Owl's Nest/Wise Owl, Alton, NH

JacksonB · 07-19-2010, 03:45 PM

Stopped by for lobster rolls on Saturday - lots of lobster for 9.99. Went back on Sunday for seconds.

joj129 · 07-19-2010, 09:25 PM

Seriously, I think a couple of you have missed the point of this forum. I put the original posting up because I love the Owl's Nest food and hospitality. I looked at the cabins and found them to be clean and adorable. We will stay there next time we have a vacation. As far as the dock goes, the neighbor who maliciously pulled the dock out obviously has never heard the saying what goes around comes around. Bad karma is not something I want to mess with. The King's are very nice people who have done an amazing job with the property. It looks so much nicer than in the past with extensive cabin renovations and ongoing changes to landscaping. If you'd like to find out the legalities of what has gone on, I suggest you stop in to use the store, have brunch on Sunday OR have a lobster roll (which Jackson B so nicely told us about) and chat with Mike King. You will not find a nicer man.

Rose · 07-20-2010, 06:21 AM

I haven't met Mike, but I know Jane from the office down at Ames Farm Inn. One of the nicest people I've ever met. She was recently featured in an article in the Citizen.

http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...TY02/707029978

Mr. V · 07-20-2010, 08:46 AM

I will visit the Owl frequently in a couple weeks when I am back at the Lake.

It is great to see someone putting some money and effort into it, as for quite awhile it seems to have been in somewhat of a decline.

The idea of a buffet amazes me: who knew?

But I believe my suggestion of hiring an attorney and deciding the dock access issue once and for all is a good one.

They obviously won't be able to settle it privately: either give up or go to court.

That's just the way it works.

Lucky1 · 07-20-2010, 10:40 AM

It was a very nice article. Nice to see that you are OK as I had not seen posts here from you since early June. PM me if you get a chance.

SmithPointer · 07-21-2010, 04:38 PM

Long time reader, first time poster ...

I've been going to the Wise Owl by boat since the late 1960s and my kids love going to breakfast there. I've been hearing conflicting stories from the rumor mill ... so I did some research:

I found the court settlement agreement that Slickcraft mentions in the Belknap County Registry of Deeds at Book 2571 Page 0700 (www.nhdeeds.com). The 2006 settlement agreement lists a bunch of rules and regulations that Wise Owl ownership apparently agreed to - the same rules and regulations listed on the signs at the end of the dock and on the beach area. In this agreement, Wise Owl ownership apparently conceded that Alton owned the small beach area and the dock.

There is a SECOND court settlement agreement in the Belknap County Registry of Deeds at Book 2651 Page 0306. This settlement agreement was approved and ordered by the court in April 2010 (looks like they took Mr. V's advice). Wise Owl ownership agreed to stop all commercial use to boaters coming off of the lake to access the store and/or restaurant! According to the agreement, Wise Owl ownership was supposed to purchase the beach and dock from the Town of Alton. (I was unable to find a deed from Alton to Wise Owl). I am not an attorney, but my interpretation is that no one is supposed to be able to access the store or restaurant from the dock or beach.

joj129 - "... pulled the dock out"? As of earlier today, the dock (with its "Police Line Do Not Cross" tape, "No Trespassing" signs, and covered over "Wise Owl" sign) was still in existence. Are we talking about the same dock?

BTW - for those looking for boat accessible breakfast locations - I've heard that Ames Farm is another great option (about a mile towards Laconia, ample safe docking, great food, and reasonable prices) ... haven't tried it yet, but hope to soon.

ishoot308 · 07-21-2010, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmithPointer

Long time reader, first time poster ...

I've been going to the Wise Owl by boat since the late 1960s and my kids love going to breakfast there. I've been hearing conflicting stories from the rumor mill ... so I did some research:

I found the court settlement agreement that Slickcraft mentions in the Belknap County Registry of Deeds at Book 2571 Page 0700 (www.nhdeeds.com). The 2006 settlement agreement lists a bunch of rules and regulations that Wise Owl ownership apparently agreed to - the same rules and regulations listed on the signs at the end of the dock and on the beach area. In this agreement, Wise Owl ownership apparently conceded that Alton owned the small beach area and the dock.

There is a SECOND court settlement agreement in the Belknap County Registry of Deeds at Book 2651 Page 0306. This settlement agreement was approved and ordered by the court in April 2010 (looks like they took Mr. V's advice). Wise Owl ownership agreed to stop all commercial use to boaters coming off of the lake to access the store and/or restaurant! According to the agreement, Wise Owl ownership was supposed to purchase the beach and dock from the Town of Alton. (I was unable to find a deed from Alton to Wise Owl). I am not an attorney, but my interpretation is that no one is supposed to be able to access the store or restaurant from the dock or beach.

joj129 - "... pulled the dock out"? As of earlier today, the dock (with its "Police Line Do Not Cross" tape, "No Trespassing" signs, and covered over "Wise Owl" sign) was still in existence. Are we talking about the same dock?

