It was a blast. You would wear a mask and go slow. You would turn the board so it would force you down and "sail" over the bottom. It felt like you were flying. It got interesting when you were around rocks though.

Not sure how good it would be to do today with the water clarity as it is. Water was a lot clearer back then.

BroadHopper · 12-16-2009, 01:55 PM

back in the 50's and 60's Northland Ski Company made water skis at the Laconia plant. My uncle was a testor for the alpine skis. he was able to get test and demos for my dad and we use to try them out and give feed back. Before the company folded, they made a tunneled, grooved, cancave slalom ski out of hickory. It was well mannered and hook like crazy! I had that ski for years until it started to delaminate in the mid 90's. Everyone loves to borrow the ski.

The old wooden Chris crafts made excellent ski boats in the days. Nice solid boats that runs true when you turn sharpely on slalom. Later the Glastrons were the best in fiberglass boats.

Everyone in the family was good at taking off on one ski, standing on the dock. And landing on the beach running. Pretty slick. Skiing at sunrise and at sunset was the best. As the water most of the time is like glass.

C'est la Vie.

Cobalt 25 · 12-20-2009, 11:20 PM

Lots of great stunts and posts!

The disc thing must have been more popular than I thought because my brother-in-law and I had one, too. It delaminated after a few years of hard use, even though it had a few coats of polyeurthane on it.

My favorite trick, though, involved a boathouse. We rented a house near the Graveyard one year that had a nice boathouse. I sat on the deck of the far end of the boathouse and skied all the way out on a slalom ski. It's a good thing the owner of the house never found out about that one!

12-11-2009, 12:12 AM	#4
coltgov101 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nj now. Spindle point in the past.(35 yrs.) Posts: 87 Thanks: 106 Thanked 10 Times in 4 Posts	Sking from the dock We were lucky to have a celebrity skier as a neighbor.This guy and his brother were single and ski jumpers! Champions in there day. Local celebrities as it was. The salom skier was just amazing to watch. This man's shoulder's were never six inches from the water.The spray he put up was unbelievable! He never got wet, jumping from the raft as the rope grew tight. What a sight , what a athlete!

12-11-2009, 12:52 AM	#5
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	I Love These Threads... and some of us were saved somehow through no fault of our curriculum... And very clearly there must be a higher ( Of The Great Spirit ) that continues to Smile on us, and keep us safe! Many a soft landing in and around Paugus Bay, yours truly! Terry Attached Images __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

12-11-2009, 08:02 AM	#7
Fishy Cover Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 134 Thanks: 10 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Ski Jump- NOT! Late 50's- we put two 7 1/2 hp outboards (one a Martin, one a Scott Atwater) on a row boat and borrowed Johnny Holmes' dad's homemade water skis, one of which had been broken and was mended with an aluminum plate in front of the rubber foot holder. We found an old clothesline for a tow rope and used a stick for a handle. I was chosen as the first skier because I was the smallest and lightest. My brother drove the boat and got both motors started and amazingly I popped up out of the water on the first try. We went around in circles for several minutes and then I pointed to the jump in front of Robert Gregory's house so my brother steered for it and I made my first jump. Well, actually a half jump because the bolts protruding from the bottom of the mending plate dug into the jump and the skis stopped immediately but I did not because I did not let go of the rope. This ended my jumping career and broke both skis. Sounds a little stupid today but boy, was it fun.

12-11-2009, 09:54 PM	#9
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Hey,... Island Life... Here's one that is still enjoying fix'in & repairing things and have been for most of my life. I was well schooled, licensed, certified, protected and insured. It's a whole new world today in that, there are a ton of lawyers out there just waiting to slap some poor unsuspecting fixer upper with a lawsuit should anything go wrong. How should I say this... Not intending to wake up a sleeping monster, over here... Sometimes it's easier to just chuck it, and buy a new one. Forever a gearhead, Terry __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

12-12-2009, 12:20 PM	#11
KBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 521 Thanks: 10 Thanked 29 Times in 15 Posts	surf board I'm sure we called it a surf board. Thanks for jogging the mind.This was before the California wave crazy. The boards were about 4 ' wide by 6'. You used a wide stance to ride it. __________________ Home Permanently in NH

12-10-2009, 04:12 PM	#1
6meter Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 27 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Always took of skiing from the end of the dock or skipping in 6" of water to get up. That was easier on the arms. Better though was when Dad pulled 8 skiers a once with one spotter. It was legal back then, mid 60's. The boat couldn't pull all 8 out of the water, only 5. Two other boats pulled the other 3. They all lined up and transfered to the end skiers, who had 2 ropes. Pretty stupid but I didn't know any better. 150' rule....HA!

