Help Ward Bird of Moultonborough

tis · 02-01-2011, 05:40 PM

I just heard he was granted a pardon hearing and the Governor will not stand in the way. Does anyone know more?

Jonas Pilot · 02-01-2011, 06:37 PM

Wmur reported there is a planned one hour meeting tomorrow to make the final decision.

Pineedles · 02-01-2011, 07:54 PM

OMG, this man may be with his family soon. Thank you.

MarkinNH · 02-01-2011, 08:47 PM

Here are some comments taken from one of Wards Facebook pages on todays pardon hearing.

"Pardon hearing went well. Good questions asked, good responses heard. Harris didn't show. No surprise. Beyond the current county prosecutor and the advocate, there were no voices in opposition to those in support".

"Felt bad for new County Atty getting grilled up there since he wasn't in office at the time this all occurred and he has to protect the reputation of that office as best he can. I even felt for the witness advocate, it was very clear that the Exec Council was not happy that the only witness to the event chose not to testify".

"Ward's wrap up was powerful. Asked for and was granted permission to stand before the Governor, Exec Council and gallery. He stood slowly, and in a voice full of emotion that grew stronger as he went: "As God is my witness, and on the honor of my family, and my friends, in this room today, I did not point or wave a firearm at Christine Harris. And that's all I have to say."

"Four of the five councilors wouldn't comment after Tuesday's hearing. But Councilor David Wheeler says Bird deserves a full pardon because there's evidence of "a gross miscarriage of justice."

fatlazyless · 02-02-2011, 08:18 AM

Last night's 6-pm WMUR tv news had a 60 second video-audio with Councilor Ray Worciek, Governor John Lynch, Prisoner Ward Bird, all speaking, and a Christine Harris written statement read aloud at the hearing. In the statement it said that she was too intimidated by all of Ward's supporter's to be there in person plus some other comments. Ward was seated at one end of a large old wood table with a uniformed state trooper seated on either side of him, and as I recall, Ward was wearing prison gray clothes as opposed to prison orange, but maybe I'm wrong on that and they were regular non-prison clothes.

Today's Feb 2 www.unionleader.com has a front page photo of Ward seated at the table along with the backs of some others, and the two state troopers cannot be seen in the photo even if you know they are present.

Suggest you read today's Feb 2 www.citizen.com report by Bea Lewis which is about 100 times better written and more informative than the Union Leader article.

Gov Lynch asked Ward at the close: "How long would it take you to replace the clip back into the gun as you were entering your house." Ward thought on it for a couple seconds and said "about five seconds."

Where this whole Ward Bird saga is going is anyone's guess? What do the London bookies have to say for their betting odds?

Any chance someone can post a link to the WMUR video?

If you were on a jury trying to make a serious and intelligent decision based on all the input you received over the length of a trial, and the defense attorney making the closing statement to the jury was a bald guy with a pony tail would that pony tail make any difference to your thinking about his presentation?

MarkinNH · 02-02-2011, 09:16 AM

Since when does prison attire of Any color include a White shirt, Suit coat and Tie ?
You can easily tell from the WMUR footage that he is wearing normal civilian clothing

Here is the link to the WMUR footage.
http://www.wmur.com/newsarchive/26690254/detail.html

My opinion of Harris's statement is. If she were telling the truth, then should would be able to walk into that room with here head held high and not feel intimidated by anyone !

I keep wondering what the Governor was trying to ascertain with the question he asked.

Sal · 02-02-2011, 09:35 AM

http://www.laconiadailysun.com/story...makes-his-case

Sal · 02-02-2011, 09:43 AM

http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...6-54ad3179138e

sa meredith · 02-02-2011, 12:20 PM

Just watched the video from the link provided.
Not for nothing, but if I hired Sisti, I'd ask him to lose the pony tail before going to court.
Pony tail ????? Really?
Regarding the Gov's question about "how long would it take to have loaded the gun?"...cleary, what he was a saying was, the fact that there was not a round in the chamber makes no difference. The clip was loaded, and in the gun, so in a matter of seconds, it could have been ready to fire.

Two dobys · 02-02-2011, 12:45 PM

Hopefully we will have a answer soon, good luck to Ward Bird

MarkinNH · 02-02-2011, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sa meredith

Just watched the video from the link provided.
Not for nothing, but if I hired Sisti, I'd ask him to lose the pony tail before going to court.
Pony tail ????? Really?
Regarding the Gov's question about "how long would it take to have loaded the gun?"...cleary, what he was a saying was, the fact that there was not a round in the chamber makes no difference. The clip was loaded, and in the gun, so in a matter of seconds, it could have been ready to fire.

