Repealing Shoreline Protection maybe?

Bear Islander · 12-06-2010, 11:17 PM

I was in favor of Shoreland Protection in the beginning. However I don't think it's working.

All we have is more bureaucracy, more fees, more baloney. You fill out a bunch of forms and do what you would have done anyway. All the builders know how to work the system. Some just do whatever they want and mostly get away with it. And the rich ignore it and pay the fines.

What is wrong with allowing the local building inspector to enforce things. He is better positioned to know the situation and keeps things in line.

Is the Shoreland being better protected by all this red tape? I don't think so.

hemlock · 12-07-2010, 06:48 AM

As it happens I was considering the two 2007 bills which went into effect in July 2008. HB 383 added the language that the rules were developed from and HB 663 added the permitting and funding mechanism.

"269:5 Positions Established. The department of environmental services may hire up to 6 additional staff positions to implement RSA 483-B and to perform education and outreach. Authorized positions include, at a minimum, 2 environmentalist II and 2 environmental III positions for implementation of RSA 483-B, and one environmentalist II position for education and outreach. Funding for the positions and associated costs shall be drawn from the wetlands and shorelands review fund under RSA 482-A:3, III."

Personally I believe that the methodology of funding the regulators by their regulatory fees creates an incentive for more bureacracy and is bad legislative policy.What is your opinion?

tis · 12-07-2010, 09:08 AM

I have to agree with the last three posts. We have recently been through the process a couple of times and I don't think it is easy or timely. We hired people to get us through it, I would never have tackled it on our own. I think the whole process took longer, costs more, and didn't change anything for the better than what we would have done.

bilproject · 12-07-2010, 11:44 AM

Looks like your new house is coming along nicely. Seems to be a contractor that actually puts some manpower on the job. Missing those cams to check ice conditions to get out to Bear this winter. I too have found the new regs to be easy to manuver through and DES is more than helpful.

Heaven · 12-07-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

What is wrong with allowing the local building inspector to enforce things. He is better positioned to know the situation and keeps things in line.

I don't agree with this statement at all. Most of the building inspectors in the towns that surround the lake do not address (nor do they want to) the landscaping elements that are necessary. The most they will look at is the temporary erosion fencing around the building site. And forget about the enforcement part, I just don't see that happening.

Bear Islander · 12-09-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Heaven

I don't agree with this statement at all. Most of the building inspectors in the towns that surround the lake do not address (nor do they want to) the landscaping elements that are necessary. The most they will look at is the temporary erosion fencing around the building site. And forget about the enforcement part, I just don't see that happening.

Why would the local inspectors take on this task when there is a state agency responsible for this enforcement. Turn reposnsiblity for these areas over to the local inspectors and give them an insentive to do the job. You will then have better and more responsive enforcement. And it will cost a lot less.

Heaven · 12-09-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Why would the local inspectors take on this task when there is a state agency responsible for this enforcement. Turn reposnsiblity for these areas over to the local inspectors and give them an insentive to do the job. You will then have better and more responsive enforcement. And it will cost a lot less.

What incentive would that be?

12-07-2010, 06:48 AM	#2
hemlock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 66 Thanks: 1 Thanked 43 Times in 20 Posts	shoreland As it happens I was considering the two 2007 bills which went into effect in July 2008. HB 383 added the language that the rules were developed from and HB 663 added the permitting and funding mechanism. "269:5 Positions Established. The department of environmental services may hire up to 6 additional staff positions to implement RSA 483-B and to perform education and outreach. Authorized positions include, at a minimum, 2 environmentalist II and 2 environmental III positions for implementation of RSA 483-B, and one environmentalist II position for education and outreach. Funding for the positions and associated costs shall be drawn from the wetlands and shorelands review fund under RSA 482-A:3, III." Personally I believe that the methodology of funding the regulators by their regulatory fees creates an incentive for more bureacracy and is bad legislative policy.What is your opinion?

12-07-2010, 11:44 AM	#4
bilproject Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bear Island/Fort Myers, Fla Posts: 231 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1 Thanked 59 Times in 41 Posts	How's the house coming P.I.G Looks like your new house is coming along nicely. Seems to be a contractor that actually puts some manpower on the job. Missing those cams to check ice conditions to get out to Bear this winter. I too have found the new regs to be easy to manuver through and DES is more than helpful.

12-06-2010, 11:17 PM	#1
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	I was in favor of Shoreland Protection in the beginning. However I don't think it's working. All we have is more bureaucracy, more fees, more baloney. You fill out a bunch of forms and do what you would have done anyway. All the builders know how to work the system. Some just do whatever they want and mostly get away with it. And the rich ignore it and pay the fines. What is wrong with allowing the local building inspector to enforce things. He is better positioned to know the situation and keeps things in line. Is the Shoreland being better protected by all this red tape? I don't think so.

12-07-2010, 09:08 AM	#3
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,830 Thanks: 764 Thanked 1,474 Times in 1,029 Posts	I have to agree with the last three posts. We have recently been through the process a couple of times and I don't think it is easy or timely. We hired people to get us through it, I would never have tackled it on our own. I think the whole process took longer, costs more, and didn't change anything for the better than what we would have done.