12-11-2009, 06:18 AM	#6
Janet Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 470 Thanks: 233 Thanked 134 Times in 91 Posts	I'll never forget the first time my elderly uncle tried skiing. With the fear of losing his upper dentures in the middle of Meredith Bay, he proceeded to take out his plate, got up on the skiis the first try, went all around the Bay and made a perfect landing right back at the dock. What a laugh we all had! We still talk about the afternoon and Uncle Roy skiing without his teeth.

12-13-2009, 12:28 PM	#12
Steveo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 523 Thanks: 47 Thanked 123 Times in 63 Posts	Ok, I'll add another one Back in the 40's my parents and their friends would put on impromptu ski shows in front of the Weirs. Trick skiing, multiple skiers, grabbing bottles off the top of a piling, etc. But one time they got a brilliant idea! Why wouldn't it be possible to ski behind a low flying aircraft. So they collected about 500 feet of ski rope, a seaplane (which back then you could rent in the Weirs) and sent my uncle out to try it. The seaplane could fly at about 60 mph so they all thought no problem. So the seaplane starts out, my uncle gets up right away and waits for the plane to get airborne. These guys were not the brightest in Physics and the effects of friction. They did not know that when the plane's pontoons finally leave the water's heavy friction it literally "jumps" in the air. They say my uncle did at least a dozen cartwheels before he stopped and was lucky he didn't get his arms pulled out of their sockets.

12-15-2009, 01:09 PM	#13
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Great stuff you guys! The memory gene is kicking in. I was one of 10 to ski behind one boat. 5 of us got up on 2 skis behind one boat and dropped our skis. Then two other boats brought in the other 5. We had 10 slalom on 1 boat. We also use to make all different things to pull behind the boat. There was the chair on top of the board with a ladder with somebody on it thingy. I made my own smiley face disk out of plywood. We would get out on the early calm water to do triple barefoot. Although I couldn't do it, friends were able to backwards barefoot. I remember using my boat to transport my motocross dirtbike to the other side of the lake so I could ride in the sandpit with my best friend. That was interesting getting that into our 16 foot Arkansas Traveler.Some of best times are a definate no-no now. 2 of us in different boats circling each other, making waves to jump and spraying each other within 5 feet or so and almost swamping dads toy. I remember making my own spear for spear fishing bass out of a cue stick. We would take a coat hanger and pound the end flat and shape it into a spear head and install it in the end of the pool cue. I only caught one with that thing. That's all for now. More later. __________________ SIKSUKR

12-15-2009, 03:51 PM	#14
WinnDixie Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 239 Thanks: 44 Thanked 75 Times in 17 Posts	From the gallery This is jaw-dropping fun to read, but just thought I'd ask...are some of you posting from Heaven???

12-15-2009, 08:58 PM	#15
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	Sure was fun..... I grew up on a lake in MA. We had the homemade plywood surfboard, then the wooden skiis, and the round plywood disc. That disc is still at my mother's place on that lake. I towed my 55 year old brother on it last summer. He stands on it holding a ski tow line. Then the puts the front of the disk under the water and dives it down so that he is under the water up to his neck, still holding on the the line... then comes up again. I don't think anyone in the world does that. He started that before he was a teenager. We did the ski jump thing a bit... We never started skiiing from the water, always from the dock or shore. My brother jumps off the dock with one ski. I was always too chicken to do that so I would stand in water just below the knee with the slaalom ski on the other foot raised above the water... with about 5-6 feet of slack, yell "Hit it!!!!" and the driver would go full blast and I leaped up and landed on the one ski on top of the water. I did not get wet or most importantly, get my hair wet... We did not have much of a beach so we landed in the water very close to shore... standing up. Who made up all these new rules... it was so nice to ski that way. I was never very good at getting up deep in the water on one ski so the shore was great. We also did the multiple (7) skiiers. That was not much fun as someone always fell. Three skiers was fun with three different length ropes, criss-crossing. So much fun!!! I have not skiied in about 5 years... with sciatica I am thinking my skiing days are over... I sure would like another run though!!! IG __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

