100 MPH Through No Wake Zone?

Skip · 08-08-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

That must have been awesome to see.

Legal question: Say the Marine Patrol shows up at the boat owner's home, who gets the ticket? You can't give a speeding ticket to an object, it goes to an operator, but how do you prove who the operator was?

Good question.

One or more of the officers that witnessed the violations would have to testify, if it went to court, that they recognized the person receiving the summonses as the operator of the boat at the time of the offenses.

It appears from the brief description of the radio traffic given by BI that this is indeed the case here.

VtSteve · 08-08-2010, 10:49 AM

It's those flagrant violators that need to be put on record for sure. People like that are just scofflaws, and need to be dealt with. Good to see the MP's were more than prepared for him. As is the case everywhere, once you clamp down on the most flagrant offenders, everything else becomes civilized education.

I'm sure if all the MP's had to do is talk and educate the more inexperienced boaters, and help people that need it, they would have as happy a time in their jobs as everyone else wants to on the lake.

There are severe penalties most everywhere on the road, for say, going that fast through a school zone or something like that. Skip, what are the penalties for these infractions?

Skip · 08-08-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VtSteve

...There are severe penalties most everywhere on the road, for say, going that fast through a school zone or something like that. Skip, what are the penalties for these infractions?...

Failing to stop for the NHMP is a misdemeanor offense.

In case like the one described by BI, the prosecutor may take the violations and roll them into another misdemeanor offense of Reckless Operation.

If the incident is as described and a conviction is obtained I would expect the violator to receive a hefty monetary fine and a loss of boat operating privileges.

VtSteve · 08-08-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Failing to stop for the NHMP is a misdemeanor offense.

In case like the one described by BI, the prosecutor may take the violations and roll them into another misdemeanor offense of Reckless Operation.

If the incident is as described and a conviction is obtained I would expect the violator to receive a hefty monetary fine and a loss of boat operating privileges.

I would think failing to stop for the MP would be a night or two in jail, plus a huge fine. Loss of boating privileges is a good penalty as well. The Reckless Operation is a serious offense in a car, and if he was sober, I'd really be worried about having him back on the lake.

This'nThat · 08-08-2010, 08:32 PM

I was talking to an MP just last week, and asked him how fast his boat could go. He said around 70, depending on fuel aboard. When I pointed out there were a few boats that he wouldn't be able to keep up with on the lake, his nonchelaunt response was:

Yeah, but they can't outrun the radio. And there's no place to hide on the lake.

So, it's clear they have plans that they execute in those situations.

BroadHopper · 08-08-2010, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by This'nThat

I was talking to an MP just last week, and asked him how fast his boat could go. He said around 70, depending on fuel aboard. When I pointed out there were a few boats that he wouldn't be able to keep up with on the lake, his nonchelaunt response was:

Yeah, but they can't outrun the radio. And there's no place to hide on the lake.

So, it's clear they have plans that they execute in those situations.

In the case of the Littlefield incident. They failed to find the boat. Littlefield turned himself in.

I wonder if MP today have enough manpower to fully search a lake. Lots of boat houses out there to hide in. Lots of launch ramps to watch.

This'nThat · 08-09-2010, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I wonder if MP today have enough manpower to fully search a lake. Lots of boat houses out there to hide in. Lots of launch ramps to watch.

Well, it doesn't stop the MP from dreaming about catching the BIG ONE, does it? Kinda like our local fisherman -- the big one's down there somewhere, and no place to hide!

OCDACTIVE · 08-09-2010, 08:33 AM

This is very upsetting. Another case of where one bad apple ruins it for the bunch.

With the hundreds of performance boats on the lake please do not construe this as representative of the entire group. Just as we shouldn't stereotype all PWC's due to one individual that cuts you off.

BroadHopper · 08-09-2010, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

This is very upsetting. Another case of where one bad apple ruins it for the bunch.

With the hundreds of performance boats on the lake please do not construe this as representative of the entire group. Just as we shouldn't stereotype all PWC's due to one individual that cuts you off.

Especially when folks says these boats are going 100 mph. Contrary to popular believe. Deep Vee boats at most travel about 80 mph. To reach that speed, it requires good choppy conditions on the water so that the hull can capture air to reduce friction.

There is a 'Top Gun' school off Ft Lauderdale Fl. It's a comprehensive course in performance boat handling. Safety and Defensive driving are the number one priority lessons to be learned. I highly recommend this course to any owner of a performance boat. Many LEOs get their driving skills from this school. Including the stars form the latest 'Miami Vice' movie.