BTW - for those looking for boat accessible breakfast locations - I've heard that Ames Farm is another great option (about a mile towards Laconia, ample safe docking, great food, and reasonable prices) ... haven't tried it yet, but hope to soon.

Thanks for the info!

The Wise Owl told me when I called from my boat that I could beach my boat and go to the store / restaurant, but could not use the docks because they were condemned by the town.

Interesting...

Dan

Mr. V · 07-22-2010, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Thanks for the info!

The Wise Owl told me when I called from my boat that I could beach my boat and go to the store / restaurant, but could not use the docks because they were condemned by the town.

Interesting...

Dan

Hmmm ... Not that I would advocate scofflaw behavior, BUT ...

If the dock is intact but merely condemned: what consequence if a boater ties up to it and uses it?

You'd think it would take awhile for "the authorities" to respond, and by that time the boater would be gone.

I'm just sayin' ...

BackBay · 07-24-2010, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joj129

Seriously, I think a couple of you have missed the point of this forum. I put the original posting up because I love the Owl's Nest food and hospitality. I looked at the cabins and found them to be clean and adorable. We will stay there next time we have a vacation. As far as the dock goes, the neighbor who maliciously pulled the dock out obviously has never heard the saying what goes around comes around. Bad karma is not something I want to mess with. The King's are very nice people who have done an amazing job with the property. It looks so much nicer than in the past with extensive cabin renovations and ongoing changes to landscaping. If you'd like to find out the legalities of what has gone on, I suggest you stop in to use the store, have brunch on Sunday OR have a lobster roll (which Jackson B so nicely told us about) and chat with Mike King. You will not find a nicer man.

I was out on the boat the other day and I saw Winni Constuction and town employees taking down the dock so I figured I'd check things out. Having been in such bad shape for the past couple of years, I really just assumed it was being replaced! Well, it seems I've been missing out on some things! Because of the obvious growing animosity in these posts, I re-read everything really carefully. Most recently, JOJ129, I wonder about the post above because you posted it before I personally watched the dock coming down. That immediately made me question the validity of your comments...

Your first post - the one that started out this thread - almost seems like an ad - like something the owner of a business might post. I'm just sayin'... And your comments about the "malicious" act of the neighbor?

First of all, I watched the whole thing, and it seemed to me that the town was the one involved.
Also, in your initial post, you said you were visiting the area; do you actually know this "malicious" neighbor?
And, being from out of town, how is it that you know the dock came down? (and before it actually DID come down, at that!)

As an aside, this posting also sounds like an ad - like something the owner of a business might post. I'm just sayin'... (again)
Regardless, your comment "what goes around comes around" sounds almost threatening. Winni.com has rules about that.

I don't know about anyone else, but with such animosity on the thread, if I want more info on the legalities, I think I'll go to the courthouse or the cops rather than speak with Mike King. I'm kind of questioning his objectivity at this point. And afterall, it's summertime, and I can't get there by boat.

WinniGirl81 · 07-26-2010, 11:05 AM

First off, I’m here to set this straight. Joj129 is NOT the owner. How do I know this you ask? I’m the daughter of the owner that’s how. I will not get into the legality of the dock, because I’m too far removed from the situation to comment. I believe what Joj129 was trying to say that the neighbor tied his boat to the dock for an extended period of time, WHICH in turn pulled the dock out of alignment. This is what caused the dock to be “condemned”. Up until this neighbor purchased the adjacent property, the Wise Owl (or Owl’s Nest) always maintained the dock and beach in order to preserve the docks safety for its patrons. I know once the land became a question of ownership the Wise Owl was not liable to maintain the area. That was the town’s responsibility and the reason why the dock was never repaired. Yes, BackBay, you're correct. The town was the one involved in taking down the dock. The reason why the town is involved is due to the neighbors constant eye on our property. I believe this was the towns idea of a resolution in order to keep the neighbor at bay. A resolution that most likely won't fair well for the town.

Secondly, I do not believe Joj129 was trying to make a threat. Karma is only a belief. If that comment was malicious in any way or offended anyone I personally apologize. Why don’t we re-phrase the comment for those acting Christians, “Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” Luke 6:38 God does not make threats!

My family is a wonderful family. We’ve never done ill towards any of our neighbors and in fact gained many great friends within this small West Alton community since taking ownership. The "malicious" acts of asperity that our surrounding neighbors have inflicted upon us is completely unwarranted. The problem lies with greed. It pains me to see that such a beautiful place, such as Lake Winnipesaukee, be tainted by strong negative energy. To watch our neighbors attempt to destroy my family and its livelihood sends rage throughout my soul. BACKBAY, my father & brother have worked extremely hard at building this business up from the depths it once laid in. If your blood, sweat and tears were invested into a place that your neighbors were trying to destroy… your objectives, I would think, would not be questionable but justified. Instead of running around trying to get the "story" from all invested parties, I suggest you sit tight and wait until this dispute is settled.

In the end, good will prevail. That’s not a threat, but rather a promise! My family is good and will come out of this situation a stronger unit than when we started this very long journey.

