Navigation Hazzard in the Weirs Channel

TiltonBB · 08-24-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Yankee

So you care not that that tree is somones' private property? I take it that your attitude is dammit I don't live here but I demand that tree must go! I'm succesful, make alot of money, I'm entitled! What's next, the bridge needs to be raised because ones' boat won't fit undreneanth?

Sorry, one can't simply demand that a tree be cut/trimmed because you deem it neccessary. Your arrogance is astounding!

The good folks at NHMP are still probaby laughing at your phone calls.

You are totally wrong Mr. Yankee. If the tree presents a hazard to navigation then it is a legitimate complaint. The Marine Patrol can decide. I am guessing you have not seen the tree in question, just want to express your opinion. Anyone's property whether it is a tree, dock, float, mooring, or something else is subject to safety regulations. In an effort to keep the lake safe we should welcome a review of anything that may pose a problem.

jrc · 08-24-2010, 07:20 PM

Yankee, a little harsh? I think you read a little too much into LDR4's message. I don't see any arrogance, maybe you should re-read his post, or I should.

Yankee · 08-24-2010, 08:03 PM

I have seen it Mr. TiltonBB, and it is not a hazard to navigation to 99% of the boats that travel through the channel. I keep my boat down in Lakeport and I go through the Weirs every time that I take my boat out and back in.

To force the landowner to take down a tree for such a small number of craft IMO is ludicrous.

Start a petition, get the local landowners and citizens to agree with your plight to force the landowner to eliminate this then legally navigation hazard.

To call up the NHMP and ask for that tree to be removed in this instance is, again, laughable.

bobio · 08-24-2010, 08:55 PM

Yankee are you serious? That was one of the most arrogant posts I have read. LDR4 has every right to ask the question. Entitlement has nothing to do with it.

NoRegrets · 08-25-2010, 07:59 AM

The tree is question is a Birch and it has moved significantly this year. I believe it will correct itself as it continues to fall. I hope it does not hit anyone.

The benefits to a flybridge boat are many. More living / storage room below, isolation from the engines, personal preference, and visability to name a few. Did I mention personal preference? This is the best reason of all.

Hi BR! I noticed the tree in the early morning as there were no curvatious sights to watch in their sun or swim atire.

Sometimes it is hard to see the forest through the trees (or other tantilizing sights).

jmen24 · 08-25-2010, 08:39 AM

The only thing the owner of that property is going to have to deal with is a stump.

Shore Land Protection has nothing on a tree that presents a hazard to the owners or someone else property. You don't need to wait for a permit.

Even if this was your next door neighbors tree, on their land at the roots and it was leaning over the property line toward your house or outbuilding. You can cut that tree down as is presents a hazard to your property. You do not even need to ask your neighbor first, that would not make for a good relationship with that person, but you could do it that way.

The reason it is taking so long is that the state is involved and they more than likely trying to determine the best course to remove it.

Yankee, I agree with most of what you post, but I believe you are reading to deeply into this one.

Puck · 08-25-2010, 07:02 AM

I'm going to guess that Channel Cottages are rental units, possibly with an offsite owner. If they are not local boaters they might not recognize the issue. Has anyone called Channel Cottages to politely ask if they might be willing to take care of this tree?

TiltonBB · 08-25-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck

I'm going to guess that Channel Cottages are rental units, possibly with an offsite owner. If they are not local boaters they might not recognize the issue. Has anyone called Channel Cottages to politely ask if they might be willing to take care of this tree?

The owners of Channel Cottages and their family live in the house on the property and are there, working, every day. They keep their property in great condition and have made many improvements in the last 10 years. It looks much more neat and well kept since the present owner bought it.

valhala · 08-25-2010, 01:15 PM

In LDR4's defense....
We went through the channel last Saturday in a bow rider and noticed the tree in question. Our thoughts were that the tree looked like it was ready to fall, and we hoped no one would be injured if that were to happen.
Not looking to mess with anyone's property, just our thoughts as we went through the channel.

