It Figures....

[VtSteve]

As I recall, he's pretty famous for having O'Douls and any other non-alcoholic beverage. Whichever troll you are Melvin, you really barked up the wrong tree there. You have to be quite a person to put something like that in a paper.

And for instigators worried about who's being an adult, where are you now?

Relentless personal attacks and lies, quite a group you have there. It's enough to make anyone wonder if anything you guys say has any degree of truth to it. Amazingly weak cases when you have to resort to things like that, simply amazing.

[ishoot308]

Well Melvin, all I can say is I invited the President of SBONH over to my camp on Winni for a beer and a meet and greet last year. He informed me at that time that he never drinks anything not even one beer before or while operating his boat but would gladly have an O'douls (non alcoholic) if I had any. That meeting never happened because of the weather that day but I can assure you he was dead serious about no alcohol!

Your post is B.S. and is only here to stir the pot. Sorry, but I'm not biting. I only posted this because I know the facts not the fiction like you!

Dan

[hazelnut]

Add me to the list of people that has offered OCD a beer at my camp on Cow Island and he flat out refused stating:

"It's O'Douls for me when I'm behind the wheel of anything, There's plenty of time for a beer after the OCDACTIVE is tied up safely at my dock."

Scott is EXTREMELY sensitive to this matter and has a self enforced ZERO tolerance policy when it comes to alcohol and operation of his vessel. What a sad, sad state of affairs that these people have slumped to this level.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Add me to the list of people that has offered OCD a beer at my camp on Cow Island and he flat out refused stating:

"It's O'Douls for me when I'm behind the wheel of anything, There's plenty of time for a beer after the OCDACTIVE is tied up safely at my dock."

Scott is EXTREMELY sensitive to this matter and has a self enforced ZERO tolerance policy when it comes to alcohol and operation of his vessel. What a sad, sad state of affairs that these people have slumped to this level.

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Well Melvin, all I can say is I invited the President of SBONH over to my camp on Winni for a beer and a meet and greet last year. He informed me at that time that he never drinks anything not even one beer before or while operating his boat but would gladly have an O'douls (non alcoholic) if I had any. That meeting never happened because of the weather that day but I can assure you he was dead serious about no alcohol!

Your post is B.S. and is only here to stir the pot. Sorry, but I'm not biting. I only posted this because I know the facts not the fiction like you!

Dan

Originally Posted by VtSteve

As I recall, he's pretty famous for having O'Douls and any other non-alcoholic beverage. Whichever troll you are Melvin, you really barked up the wrong tree there. You have to be quite a person to put something like that in a paper.

And for instigators worried about who's being an adult, where are you now?

Relentless personal attacks and lies, quite a group you have there. It's enough to make anyone wonder if anything you guys say has any degree of truth to it. Amazingly weak cases when you have to resort to things like that, simply amazing.

You guys are something. Especially given the many angry diatribes from HN and VtS about peoples' dishonesty, I find this last post from Rusty especially interesting. And it sounds like OCD is on a real tear going through all these old posts. Is Tom Eaton helping? Perhaps evidence destruction hasn't been seen on this scale since Watergate.

NHRBA/Erica........gone
SBONH/OCD........going.......going........

[Dhuberty24]

Do you guys have anything better to do? Why don't you leave your real names, or name so people can go spy on you. Seriously you people need to get life.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by Dhuberty24

Do you guys have anything better to do? Why don't you leave your real names, or name so people can go spy on you. Seriously you people need to get life.

"Seriously" Dhuberty24?......As far as I'm concerned the president of The Safe Boaters of New Hampshire (SBONH) should be squeaky clean.

I would think that you would be disgusted that all this information has been found about the leader of such an important function.

Drinking and boating do not mix and it really doesn't matter that it happened in 2006 or 2010.

[Pineedles]

The point that is missed by all, is that OCD reveals his real name! elchase, bearmooseisland, sunsetonthedock, all of the made up names that Don allows to be posted, and so many others that launch personal attacks never give their real names. I think they may have some very embarrasing stories. lawn pyscho eluded to some that he has. I will be very curious as to what you all have hidden from us will reveal.

[VtSteve]

Perhaps Rusty would like to revisit some of the testimony in the Littlefield case about drinking to excess at the Meredith Town Docks?

Probably not?

There's a nasty little fact not going on here. Scott is 100% alcohol free on boats and in vehicles.

As far as I know, he's never lied about someone sending him a threatening PM, as some here have. As far as I know, he's not lied about people saying things they haven't, again, as some of the same people here have.

