Adding sand to an old property

[tis]

Is the beach still there under the grass? Could you pull out the grass and stir up the sand or is it all gone?

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by tis

Is the beach still there under the grass? Could you pull out the grass and stir up the sand or is it all gone?

He'd need a permit to pull up the grass too.

[phoenix]

maybe this is a time for " don't ask don't tell"

[tis]

I don't think so to pull it up by hand. ????? I thought what you could do by hand you didn't need a permit for-like raking.

[birchhaven]

Sorry to High-jack the thread for a quick second, but I got a quick question for shorethings. My house is grand fathered in built about 40 feet from the shore line. Can I build a deck off my Master bedroom on the second floor that would stick out about 4 feet toward the lake but it would NOT have any post, it would be completely suspended/attached to the house?

[Gatto Nero]

I think I can answer the deck question. I believe the state law says you can build up to a 12' uncovered deck out towards the water from a non-conforming house. The town may have different laws that would not allow it, however, and you would need to conform to the more strict of the two.

[Onshore]

If you're currently 40 ft back you could actually go as far out as 12 feet with a deck. Question is actually do you need a Shoreland permit. The answer to that would depend on what is currently under the area that the new deck would cover.

[birchhaven]

I have grass under the area leading all the way from the house to the shore line? So would I need permits? It sounds like it has to do with permeable surfaces?

[Onshore]

You are correct it has to do with the footprint of imprevious surfaces. If you use standard wood or trex surface you will need a shoreland permit. No waiver, No variance, just a permit. If you use a product like this for your surface then we consider it pervious and you would not need a permit.

http://www.thruflowpanel.com/about.asp

We do not consider 1/4 inch spacing of deck boards to be enough to be pervious. There are 2 reasons for this. The first is frankly that we do not have the time and resources to get dragged into the middle of a debate on how mauch spacing between boards is enough. The second is that some day the deck will be redone... quite possibly by a new owner that isn't aware of the need to maintain some minimum spacing. There is no was that DES could keep track of those types of projects and enforce the required spacing. It would lead to compliance issues at some point down the road.

[birchhaven]

Shorethings,
Do you know of any other materials like that DES excepts? I can not use that product because my stringers would be 24" on center and this material at best requires 18" so it is not strong enough (and the closest supplier is Conn.)
Thank you so much for all the great help

[Eagle]

You will most likely need a variance from the town also.

[Onshore]

Birchhaven

That manufacturer approached us to ask if we would consider their product pervious. That is why I am familiar with this particular one. There are a couple of companies that manufacture composite grating or even metal grating that would have better structural strength but they may not be as well suited for residential use.

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by Eagle

You will most likely need a variance from the town also.

Yes.

And building permits. Engineer plans. Looks like an expensive 4 feet.


But back to he sand which this post is about. As stated in another post there are different kinds of sand. Some comes with built in pesky weeds (seeds).

[RLW]

Originally Posted by songkrai

Yes.

And building permits. Engineer plans. Looks like an expensive 4 feet.


But back to he sand which this post is about. As stated in another post there are different kinds of sand. Some comes with built in pesky weeds (seeds).

When adding sand I always use washed concrete sand. It is a little coarser than regular beach sand, but doesn't stick to the kids as bad when they go into the house either.