12-15-2009, 09:47 PM	#16
Redwing Deceased Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Haven, Connecticut and summer resident of Moultonborough, NH since 1952 Posts: 216 Thanks: 324 Thanked 43 Times in 27 Posts	Water-skiing Ah, yes.....I recall avoiding getting my hair wet, at all cost! And I always had a comb in the boat, just in case. My parents purchased a new Correct Craft Atom Skier in the late 1950s, with powder blue faux leather seat cushions.. we thought we were the cat's meow and that boat was able to pull 4 skiers. Along with our Correct Craft, my Father decided it was time to buy a pair of trick skis (we called them banana peels)...we had more fun with them! My brother was an outstanding waterskier and would cross the wake, back and forth, with his body just about parallel to the water. It was a thrill to watch him ski. I spent too much time worrying about my hair to become a very good skier I could slalom but only by dropping one ski.

12-15-2009, 11:01 PM	#17
KBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 521 Thanks: 10 Thanked 29 Times in 15 Posts	the disc IG I remember falling of the disc. I could never master that. I do remember a neighbor built a thingie that looked like a 10" by 5" plank with door knobs on the side. We pulled it behind the boat and we would turn the board down and go under the water then turn it up to get air. I'm not sure if anyone else had one of these. We also ued a canoe paddle as a ski. __________________ Home Permanently in NH

12-16-2009, 07:26 AM	#18
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,702 Thanks: 751 Thanked 1,454 Times in 1,011 Posts	IG, we followed the same sequence. My parents used the old fashioned surfboard, by the time we started it was skiis. That old surfboard was so heavy and just huge! When we first learned to slalom we of course started in the water, then mostlly did beach starts and only a few dock starts as it was pretty shallow at my folk's dock. I tried barefoot, did it for a while but it was very scary, and hurt my feet like crazy. Also did the trick boards for a while but fell one time and that water can be hard! So kind of gave up on that. Slalom skiing was my first love of them all! I don't know how your brother, held on to the rope! Did he do that trick at 55? He must have some strong arms!

12-16-2009, 01:55 PM	#20
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,570 Thanks: 3,206 Thanked 1,101 Times in 793 Posts	Northland Waterskis back in the 50's and 60's Northland Ski Company made water skis at the Laconia plant. My uncle was a testor for the alpine skis. he was able to get test and demos for my dad and we use to try them out and give feed back. Before the company folded, they made a tunneled, grooved, cancave slalom ski out of hickory. It was well mannered and hook like crazy! I had that ski for years until it started to delaminate in the mid 90's. Everyone loves to borrow the ski. The old wooden Chris crafts made excellent ski boats in the days. Nice solid boats that runs true when you turn sharpely on slalom. Later the Glastrons were the best in fiberglass boats. Everyone in the family was good at taking off on one ski, standing on the dock. And landing on the beach running. Pretty slick. Skiing at sunrise and at sunset was the best. As the water most of the time is like glass. C'est la Vie. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

12-20-2009, 11:20 PM	#21
Cobalt 25 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cape Cod Posts: 216 Thanks: 227 Thanked 36 Times in 20 Posts	Lots of great stunts and posts! The disc thing must have been more popular than I thought because my brother-in-law and I had one, too. It delaminated after a few years of hard use, even though it had a few coats of polyeurthane on it. My favorite trick, though, involved a boathouse. We rented a house near the Graveyard one year that had a nice boathouse. I sat on the deck of the far end of the boathouse and skied all the way out on a slalom ski. It's a good thing the owner of the house never found out about that one!