If everyone knew the stories behind all of these people they'd laugh hysterically. One person that's really changed is the one that wanted everything to be real cute and friendly. Now he joins in with liars. Go figure. But I always knew he didn't have the cojones to stick to his own mind anyway.

Have fun being led by the ring in your nose guys.

[NoBozo]

In my estimation as an observer: There are TWO individuals..Very Revered Members..who are the owners of multiple screen names that are driving this kind of thread just for SPORT. Just Sayin. NB

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by NoBozo

In my estimation as an observer: There are TWO individuals..Very Revered Members..who are the owners of multiple screen names that are driving this kind of thread just for SPORT. Just Sayin. NB

No....there is just one individual. His name is Sunset on the Rusty Yosemite Turtle who Chases over the many Acres off Bear Island and Skips across Melvin Bay. There, isn't it much easier on the psyche thinking there is just one person in opposition to the speeed limit?

[chipj29]

Hi melvin,
Just one question: Do you feel it is OK to drink alcohol (and possibly become impaired) when you are not driving?

[gtagrip]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Hi melvin,
Just one question: Do you feel it is OK to drink alcohol (and possibly become impaired) when you are not driving?

I think Melvin was impaired when he posted!

All I can say again is..............figures!

[melvin bay]

when I logged on this am to this site I was a bit surprised to see so much xmas venom. I received a few emails since yesterday that answered some of yesterdays questions....see below. Some of the ?s were also answered in the UL article/comments yesterday.

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Same here im not going to let this stop me from enjoying the wide open brods. It felt good to get out there and see no boats in sight and double the limit lol.... Im sure if your not stupid about the places you open her up you will never get a ticket.

Agreed.. I almost doubled it as well....

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Excursion writes on offshore only: Theres no tylenol at this party, we have a saying Cant drink all day if you dont start in the morning to which OCDACTIVE replies "Very true..I had started at noon and went to shots around 8 PM...then forgot to eat...I know better than that". R Addiction responds "I never forget to eat! Shots!!!!! Gluton for punishment! OCDACTIVE replies to this "No kidding..I have enough experience to know that as well..But you know one thing leads to another, things get a little crazy, you become forgetful...wake up on the floor in the dogs bed with a raging headache..LOL...
I assume many people will feel the same way next Sunday!"

Some of the posts in the UL indicate that these posts were edited("enhanced" as one person noted) shortly after they appeared in the UL or Conc. Monitor and that seemed to them rather spineless in that the head of SBONH needs to own up to his remarks. I have to agree. The cover up looks worse, that is editing the posts nearly a year later. Can't seem to cover up the fact that they were edited 2 days ago according to the UL posts.
I'm told that the actual copies of these offshoreonly forums will be or have been sent to some of our reps in concord. One has to thjink that reps like Packard, Boutin, Forsythe, Hikel will consider SBONH to be a political liability after seeing this and the deja vu to NHRBA will seem apparent to some.
The fact that these quotes have not been addressed by SBONH's prez (not to mention some of the responses to yesterdays post by me)makes me think that any sympathy I might have had for the group has evaporated. I have to agree that many here wouldn't recognize reasonable and prudent if it hit them over the head. As was said in the UL, mature people don't brag about their excessive alcohol intake (and moderate their alcohol intake as well). I'm not letting this group dictate to me what is appropriate behavior/laws for the lake.

[lawn psycho]

You know, I read some of these posts but stay away from the debates as it's endless and unproductive.

My boat can only do 47 MPH on a really good day over a waterfall so I'm not impacted.

However, I'd like to see these two sides have to sit across a table face to face and have these discussions. The venom spewed by both sides makes it impossible to have meaningful debate. It's gone so far beyond civil discussion that either side is willing to win at any cost.

I will also state that EVERYTHING that both sides posts on the web is fair game. That means that WinnFabs can have their feet put to the fire for misleading statements as well. Be careful what you wish for

[WeirsBeachBoater]

I have been a member of this forum for a long time. I used to post often, but now I don't. I still actively read posts, and enjoy many of the historical and informative posts. However, for years this Speed Limit Forum has poisoned this wonderful forum, it has discouraged many great forum members from being a part of winni.com. I was encouraged when this forum was shut down, and then saddened when it reappeared. Now it has become more and more disgusting. No matter what side of the issue you are on, the attacks on here are beyond the lowest level I have seen yet. Seriously, Melvin Bay, Six posts, 3 of which are nothing more than political muckraking. Before I posted today, I contacted people who know OCDACTIVE, and know of this OSO forum where these came from. I found out these quotes being used are taken out of context, and are from a Satirical conversation between two friends on a forum over a year ago. I have met OCDACTIVE on several occasions, and in no way is he the person you are trying to make him. No matter what opinion anyone has on this speed issue, this level that speed limit opponents are at is a new ALL TIME LOW. If you are that passionate about the issue, why not put your energy into something other than anonymous posting on a forum? Run for office, be the change, if that is what is important to you! That's all, down from the soapbox. Merry Christmas!

