100 MPH Through No Wake Zone?

[LakeSnake]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

These is exactly why ALL boating violations should be handled the same way as driving violations and go against ones driving record.
There are way too many boaters who have enough money that they can keep repeating their offences, paying the fine and moving on with no accountability for their actions.
It’s a 200K to 400K boat, do you seriously think gas money is a concern.

Don't forget that if they have the money for a 400k boat they most likely have the money for 100K lawyer as well. Which will just end up wasting our tax dollars on a long drawn out court battle - which will most lilely end with a slap on the hands.

[John A. Birdsall]

It would seem to me that a boat that size doing 100 MPH would put out less wake than the same boat doing 5-10 mph. So perhaps he was just trying to have no wake.

Last weekend I saw what appeared to me to be an old wooden laker going from Little Mark to Echo Point and it was going fast. Perhaps around 60 I do not think I ever seen one of them boats going that fast.

[pm203]

I think that Toyota may have manufactured the throttles for this boat explaining everything.

[Belmont Resident]

Lake Snake
I was just told that with the passing of the new speed limit law all boating infractions are reported to the DMV but only in NH. So residents now accumulate points against their driving record while none residents retain a record of the violation which if they move to this state is then applied.
Not exactly sure how it works but I’m sure it’s not hard to check it out.
Hopefully this will curb repeat offenders.

As for the boat at bottom of this debate I was told it was not a Cigarette boat.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

As for the boat at bottom of this debate I was told it was not a Cigarette boat.

From what I understand it was an Outerlimits.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Lake Snake
I was just told that with the passing of the new speed limit law all boating infractions are reported to the DMV but only in NH. So residents now accumulate points against their driving record while none residents retain a record of the violation which if they move to this state is then applied.
Not exactly sure how it works but I’m sure it’s not hard to check it out.
Hopefully this will curb repeat offenders.

As for the boat at bottom of this debate I was told it was not a Cigarette boat.

The problem with accumulating points in NH, is that eventually you can accumulate enough NH points for NH to revoke your driving privileges....Yes you can be excluded from driving in a particular state even if you don't have your license there.... However wait it only gets better... because when that happens a notice goes out to the state where you have your drivers license indicate that your right to operate a motor vehicle has been revoked, and your state may or may not chose do penalize you in some way, and of course then your insurance company hears about it.... There go your insurance rates..... All because of a few infractions on the lake....

[pm203]

You would have to blatantly break the speed limit in front of the MP numerous times before you would be issued enough citations to have your driving privelages revoked. Its almost impossible. Unless you are doing 100 through a no wake zone or some other blatant act endangering others, the MP does not take notice . They are smart enough and educated enough to look for the real problems. A boat going 60 in the broads would not even get a yawn from them.Thank goodness they are a good bunch with common sense.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by pm203

You would have to blatantly break the speed limit in front of the MP numerous times before you would be issued enough citations to have your driving privelages revoked. Its almost impossible. Unless you are doing 100 through a no wake zone or some other blatant act endangering others, the MP does not take notice . They are smart enough and educated enough to look for the real problems. A boat going 60 in the broads would not even get a yawn from them.Thank goodness they are a good bunch with common sense.

Now, speaking from experience. A 100mph speeding ticket in a 65 zone in a car adds 4 points to your drivers license. A 26mph over adds 3 and a seat belt violation adds 2. Put these three violations together in one calendar year and you have exceeded the number of points one can accrue in that calendar year, you lose your license for about 6 months, give or take on top of the individual violation suspensions.

And for anyone wondering, yes it was me and that was over 10 years ago without a ticket since. Total violation fines were over 1K with a 1 year probation period on my license, that ANY moving violation would kick in another 6 month loss of license that was suspended for good behavior.

It adds up quicker than you think.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by jmen24

Now, speaking from experience. A 100mph speeding ticket in a 65 zone in a car adds 4 points to your drivers license. A 26mph over adds 3 and a seat belt violation adds 2. Put these three violations together in one calendar year and you have exceeded the number of points one can accrue in that calendar year, you lose your license for about 6 months, give or take on top of the individual violation suspensions.

And for anyone wondering, yes it was me and that was over 10 years ago without a ticket since. Total violation fines were over 1K with a 1 year probation period on my license, that ANY moving violation would kick in another 6 month loss of license that was suspended for good behavior.

It adds up quicker than you think.

True. But, that's on the road. The lake and lake violations are a different story.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by pm203

True. But, that's on the road. The lake and lake violations are a different story.

I agree and you are probably right. Unfortunately we have no idea what a violation on the water will add for points.

The problem that happens when you start racking up points on the road, is the local PD has your number and they start paying very close attention to what you are doing and keep an eye out for you. I would think the MP would do the same thing.