To those on this thread that posted positive comments, including JOJ129, I greatly appreciate your thoughts. That's exactly what this forum is for. Food and service are extremely important to us and we ask our customers daily for their feedback and recommendations. It’s important to us to serve you the best, whether you're joining us in the Country Store or Restaurant or just by making your stay in our cottages more enjoyable! We receive a lot of positive feedback, which makes this whole ordeal worth it! I hope that you will all continue to join us at the Wise Owl. We’re here to stay!

RailroadJoe · 07-26-2010, 12:52 PM

I wish you had put a fence up to prevent the neighbors from even trying to use the dock. Too many times I see people being idiots and trying to get something for nothing. Hope the town (not too likely) realizes that you own the dock and will return it to the you. Like you said greed it getting worse, and so is envy.

Waterbaby · 07-26-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WinniGirl81

I hope that you will all continue to join us at the Wise Owl. We’re here to stay!

My family and I, for three, will certainly join you there! Although we do not get up to the Lake nearly as often as we wish these days, due to teenage schedules

, we will certainly stop in. We wish you well and continued success!

Also, is there any way the menu could be posted? That way we can call ahead for pick up, as we had done in years past!

Thank you!

WinniGirl81 · 07-26-2010, 06:39 PM

@RailroadJoe: We wish we did a lot of things, unfortunately a fence doesn't always keep the vermin out! There's obviously an agenda behind all this. I just hope it comes to a favorable resolution soon! We are simply astonished by this whole ordeal and would like to get back to building our business peacefully again.

@Waterbaby: We look forward to seeing you and your family and thank you for your continued patronage. Once I figure out how to get my menu file sized in a manner small enough to upload I will do so for you. The newly designed take out menu shows only our lunch, however, we have many new add-on's to the breakfast menu that I highly recommend you try. Just so you know we're running a Lobster Roll special for $9.99! It's a steal... and delicious!

We've also recently launched our Facebook page. Check us out at Northern Woods: Wise Owl Country Store, Restaurant & Cottages. The full menu will be up shortly.

And YES, that was just an plug by the owner's daughter! I hear social networking is the new black!

BackBay · 07-26-2010, 10:57 PM

@WinniGirl81

My family has enjoyed frequenting The Wise Owl for many generations; this is why the activity of the dock coming down caught my eye. I certainly did not know my comments would be met with such hostility; that was not my intention. I was simply reading, connecting the dots, and asking some questions (which haven't been answered yet - we'd love to hear from you JOJ129!) What have I gotten myself into, here? I'm really not all that invested in this thing - but I guess I'll bite -

"I believe what Joj129 was trying to say that the neighbor tied his boat to the dock for an extended period of time, WHICH in turn pulled the dock out of alignment."

I see nothing in this post - or any previous post - that refers in any way to this point; the neighbor's boat? - I don't know anything about that -
If a boat is tied up to a dock - a dock that has withstood YEARS of use - how could that boat possibly pull that dock out of alignment? Isn't that what docks are for? For tying up?
If JOJ129 is from out of town, how does s/he know about this "extended period of time", as you suggest?

"The reason why the town is involved (in the removal of the dock) is due to the neighbors constant eye on our property."

In my experience, the town does not involve itself in he said/she said matters (or he saw/she saw matters) - I believe they have more important issues to attend to. If the town is involved, there must be a legitimate reason.
The town does not have the right to simply pull a dock to solve a neighborly dispute. If your family's business had legal rights to that dock, you should be raising holy hell with the town!
Perhaps the reason the town is involved is because the dock was on town property (That's what the sign said, anyway - Who knew?)

"God does not make threats!"

You have presented a flawed argument of deduction, and you have brought religion into an argument of logic. Religion is anything but logical.
I am not an acting Christian, but a practicing Christian, and I present this example: "So this is what the LORD Almighty says about them: 'I will punish them! Their young men will die in battle, and their little boys and girls will starve. Not one of these plotters from Anathoth will survive, for I will bring disaster upon them when their time of punishment comes.'" Jeremiah 11:22-23 (This sounds threatening to me.)
And, of course, there's the entire book of Deuteronomy.
Now let's move on from the religious tone, shall we?

"The "malicious" acts of asperity that our surrounding neighbors have inflicted upon us is completely unwarranted. The problem lies with greed."

I had to look up "asperity" -
You refer repeatedly (throughout your post) to neighbors, plural, but you seem to direct your anger towards just one.
Greed is absolutely abhorable, but from reading these posts, this issue seems to be of a legal nature, not a moral one.
Just wondering ... Why did your neighbor have caution tape all over their dock? and what are those big posts across the beach for?

"Instead of running around trying to get the "story" from all invested parties, I suggest you sit tight and wait until this dispute is settled."

I made no such plans - I actually said just the opposite. Rather than speaking to the invested (non-objective) parties, I said that I'd "go to the courthouse or the cops" Your anger simply reinforces my opinion.

And finally ... "Joj129 is NOT the owner."