Puck · 08-25-2010, 01:39 PM

Good to know TiltonBB. Then I guess there is no reason someone couldn't attempt to politely ask them about the tree.

SIKSUKR · 08-25-2010, 03:33 PM

Or maybe I would.There are some members here that need a timeout,sit-in-the-corner,head-on-the-desk-time.

08-24-2010, 08:03 PM	#3
Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 150 Thanks: 19 Thanked 38 Times in 23 Posts	I have seen it Mr. TiltonBB, and it is not a hazard to navigation to 99% of the boats that travel through the channel. I keep my boat down in Lakeport and I go through the Weirs every time that I take my boat out and back in. To force the landowner to take down a tree for such a small number of craft IMO is ludicrous. Start a petition, get the local landowners and citizens to agree with your plight to force the landowner to eliminate this then legally navigation hazard. To call up the NHMP and ask for that tree to be removed in this instance is, again, laughable. __________________ __________________ __________________ So what have we learned in the past two thousand years? "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of Obamunism should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest the Republic become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." . . .Evidently nothing. (Cicero, 55 BC augmented by me, 2010 AD)

08-25-2010, 01:15 PM	#9
valhala Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 10 Times in 5 Posts	Tree in Weirs Channel In LDR4's defense.... We went through the channel last Saturday in a bow rider and noticed the tree in question. Our thoughts were that the tree looked like it was ready to fall, and we hoped no one would be injured if that were to happen. Not looking to mess with anyone's property, just our thoughts as we went through the channel.

08-25-2010, 03:33 PM	#11
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	I wouldn't want Dons job. To the penalty box Or maybe I would.There are some members here that need a timeout,sit-in-the-corner,head-on-the-desk-time. __________________ SIKSUKR

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08-24-2010, 07:20 PM	#2
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Yankee, a little harsh? I think you read a little too much into LDR4's message. I don't see any arrogance, maybe you should re-read his post, or I should.

08-24-2010, 08:55 PM	#4
bobio Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Shore, Ma./ South Down Shores, N.H. Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Yankee are you serious? That was one of the most arrogant posts I have read. LDR4 has every right to ask the question. Entitlement has nothing to do with it.

08-25-2010, 07:59 AM	#5
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	The tree is question is a Birch and it has moved significantly this year. I believe it will correct itself as it continues to fall. I hope it does not hit anyone. The benefits to a flybridge boat are many. More living / storage room below, isolation from the engines, personal preference, and visability to name a few. Did I mention personal preference? This is the best reason of all. Hi BR! I noticed the tree in the early morning as there were no curvatious sights to watch in their sun or swim atire. Sometimes it is hard to see the forest through the trees (or other tantilizing sights).

08-25-2010, 08:39 AM	#6
jmen24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 223 Thanked 319 Times in 181 Posts	The only thing the owner of that property is going to have to deal with is a stump. Shore Land Protection has nothing on a tree that presents a hazard to the owners or someone else property. You don't need to wait for a permit. Even if this was your next door neighbors tree, on their land at the roots and it was leaning over the property line toward your house or outbuilding. You can cut that tree down as is presents a hazard to your property. You do not even need to ask your neighbor first, that would not make for a good relationship with that person, but you could do it that way. The reason it is taking so long is that the state is involved and they more than likely trying to determine the best course to remove it. Yankee, I agree with most of what you post, but I believe you are reading to deeply into this one.

08-25-2010, 07:02 AM	#7
Puck Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central NH Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 78 Times in 20 Posts	I'm going to guess that Channel Cottages are rental units, possibly with an offsite owner. If they are not local boaters they might not recognize the issue. Has anyone called Channel Cottages to politely ask if they might be willing to take care of this tree?

08-25-2010, 01:39 PM	#10
Puck Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central NH Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 78 Times in 20 Posts	Good to know TiltonBB. Then I guess there is no reason someone couldn't attempt to politely ask them about the tree.