[DEJ]

When some people cannot win an arguement they go personal.
melvin bay, you should be ashamed of yourself. Taking some old posts from a web forum, snipping them up so they read out of context is not very honest now is it. Anyone who knows the president of SBONH, KNOWS that he does not drink and drive ANYTHING, not ever, not even maybe. IT's NEVER. I am shocked these personal attacks are allowed on this forum. I can only hope your post will be sent to ALL our reps in Concord who will quickly determine for themselves who has credibility and who does not, it is certainly not you melvin bay.

[classic22]

Originally Posted by melvin bay

when I logged on this am to this site I was a bit surprised to see so much xmas venom. I received a few emails since yesterday that answered some of yesterdays questions....see below. Some of the ?s were also answered in the UL article/comments yesterday.

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Same here im not going to let this stop me from enjoying the wide open brods. It felt good to get out there and see no boats in sight and double the limit lol.... Im sure if your not stupid about the places you open her up you will never get a ticket.

Agreed.. I almost doubled it as well....

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Others which I will copy to save space:
Excursion writes on offshore only: Theres no tylenol at this party, we have a saying Cant drink all day if you dont start in the morning to which OCDACTIVE replies "Very true..I had started at noon and went to shots around 8 PM...then forgot to eat...I know better than that". R Addiction responds "I never forget to eat! Shots!!!!! Gluton for punishment! OCDACTIVE replies to this "No kidding..I have enough experience to know that as well..But you know one thing leads to another, things get a little crazy, you become forgetful...wake up on the floor in the dogs bed with a raging headache..LOL...
I assume many people will feel the same way next Sunday!"

Some of the posts in the UL indicate that these posts were edited("enhanced" as one person noted) shortly after they appeared in the UL or Conc. Monitor and that seemed to them rather spineless in that the head of SBONH needs to own up to his remarks. I have to agree. The cover up looks worse, that is editing the posts nearly a year later. Can't seem to cover up the fact that they were edited 2 days ago according to the UL posts.
I'm told that the actual copies of these offshoreonly forums will be or have been sent to some of our reps in concord. One has to thjink that reps like Packard, Boutin, Forsythe, Hikel will consider SBONH to be a political liability after seeing this and the deja vu to NHRBA will seem apparent to some.
The fact that these quotes have not been addressed by SBONH's prez (not to mention some of the responses to yesterdays post by me)makes me think that any sympathy I might have had for the group has evaporated. I have to agree that many here wouldn't recognize reasonable and prudent if it hit them over the head. As was said in the UL, mature people don't brag about their excessive alcohol intake (and moderate their alcohol intake as well). I'm not letting this group dictate to me what is appropriate behavior/laws for the lake.

When people cant win an arguement based on facts,they go personal in an attempt to discredit the message. The fact is the the speed limit people are running scared, and they will do anything in there attempt to derail SBONH and its inititives. Someone must have little to do to go drag up some really old posts from another web site,take them out of context, post them all over this site and others as well as in the comments section of online newspaper articles that have nothing to do with the president of SBONH. I can assure you that the president of SBONH does not drink and drive anything. PERIOD. Now if you would like to get back on track and debate facts about the lake and what is or is not a problem on the lake, we are all for it, but please leave the personal attacks at home, it just makes you look foolish.

[hazelnut]

I am shocked and saddened. I run a forum myself and I'd NEVER let stuff like this stay up for more than 15 seconds. This is nothing other than a direct personal attack. I can assure you many of Scott's friends are encouraging him to contact an attorney. After speaking with Scott he himself is downplaying it and has basically said it doesn't deserve one second of his attention. His thought was that smart people would see it for what it was. A satirical conversation between friends taken out of context by an individual that is scared of an organization that is actually doing great things for the lakes region.

melvin bay you are the worst kind of person. A sideline sitter that does nothing but defame and defile good people because you have nothing useful to say.

I don't even know why I care so much, Scott is a big boy and he can handle this himself. I am pissed off because this tactic is so disgusting. You are not the first person on that side of the argument to go personal, to use information garnered from this site or others and smear them. It has happened to me. We do not hide behind random screen names changed once a month. We have had the same screen names for 10+ years and have posted personal information, shared real experiences on the lake and DON lets that info get used against us. I've had to do the same in some arguments because I can't just wait around and see if Don would actually apply forum rules.

