Suspicious Death in Wolfeboro

[jlynn]

Originally Posted by capngary

And we ALL know whom that innocent person is! His life has been ruined. He is unable to work to support his FIVE children until this case is solved! So... It has been almost a YEAR! I'll be getting back with Mr. Walsh on the "anniversary" date!

I really can't think of any crime worthy of investigating more than this one. Mother's Day!

And by the way, not "ALL" people know who the innocent person is. Speak for yourself!

[chowda]

At this point nobody is getting "just rewards" the way I see it. Lifetime in prison will be the minimal "reward" there.

[Merlin's Moon]

Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You

[Heaven]

I have been curious but afraid to ask, as it is none of my business, but the move out of town in the middle of the school year (and leaving friends etc) , , , speculation as to if that was something the kids wanted to do (maybe be out of that house come mother's day?), or, not?

[jlynn]

Originally Posted by Merlin's Moon

Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You

Merlin, You are true idiot! Get your facts straight before saying something so assanine as "Mr. Vittum was on the edges of a mysterious death". It's people like you that start RIDICULOUS rumors about hurtful things that you don't know anything about! Shame on you!!!! Your as sick as your "innocent Mr. Burns". I'm so glad that your so sure that Ed did not do this. Your are one of the few. Read the May 14th 2009 article. Staceys words from her grave. If you knew the situation AT ALL you would know that Stacey had been fearful for a long time that Ed would kill her. He said he would and I and MANY others believe that he followed through with it. The only inteliigent thing that you said here was not to forget justice for Stacey. The most painful thing for the kids is losing a beautiful, wonderful Mother. The second painful thing is that they now have to live their lives with an abusive, angry alcoholic father. As for Mr. Vittum enjoying celebrity and exaggerating his involvement with Stacey? Are you crazy? (no need to respond to that). I reiterate, your an Idiot. Thankfully the majority of people who know the truth, Staceys closet friends, people who know the facts, back Mr. Vittum 100%.

[jlynn]

Originally Posted by Merlin's Moon

Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You

By the way, Mr. Vittum did not "crow" over failing a lie detectors test. He stated that he was told he failed it (which is what the police do regardless of the outcome, read up on polygraphs and why they are not admissible in court). What makes you so sure that Mr. Burns did not do this crime? To know that you had to have been there or you did it yourself.....hmmmmmm If I were you I would be very careful about my accusations for fear that I would end up in court for slander. Yeah, the heroic people of Wolfeboro have done so much to "support" these children and not just emotionally. Hey, I have an idea, why doesn't Ed get a job? Theres a thought.

[jmen24]

How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

[Pepper]

Originally Posted by jmen24

How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. This is not the place for personal attacks against one another, nor is it a place for slanderous words against others. Please refrain from further attacks.

Thank you!

[jlynn]

Originally Posted by Pepper

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. This is not the place for personal attacks against one another, nor is it a place for slanderous words against others. Please refrain from further attacks.

Thank you!

This was never meant to be a personal attack as I don't even know this person "Merlin" but was bringing to this persons attention that hitting below the belt and being hurtful when he obviously doesn't know the facts is crossing the line. There is no room for rumor and speculation and I joined this forum thinking that opinions were welcome. My mistake.

[Pepper]

Originally Posted by jlynn

This was never meant to be a personal attack as I don't even know this person "Merlin" but was bringing to this persons attention that hitting below the belt and being hurtful when he obviously doesn't know the facts is crossing the line. There is no room for rumor and speculation and I joined this forum thinking that opinions were welcome. My mistake.

Calling someone a complete idiot is also crossing the line. We're not saying you are not welcome here - we're saying that you are engaging in the very behavior you are complaining about, and that behavior is what we protest.

[jlynn]

Originally Posted by Pepper

Calling someone a complete idiot is also crossing the line. We're not saying you are not welcome here - we're saying that you are engaging in the very behavior you are complaining about, and that behavior is what we protest.

It is what it is Pepper. Did not mean in any way to offend the people on here with something intelligent to say and your right, I let myself engage in the very behavior that I am complaining about but as I said, a few things said on here are just too ridiculous to ignore. My mistake. So to avoid letting someones ignorant comments rile me, I cancel my membership. Take care all.....

[jlynn]

Originally Posted by jmen24

How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

My intention was not to "attack" this person. I don't even know who he is. I was letting him know that some things he wrote are hitting below the belt and certainly not based on fact but rumor and speculation. Yes, I joined recently (and?) and am I mistaken or is this general discussion/suspicious death in Wolfeboro forum? Fortunately I only check in with this site on rare occasions but some of the comments on here are just to ridiculous to ignore. My bad.....

[capngary]

Originally Posted by jlynn

By the way, Mr. Vittum did not "crow" over failing a lie detectors test. He stated that he was told he failed it (which is what the police do regardless of the outcome, read up on polygraphs and why they are not admissible in court). What makes you so sure that Mr. Burns did not do this crime? To know that you had to have been there or you did it yourself.....hmmmmmm If I were you I would be very careful about my accusations for fear that I would end up in court for slander. Yeah, the heroic people of Wolfeboro have done so much to "support" these children and not just emotionally. Hey, I have an idea, why doesn't Ed get a job? Theres a thought.

It's libel, not slander...

Ed has a job...

Perhaps as a inlaw of Ed's you would like to coment on Stacey's Uncle...

[old coot]

If someone's alibi is airtight, you could then know they didn't do the crime, without having been there as an eyewitness.