Looking at the posts, logic would suggest the opposite. I apologize.
Your final paragraph is very similar to the writing of JOJ129. The scattered exclamation points are very telling, as are the word choices and overall tone.
Oops! I apologize for making that connection, too.

I, too, appreciate the positive comments on the thread. I did not realize my comments were negative - I was simply questioning, interpreting, and commenting on what I read in an objective and logical manner. Perhaps logic offends you? I do apologize - I had no frame of reference, no back-story. No worries, though... you've made everything very clear for me, now.

Regardless, I won't be posting again; hostility can be infectious, and I'd hate to catch it (and I certainly wouldn't want to be tempted to break any winni.com rules!) Plus, after "meeting" the daughter of the owner, I doubt that I'll be stopping by the Wise Owl again ... you know, that store that my family has frequented for many generations? Yep - that one.

It's ok, though - afterall, it's summertime, and I can't get there by boat.

Mr. V · 07-26-2010, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WinniGirl81

In the end, good will prevail. That’s not a threat, but rather a promise! My family is good and will come out of this situation a stronger unit than when we started this very long journey.

Self-righteousness is not a bad thing, but you really should hire an attorney to straighten this unfortunate mess out.

Who knows, it could lead to a *shudder* compromise.

It might be nice if the seemingly nefarious neighbor weighed in with his/her point of view on the subject, just in the interests of fairness and balance.

But whatever, it is too bad the dock is gone, I've used it before and its loss cannot be helping business.

A shame, really.

BackBay · 07-26-2010, 11:19 PM

One more point:

"My family is a wonderful family."

My family's pretty great, too!
We own several businesses,
and we even play nice with our neighbors!
(even the ones we don't like very much...)

Lajonn57 · 07-27-2010, 12:23 AM

Good evening (morning),
My name is Mike King III (although everyone refers to me as Mike Jr.). I purchased the Wise Owl property in November of 2005 and have been intimately involved in the growth and revitalization of the property hitherto. My father Mike King Jr. (the elder King whom everyone refers to as Sr.) has worked with my mother and sister specifically in growing and running the restaurant and country store portion of the business. I heard that there was a lot of rumbling going on within this forum regarding the whole beach and dock situation and, given what I see transpiring, I will be posting all the facts about the subject property and the ongoing litigation within the next couple of days (no emotional outbursts or vindictive statements, just the facts); after that you are all free to assess and form your own opinions.
Because the situation has yet to see formal resolution and, given the fact that there's still ongoing litigation in the area involving us, the neighbor and the Town of Alton, I am still consulting with my attorney about next steps. Hopefully this can be resolved without further litigation. I'm sure we'll be talking to a local newspaper or two before all is said and done as well as we've received a surfeit of questions and inquiries for the past year or so. I was trying not to make waves in the media while the litigation was at its apogee but, in light of what transpired a few days ago with the dock being dismantled in violation of a court-ordered settlement between the three parties denoted above, I think that any interested parties deserve to hear what has been happening. Normally, I would take the time to do it now, but it's late and the paper-trail is a mile long (afterall, the tumult has been ongoing in that area for many years). Hopefully the facts will give you a much clearer picture of what is going on. I remain optimistic that the situation will come to a peaceful end soon and everyone can resume enjoying that area as they did for the preceding decades.
Also, please don't mistake my family's emotion for unwarranted hostility; the last few years (pertaining to the property issues) have been rather intense and it certainly takes its toll after a while. Fortunately, the lodging, restaurant and store operations remain strong and continue to improve daily, even as the legal stuff continues to play out in the back-drop (that wasn't an advertisement, it's the truth). During the decade which I spent in the financial industry before purchasing this property, the "kaizen" or "constant improvement" mantra was deeply embedded into my head at the firm and it is this mindset which my family and I continue to institute within this business and on the property to this very day. We did not get involved in this venture for a quick flip and profit, rather we have always sought to bring the Wise Owl back to its original 1940's glory and grow in synchrony with the surrounding community that is Lake Winnipesaukee.
In the meantime, please free to email me on the forum here with any questions or comments.

Regards,

-Mike

Waterbaby · 07-27-2010, 08:22 AM

Thank you, Mike - It's always nice to see an owner come onto a thread, clarify things, and make himself accessible to people who have questions about certain issues.

Now, everyone, can we get this thread back on the track begun by joj129 - the business itself and it's food? This is, after all, the restaurant forum!

Believe me, as a long-time member of winni.com I realize threads can go wayyyyy off the beaten track, I'm guilty of contributing to that myself upon occasion, but let's talk about the food! I'll be sure to give my input once I get there (if plans work out) next week..............

Have a happy day!

BackBay · 07-27-2010, 11:32 AM

Mike Jr,
You handle yourself very well. Thank you for your post and your professional demeanor. I have appreciated the improvements you have made with the business. Good job, and good luck. I am impressed.