So this is probably one of my last posts ever because I'll be banned for criticizing Don. It was worth it to prove my point that this type of Forum behavior should not be allowed to go on any more. It strikes a chord with me because a few members were allowed to get away with it against me.

Nice work melvin bay, mission accomplished. You have tried to smear someones good name and you have pissed me off enough to call out the webmaster. Two birds with one stone, nice work.

What I don't understand is why is it that the long standing members that have contributed to thousands of discussions for 10+ years, that have PATRONIZED your sponsors and even donated $$$ to your site get ZERO respect and are subjected garbage spewed about them from new members with 2 posts under their belt?

I seriously think that this site needs tighter restrictions on new membership. Members that join just to flame a restaurant or a particular person in their first posts should be permanently banned. Who could argue with that?

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

So this is probably one of my last posts ever because I'll be banned for criticizing Don. It was worth it to prove my point that this type of Forum behavior should not be allowed to go on any more. It strikes a chord with me because a few members were allowed to get away with it against me.

I think Don did his part when he separated this Forum from the other ones and said this:

"This separated forum is provided for the discussion and debate about controversial issues that effect the Lakes Region but are discouraged from the other more friendly areas. Debates about speed limits, no-wake zones, noise and general complaints and griping belong here. Threads in other forums that turn into debates, arguments or bickering will be moved here. Warning! Avoid this area if you don't like debates and arguments!"

IMHO this is not the Forum to be in if you have thin skin.

[jarhead0341]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

I think Don did his part when he separated this Forum from the other ones and said this:

"This separated forum is provided for the discussion and debate about controversial issues that effect the Lakes Region but are discouraged from the other more friendly areas. Debates about speed limits, no-wake zones, noise and general complaints and griping belong here. Threads in other forums that turn into debates, arguments or bickering will be moved here. Warning! Avoid this area if you don't like debates and arguments!"

IMHO this is not the Forum to be in if you have thin skin.

i have been reading this forum and using the links section for many years but have very seldom posted and have even made a statement about this being a sub forum to someone but no where in Dons notes about it does it say you can personaly attack someones character

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

IMHO this is not the Forum to be in if you have thin skin.

However, I don't believe the this or any other forum was designed to be a free for all. Posting from another forum out of context adds nothing to the speed limit debate.

Is this about character assassination or or debating a lake topic? Is the speed limit really that important? He should be careful because now the laser is pointed on him so people will be trying to dredge up stuff about him.

I know in Lewsiton, ME they have a local paper requiring that your real name be posted to online comments. That is certainly one way to skin the cat with unsubstantiated posts/slander.

[Seaplane Pilot]

I would not be the least bit surprised if melvin bay and another famous speed limit poster are one in the same. There are several similarities in the context and verbage of these two posters.

Anyone with half a brain can see through this garbage. Keep digging the hole - you'll soon need a ladder to get out.

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I would not be the least bit surprised if melvin bay and another famous speed limit poster are one in the same. There are several similarities in the context and verbage of these two posters.

Anyone with half a brain can see through this garbage. Keep digging the hole - you'll soon need a ladder to get out.

I for one have no problem calling out this obsessed individual who feels that he needs to hide behind his numerous and thinly veiled nom de guerres: elchase/ed chase/sunset on the dock/c chase/melvin bay. One can only wonder what pseudonym that he will come up with next.

I for one hope that he keeps up with this nonsense as it impunes the very argument that he is attempting to make.

[Bearislandmoose]

Only on this forum can a law-abiding person get stoned to death for pointing out the blatant irony of a group of immature cowboys hiding behind the mask of a "safety" organization, and pointing out the the deceitful dishonesty of the leader of this gang, who is actively attempting to influence our state legislators, being an admitted scofflaw and boozer. Only on this forum do you find people who would defend the criminals and persecute the good guys. This forum is indeed a complete disgrace and an insulting embarrassment to the good people of the Lakes Region.

And I'm really enjoying your cartoon. It shows perfectly what a desperate and pathetic group you are. Needing to resort to producing a cartoon to show what reality cannot, and having imaginary cartoon dads complaining that they can't to take their families out in their bowriders anymore because of an evil 45MPH speed limit is the GFBL equivalent of a Frosty the Snowman Christmas Special.

I just pray that viewers from outside the Lakes Region (if there are any that would sit through this garbage) appreciate that this forum is not representative of the good people of this area. Unlike the group you find here, we are a law-abiding and passive bunch who treat others with respect. This forum is a magnet for the worst of people, but is shunned by regular locals, for the obvious reasons.