[capngary]

Since the case is officially "cold," how about some "outside" help? Must be "OK" with the D.A.

Maybe the "lucky" investigative reporter just might "loosen" the right lips.

Line up!

1) 20/20

2) America's Most Wanted

3) 48 Hours Mystery

4) 60 Minutes

[ApS]

[fatlazyless]

With all these posts this has probably been mentioned before but here's my two cents.


900-lbs of marijuana is worth a lot of money, and getting stopped on an interstate highway in the winter time in the Chicago, Illinois area for going 70-mph in a 65-mph speed zone seems unusual. Also, for the arresting officer who made the stop to be able to smell the odor of marijuana which presumably was wrapped, duffled, and carried in the cargo area of a full size pickup truck underneath a fiberglass tuneau cover also seems unusual.

Could it be that the police were aware of the vehicle before it was stopped, supposedly for speeding, and that the murder was retribution from a drug dealer, angry for his loss, because a cause & effect connection was real in his mind?

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

With all these posts this has probably been mentioned before but here's my two cents.


900-lbs of marijuana is worth a lot of money, and getting stopped on an interstate highway in the winter time in the Chicago, Illinois area for going 70-mph in a 65-mph speed zone seems unusual. Also, for the arresting officer who made the stop to be able to smell the odor of marijuana which presumably was wrapped, duffled, and carried in the cargo area of a full size pickup truck underneath a fiberglass tuneau cover also seems unusual.

Could it be that the police were aware of the vehicle before it was stopped, supposedly for speeding, and that the murder was retribution from a drug dealer, angry for his loss, because a cause & effect connection was real in his mind?

Doubtful.

I-94, which runs East/West through Michigan and Illinois is the primary drug corridor in that region (I grew up in the Detroit 'burbs). The police do a lot of "profiling" of vehicles and have gotten pretty good at picking out the mules. One of the main things that is a giveaway is a vehicle doing exactly 5 over on a roadway that usually has people doing 15-25 over for long stretches. Couple that with suspension sag and/or lack of suspension travel (from a beefed up undercarriage) on a road that is filled with potholes, and you have a high probability of a mule vehicle.

It doesn't take any "anonymous tips" to pick these vehicles off.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Doubtful. The police do a lot of "profiling" of vehicles and have gotten pretty good at picking out the mules.

It doesn't take any "anonymous tips" to pick these vehicles off.

Probably, I have seen too many police stories on the tv boob tube, but whatcha think about this possibility?

It was a full-sized, late model, big money Chevy pickup, so couldn't the police have been track'n it by gps with its' GM On-Star service and just used the excess 5-mph for an excuse to stop, and then used the supposed 'strong odor' as a reasonable cause to search the vehicle?

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Probably, I have seen too many police stories on the tv boob tube, but whatcha think about this possibility?

It was a full-sized, late model, big money Chevy pickup, so couldn't the police have been track'n it by gps with its' GM On-Star service and just used the excess 5-mph for an excuse to stop, and then used the supposed 'strong odor' as a reasonable cause to search the vehicle?

No.

Go refold your tinfoil hat. They are getting to you.

[chowda]

Why don't you think about the possibility that this all goes back to the first person in town that got busted, NOT Stacey Burns. Remember, the local guy that was a teacher/coach at a NH high school was arrested selling oxycontin. It was on the news and in the papers, and then all of a sudden nothing could be found online anymore. Somehow this same person never went to trial or jail and now lives in Virginia (hopefully not working at another school) without any of the problems that most would encounter after being caught committing such a crime. One could then also take into account the other ensuing drug related arrests in town. Maybe the serious possibility of a person actually arrested for dealing/ratting should be considered before attributing any of this to Stacey's murder. I just hope 20/20, along with the authorities are truly looking into ALL of the possible people that could have committed this crime and take into account ALL of the leads that they have been given.

[tis]

That is interesting chowda. I didn't think of that connection. I did wonder how he got to just go away to Va. So you think he made a deal?

[gokart-mozart]

I've wondered (and posted) about a possible drug connection for a long time - but I don't know any of the people involved, so trying to put it all together involves wild speculation.

1) I agree the JL bust is strange. I also agree he, or his vehicle, were probably targeted based on information coming from here.

2) After the arrest mentioned above, there WERE a lot of minor busts, plus the one in Brookfield which may have been not so minor.

3) Based on hearsay, the Burns murder was a passionate crime - that is, the killer inflicted injuries greater than required to achieve the desired end.

Most people have supposed that the passion was romantic in nature, somehow (jealousy). But there are other kinds of passion, for example, revenge or a warning to others.

I keep coming back to the "summit" that Strelzin had sometime in the Fall when the DA, NHSP, Major Crime Unit, WPD, and "others Strelzin declined to name" were present. Some have suggested those others were Feds.

If the Feds are involved in this case, in any way, then it's much more complicated than the "husband vs. boyfriend" speculators would have it. Perhaps we'll learn more from 20/20 - although I suspect Wolfe City will just wind up getting trashed.

[Skip]

According to THIS Union Leader story ABC's 20-20 will do a feature story on this case.

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by Skip

According to THIS Union Leader story ABC's 20-20 will do a feature story on this case.

That was mentioned in post 232 by APS.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&postcount=232

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

That was mentioned in post 232 by APS.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&postcount=232

It was but then there was an additional article with more information that Skip posted. Thanks Skip.