Yah the pony tail doesn't do much for me either.
Your take on the governors question is pretty much what I was thinking, although I still don't see what relevent point it makes as to how quickly he could have made the gun ready to fire.

wifi · 02-02-2011, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkinNH

Yah the pony tail doesn't do much for me either.
Your take on the governors question is pretty much what I was thinking, although I still don't see what relevent point it makes as to how quickly he could have made the gun ready to fire.

Hope not, but could be posturing for an already made up mind

sa meredith · 02-02-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wifi

Hope not, but could be posturing for an already made up mind

Maybe not a made up mind...he should take time to consider everything he heard.
But I think it was to discredit the statement that the gun was not loaded.
I always thought that if the clip had bullets in it, the gun was loaded. But ( being someone who does not knows a lick about guns) I guess that may not be the case. A bullet has to be in the firing chamber, for it to be considered loaded, is the way I now understand it.

MarkinNH · 02-02-2011, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sa meredith

Maybe not a made up mind...he should take time to consider everything he heard.
But I think it was to discredit the statement that the gun was not loaded.
I always thought that if the clip had bullets in it, the gun was loaded. But ( being someone who does not knows a lick about guns) I guess that may not be the case. A bullet has to be in the firing chamber, for it to be considered loaded, is the way I now understand it.

I believe that many people when they hear the word "loaded" in referance to a gun, takes it to mean that the gun is 100% ready to fire a round. To me and I am sure many others a "loaded" weapon merely means that it has bullets in it, they maybe in a clip for a semi automatic handgun or rifle or the magazine for a rifle or shotgun with bolt action or lever action or pump action. Unless an action is taken to actually place a round in the chamber, the gun Is Not ready to fire.
A revolver is a differant story. If all chambers in the cylinder are loaded then there is always a round ready to be fired. No action needs to be made to place a round in a firing position.
To me and I expect most anybody who owns and carry's a firearm an unloaded gun is as useful as a rock.

Resident 2B · 02-02-2011, 02:42 PM

Early release has been granted....

http://www.wmur.com/news/26714999/detail.html

R2B

luckypete · 02-02-2011, 02:45 PM

http://www.wmur.com/news/26714999/detail.html

Heaven · 02-02-2011, 02:49 PM

That works for me

ishoot308 · 02-02-2011, 03:24 PM

Is there any chance that the felony conviction could be on "conditional discharge" pending good behavior??

Dan

Argie's Wife · 02-02-2011, 02:43 PM

JUST IN: Gov says no to full pardon, against unanimous yes from council. Commutation on the table!

Commutation, time served, no sentence over his head, goes home after processing!

secondcurve · 02-02-2011, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rattle Isle Windy Side

agree 100%....

but I have yet to ever know a semi-auto handgun to have a clip. A paper clip??

....but it does appear that this will mean he never legally owns a firearm again.

And for that you should be forever grateful!

Pineedles · 02-02-2011, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rattle Isle Windy Side

agree 100%....

but I have yet to ever know a semi-auto handgun to have a clip. A paper clip??

Great news for Mr Bird!...He is home....but it does appear that this will mean he never legally owns a firearm again.

I know, I know, it's a magazine!

MarkinNH · 02-02-2011, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wifi

Hope not, but could be posturing for an already made up mind

I hadn't considered that and I sure hope not as well.
The governor has never granted a pardon and I have my fingers crossed that this will be his first.

02-01-2011, 05:40 PM	#1
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,702 Thanks: 751 Thanked 1,454 Times in 1,011 Posts	A Pardon Hearing? I just heard he was granted a pardon hearing and the Governor will not stand in the way. Does anyone know more?

02-01-2011, 06:37 PM	#2
Jonas Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wolfeboro, New Hampshire is my home, 24-7-365 Posts: 1,686 Thanks: 1,047 Thanked 336 Times in 189 Posts	Hearing tomorrow. Wmur reported there is a planned one hour meeting tomorrow to make the final decision.