Merry Christmas

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Bearislandmoose

Unlike the group you find here, we are a law-abiding and passive bunch who treat others with respect.

You start your diatribe by calling me (I am only speaking for myself here and not SBONH or any one else in the organization) an immature cowboy and then have the audacity to call yourself passive and respectful? Surely you jest.

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by Bearislandmoose

Only on this forum can a law-abiding person get stoned to death for pointing out the blatant irony of a group of immature cowboys hiding behind the mask of a "safety" organization, and pointing out the the deceitful dishonesty of the leader of this gang, who is actively attempting to influence our state legislators, being an admitted scofflaw and boozer. Only on this forum do you find people who would defend the criminals and persecute the good guys. This forum is indeed a complete disgrace and an insulting embarrassment to the good people of the Lakes Region.

And I'm really enjoying your cartoon. It shows perfectly what a desperate and pathetic group you are. Needing to resort to producing a cartoon to show what reality cannot, and having imaginary cartoon dads complaining that they can't to take their families out in their bowriders anymore because of an evil 45MPH speed limit is the GFBL equivalent of a Frosty the Snowman Christmas Special.

I just pray that viewers from outside the Lakes Region (if there are any that would sit through this garbage) appreciate that this forum is not representative of the good people of this area. Unlike the group you find here, we are a law-abiding and passive bunch who treat others with respect. This forum is a magnet for the worst of people, but is shunned by regular locals, for the obvious reasons.

Merry Christmas

Here's the problem with a post like this. In the past you refer to anyone who does not agree with you as a cowboy, criminal, white-trash, drunk, etc. You have (albeit under another user name) personally insulted me when you refer to those who would dare anchor at a sand bar as white trash and other colorful names. Someday you might have the gall to actually stop by my boat and realize that every adult on the boat is a tad more educated than you may think

Dishonesty? I have the entire WinnFabs site copied for records. Do you want me to start posting the untruths? I went there trying to get educated on the SL issue and came away ready to vomit. It's also no wonder you want people outside the lake region (who don't own boats) to see this issue and take your side.

I know it pains you to think that people enjoying a relaxing day on the water aren't some faceless people just out trying to stomp on your piece of heaven. How about this, not everyone drinks out on the water either. I invite you anytime to come on board my boat and share some true fresh squeezed lemonade that this southern boy can make. It might upset you further to find out that's the strongest thing you'll find in the cooler.

When you keep spitting venom like this in your anger, you alienate EVERYONE.

The reality if that SBONH gives a say to both sides of the boating arguments, not just some gray-haired retirees who having a lot of time on their hands and can spend countless hours driving to and from Concord to attend hearings while the rest of us are going to work. It truly is time some of the restrictions be reevaluated

I will even go sar far as to say some of the rafting restrictions may broach into the realm of being unconstitutional. MP would have a REALLLLLLY hard time with this if challenged in court given the way rafting rules have been implemented haphazardly across the lake and prevent freedom of assembly. Safety? They have no chance at using that argument. I'll be posting about this in another thread.

The problem you have is the SL actually agitated enough people to start looking at ALL the restrictions placed on NH lakes. You wanted to get attention now you have it. Congratulations.

Any by the way, all these letters and posts you keep repeating don't amount to squat. Maybe you should consider waiting until the public hearings. I'd love for you to say the these types of things at the hearing as in a public hearing you would turn off everyone in the room. I can't wait to get my turn in Concord.

[Yankee]

Well said LP!

[hazelnut]

This thread has caused me to do quite a bit of reflecting. It really saddens me that someone like BIM, EL, Melvn Bay or whatever the nom de plume of the week actually exists.

Here is the reality. Most of us (SBONH members, Boaters, Casual Observers, etc.) have lives. Very, very busy lives. Luckily I have a few days off now to relax. However, most of the people in the organization have full time jobs, a wife, kids, etc. So between work, athletic events, social events, heck just taking care of the house etc. we are very busy people. The Speed Limit ranks about 100th or so on my list of cares. Every once in a while I check into the debate and see that some people are so obsessed and so consumed that they post horrific personal attacks about people that they do not even know! That is just so sad.

I have noticed that some people will stop at nothing to try and prove a point. That includes direct slanderous remarks and dredging up info and parsing it together to assail someones character. What shame. Look in the mirror at yourself. You claim that you hope the readers of this site look at you as the real representative of the area. The horror, I shudder at that thought. I truly hope that people outside the area that have read those awful Letters to the Editor and read the drivel and nasty commentary by you and appreciate you for who you are; An angry old man with hours and hours of time on his hands with nothing better to do than obsess over one issue so much so that he will turn his back on his fellow human being and drag out mud and sling it around like a 3 year old in a dirt pit. You must have grandchildren? Children? Why not go enjoy them and have some fun and forget about all of this for a while. The legislative session will give everyone ample time to talk all of this through.

