Speed Limit Poll

Outlaw · 01-18-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Acres per Second

I stood with a old retired aircraft pilot once, contemplating a light plane that had just crashed into a pine tree right adjacent to Lake Winnipesaukee. There were no injuries.

I asked the old guy, "Which is the better crash site to choose, were it possible...a lake or a tree?"

How many people are fleeing New Hampshire for 'Jersey?

State motto: "New Jersey...You got a problem wid dat?"

Acres per Second, aka Madrashas, aka I.R. - If you're going to continue to change your screen name every so often, at least change your writing style.

And more importantly, stick to the topic. Everyone is so so tired and bored with your anticis. If you have something to say about the topic of HB162, write a letter, make a phone or send an email to the local representative. If you are not familiar with who is the rep for Winter Habor, let me know and I can find out for you.

Frdxplorer · 01-18-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Outlaw

If you are not familiar with who is the rep for Winter Habor, let me know and I can find out for you.

Outlaw, thanks for the offer, although it was not specifically made to me. If you wouldn't mind just letting me know where I can find that information I would greatly appreciate it. I certainly don't expect you to have to look it up by yourself. Although I am not a voting resident of NH, my Political Science background tells me that as an informed individual I really should know this. Also, please correct me if I am wrong, but don't I recall that same Poli Sci background taught me that there is a huge number of state legislators in NH. Thanks for your help Outlaw! Stay warm up there.

upthesaukee · 01-18-2005, 11:28 PM

Frdexpoler...In the first page of the speedlimit thread, there is a post by Island Girl that has links to legislative pages where you can get info on Reps if you know them, and also a link for finding out who your rep is. Click on a county and you will get the appropriate reps.

Stay Warm!!

Island Girl · 01-18-2005, 11:32 PM

I sent an email to all on the list that I posted. A few of the addresses are invalid, less than 10%. I have heard back from several of the reps and the dialogue has been interesting. I very much appreciate that they took the time to respond.

IG

Outlaw · 01-19-2005, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by upthesaukee

Frdexpoler...In the first page of the speedlimit thread, there is a post by Island Girl that has links to legislative pages where you can get info on Reps if you know them, and also a link for finding out who your rep is. Click on a county and you will get the appropriate reps.

Stay Warm!!

Thanks upthesaukee for helping out with this one, I appreciate it.

Frdexpoler, I hope you find what you are looking for - it's refreshing to hear someone who actually wants to be informed and takes the time to do so - Thanks.

Just Sold · 01-19-2005, 10:34 AM

I hope those who can will attend the Hearing today. I cannot but did send e-mails to 6 of the Rep's from my town with very positive results. Of the responses I recieved all expressed interest and did not support HB 162. One who did respond is a little out of touch with the realities of what speed is required to go water skiing, " a boat can not pull skiers at 45mph", but did agree a speed limit is not the right solution.

Frdxplorer · 01-19-2005, 10:56 AM

Thanks for everyone's help. I appreciate it. Just Sold, can you really not pull skiers at 45 MPH? If this is the case I would have been out of touch as well. I keep our whaler at about 3500 RPM while pulling a skiier. We don't have a speed guage but I estimate that to be closer to 25-30 MPH. I will have to check it using the handheld GPS next year. I guess different boats require different levels of speed to pull a skier. Speaking of... I wish it were skiing time again.

PROPELLER · 01-19-2005, 12:14 PM

On a slalom ski you would probably sink or at least drag severely at 25mph but on combo skis you may be ok. It also depends on the weight of the skier. I typically ski at 32-33 mph on a slalom ski but anywhere from 30-35 depending on the skier is good. I don't barefoot but I believe 40mph at the very least is needed, maybe more. I have friends that have barefoot skied & I think they needed at least 40mph.

Frdxplorer · 01-21-2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PROPELLER

On a slalom ski you would probably sink or at least drag severely at 25mph but on combo skis you may be ok. It also depends on the weight of the skier. I typically ski at 32-33 mph on a slalom ski but anywhere from 30-35 depending on the skier is good. I don't barefoot but I believe 40mph at the very least is needed, maybe more. I have friends that have barefoot skied & I think they needed at least 40mph.

Somehow I am missing something. I slalom all the time behind our 20' whaler. According to the GPS, we can't get the thing above about 40 MPH and when I am skiing, we run at a much lower RPM than full throttle. There is no dragging and no sinking either. Very typical ride. Maybe the GPS is off.