[Rotor]

I had the ear of a MP last evening at the Pembroke Old Home Day and since I was interested, I asked for his take on the matter.

1) As far as he knew (and he admitted he might be wrong) only D.U.I goes against your motor vehicle license, but he can cut your license up on the spot for that.

2) If they felt he was evading (failure to stop) he was look at going straight to jail.

[VtSteve]

I'd agree with that. Failing to stop for a LEO should mean cuffs. His not stopping should provide for stiffer penalties than just going that cray speed through a NWZ. I'd treat it the same as a C&N on the road with failure to stop and evading.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Rotor

I had the ear of a MP last evening at the Pembroke Old Home Day and since I was interested, I asked for his take on the matter.

1) As far as he knew (and he admitted he might be wrong) only D.U.I goes against your motor vehicle license, but he can cut your license up on the spot for that.

2) If they felt he was evading (failure to stop) he was look at going straight to jail.

Reference #1: As has been covered numerous times in various other posts here, all violations of the General Boating Laws will be reported to the Director of Motor Vehicles. This applies to any violation Statewide, not just on Lake winnipesaukee.

Additionally no law enforcement officer has the authority to "cut up" anyone's license. If you test over the limit or refuse to submit to a test, the arresting officer confiscates your license and sends it to DMV, he does not destroy it. In it's place you are given a paper temporary license good for 30 days during which time you can appeal and ask for a hearing at DMV.

Reference #2: If the individual is placed in custody for any offense the arresting officer takes him to the nearest facility to process the arrest. During this process a bail commissioner is contacted and the commissioner sets bail, not the officer. If the individual cannot meet bail requirements he then is transported to a holding facility. However the arresting officer doesn't and can't just take anyone "straight to jail"

In both cases a fundamental right of due process covers the way an individual is handled and processed during an arrest.

All that said I have learned a long time ago not to attribute too much concern over a third party version of a supposed conversation.

If the NHMP actually operated in the manner described above, believe you me we would have been aware of major civil rights lawsuits against that agency!

[Rotor]

Originally Posted by Skip

Reference #1: As has been covered numerous times in various other posts here, all violations of the General Boating Laws will be reported to the Director of Motor Vehicles. This applies to any violation Statewide, not just on Lake winnipesaukee.

Additionally no law enforcement officer has the authority to "cut up" anyone's license. If you test over the limit or refuse to submit to a test, the arresting officer confiscates your license and sends it to DMV, he does not destroy it. In it's place you are given a paper temporary license good for 30 days during which time you can appeal and ask for a hearing at DMV.

Reference #2: If the individual is placed in custody for any offense the arresting officer takes him to the nearest facility to process the arrest. During this process a bail commissioner is contacted and the commissioner sets bail, not the officer. If the individual cannot meet bail requirements he then is transported to a holding facility. However the arresting officer doesn't and can't just take anyone "straight to jail"

In both cases a fundamental right of due process covers the way an individual is handled and processed during an arrest.

All that said I have learned a long time ago not to attribute too much concern over a third party version of a supposed conversation.

If the NHMP actually operated in the manner described above, believe you me we would have been aware of major civil rights lawsuits against that agency!

He admitted that he might be wrong, and I related that.
"Straight to jail" was a figure of speech. impling that the consequences could be very severe.
He was pretty convinced he could "cut up" (his words) a licence for a DUI on the spot though.

I was attempting to relate the position of the officer I was speaking to.

There are a lot of posts on this forum and I am new, so please excuse me if I was unaware that this material had been previousy covered.
(At least I attempted a reasonable on topic post that was not just my opinion.)

[RI Swamp Yankee]

Originally Posted by Skip

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Reference #2: If the individual is placed in custody for any offense the arresting officer takes him to the nearest facility to process the arrest. During this process a bail commissioner is contacted and the commissioner sets bail, not the officer. If the individual cannot meet bail requirements he then is transported to a holding facility. However the arresting officer doesn't and can't just take anyone "straight to jail"....

That must be only a NH thing, doesn't work that way in RI.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Skip

Reference #2: If the individual is placed in custody for any offense the arresting officer takes him to the nearest facility to process the arrest. During this process a bail commissioner is contacted and the commissioner sets bail, not the officer. If the individual cannot meet bail requirements he then is transported to a holding facility. However the arresting officer doesn't and can't just take anyone "straight to jail"

If I had known that 20 years ago, Meredith PD will be in deep dudu. I was arrested for BUI early Sunday morning. Because he was the only officer on duty that morning, he had to transport me to the Belknap County Jail. The sherriff dept called a bondsman and I was release. I had to find my own ride home.

FYI, I was found innocent in Superior Court as I had .00 on the breathalyzer.

[NHBUOY]

...can I get an answer to my post.?..not obfuscation......

[Finder]

... There go your insurance rates..... All because of a few infractions on the lake....

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.