For you to compare me truthfully calling out liars and slimy sneaks who try to legislate behind closed door just shows how delusional you truly are. You really do not have any idea how hypocritical you are do you? I truly feel like you are so consumed with this issue to the point where it has become an unhealthy obsession for you. I am not kidding when I tell you that therapy should be in order.

The reality is that my interests are so wide and varied, skiing, snowmobiling, computers, technology, sports, and of course boating. The Speed Limit thing does not even crack the top 100 most of the time. It's a fun discussion and it gets crazy but wow, you sir scare me with your obsession. I wonder if folks around you roll their eyes at you because I can only assume that is all you talk about. Some good advice was given to you a few posts back. Take a deep breath, go for a walk, stop and smell the roses, Speed Limit or No Speed Limit, life will go on.

I hope someday you are able to relax about all of this. I really hope you learn to stop trying to ruin the lives of people that do not agree with you. You are no better than those awful people that make those nasty mud slinging campaign ads that we all hate. I guess it is a good way to try to sway the argument when you have no substance. It's just sad though.

Well I am off to finish prepping for the storm. Snowblower is all gassed up. I have to also start cleaning up the mess in the living room, kids toys, wrapping paper, boxes, clothes, etc scattered all about the room.


Happy Holidays and A Happy Healthy Calm New Year to EVERYONE! (Even you)

[melvin bay]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

they post horrific personal attacks about people that they do not even know!

Quoting someone verbatum is not a horrific personal attack. And sadly the world is full of examples of hypocrites who say one thing in public but are outed by words they thought no one was listening to.

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by melvin bay

Quoting someone verbatum is not a horrific personal attack. And sadly the world is full of examples of hypocrites who say one thing in public but are outed by words they thought no one was listening to.

el moose chaser from Melvin Bay,

You have NOT been quoting verbatum. You are cutting out snippets of conversation from another website, stringing them together and posing them as facts.

That's dishonest, deceitful, and misrepesents the facts. That's also called lying.

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IS this the face of reasonable and prudent? You decide after reading these words brought to you by the head of a "safe" boaters organization
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This is not someone who will dictate to me what is proper for our lakes. And our state reps. and senators no doubt agree (especially after reading the above). Some people cannot be trusted to decide for themselves what is reasonable and prudent and this is why the new speed limit will not be overturned (or "enhanced")

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by melvin bay

IS this the face of reasonable and prudent? You decide after reading these words brought to you by the head of a "safe" boaters organization
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This is not someone who will dictate to me what is proper for our lakes. And our state reps. and senators no doubt agree (especially after reading the above). Some people cannot be trusted to decide for themselves what is reasonable and prudent and this is why the new speed limit will not be overturned (or "enhanced")

I served in the Navy on Fast Attack submarines (nuke electrician). I have in my days from the past been falling down drunk at New Year's parties, etc. Never have I been behind the wheel of a motorized vehicle while intoxicated. Beyond the Navy I have two college degrees and am a professional with a family. Are you going to call me a cowboy or other insult?

That post is from 5 years ago and appears was internet banter. Notice that operating his boat was not part of the equation but you seemed to not acknowledge that part. I'm sure there are off the record comments you've made about the speed limit that you'd rather not be made public. You're losing it Warren and remember: "Stress kills".

[Bearislandmoose]

Hazelnut,
Your problem is not that someone else is slinging mud, your problem is that someone is finally slinging it back. SOBNH has been outed for the go-fast club that it really is, led by the drinking scofflaw that he really is. And that really stings. You guys tried sooo hard to paint a face of legitimacy on the group...tagging along with the Power Squadron and everything...all for naught...it didn't work. Smelly feet still stink through a clean sock.

While you guys are watching cartoons and getting some amusement, the good people of NH are reading their Sunday papers and getting an education;

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../-1/FOSOPINION

Election not a mandate to repeal speed limits

Sunday, December 26, 2010

A bill has been introduced to repeal our boating speed limit and replace it with the vague notion that boaters need only limit their speeds to what they themselves feel is "reasonable and prudent"... similar to the Coast Guard law used on the open seas.

The bill is sponsored by legislators from southern New Hampshire. Not a single legislator from the Lakes Region, where the speed limit has been so popular, agreed to sign on.

This bill was submitted at the prompting of a group having the audacity to name themselves "Safe Boaters," an apparent reorganization of the go-fast-be-loud crowd formerly calling themselves "Recreational Boaters." What will they call themselves next? When will they admit that they are really just "Fast Loud Selfish Boaters"? I guess that moniker wouldn't fit on the bumper stickers.

