Help Ward Bird of Moultonborough

jeffatsquam · 02-03-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sa meredith

Folks...my sincere hope is to not get sucked into any back and forth thing here. Ward is home, that's the only thing that really matters. While I never thought he belonged in jail, I also never thought he was blameless in this whole mess.
I find many of these posts indeed comical...the ones ragging on the Gov, and not satisfied because he was not granted full pardon. ARE YOU FREAKIN' FOR REAL??!!!
Everyone has been saying, Free Bird, Free Bird, Free Bird, Free Bird...and he is free...but noooooooo, now that's not enough. Christ, he's home. Enough all ready. Good for him.
So he can't pack heat anymore...ohh, the horror of it all.
He can't work with Boy Scouts...maybe unfair, but not as unfair as being behind bars.
Look, I read thru a lot of this stuff...and don't know Ward, and know Harris is off her rocker.
One thing stood out for me ...one, just one, so don't hate on me MARKNH. This is a guy (Ward) who at one time, while drinking, was part of a group firing a gun at a tree stump (so they say, anyway). And witnessed a bullet enter a near by home. And what was Ward's intial reaction (before the next day)???? To run home and do nothing. Hide, as it were. Someone could have been lying on the floor, bleeding to death. I don't care if he fired the shot or not...he saw it. This is all accurate info, according to police reports.
So let's back it down a bit. This man should probably not have been in prison...but he should probably not have guns either.
He is not blameless in this whole mess...no way, no how.
So, let's hold off on naming him Saint Ward.

Your facts are inaccurate you need to spend the rest of the day with FLL

Heaven · 02-03-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffatsquam

Your facts are inaccurate you need to spend the rest of the day with FLL

Ok, so tell us what happened that evening that a stray shot went into the neighbors house, would you please? And how or how not Bird was involved with that?

sa meredith · 02-03-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffatsquam

Your facts are inaccurate you need to spend the rest of the day with FLL

Don't just post and run...it is unbecoming, and makes you look quite foolish.
Show me where my facts are wrong...if they are...then WMUR, The UL, and Citizen all got it wrong.
Let me state again...he never belonged in jail. Never.
Did he want her to see the gun, as he went back in....ABSOLUTELY!
To the untrained eye, can the action of disabling a gun's ability to fire, indeed look like it is being prepared to fire...of course.
Christ...I can't believe people are putting me in a position to get behind a woman who is of questionable mental capacity...I am not in her corner.
I just can't believe people wanted Ward out, he is out, and now, that's not enough.
Sorry...he indeed played a part in this. I understand it is his right/way of life/everyday pattern to carry. I get it...I support it...I understand it. However, if he had not gone to his gun safe, to get his gun (which he stated is what he did), before going out that day..none of this would have happened. None of it. None of it at all. But, she said she saw a gun, and he admitted he had one on his person...the combination of those two things, set the wheels in motion.
Subtract one (like maybe maybe if she said she saw a gun...be he stated all the way thru, that he never had one with him) of those two things...and her story would have come apart instantly.
How can any rational thinking person not see it this way?
I have no doubt he is a good guy, and don't think he wanted to shot her...but he absolutely wanted her to see it.
I'm out....

jeffatsquam · 02-03-2011, 05:58 PM

Sorry to look foolish to you but I had to go back to WORK!

My understanding of the facts of 2002 is that the round was not located in the camp until sometime after Mr.Bird left the party. I am not sure weather it was before or after Mr.Bird called the MPD and stated that he was one of the people target shooting at the stump.

Your paragraph takes these facts and twist them around to help your argument.S O P

I would think that any rational person that thought about this case that Mr.bird was at home under Dr. orders to take it easy and not get to worked up was totally in his RIGHT and Ms. Harris was totally in the WRONG.

sa meredith · 02-03-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffatsquam

Sorry to look foolish to you but I had to go back to WORK!

My understanding of the facts of 2002 is that the round was not located in the camp until sometime after Mr.Bird left the party. I am not sure weather it was before or after Mr.Bird called the MPD and stated that he was one of the people target shooting at the stump.

Your paragraph takes these facts and twist them around to help your argument.S O P

I would think that any rational person that thought about this case that Mr.bird was at home under Dr. orders to take it easy and not get to worked up was totally in his RIGHT and Ms. Harris was totally in the WRONG.

I twisted no facts...I told no lies. Why the FFL comment is beyond me.
Maybe you're just an internet tough guy.
Bottom line...if he had confronted her without the gun, none...of ..this...happens. Period. Fact.
"He was home under Dr. orders to take it easy and not get worked up "...you say. So grabbing your heater is staying cool and calm? Christ almighty...do the math!

jeffatsquam · 02-03-2011, 09:06 PM

"You said he witnessed a bullet enter a home" that is Wrong. Than you went on to state that someone could have been seriously injured and he ran in order to prove your point that he is reckless.