Belmont Resident · 08-05-2012, 05:09 AM

All the legal stuff aside, where is this place? I've driven through Alton many times and never noticed the Owls Nest.
Except for the diner across from Walmart in Gilford there are not many good breakfast places and none with a buffet that I know of.
Alton is a nice motorcycle ride down 140 from Belmont.

upthesaukee · 08-05-2012, 07:03 AM

Heading East from Gilford to Alton, as Rte 11 leaves the lakeside by Ames Farm, the road starts a gentle up hill climb. Owl's nest is on the left about a quarter mile up the road from the lakeside portion, and is formally known as the Wise Owl. Used to have a dock where you could go by boat, but sadly, that option is no longer available due to legal problems yet to be resolved.

SIKSUKR · 08-06-2012, 09:12 AM

Last time I ate breakfast there( 2 years) it was great.4 egg omelette.

BroadHopper · 08-06-2012, 11:34 AM

I remember well, heated arguments between the govt and land owners about where the sewer lines were to be buried. There were some law written in the books that allow the govt jurisdiction over old RR right of ways even though the railroad gave up their rights and sold the land. One neighbor built a cabana and pool on the old right of way. Guess what, the govt dug up his pool and move the pool and cabana aside to put the sewage in. His lawyer told him not to bother sueing for damages.

If you had built on the old RR line, and the govt decides to extend the sewage line to Alton as originally intended, be prepared for the consequences.

This'nThat · 06-01-2013, 01:14 PM

A list was posted by WMUR readers yesterday (31 May 2013) listing the Wise Owl as #11 overall best breakfast place in New Hampshire (http://www.wmur.com/news/-/9858204/2...f/-/index.html). I believe it's the only one listed in the Lakes Region.

I've never heard of the Wise Owl before this, but I'll make a point to visit it, now.

Mr. V · 07-16-2014, 11:13 PM

How is the Owl doing so far this summer?

AC2717 · 07-17-2014, 08:18 AM

great place, a few weeks ago tried to go by boat, as the part of the family that used to own on SLeepers island said there were docks.
If there were, they are gone now.

If you had a putt putt you could pull it ashore on the sand that is at the bottom of the stairs, that is about it
was upset but what can you do, so then went to Ames Farm
they only have two - 1 boat slips for restaurant. both taken, ended up heading back towards the home berth and ended up in Meredith then headed back into the bay after Sunshine and Pa's

07-20-2010, 06:21 AM	#3
Rose Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 498 Thanks: 62 Thanked 71 Times in 32 Posts	Jane's great, too I haven't met Mike, but I know Jane from the office down at Ames Farm Inn. One of the nicest people I've ever met. She was recently featured in an article in the Citizen. http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll...TY02/707029978

07-21-2010, 04:38 PM	#6
SmithPointer Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wise Owl Long time reader, first time poster ... I've been going to the Wise Owl by boat since the late 1960s and my kids love going to breakfast there. I've been hearing conflicting stories from the rumor mill ... so I did some research: I found the court settlement agreement that Slickcraft mentions in the Belknap County Registry of Deeds at Book 2571 Page 0700 (www.nhdeeds.com). The 2006 settlement agreement lists a bunch of rules and regulations that Wise Owl ownership apparently agreed to - the same rules and regulations listed on the signs at the end of the dock and on the beach area. In this agreement, Wise Owl ownership apparently conceded that Alton owned the small beach area and the dock. There is a SECOND court settlement agreement in the Belknap County Registry of Deeds at Book 2651 Page 0306. This settlement agreement was approved and ordered by the court in April 2010 (looks like they took Mr. V's advice). Wise Owl ownership agreed to stop all commercial use to boaters coming off of the lake to access the store and/or restaurant! According to the agreement, Wise Owl ownership was supposed to purchase the beach and dock from the Town of Alton. (I was unable to find a deed from Alton to Wise Owl). I am not an attorney, but my interpretation is that no one is supposed to be able to access the store or restaurant from the dock or beach. joj129 - "... pulled the dock out"? As of earlier today, the dock (with its "Police Line Do Not Cross" tape, "No Trespassing" signs, and covered over "Wise Owl" sign) was still in existence. Are we talking about the same dock? BTW - for those looking for boat accessible breakfast locations - I've heard that Ames Farm is another great option (about a mile towards Laconia, ample safe docking, great food, and reasonable prices) ... haven't tried it yet, but hope to soon.

