Braun Bay Rafting Bill

[Yosemite Sam]

House boats and rafting, thank you.

Are there anymore laws or proposed laws that keep you from having fun on any lake in NH?

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

House boats and rafting, thank you.

Are there anymore laws or proposed laws that keep you from having fun on any lake in NH?

1. Can't have pets at Ellacoya.
2. Speed limit
3. Rafting

And the inability to anchor overnight although it does not impact me is stupid. A LOT of people do overnights on their boats.

[Yosemite Sam]

House Boats
Rafting
Can't have pets at Ellacoya.
Speeeeeeeeeeee Liiiiiii I can’t say it.



Looking at those four items, I don't see a trend by our NH lawmakers that they are trying to stop anyone from having fun on NH Lakes.

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

House Boats
Rafting
Can't have pets at Ellacoya.
Speeeeeeeeeeee Liiiiiii I can’t say it.



Looking at those four items, I don't see a trend by our NH lawmakers that they are trying to stop anyone from having fun on NH Lakes.

You're right Sam. As long as it is the kind of fun that THEY think we should be having. This is why I joined www.sbonh.org. Not because I have a big fast boat, but because I object to others passing judgement on what they think I should enjoy. BTY how's your cholesterol level? There are laws in effect that deny your right to buy a big juice hamburger because it's bad for you. In the past, some thought that folks with blonde hair and blue eyes were the only ones that deserved to live. I am not comparing you or anyone else to these people, but if you allow discrimination because it doesn't affect you, you will be the next one on the list.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

You're right Sam. As long as it is the kind of fun that THEY think we should be having. This is why I joined www.sbonh.org. Not because I have a big fast boat, but because I object to others passing judgement on what they think I should enjoy. BTY how's your cholesterol level? There are laws in effect that deny your right to buy a big juice hamburger because it's bad for you. In the past, some thought that folks with blonde hair and blue eyes were the only ones that deserved to live. I am not comparing you or anyone else to these people, but if you allow discrimination because it doesn't affect you, you will be the next one on the list.

I know we disagree about the (I can't say it law), but I don't think that this law is the start of many more laws that will effect how we use our Lakes to have fun.

I guess time will tell won't it Pineedles.

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

I know we disagree about the (I can't say it law), but I don't think that this law is the start of many more laws that will effect how we use our Lakes to have fun.

I guess time will tell won't it Pineedles.

Then why does Moultonborough have the commanding lead in NRZ's? As soon as one area gets an exclusion or special treatment, then the snowball keeps rolling.

The proposed Gilford ordinance is yet another example. You can bet someone in another lake town will think about "what about me".

Let's put this in perspective. When people are on the beach on the seacoast do they limit how many people can lay side by side on their towels while sunbathing? It's exactly the same thing.

[Woodsy]

Yosemite....

It is already happening.... perhaps you want to look the other way and dont want to connect the dots.... but I will! Slowly but surely the public's RIGHT to the lake is being eroded....

1. The Braun Bay Bill.... the water belongs to the PUBLIC! The water does not belong to the waterfront property owners. Thier littoral rights end at the high water mark & thier dock! Yet here we are limiting the PUBLIC use of a PUBLIC RESOURCE because some whiny *ss property owner doesnt like anyone in THIER water! Once Braun Bay becomes restricted, more & more bays & coves will petition for NRZ status because boats will be forced to look elsewhere

2. The Gilford (Ames Farm) zoning change petition.... here we have a place that has been launching and recovering boats for the PUBLIC for decades yet some wealthy jack*ss property owner found some sort of loophole forcing them to close... this legislation is written so as to put the final nail in Ames Farm... Yet another way of limiting PUBLIC ACCESS to a PUBLIC RESOURCE! I have said it before I would sell both properties for alot of $$$ to a deep pocketed developer and then see how happy these snotty waterfront people are when there are 300 condos where a comparitively peaceful farm used to be......

3. The law that shall not be mentioned.... squarely aimed at restricting the freedom of a minority of boaters... not going to get into it as this argument has been beaten to death.

4. The rumors swirling about HP limits, size restriction etc... nobody thought the speed limit would come to pass, especially given the history of Lake Winnipesaukee! Yet it has, it is being aggressively pusued in the legislature. If that can become law with little real evidence to support it what is next?

5. Its not just the lake where restrictions have been passed and yet more contemplated.... just ask the bikers if they feel welcome!!

Just keep your head buried in the sand folks... eventually there will be a law restricting or eliminating some activity that you or your family treasure....

Woodsy

PS: NH's economy derives a very large portion of its income from tourism! Make the tourists and others feel unwelcome and they will spend thier hard earnd cash elsewhere! Then see how your taxes are.....

[sunset on the dock]

Let's face it...laws come, laws go, just as society evolves. Think Blue Laws. It was once illegal in California to shoot any game from a moving vehicle unless it was a whale. It was once illegal to feed your slaves lobster more than 3 times a week. Was there this much angst on Winnipesaukee when they enacted life jacket laws ("my father never had to have life jackets in his boat when we were growing up...people are taking away my freedoms...wah wah wah")? There were origionally no laws about septic discharge from boats on the lake.
I'm against what the mega mansions are doing to the character of the lake as much as anyone and I'm glad to see new laws restricting how they can develop/destroy the shorefront....so it's not simply about new laws designed specifically to $crew the little guy. I'm happy to see new laws regarding septic system design to further protect the lake's water quality(which is deteriorating by the way). The sky is falling scenarios in this thread are getting to be a bit too much...thankyou Yosemite for injecting a little sanity into this discussion.

[DEJ]

Sunset, I think you missed the point of YS's question which was "What are some of the laws that keep you and your family from having a good time on any Lake in NH"?

Most of what you posted has nothing to do with this discussion.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

I know we disagree about the (I can't say it law), but I don't think that this law is the start of many more laws that will effect how we use our Lakes to have fun.

When WinnFabs decided to enact the SL law, I was on their side. I don't have a fast boat and we do need some kind of control as the lake was getting crowded. I was with the principles of WinnFabs and NH Lake Association before one of the public hearings. They were talking to the sponsor of the bill about enacting future laws to limit size of boats and limit horsepower. They were also talking about how property values on Lake George went up after the SL law went into effect. Then I suddenly realize it is not about safety, it's about greed! I told them 'I'm outta here'. The sponsor says 'We've got to start somewhere!'

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

House boats and rafting, thank you.

Are there anymore laws or proposed laws that keep you from having fun on any lake in NH?

Waterskiing and barefoot skiing. I cannot enjoy barefoot skiing as I cannot go over 45 mph. I need to go at least 50 to enjoy the sport. In waterskiing, I cannot take off from a dock or land near a dock. The boat must be 150' away from any other object. I have been reprimanded by the MP when I drop of my skis to ski. They claim that the waterski floating in the water is a hazard. I need to take off from a beach or dock to ski on one ski or barefoot. It is extremely difficult to teach kids to ski when they are 150' away from shore.