LIforrelaxin · 08-09-2010, 09:42 AM

BI,

I am not upset about your post in general but to throw a derived number out there like 100 mph seems a bit excessive. I am by no means defending the offender, but you are adding fuel to the fire here. The number of 100 mph boats on the lake are slim....80 mph I would believe.... and would not have a problem with... but exaggerating to 100 mph is over the top....

Now as for someone else post about the speed of Radio... yep, you may be able to out run them but you will never out run the Radio waves... I have been talking to Marine Patrol officers casually, and seen stupid moves...and because they happen in the distance and going the opposite way, seen officers Radio ahead.... to get them stopped. It works quite well...

Knowing where a boat is from or getting its bow numbers is a big help too... the MPs, are not above making house calls for real idiots.

chipj29 · 08-09-2010, 11:05 AM

Although I agree that 80 is not 100, I am not sure that it matters. The guy in the boat was going at least 10 times the legal "speed limit" in the NWZ. That my friends is completely unacceptable. Heck, any speed above no wake speed is unacceptable.

Bear Islander · 08-09-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

BI,

I am not upset about your post in general but to throw a derived number out there like 100 mph seems a bit excessive. I am by no means defending the offender, but you are adding fuel to the fire here. The number of 100 mph boats on the lake are slim....80 mph I would believe.... and would not have a problem with... but exaggerating to 100 mph is over the top....

Now as for someone else post about the speed of Radio... yep, you may be able to out run them but you will never out run the Radio waves... I have been talking to Marine Patrol officers casually, and seen stupid moves...and because they happen in the distance and going the opposite way, seen officers Radio ahead.... to get them stopped. It works quite well...

Knowing where a boat is from or getting its bow numbers is a big help too... the MPs, are not above making house calls for real idiots.

First off, I placed a question mark after my 100 MPH reference.

Secondly you say the number of boats on the lake that can go 100 mph are "slim". I agree. However I spend my summers in a high traffic area and have been here almost 30 years. During that time I have never seen a boat go ANYWHERE NEAR THIS FAST. So it seems this boat is one of that "slim" number. I checked online and found references to Cigarette boats that go 90, 100, 115 and 120 MPH, or at least that is the claim.

Thirdly my post was intended to be more humorous than factual. I was playing on the complete absurdity of a boat going that fast through a NWZ. But it is hard sometimes to tell if the person posting is serious, angry, trying to be funny etc. I'm sorry if you misunderstood.

pm203 suggested that there is nothing funny about what happened. All I can tell you is that everyone at our place was laughing out loud and so where my neighbors on both sides. I received a call from a Bear Island neighbor and she was also laughing. A huge, beautiful, fire engine red, incredibly loud boat going by at "ludicrous speed" struck us all funny. What can I say.

Woodsy · 08-09-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

A huge, beautiful, fire engine red, incredibly loud boat going by at "ludicrous speed" struck us all funny. What can I say.

OMG!!! They have gone PLAID!!!

ITD · 08-09-2010, 11:28 AM

Hey BI, don't you have a camera pointed in that direction? I'd love to see the video of the transgression. Post it for us if you have it. Thanks.

VtSteve · 08-09-2010, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by This'nThat

I was talking to an MP just last week, and asked him how fast his boat could go. He said around 70, depending on fuel aboard. When I pointed out there were a few boats that he wouldn't be able to keep up with on the lake, his nonchelaunt response was:

Yeah, but they can't outrun the radio. And there's no place to hide on the lake.

So, it's clear they have plans that they execute in those situations.

What MP boat can run 70? I know the ribs the CG uses here are very heavy, about 9,000 pounds plus loaded. With big twin outboards, they hit maybe 50.

This'nThat · 08-09-2010, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VtSteve

What MP boat can run 70? I know the ribs the CG uses here are very heavy, about 9,000 pounds plus loaded. With big twin outboards, they hit maybe 50.

That's the quote from the MP. 70 was the top number, and only if it wasn't fully fueled. And he did admit that the boats were heavy -- he brought that up, in fact.

So, I have no reason to believe that he was lying or exagerrating. Not that it matters much -- he can catch up to most boats, and the few he can't catch -- there's radio.

Formula · 08-08-2010, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VtSteve

I would think failing to stop for the MP would be a night or two in jail, plus a huge fine. Loss of boating privileges is a good penalty as well. The Reckless Operation is a serious offense in a car, and if he was sober, I'd really be worried about having him back on the lake.

Losing his boating privileges would be great but my guess is that based on the violations he/she would continue to operate without a certificate

VitaBene · 08-08-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Formula

Losing his boating privileges would be great but my guess is that based on the violations he/she would continue to operate without a certificate

As, I am guessing, half of the other boaters on the lake do!

