Alton Ice Airport

dbahn · 01-08-2010, 02:24 PM

That shouldn't be a problem. Last year I think they were too busy with the carnival to take us up on it.

wadden · 01-08-2010, 04:27 PM

How thick is the ice out there? I thought it wasn't safe for such large vehicles yet.

NHgirl · 01-08-2010, 06:04 PM

There is over a foot of ice most parts of the lake (Meredith and Alton).

RLW · 01-08-2010, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by wadden

How thick is the ice out there? I thought it wasn't safe for such large vehicles yet.

Review thread #11 and you will see how thick. The runway was plowed today and the parking area also. The parking area looks a lot better than last year with more and straight area for parking.

riverat · 01-08-2010, 07:24 PM

Hi I am Riverat and I have the bobhouse just left of the runway in the picture above, been there the last few years. Watched Paul and his crew work on the runway from 7:30am until 4:30pm today and they did an excellent job, the layout is a little different than previous years and Paul believes it is going to be much better navigating in and out than before. The parking area is huge, plenty of room for lots of planes so come on down! I believe he is openning it tomorrow.
Again as always, stop in for a cup of hot chocolate or coffee or tea.

NoBozo · 01-08-2010, 08:29 PM

A fully fueled Cessna 172 (All Metal Aircraft) weighs about 1700 pounds. ... 240 pounds of that is fuel. A Piper J-3 as in the picture weighs ..(All Fabric) ..what..? Havn't looked it up but my guess would be around 850 pounds.

A late model 4x4 Toyota Tacoma Pickup weighs about 4000 pounds. I'm guessing a snowmobile weighs about 450 pounds....add the rider. Just throwing out some numbers for reference........for those that are interested in details.

NB

PS: I would really like to hear from the J-3 Pilot as to the all up weight of the J-3.

dbahn · 01-09-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NoBozo

PS: I would really like to hear from the J-3 Pilot as to the all up weight of the J-3.

Since the Cub is currently classified in the Light Sport Aircraft (LSA) category its maximum takeoff gross weight has to be under 1320 pounds. That is my Cub in the photos, and I don't even know the exact empty weights and gross weights without checking the manual, but your estimate is very close.

Keep in mind that the trucks distribute the weight onto 4 wheels, while most of the aircraft weight is on 2 of the three wheels, but even several inches of clear ice can easily support most airplanes. The FAA requires a considerable margin of safety to approve Alton Bay as an "ice airport", partly due to differences in the quality of ice and partly just because they are the FAA.

When the runway is officially open, it will be published in a NOTAM ("notice to airmen"). I haven't checked those yet, but I imagine one will be appearing soon.

EDIT: According to the NOTAM the airport is open, with a call to confirm.

Quote:

01/101 - AD OPEN ICE RUNWAY 2600 LONG BY 90 WIDE WITH
PARALLEL TXY ON EAST SIDE CTC FBO 603-875-3498 FOR CURRENT FIELD
CONDITONS. 08 JAN 23:37 2010 UNTIL UFN. CREATED: 08 JAN 23:27 2010

WAY TO GO, GUYS! Thanks.

Pineedles · 01-09-2010, 12:38 PM

Does the Ice Airport have a deginated 3 character code, like BDL or JFK?

wifi · 01-09-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

Does the Ice Airport have a deginated 3 character code, like BDL or JFK?

The FAA says: B18 (Bee eighteen)

http://www.faacodes.com/

dbahn · 01-09-2010, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wifi

The FAA says: B18 (Bee eighteen)

http://www.faacodes.com/

That's the identifier. For some strange reason if you check the NOTAM using the DOD website you need to enter the "K" designation, even though that's not the correct one, so on that site it has to be KB18.

This'nThat · 01-09-2010, 03:40 PM

So, is that a plane I see on the ice? First of the season!

RLW · 01-09-2010, 03:42 PM

For those that may have not seen it, here is a picture of which the writer believes to be the first landing of the 2010 season.

TexASH Pilot · 01-09-2010, 05:55 PM

Awesome layout, Paul!

Love what you did with the taxiway this year! No more choke point at the runway threshold.

FYI... look for a decent sized group of planes landing there tomorrow (Sunday) morning!

Wooooohooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

Iceguy · 01-08-2010, 08:49 PM

Hi Riverat,glad to see you out there today.And thankyou for the vote of confidence. The way we plowed today is as close as we could get to the d.o.t. map.So we are open. dbahn, we are ready for your test run!!! But we had some lite snow after we plowed about 1". I'm looking forward to seeing you and all the pilots and ice fisherman. talk to you soon Paul!

upthesaukee · 01-09-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceguy

Hi Riverat,glad to see you out there today.And thankyou for the vote of confidence. The way we plowed today is as close as we could get to the d.o.t. map.So we are open. dbahn, we are ready for your test run!!! But we had some lite snow after we plowed about 1". I'm looking forward to seeing you and all the pilots and ice fisherman. talk to you soon Paul!

Paul, thanks for all you and your partners do for the bay, the town, and the guests who join us here. Nice to see the runway plowed, and glad that we start to see our aviation friends start to arrive. Unfortunately, tomorrow's forecast is for pretty high winds, not the greatest thing for landing on ice.

Dave

01-08-2010, 04:27 PM	#2
wadden Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 79 Thanks: 19 Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts	Ice airport How thick is the ice out there? I thought it wasn't safe for such large vehicles yet.

01-08-2010, 06:04 PM	#3
NHgirl Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 93 Thanks: 7 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Ice conditions There is over a foot of ice most parts of the lake (Meredith and Alton).

01-08-2010, 07:24 PM	#5
riverat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alton, NH Posts: 722 Thanks: 337 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	Hi I am Riverat and I have the bobhouse just left of the runway in the picture above, been there the last few years. Watched Paul and his crew work on the runway from 7:30am until 4:30pm today and they did an excellent job, the layout is a little different than previous years and Paul believes it is going to be much better navigating in and out than before. The parking area is huge, plenty of room for lots of planes so come on down! I believe he is openning it tomorrow. Again as always, stop in for a cup of hot chocolate or coffee or tea. __________________ Waking up in the morning is the greatest, everything after that is a bonus

01-08-2010, 08:29 PM	#6
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Plane Weight A fully fueled Cessna 172 (All Metal Aircraft) weighs about 1700 pounds. ... 240 pounds of that is fuel. A Piper J-3 as in the picture weighs ..(All Fabric) ..what..? Havn't looked it up but my guess would be around 850 pounds. A late model 4x4 Toyota Tacoma Pickup weighs about 4000 pounds. I'm guessing a snowmobile weighs about 450 pounds....add the rider. Just throwing out some numbers for reference........for those that are interested in details. NB PS: I would really like to hear from the J-3 Pilot as to the all up weight of the J-3.

01-09-2010, 03:42 PM	#12
RLW Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Alton Bay on the mountain by a lake Posts: 2,023 Thanks: 563 Thanked 444 Times in 311 Posts	First for the 2010 season For those that may have not seen it, here is a picture of which the writer believes to be the first landing of the 2010 season. Attached Images __________________ There is nothing better than living on Alton Mountain & our grand kids visits.

01-08-2010, 02:24 PM	#1
dbahn Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mendon, Vermont Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	That shouldn't be a problem. Last year I think they were too busy with the carnival to take us up on it.

01-09-2010, 12:38 PM	#8
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,545 Thanks: 1,072 Thanked 668 Times in 367 Posts	Does the Ice Airport have a deginated 3 character code, like BDL or JFK?

01-09-2010, 03:40 PM	#11
This'nThat Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 534 Thanks: 19 Thanked 134 Times in 61 Posts	1st plane of the season So, is that a plane I see on the ice? First of the season! Attached Images

01-09-2010, 05:55 PM	#13
TexASH Pilot Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 23 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Layout Awesome layout, Paul! Love what you did with the taxiway this year! No more choke point at the runway threshold. FYI... look for a decent sized group of planes landing there tomorrow (Sunday) morning! Wooooohooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

01-08-2010, 08:49 PM	#14
Iceguy Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Alton Bay, NH Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 19 Times in 4 Posts	Alton Bay b18 runway Hi Riverat,glad to see you out there today.And thankyou for the vote of confidence. The way we plowed today is as close as we could get to the d.o.t. map.So we are open. dbahn, we are ready for your test run!!! But we had some lite snow after we plowed about 1". I'm looking forward to seeing you and all the pilots and ice fisherman. talk to you soon Paul!