07-26-2010, 11:05 AM	#10
WinniGirl81 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9 Thanks: 4 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Let's settle this... First off, I’m here to set this straight. Joj129 is NOT the owner. How do I know this you ask? I’m the daughter of the owner that’s how. I will not get into the legality of the dock, because I’m too far removed from the situation to comment. I believe what Joj129 was trying to say that the neighbor tied his boat to the dock for an extended period of time, WHICH in turn pulled the dock out of alignment. This is what caused the dock to be “condemned”. Up until this neighbor purchased the adjacent property, the Wise Owl (or Owl’s Nest) always maintained the dock and beach in order to preserve the docks safety for its patrons. I know once the land became a question of ownership the Wise Owl was not liable to maintain the area. That was the town’s responsibility and the reason why the dock was never repaired. Yes, BackBay, you're correct. The town was the one involved in taking down the dock. The reason why the town is involved is due to the neighbors constant eye on our property. I believe this was the towns idea of a resolution in order to keep the neighbor at bay. A resolution that most likely won't fair well for the town. Secondly, I do not believe Joj129 was trying to make a threat. Karma is only a belief. If that comment was malicious in any way or offended anyone I personally apologize. Why don’t we re-phrase the comment for those acting Christians, “Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” Luke 6:38 God does not make threats! My family is a wonderful family. We’ve never done ill towards any of our neighbors and in fact gained many great friends within this small West Alton community since taking ownership. The "malicious" acts of asperity that our surrounding neighbors have inflicted upon us is completely unwarranted. The problem lies with greed. It pains me to see that such a beautiful place, such as Lake Winnipesaukee, be tainted by strong negative energy. To watch our neighbors attempt to destroy my family and its livelihood sends rage throughout my soul. BACKBAY, my father & brother have worked extremely hard at building this business up from the depths it once laid in. If your blood, sweat and tears were invested into a place that your neighbors were trying to destroy… your objectives, I would think, would not be questionable but justified. Instead of running around trying to get the "story" from all invested parties, I suggest you sit tight and wait until this dispute is settled. In the end, good will prevail. That’s not a threat, but rather a promise! My family is good and will come out of this situation a stronger unit than when we started this very long journey. To those on this thread that posted positive comments, including JOJ129, I greatly appreciate your thoughts. That's exactly what this forum is for. Food and service are extremely important to us and we ask our customers daily for their feedback and recommendations. It’s important to us to serve you the best, whether you're joining us in the Country Store or Restaurant or just by making your stay in our cottages more enjoyable! We receive a lot of positive feedback, which makes this whole ordeal worth it! I hope that you will all continue to join us at the Wise Owl. We’re here to stay!

07-26-2010, 10:57 PM	#14
BackBay Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Down, girl! @WinniGirl81 My family has enjoyed frequenting The Wise Owl for many generations; this is why the activity of the dock coming down caught my eye. I certainly did not know my comments would be met with such hostility; that was not my intention. I was simply reading, connecting the dots, and asking some questions (which haven't been answered yet - we'd love to hear from you JOJ129!) What have I gotten myself into, here? I'm really not all that invested in this thing - but I guess I'll bite - "I believe what Joj129 was trying to say that the neighbor tied his boat to the dock for an extended period of time, WHICH in turn pulled the dock out of alignment." I see nothing in this post - or any previous post - that refers in any way to this point; the neighbor's boat? - I don't know anything about that - If a boat is tied up to a dock - a dock that has withstood YEARS of use - how could that boat possibly pull that dock out of alignment? Isn't that what docks are for? For tying up? If JOJ129 is from out of town, how does s/he know about this "extended period of time", as you suggest? "The reason why the town is involved (in the removal of the dock) is due to the neighbors constant eye on our property." In my experience, the town does not involve itself in he said/she said matters (or he saw/she saw matters) - I believe they have more important issues to attend to. If the town is involved, there must be a legitimate reason. The town does not have the right to simply pull a dock to solve a neighborly dispute. If your family's business had legal rights to that dock, you should be raising holy hell with the town! Perhaps the reason the town is involved is because the dock was on town property (That's what the sign said, anyway - Who knew?) "God does not make threats!" You have presented a flawed argument of deduction, and you have brought religion into an argument of logic. Religion is anything but logical. I am not an acting Christian, but a practicing Christian, and I present this example: "So this is what the LORD Almighty says about them: 'I will punish them! Their young men will die in battle, and their little boys and girls will starve. Not one of these plotters from Anathoth will survive, for I will bring disaster upon them when their time of punishment comes.'" Jeremiah 11:22-23 (This sounds threatening to me.) And, of course, there's the entire book of Deuteronomy. Now let's move on from the religious tone, shall we? "The "malicious" acts of asperity that our surrounding neighbors have inflicted upon us is completely unwarranted. The problem lies with greed." I had to look up "asperity" - You refer repeatedly (throughout your post) to neighbors, plural, but you seem to direct your anger towards just one. Greed is absolutely abhorable, but from reading these posts, this issue seems to be of a legal nature, not a moral one. Just wondering ... Why did your neighbor have caution tape all over their dock? and what are those big posts across the beach for? "Instead of running around trying to get the "story" from all invested parties, I suggest you sit tight and wait until this dispute is settled." I made no such plans - I actually said just the opposite. Rather than speaking to the invested (non-objective) parties, I said that I'd "go to the courthouse or the cops" Your anger simply reinforces my opinion. And finally ... "Joj129 is NOT the owner." Looking at the posts, logic would suggest the opposite. I apologize. Your final paragraph is very similar to the writing of JOJ129. The scattered exclamation points are very telling, as are the word choices and overall tone. Oops! I apologize for making that connection, too. I, too, appreciate the positive comments on the thread. I did not realize my comments were negative - I was simply questioning, interpreting, and commenting on what I read in an objective and logical manner. Perhaps logic offends you? I do apologize - I had no frame of reference, no back-story. No worries, though... you've made everything very clear for me, now. Regardless, I won't be posting again; hostility can be infectious, and I'd hate to catch it (and I certainly wouldn't want to be tempted to break any winni.com rules!) Plus, after "meeting" the daughter of the owner, I doubt that I'll be stopping by the Wise Owl again ... you know, that store that my family has frequented for many generations? Yep - that one. It's ok, though - afterall, it's summertime, and I can't get there by boat.