ApS · 01-21-2005, 11:34 AM

My most recent slalom skiing was done pre-GPS.

The fastest I ever skied was behind a "big" 18-footer with a 60HP Mercury. (Direct-reversing, too -- a neat safety and convenience feature).

Back then, we skied at an indicated 26 MPH. Being skinny back then, we could have skied much faster with that rig.

This indicated 26 MPH speed was consistent with our slower -- but still happy -- ski boat experience, which showed indicated speeds of 20-22MPH, and was commensurately effortless. I fell off -- as one is wont to do in water skiing -- and was given a hit to my stomach (and knocked near-unconscious) by my state-mandated ski belt. Ski belts are history now, but that recollection stays.

Non-skiers are unaware of how "hard" water gets as the speeds increase. You don't want to be ejected from any speeding boat, just as you wouldn't want to be ejected from an SUV at any speed.

(Ejection is just one other reason for the proposed speed limit and its poll).

Just Sold · 01-21-2005, 11:54 AM

"FRDXPLORER: Just Sold, can you really not pull skiers at 45 MPH? "

I never said that. That was an e-mail comment from one of my local state reps. When I was younger and still waterski'd we never needed big HP to get up on the ski's and it certainly was not at 45MPH but closer to 25 to 30 mph. We used a 35hp Evinrude on a 1955 15' Lyman with rear seat steering for quite a few years before moving up to an inboard 19' Lyman (1959) w/109HP Grey Marine engine. By the way our boat was the "ELBO" for Eleanor and Bob, my parents.

zantheman · 03-24-2005, 05:14 PM

I'm not a New Hampshire resident (wish I was) but I do visit the lake each summer with my boat. Here in New Jersey we do have a speed limit on Hopatcong on the weekends and at night. Is it effective? On crowded summer weekends on a lake of Hopatcong's size maybe. That being said I can't see one on Winnipesaukee particularly in the broads. Maybe sections of the lake on weekends but not the entire lake. Its kind of like the rafting arguments going on on this board. I like the idea of designated rafting zones and maybe there should be zones where one can open it up and zones where you can't. Like someone said there are zones where it's not prudent to go fast anyway. I don't want to get step on any NH residents toes who are totally opposed to a limit but just make a suggestion. We love the lake and look forward to our trip in August.

Alex

Lake Hopatcong, NJ

Cal · 03-24-2005, 06:52 PM

If my memory serves me correctly , isn't Hopatcong about the size of Alton Bay?

zantheman · 03-25-2005, 09:22 AM

Cal:

Hopatcong's about the size of Newfound Lake. Just out of interest what waterways were the speed limit voted down on in NJ that you metioned in an earlier post? Hopatcong's limit has been around for years. The speed limit is only enforced on weekends between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

Alex

Lake Hopatcong, NJ

View Poll Results: How do you feel about a speed limit on Lake Winnipesaukee?
I strongly feel the state should implement a 45 mph speed limit!	34	23.61%
I think a speed limit on certain parts of the lake might be appropriate, perhaps higher than 45mph.	17	11.81%
I don’t care either way.	6	4.17%
I don’t think we need a speed limit.	26	18.06%
I am strongly opposed to any speed limit on the lake!	61	42.36%
Voters: 144. You may not vote on this poll

01-18-2005, 11:28 PM	#3
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,604 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,469 Thanked 1,983 Times in 1,083 Posts	Frdexpoler...In the first page of the speedlimit thread, there is a post by Island Girl that has links to legislative pages where you can get info on Reps if you know them, and also a link for finding out who your rep is. Click on a county and you will get the appropriate reps. Stay Warm!! __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

01-18-2005, 11:32 PM	#4
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	Some work, some do not I sent an email to all on the list that I posted. A few of the addresses are invalid, less than 10%. I have heard back from several of the reps and the dialogue has been interesting. I very much appreciate that they took the time to respond. IG __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

01-19-2005, 10:34 AM	#6
Just Sold Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Suncook, NH, but at The Lake at Heart Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 1,083 Thanked 434 Times in 210 Posts	I hope those who can will attend the Hearing today. I cannot but did send e-mails to 6 of the Rep's from my town with very positive results. Of the responses I recieved all expressed interest and did not support HB 162. One who did respond is a little out of touch with the realities of what speed is required to go water skiing, " a boat can not pull skiers at 45mph", but did agree a speed limit is not the right solution. __________________ Just Sold At the lake the stress of daily life just melts away. Pro Re Nata

01-19-2005, 12:14 PM	#8
PROPELLER Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 340 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Skiing On a slalom ski you would probably sink or at least drag severely at 25mph but on combo skis you may be ok. It also depends on the weight of the skier. I typically ski at 32-33 mph on a slalom ski but anywhere from 30-35 depending on the skier is good. I don't barefoot but I believe 40mph at the very least is needed, maybe more. I have friends that have barefoot skied & I think they needed at least 40mph.

