Be aware - LSR for Prohibiting Rafting

JDeere · 02-08-2005, 09:41 AM

I sent an email to 3 of the 4 sponsors (1 did not have an email address) thus far no reply. In the email I stated that I would like to copy the reply to the Forum for all to see. I suspect (hope) to get some info today.

I could call but prefer a written reply.

Belmont Resident · 02-08-2005, 09:07 PM

Frank what you say might hold some truth but most of the attempts at pushing these bills through are the end result of the "I have money so I can change the world" landowners. Many are from out of state with second homes on the lake.
While I'm glad their tax dollars goes to providing NH kids with good school, I'm also glad they do not have a say in NH politics. Pretty soon this area will be as unappealing as Massachusetts is.
Now many will criticize me for putting Mass. down but if the state is so great then why does everybody flock to NH for just about all of their outdoor activities?
And why when the flocking starts so do the posts concerning the poor driving habits and arrogant attitudes towards others.

Will · 02-10-2005, 02:46 AM

Frank,

First of all I am sad to say you are sadly misguided, any person which has bought a boat has fed these " greedy and moneyhungry organizations". They are infact organizations set up to better the welfare of the boating community. While I am not going to sit here and argue with you about these organizations since they have obviously done good. I am infact a NH property owner and have been for the last 15 years. I do infact own lake property but I am not against rafting, dont see a problem with it and probably never will. However this has set off a red flag with me, it is unfair and is runing the boating experience. Sooo, we are trying to remedy that. While I know you are going to disagree with me here, we have but a small say of what goes on in the NH legislature, these organizations simply strengthen the pull we as citizens have in the NH legislative body.

If you are concerned about this maybe you can email Mr Whalley, I'm sure he will send you a personal email as any politician would, NOT! Pretty sad when the rep who is sponsoring doesn't even have the decency to send personal emails to those who email him, rather a form letter.But hey who am I to judge, it was like I wrote to a rockstar!

Cheers,

Will

JDeere · 02-10-2005, 09:19 AM

It is amazing that none of the Legislators replied to my email asking for an explanation why they wanted to ban rafting. If they provided a good reason I was prepared to support the ban. Maybe a form letter will show up in my mail as well but a 2 sentence email reply was not much to ask for.

I suspect they did not want the reply posted on the forum.........but why???

PROPELLER · 02-10-2005, 12:58 PM

Mr. Whalley did e-mail me & said he is working on ammending the LSR to allow 3 boats to raft. None of my own legislators have responded to my original e-mail asking them not to support the ban.

Will · 02-10-2005, 09:19 PM

I got the same email, he sent it to all of us, didnt answer any of my questions but he still sent it. Its kinda like this:
Me: "How many calories are in a Big Mac?"
NH Rep: "I like grapes."

Thats the kind of thing im working with.......see my point now? Three boats is not enough, we routinely raft up with 5 to 7 boats, so what they are not able to come with us now? AHH no.

Cheers

Will

Pine Island Guy · 02-11-2005, 10:27 AM

Just a quick note to those that may not be familiar with NH State Representatives … Unlike other states where being a Rep is a full-time job and pays better than most, NH has a very part-time Legislature that get paid a grand total of $400 per year plus mileage…

Most of them do not have a personal agenda, do not have PACs that wine and dine them, and actually put forth bills that are requested by the citizens they represent…

That being said, folks might want to cut them a little slack in their responsiveness…

Will · 02-12-2005, 12:48 AM

Your right. I like grapes too.

Will

ApS · 02-24-2005, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pine Island Guy

"...to those that may not be familiar with NH State Representatives … Unlike other states where being a Rep is a full-time job and pays better than most, NH has a very part-time Legislature that get paid a grand total of $400 per year plus mileage…"

The Citizen is reporting this morning that:

"Rep. Gene Chandler aborted his candidacy for re-election as speaker of the House of Representatives following a disclosure that he had received $64,000 from friends and lobbyists."