C_Duff · 08-09-2010, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip

If the incident is as described and a conviction is obtained I would expect the violator to receive a hefty monetary fine and a loss of boat operating privileges.

Sadly, I doubt that would stop him from doing it again.

Kamper · 08-08-2010, 11:15 AM

Maybe it's like SeaTow. If the owner is on the boat he is assumed to be in command and could have directed the pilot's actions. Under that line of arguement you could theortecally isue two tickets since the "Captain" does not have the right to issue an order resulting in a hazardous or illegal action.

Just thinking out loud.

MAXUM · 08-08-2010, 11:25 AM

Can't tell me though that the MP wasn't having just a little fun taking on a coordinated high speed chase on the lake. They may never admit it but you know those guys eat that stuff up.

Sounds like they are going to throw the book at whoever that person was. I agree with VtSteve, finally somebody who should get caught did.

Way to get 'em MP!

08-08-2010, 08:32 PM	#5
This'nThat Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 534 Thanks: 19 Thanked 134 Times in 61 Posts	Can't outrun the radio I was talking to an MP just last week, and asked him how fast his boat could go. He said around 70, depending on fuel aboard. When I pointed out there were a few boats that he wouldn't be able to keep up with on the lake, his nonchelaunt response was: Yeah, but they can't outrun the radio. And there's no place to hide on the lake. So, it's clear they have plans that they execute in those situations.

08-09-2010, 08:33 AM	#8
OCDACTIVE Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fort Myers FL / Moultonboro Posts: 1,045 Thanks: 444 Thanked 574 Times in 178 Posts	This is very upsetting. Another case of where one bad apple ruins it for the bunch. With the hundreds of performance boats on the lake please do not construe this as representative of the entire group. Just as we shouldn't stereotype all PWC's due to one individual that cuts you off. __________________ Have you had your Vessel Inspected Yet?

08-09-2010, 09:42 AM	#10
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas, Lake Ray Hubbard and NH, Long Island Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,927 Thanks: 1,058 Thanked 902 Times in 532 Posts	BI, I am not upset about your post in general but to throw a derived number out there like 100 mph seems a bit excessive. I am by no means defending the offender, but you are adding fuel to the fire here. The number of 100 mph boats on the lake are slim....80 mph I would believe.... and would not have a problem with... but exaggerating to 100 mph is over the top.... Now as for someone else post about the speed of Radio... yep, you may be able to out run them but you will never out run the Radio waves... I have been talking to Marine Patrol officers casually, and seen stupid moves...and because they happen in the distance and going the opposite way, seen officers Radio ahead.... to get them stopped. It works quite well... Knowing where a boat is from or getting its bow numbers is a big help too... the MPs, are not above making house calls for real idiots. __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

08-09-2010, 11:05 AM	#11
chipj29 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bow Posts: 1,874 Thanks: 521 Thanked 308 Times in 162 Posts	Although I agree that 80 is not 100, I am not sure that it matters. The guy in the boat was going at least 10 times the legal "speed limit" in the NWZ. That my friends is completely unacceptable. Heck, any speed above no wake speed is unacceptable. __________________ Getting ready for winter!

08-08-2010, 10:49 AM	#2
VtSteve Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,320 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 230 Thanked 361 Times in 169 Posts	It's those flagrant violators that need to be put on record for sure. People like that are just scofflaws, and need to be dealt with. Good to see the MP's were more than prepared for him. As is the case everywhere, once you clamp down on the most flagrant offenders, everything else becomes civilized education. I'm sure if all the MP's had to do is talk and educate the more inexperienced boaters, and help people that need it, they would have as happy a time in their jobs as everyone else wants to on the lake. There are severe penalties most everywhere on the road, for say, going that fast through a school zone or something like that. Skip, what are the penalties for these infractions?

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08-09-2010, 11:28 AM	#14
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,942 Thanks: 483 Thanked 700 Times in 391 Posts	Hey BI, don't you have a camera pointed in that direction? I'd love to see the video of the transgression. Post it for us if you have it. Thanks.

08-08-2010, 11:15 AM	#20
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,312 Thanks: 67 Thanked 172 Times in 128 Posts	Maybe it's like SeaTow. If the owner is on the boat he is assumed to be in command and could have directed the pilot's actions. Under that line of arguement you could theortecally isue two tickets since the "Captain" does not have the right to issue an order resulting in a hazardous or illegal action. Just thinking out loud.

08-08-2010, 11:25 AM	#21
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	Can't tell me though that the MP wasn't having just a little fun taking on a coordinated high speed chase on the lake. They may never admit it but you know those guys eat that stuff up. Sounds like they are going to throw the book at whoever that person was. I agree with VtSteve, finally somebody who should get caught did. Way to get 'em MP!