The concept of allowing boaters to decide for themselves how fast is "reasonable and prudent" is the only thing that can work on the ocean. Enforcing a set speed limit on the open seas is impossible. The best that can be done there is to have a law that can be applied after the fact, to decide whether an accident was the result of a crime.

But Lake Winnipesaukee is not the ocean. It is a lake. Speed limits are enforceable here, they are working, and people have been obeying them. Allowing "thunder boaters" to decide for themselves how fast is "reasonable and prudent" is not necessary here, we can do much better than that, and we have been doing much better than that for three years. And with all the real issues our legislature has to worry about right now, is this something they should be mucking around with anyway?

Two years of a 45-mph speed limit law after a one year Marine Patrol "informal test" have proven that those very few very aggressive cowboys who caused so much mayhem respect a black and White speed limit. Only twenty-some speeding tickets had to be issued over this period, proving what those that use the lake saw, what most people expected... how much more civil and "recreational" boating on Winnipesaukee was for all once again, and how people obey laws that are clear and unambiguous. Why even think about changing that? Especially with all the serious issues our legislators need to address.

The problem on Winnipesaukee has never been the responsible boater behind the helm of a fast boat... it has been the irresponsible cowboy who always wants to see what he can get away with. Cowboys are just big kids. Kids need to be given curfews and defined limits ... 9 o'clock ... four cookies ... take a bath. They cannot decide from themselves. They are not mature or responsible enough.

Telling a cowboy "Just go as fast as you feel is reasonable and prudent" is like telling a kid to just eat as much candy as he thinks he should. Kids have a different idea of what "reasonable and prudent" means than we do, because we have adult minds, and they have adolescent minds.

Last summer, boating traffic on Winnipesaukee was as balanced and civil as we have seen for over 20 years. All of us got to enjoy our boats and enjoy the lake. Kids camps were sailing and canoeing again. Dealers were selling canoes and kayaks again. Waterside restaurants were struggling to find dock space again. Sailing clubs held regattas and sailing schools again. Rowers in skulls were out there in numbers never seen before. Fathers were taking their sons fishing again. And off-shore boats were still out there, going 45 mph, which any boater knows is pretty darn fast on the water. No longer were the majority of family boaters being ruled by the aggressive boating of such a small minority, so why even think about going back? Especially with the real problems New Hampshire has for our elected officials to fix.

The election of Republicans to Concord in such a landslide was not a mandate to repeal such a functional law that even Republican voters favor so overwhelmingly. We elected Republicans to return fiscal responsibility to New Hampshire, not to return "thunder boating" to Winnipesaukee. Cowboys behind the wheels of thunder boats are not the "Republican" standard. That standard is embodied in the father who wants to get behind the wheel of his runabout to take his family for an ice cream, or take his kids tubing. Now he can do that again. Please don't go back to the mayhem that so many hundreds of people described...the mayhem that the current law virtually eliminated.

Those who want Coast Guard rules should go to the ocean. Besides, there are important matters facing New Hampshire right now, and unleashing the "thunder boaters" to terrorize us once again is not one of them. That is not what we voted for.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by lawn psycho

That post is from 5 years ago and appears was internet banter.

No Sir, it was from last year...even I got a copy of that one...here's my copy and I don't believe this one has yet to be edited so you could even look it up yourself. And I hope the kids were with Grandma on June 25, 2009.


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[melvin bay]

The reading public has a right to know what a public figure, Mr. Reasonable and prudent, is saying when he thinks no one is watching. And it's not character assasination when it's one's own words (in context by the way) that are being used...it's character suicide. No one would be concerned about being sued for quoting a public figures words and I imagine OCD's lawyer would fall out of his chair laughing, esp. given that OCD attempted a coverup shortly after the info became public...even he won't stand behind what he said. And I repeat...the public gets to (and should) decidewhether breaking the law ("doubling it") is reasonable and prudent. Same goes for the bragging/banter about excessive drinking(whether behind the wheel or not). Same for sexist comments about how the "stock" at Hooters looks better after several hours of drinking(and as was said yesterday, good luck getting the female legislators on your side after that one!) And it's not out of context when the quote follows what the quote was in response to, as seen in my last post. Go read the posts on offshore and decide for yourselves what is the context. Oh I forgot, they've been edited ("enhanced").
One only needs to read the 1st post under "THis forum is a disgrace" to see the kind of below the belt punches delived by some of the Speed limit opposition...calling people slimes, liars etc....now your talking about stuff where legal action might be warranted. And it seems that a certain patriots fan is at the top of the list so why all the whining. And you want tighter restrictions on this forum and restricting who can join...wow. I joined this forum partly because the double standard that some of you hold up to your opponents and how certain positions are attempted to be drowned out by your cries of liars or slimes. Most people can see that you purposefully try to humiliate your opposition to get them off the forum. Then when you are quoted (in context) you go balistic. You can dish it out but you can't take it...period. But the public has a right to know this stuff and many I understand are outraged about the underhanded tactics of calling this bill an enhancement ...totally dishonest as per Skip's post. Doublespeak. Now add some of the quotes by the supreme leader and u get the picture. One has to love all the baloney of some of you people spew about the "dishonesty of the opposition". I would love to see an article in one of the NH papers about what lies below the surface with your group. And given some of the threatening intimidating talk from some of the people here one has to appreciate why some choose not to reveal too much personal info about themselves.