02-02-2011, 08:18 AM	#5
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,738 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	Last night's 6-pm WMUR tv news had a 60 second video-audio with Councilor Ray Worciek, Governor John Lynch, Prisoner Ward Bird, all speaking, and a Christine Harris written statement read aloud at the hearing. In the statement it said that she was too intimidated by all of Ward's supporter's to be there in person plus some other comments. Ward was seated at one end of a large old wood table with a uniformed state trooper seated on either side of him, and as I recall, Ward was wearing prison gray clothes as opposed to prison orange, but maybe I'm wrong on that and they were regular non-prison clothes. Today's Feb 2 www.unionleader.com has a front page photo of Ward seated at the table along with the backs of some others, and the two state troopers cannot be seen in the photo even if you know they are present. Suggest you read today's Feb 2 www.citizen.com report by Bea Lewis which is about 100 times better written and more informative than the Union Leader article. Gov Lynch asked Ward at the close: "How long would it take you to replace the clip back into the gun as you were entering your house." Ward thought on it for a couple seconds and said "about five seconds." Where this whole Ward Bird saga is going is anyone's guess? What do the London bookies have to say for their betting odds? Any chance someone can post a link to the WMUR video? If you were on a jury trying to make a serious and intelligent decision based on all the input you received over the length of a trial, and the defense attorney making the closing statement to the jury was a bald guy with a pony tail would that pony tail make any difference to your thinking about his presentation? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 02-02-2011 at 09:15 AM.

02-02-2011, 09:35 AM	#7
Sal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 311 Thanks: 103 Thanked 169 Times in 53 Posts	Sun article: http://www.laconiadailysun.com/story...makes-his-case

02-02-2011, 09:43 AM	#8
Sal Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 311 Thanks: 103 Thanked 169 Times in 53 Posts	Union Leader article http://www.unionleader.com/article.a...6-54ad3179138e

02-01-2011, 07:54 PM	#3
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,542 Thanks: 1,071 Thanked 667 Times in 366 Posts	OMG, this man may be with his family soon. Thank you.

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02-01-2011, 08:47 PM	#4
MarkinNH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 392 Thanks: 177 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Here are some comments taken from one of Wards Facebook pages on todays pardon hearing. "Pardon hearing went well. Good questions asked, good responses heard. Harris didn't show. No surprise. Beyond the current county prosecutor and the advocate, there were no voices in opposition to those in support". "Felt bad for new County Atty getting grilled up there since he wasn't in office at the time this all occurred and he has to protect the reputation of that office as best he can. I even felt for the witness advocate, it was very clear that the Exec Council was not happy that the only witness to the event chose not to testify". "Ward's wrap up was powerful. Asked for and was granted permission to stand before the Governor, Exec Council and gallery. He stood slowly, and in a voice full of emotion that grew stronger as he went: "As God is my witness, and on the honor of my family, and my friends, in this room today, I did not point or wave a firearm at Christine Harris. And that's all I have to say." "Four of the five councilors wouldn't comment after Tuesday's hearing. But Councilor David Wheeler says Bird deserves a full pardon because there's evidence of "a gross miscarriage of justice."

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02-02-2011, 09:16 AM	#6
MarkinNH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 392 Thanks: 177 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Since when does prison attire of Any color include a White shirt, Suit coat and Tie ? You can easily tell from the WMUR footage that he is wearing normal civilian clothing Here is the link to the WMUR footage. http://www.wmur.com/newsarchive/26690254/detail.html My opinion of Harris's statement is. If she were telling the truth, then should would be able to walk into that room with here head held high and not feel intimidated by anyone ! I keep wondering what the Governor was trying to ascertain with the question he asked.

02-02-2011, 12:20 PM	#9
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	video Just watched the video from the link provided. Not for nothing, but if I hired Sisti, I'd ask him to lose the pony tail before going to court. Pony tail ????? Really? Regarding the Gov's question about "how long would it take to have loaded the gun?"...cleary, what he was a saying was, the fact that there was not a round in the chamber makes no difference. The clip was loaded, and in the gun, so in a matter of seconds, it could have been ready to fire.

02-02-2011, 12:45 PM	#10
Two dobys Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 22 Thanks: 53 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hopefully we will have a answer soon, good luck to Ward Bird

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02-02-2011, 02:43 PM	#19
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	Ward is going home!!!!! JUST IN: Gov says no to full pardon, against unanimous yes from council. Commutation on the table! Commutation, time served, no sentence over his head, goes home after processing!

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