01-19-2005, 10:56 AM	#7
Frdxplorer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: York, PA Posts: 234 Thanks: 2 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Thanks for everyone's help. I appreciate it. Just Sold, can you really not pull skiers at 45 MPH? If this is the case I would have been out of touch as well. I keep our whaler at about 3500 RPM while pulling a skiier. We don't have a speed guage but I estimate that to be closer to 25-30 MPH. I will have to check it using the handheld GPS next year. I guess different boats require different levels of speed to pull a skier. Speaking of... I wish it were skiing time again.

01-21-2005, 11:34 AM	#10
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,943 Thanks: 2,219 Thanked 779 Times in 555 Posts	Speed has its trade-offs My most recent slalom skiing was done pre-GPS. The fastest I ever skied was behind a "big" 18-footer with a 60HP Mercury. (Direct-reversing, too -- a neat safety and convenience feature). Back then, we skied at an indicated 26 MPH. Being skinny back then, we could have skied much faster with that rig. This indicated 26 MPH speed was consistent with our slower -- but still happy -- ski boat experience, which showed indicated speeds of 20-22MPH, and was commensurately effortless. I fell off -- as one is wont to do in water skiing -- and was given a hit to my stomach (and knocked near-unconscious) by my state-mandated ski belt. Ski belts are history now, but that recollection stays. Non-skiers are unaware of how "hard" water gets as the speeds increase. You don't want to be ejected from any speeding boat, just as you wouldn't want to be ejected from an SUV at any speed. (Ejection is just one other reason for the proposed speed limit and its poll). __________________ Is it "Common Sense" isn't. Last edited by ApS; 01-21-2005 at 12:02 PM. Reason: Add skier

01-21-2005, 11:54 AM	#11
Just Sold Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Suncook, NH, but at The Lake at Heart Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 1,083 Thanked 434 Times in 210 Posts	"FRDXPLORER: Just Sold, can you really not pull skiers at 45 MPH? " I never said that. That was an e-mail comment from one of my local state reps. When I was younger and still waterski'd we never needed big HP to get up on the ski's and it certainly was not at 45MPH but closer to 25 to 30 mph. We used a 35hp Evinrude on a 1955 15' Lyman with rear seat steering for quite a few years before moving up to an inboard 19' Lyman (1959) w/109HP Grey Marine engine. By the way our boat was the "ELBO" for Eleanor and Bob, my parents. __________________ Just Sold At the lake the stress of daily life just melts away. Pro Re Nata Last edited by Just Sold; 01-21-2005 at 12:18 PM.

03-24-2005, 05:14 PM	#12
zantheman Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm not a New Hampshire resident (wish I was) but I do visit the lake each summer with my boat. Here in New Jersey we do have a speed limit on Hopatcong on the weekends and at night. Is it effective? On crowded summer weekends on a lake of Hopatcong's size maybe. That being said I can't see one on Winnipesaukee particularly in the broads. Maybe sections of the lake on weekends but not the entire lake. Its kind of like the rafting arguments going on on this board. I like the idea of designated rafting zones and maybe there should be zones where one can open it up and zones where you can't. Like someone said there are zones where it's not prudent to go fast anyway. I don't want to get step on any NH residents toes who are totally opposed to a limit but just make a suggestion. We love the lake and look forward to our trip in August. Alex Lake Hopatcong, NJ

03-24-2005, 06:52 PM	#13
Cal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pitman , NJ Posts: 627 Thanks: 40 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts	If my memory serves me correctly , isn't Hopatcong about the size of Alton Bay? __________________ Paddle faster , I think I here banjos

03-25-2005, 09:22 AM	#14
zantheman Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cal: Hopatcong's about the size of Newfound Lake. Just out of interest what waterways were the speed limit voted down on in NJ that you metioned in an earlier post? Hopatcong's limit has been around for years. The speed limit is only enforced on weekends between Memorial Day and Labor Day. Alex Lake Hopatcong, NJ