[DEJ]

From a prior post:

"After speaking with Scott he himself is downplaying it and has basically said it doesn't deserve one second of his attention. His thought was that smart people would see it for what it was."

Well said and this shows his true character.

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by melvin bay

The reading public has a right to know what a public figure, Mr. Reasonable and prudent, is saying when he thinks no one is watching. And it's not character assasination when it's one's own words (in context by the way) that are being used...it's character suicide. No one would be concerned about being sued for quoting a public figures words and I imagine OCD's lawyer would fall out of his chair laughing, esp. given that OCD attempted a coverup shortly after the info became public...even he won't stand behind what he said. And I repeat...the public gets to (and should) decidewhether breaking the law ("doubling it") is reasonable and prudent. Same goes for the bragging/banter about excessive drinking(whether behind the wheel or not). Same for sexist comments about how the "stock" at Hooters looks better after several hours of drinking(and as was said yesterday, good luck getting the female legislators on your side after that one!) And it's not out of context when the quote follows what the quote was in response to, as seen in my last post. Go read the posts on offshore and decide for yourselves what is the context. Oh I forgot, they've been edited ("enhanced").
One only needs to read the 1st post under "THis forum is a disgrace" to see the kind of below the belt punches delived by some of the Speed limit opposition...calling people slimes, liars etc....now your talking about stuff where legal action might be warranted. And it seems that a certain patriots fan is at the top of the list so why all the whining. And you want tighter restrictions on this forum and restricting who can join...wow. I joined this forum partly because the double standard that some of you hold up to your opponents and how certain positions are attempted to be drowned out by your cries of liars or slimes. Most people can see that you purposefully try to humiliate your opposition to get them off the forum. Then when you are quoted (in context) you go balistic. You can dish it out but you can't take it...period. But the public has a right to know this stuff and many I understand are outraged about the underhanded tactics of calling this bill an enhancement ...totally dishonest as per Skip's post. Doublespeak. Now add some of the quotes by the supreme leader and u get the picture. One has to love all the baloney of some of you people spew about the "dishonesty of the opposition". I would love to see an article in one of the NH papers about what lies below the surface with your group. And given some of the threatening intimidating talk from some of the people here one has to appreciate why some choose not to reveal too much personal info about themselves.

My guess is your cortisol levels are through the roof. Melvinwhoeveryou are here is a little hint into one of life's secrets: With or without a speed limit the lake won't change. Take a deep breath and read that last sentence as it's 100% the truth.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by melvin bay

And given some of the threatening intimidating talk from some of the people here one has to appreciate why some choose not to reveal too much personal info about themselves.

I remember, not so long ago, that one of you wonderful people told the world that I had sent a threatening PM to someone, and was a Huge gun collector. Obviously, it wasn't true, I have never owned any guns, nor ever have I sent a threatening PM to anyone. But you guys threw it out there, just like the above rubbish.

MOST board monitors know the difference between factual statements, hyperbole, and outright lies and threats. Some, sadly, do not. We don't even know who you are MB, but you sound a lot like other posters of your ilk, and apparently, you've been blessed with this ability. The utter irony is this. Don and his pet didn't like the harsh rhetoric and debates, but he did set up this place. APS went completely ape that someone found out someone's real name, another irony, that person uses about four different names in papers and here. But I digress.

This isn't about the speed limit anymore, and hasn't been for some time. It's about power, and immature people. MB, you about take the prize. But others have shown their true character here, including the moderator himself.

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by melvin bay

I joined this forum partly because the double standard that some of you hold up to your opponents and how certain positions are attempted to be drowned out by your cries of liars or slimes.

Please elaborate which time you joined, and under what alias. Inquiring minds would like to know.