07-26-2010, 11:19 PM	#16
BackBay Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	One more point: "My family is a wonderful family." My family's pretty great, too! We own several businesses, and we even play nice with our neighbors! (even the ones we don't like very much...)

07-19-2010, 03:45 PM	#1
JacksonB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alton Bay/CT Posts: 222 Thanks: 34 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Owl's Nest Stopped by for lobster rolls on Saturday - lots of lobster for 9.99. Went back on Sunday for seconds.

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07-19-2010, 09:25 PM	#2
joj129 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3 Thanks: 7 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Seriously, I think a couple of you have missed the point of this forum. I put the original posting up because I love the Owl's Nest food and hospitality. I looked at the cabins and found them to be clean and adorable. We will stay there next time we have a vacation. As far as the dock goes, the neighbor who maliciously pulled the dock out obviously has never heard the saying what goes around comes around. Bad karma is not something I want to mess with. The King's are very nice people who have done an amazing job with the property. It looks so much nicer than in the past with extensive cabin renovations and ongoing changes to landscaping. If you'd like to find out the legalities of what has gone on, I suggest you stop in to use the store, have brunch on Sunday OR have a lobster roll (which Jackson B so nicely told us about) and chat with Mike King. You will not find a nicer man.

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07-20-2010, 08:46 AM	#4
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,395 Thanks: 63 Thanked 256 Times in 174 Posts	I will visit the Owl frequently in a couple weeks when I am back at the Lake. It is great to see someone putting some money and effort into it, as for quite awhile it seems to have been in somewhat of a decline. The idea of a buffet amazes me: who knew? But I believe my suggestion of hiring an attorney and deciding the dock access issue once and for all is a good one. They obviously won't be able to settle it privately: either give up or go to court. That's just the way it works.

07-20-2010, 10:40 AM	#5
Lucky1 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Moultonborough and FL Posts: 459 Thanks: 318 Thanked 123 Times in 53 Posts	It was a very nice article. Nice to see that you are OK as I had not seen posts here from you since early June. PM me if you get a chance.

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07-26-2010, 12:52 PM	#11
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	I wish you had put a fence up to prevent the neighbors from even trying to use the dock. Too many times I see people being idiots and trying to get something for nothing. Hope the town (not too likely) realizes that you own the dock and will return it to the you. Like you said greed it getting worse, and so is envy.

07-26-2010, 06:39 PM	#13
WinniGirl81 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9 Thanks: 4 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	@RailroadJoe: We wish we did a lot of things, unfortunately a fence doesn't always keep the vermin out! There's obviously an agenda behind all this. I just hope it comes to a favorable resolution soon! We are simply astonished by this whole ordeal and would like to get back to building our business peacefully again. @Waterbaby: We look forward to seeing you and your family and thank you for your continued patronage. Once I figure out how to get my menu file sized in a manner small enough to upload I will do so for you. The newly designed take out menu shows only our lunch, however, we have many new add-on's to the breakfast menu that I highly recommend you try. Just so you know we're running a Lobster Roll special for $9.99! It's a steal... and delicious! We've also recently launched our Facebook page. Check us out at Northern Woods: Wise Owl Country Store, Restaurant & Cottages. The full menu will be up shortly. And YES, that was just an plug by the owner's daughter! I hear social networking is the new black!

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07-27-2010, 12:23 AM	#17
Lajonn57 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1 Thanks: 5 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: Wise Owl Dock & Beach Litigation Good evening (morning), My name is Mike King III (although everyone refers to me as Mike Jr.). I purchased the Wise Owl property in November of 2005 and have been intimately involved in the growth and revitalization of the property hitherto. My father Mike King Jr. (the elder King whom everyone refers to as Sr.) has worked with my mother and sister specifically in growing and running the restaurant and country store portion of the business. I heard that there was a lot of rumbling going on within this forum regarding the whole beach and dock situation and, given what I see transpiring, I will be posting all the facts about the subject property and the ongoing litigation within the next couple of days (no emotional outbursts or vindictive statements, just the facts); after that you are all free to assess and form your own opinions. Because the situation has yet to see formal resolution and, given the fact that there's still ongoing litigation in the area involving us, the neighbor and the Town of Alton, I am still consulting with my attorney about next steps. Hopefully this can be resolved without further litigation. I'm sure we'll be talking to a local newspaper or two before all is said and done as well as we've received a surfeit of questions and inquiries for the past year or so. I was trying not to make waves in the media while the litigation was at its apogee but, in light of what transpired a few days ago with the dock being dismantled in violation of a court-ordered settlement between the three parties denoted above, I think that any interested parties deserve to hear what has been happening. Normally, I would take the time to do it now, but it's late and the paper-trail is a mile long (afterall, the tumult has been ongoing in that area for many years). Hopefully the facts will give you a much clearer picture of what is going on. I remain optimistic that the situation will come to a peaceful end soon and everyone can resume enjoying that area as they did for the preceding decades. Also, please don't mistake my family's emotion for unwarranted hostility; the last few years (pertaining to the property issues) have been rather intense and it certainly takes its toll after a while. Fortunately, the lodging, restaurant and store operations remain strong and continue to improve daily, even as the legal stuff continues to play out in the back-drop (that wasn't an advertisement, it's the truth). During the decade which I spent in the financial industry before purchasing this property, the "kaizen" or "constant improvement" mantra was deeply embedded into my head at the firm and it is this mindset which my family and I continue to institute within this business and on the property to this very day. We did not get involved in this venture for a quick flip and profit, rather we have always sought to bring the Wise Owl back to its original 1940's glory and grow in synchrony with the surrounding community that is Lake Winnipesaukee. In the meantime, please free to email me on the forum here with any questions or comments. Regards, -Mike Last edited by Lajonn57; 04-19-2012 at 05:23 PM.