You don't wonder about "friends and lobbyists"

http://www.citizen.com/February_2005...l_02.23_05.asp

02-08-2005, 09:41 AM	#1
JDeere Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 295 Thanks: 74 Thanked 52 Times in 25 Posts	No Reply.....Yet I sent an email to 3 of the 4 sponsors (1 did not have an email address) thus far no reply. In the email I stated that I would like to copy the reply to the Forum for all to see. I suspect (hope) to get some info today. I could call but prefer a written reply.

02-08-2005, 09:07 PM	#2
Belmont Resident Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine Posts: 1,857 Thanks: 491 Thanked 410 Times in 251 Posts	frank m. Frank what you say might hold some truth but most of the attempts at pushing these bills through are the end result of the "I have money so I can change the world" landowners. Many are from out of state with second homes on the lake. While I'm glad their tax dollars goes to providing NH kids with good school, I'm also glad they do not have a say in NH politics. Pretty soon this area will be as unappealing as Massachusetts is. Now many will criticize me for putting Mass. down but if the state is so great then why does everybody flock to NH for just about all of their outdoor activities? And why when the flocking starts so do the posts concerning the poor driving habits and arrogant attitudes towards others. __________________ "better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, then a long life spent in a miserable way.."

02-10-2005, 02:46 AM	#3
Will Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mass. Posts: 63 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Response Frank, First of all I am sad to say you are sadly misguided, any person which has bought a boat has fed these " greedy and moneyhungry organizations". They are infact organizations set up to better the welfare of the boating community. While I am not going to sit here and argue with you about these organizations since they have obviously done good. I am infact a NH property owner and have been for the last 15 years. I do infact own lake property but I am not against rafting, dont see a problem with it and probably never will. However this has set off a red flag with me, it is unfair and is runing the boating experience. Sooo, we are trying to remedy that. While I know you are going to disagree with me here, we have but a small say of what goes on in the NH legislature, these organizations simply strengthen the pull we as citizens have in the NH legislative body. If you are concerned about this maybe you can email Mr Whalley, I'm sure he will send you a personal email as any politician would, NOT! Pretty sad when the rep who is sponsoring doesn't even have the decency to send personal emails to those who email him, rather a form letter.But hey who am I to judge, it was like I wrote to a rockstar! Cheers, Will

02-10-2005, 09:19 AM	#4
JDeere Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 295 Thanks: 74 Thanked 52 Times in 25 Posts	No Reply!!!!????? It is amazing that none of the Legislators replied to my email asking for an explanation why they wanted to ban rafting. If they provided a good reason I was prepared to support the ban. Maybe a form letter will show up in my mail as well but a 2 sentence email reply was not much to ask for. I suspect they did not want the reply posted on the forum.........but why???

02-10-2005, 12:58 PM	#5
PROPELLER Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 340 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Whalley Mr. Whalley did e-mail me & said he is working on ammending the LSR to allow 3 boats to raft. None of my own legislators have responded to my original e-mail asking them not to support the ban.

02-10-2005, 09:19 PM	#6
Will Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mass. Posts: 63 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	3 boats, I got the same email, he sent it to all of us, didnt answer any of my questions but he still sent it. Its kinda like this: Me: "How many calories are in a Big Mac?" NH Rep: "I like grapes." Thats the kind of thing im working with.......see my point now? Three boats is not enough, we routinely raft up with 5 to 7 boats, so what they are not able to come with us now? AHH no. Cheers Will

02-11-2005, 10:27 AM	#7
Pine Island Guy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: pine island of course! Posts: 406 Thanks: 248 Thanked 246 Times in 112 Posts	note... Just a quick note to those that may not be familiar with NH State Representatives … Unlike other states where being a Rep is a full-time job and pays better than most, NH has a very part-time Legislature that get paid a grand total of $400 per year plus mileage… Most of them do not have a personal agenda, do not have PACs that wine and dine them, and actually put forth bills that are requested by the citizens they represent… That being said, folks might want to cut them a little slack in their responsiveness…

02-12-2005, 12:48 AM	#8
Will Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mass. Posts: 63 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Your right Your right. I like grapes too. Will