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07-27-2010, 08:22 AM	#18
Waterbaby Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kensington, NH and Paugus Bay Marina Posts: 656 Thanks: 323 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Thank you, Mike - It's always nice to see an owner come onto a thread, clarify things, and make himself accessible to people who have questions about certain issues. Now, everyone, can we get this thread back on the track begun by joj129 - the business itself and it's food? This is, after all, the restaurant forum! Believe me, as a long-time member of winni.com I realize threads can go wayyyyy off the beaten track, I'm guilty of contributing to that myself upon occasion, but let's talk about the food! I'll be sure to give my input once I get there (if plans work out) next week.............. Have a happy day! __________________ On the boat is always waterfront!

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07-27-2010, 11:32 AM	#19
BackBay Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Mike Jr, You handle yourself very well. Thank you for your post and your professional demeanor. I have appreciated the improvements you have made with the business. Good job, and good luck. I am impressed.

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08-05-2012, 05:09 AM	#20
Belmont Resident Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine Posts: 1,857 Thanks: 491 Thanked 410 Times in 251 Posts	Ok! All the legal stuff aside, where is this place? I've driven through Alton many times and never noticed the Owls Nest. Except for the diner across from Walmart in Gilford there are not many good breakfast places and none with a buffet that I know of. Alton is a nice motorcycle ride down 140 from Belmont. __________________ "better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, then a long life spent in a miserable way.."

08-05-2012, 07:03 AM	#21
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	close to Ames Farm Heading East from Gilford to Alton, as Rte 11 leaves the lakeside by Ames Farm, the road starts a gentle up hill climb. Owl's nest is on the left about a quarter mile up the road from the lakeside portion, and is formally known as the Wise Owl. Used to have a dock where you could go by boat, but sadly, that option is no longer available due to legal problems yet to be resolved. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

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08-06-2012, 09:12 AM	#22
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Last time I ate breakfast there( 2 years) it was great.4 egg omelette. __________________ SIKSUKR

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08-06-2012, 11:34 AM	#23
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,576 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 1,103 Times in 794 Posts	Winnipesaukee Basin Project I remember well, heated arguments between the govt and land owners about where the sewer lines were to be buried. There were some law written in the books that allow the govt jurisdiction over old RR right of ways even though the railroad gave up their rights and sold the land. One neighbor built a cabana and pool on the old right of way. Guess what, the govt dug up his pool and move the pool and cabana aside to put the sewage in. His lawyer told him not to bother sueing for damages. If you had built on the old RR line, and the govt decides to extend the sewage line to Alton as originally intended, be prepared for the consequences. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

06-01-2013, 01:14 PM	#24
This'nThat Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 534 Thanks: 19 Thanked 134 Times in 61 Posts	Rated #11 by WMUR A list was posted by WMUR readers yesterday (31 May 2013) listing the Wise Owl as #11 overall best breakfast place in New Hampshire (http://www.wmur.com/news/-/9858204/2...f/-/index.html). I believe it's the only one listed in the Lakes Region. I've never heard of the Wise Owl before this, but I'll make a point to visit it, now.

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07-16-2014, 11:13 PM	#25
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,395 Thanks: 63 Thanked 256 Times in 174 Posts	How is the Owl doing so far this summer?

07-17-2014, 08:18 AM	#26
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,575 Thanks: 753 Thanked 354 Times in 266 Posts	great place, a few weeks ago tried to go by boat, as the part of the family that used to own on SLeepers island said there were docks. If there were, they are gone now. If you had a putt putt you could pull it ashore on the sand that is at the bottom of the stairs, that is about it was upset but what can you do, so then went to Ames Farm they only have two - 1 boat slips for restaurant. both taken, ended up heading back towards the home berth and ended up in Meredith then headed back into the bay after Sunshine and Pa's __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"