Ward Bird's supporters number in the 1,000's Christine Harris's supporters number in the, well I guess 0 isn't really a number in this instance.

Webmaster, I am sorry to engage an individual and I will not post in this thread again.

Heaven · 02-03-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffatsquam

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Webmaster, I am sorry to engage an individual and I will not post in this thread again.

That's too bad because

"My understanding of the facts of 2002 is that the round was not located in the camp until sometime after Mr.Bird left the party. I am not sure weather it was before or after Mr.Bird called the MPD and stated that he was one of the people target shooting at the stump."

is really vague on several points and I was hopeing you would qualify that.

Pineedles · 02-03-2011, 09:41 PM

He's home with his family. Let it rest.

VitaBene · 02-03-2011, 10:32 PM

I saw Mr Bird at Ridgewood picking kids up from Nordic practice, I gave him a thumbs up which was promptly returned. I am very happy that he has rejoined his family.

At least his next step in the legal process will be done from the outside.

Dogg · 02-03-2011, 10:37 PM

What is incredibly pathetic is that people will not let this thread or issue die... Ward is home with his family which is what I thought was the point of the whole thread and bandwagon.

Now we have certain people posting (here and other places) that the governor is weak (using a term that is acceptable) because he didn't provide Ward with a full pardon... I will bet that you don't know what the term of "Criminal Threatening" is... The governor did more than he should have IMO in this case; as he brought up 3 levels of court found or upheld the original conviction, why should he overturn it?

Neither person in this case has a clear background; the only reason why his lawyer would state that he would put Ward on the stand now is because he didn't earlier and lost!

It is incredible to read the BS provided on here and other sites about what was testified to against Ward; "He did run to the end of the porch with the gun." (pg. 149. ln 8) this can happen folks from a person with stitches/staples/surgery etc.. no jumping etc as originally reported. The jury was NOT told to believe that he 'ran' or 'chased' her... That quote is the statement made to the jury to take home... It was 2 years.... You tell me who won the superbowl on spot 2 years ago..

For all the supports; Ward is home, end you battle, you "hero" is home... For all those against, I suggest you move on as there is really nothing more that can or will be done.

Everyone needs to learn that they can disagree and move on...

My suggestion is to close the thread and move on...

MarkinNH · 02-03-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogg

Everyone needs to learn that they can disagree and move on...

Well it is quite clear what you disagree with from the sarcastic tone of your post. If your so displeased with Wards release and the continuation of this thread, don't read it any more, feel free to take your own suggestion and Move on.
I certainly won't miss your 2 cents worth.

topwater · 02-04-2011, 08:08 AM

Don (webmaster) we won the battle and we won the war. Ward is HOME with his family. That was what this thread was all about. Nothing more & nothing less. Now its turning out to be just like the speed limit thread. Please at this time == Lock this thread. == Before it starts to ruin a good thing.

NoRegrets · 02-04-2011, 10:35 AM

If you were on the jury and heard all the evidence posted here, how would have have voted? What would be your rationalle?

I would have found him innocent since the first crime of trespassing and confrontation was not his doing. Since it was escallated and then became one word against the other, I would have decided if the first crime wasn't commited the second would not have occured. It was the ladies fault. Dismiss the charges.

Heaven · 02-04-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by topwater

Don (webmaster) we won the battle and we won the war. Ward is HOME with his family. That was what this thread was all about. Nothing more & nothing less. Now its turning out to be just like the speed limit thread. Please at this time == Lock this thread. == Before it starts to ruin a good thing.

Maybe for some this thread and this protest was about getting Bird home. For others, it is obviously going to continue as being about "Pardon Bird". You will see that several of the "Free Ward Bird" signs now read "Pardon Ward Bird". I don't know the law but it seems that a pardon can be pursued forever with changes in the govoernor's office. Is this correct?
For my personal answer to NoRegrets, all of the information I have read outside of the trial transcripts support the decision of the jury in my opinion. (NoRegrets, so I am clear, did you read the trial transcripts?).

wifi · 02-04-2011, 01:23 PM

Perhaps its time for a poll with all the options from no pardon to total complete pardon, and what ever bashing that might evolve can move there?

NoRegrets · 02-04-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Heaven

Maybe for some this thread and this protest was about getting Bird home. For others, it is obviously going to continue as being about "Pardon Bird". You will see that several of the "Free Ward Bird" signs now read "Pardon Ward Bird". I don't know the law but it seems that a pardon can be pursued forever with changes in the govoernor's office. Is this correct?
For my personal answer to NoRegrets, all of the information I have read outside of the trial transcripts support the decision of the jury in my opinion. (NoRegrets, so I am clear, did you read the trial transcripts?).

Good and fair question. No I did not read or study the court trial transcripts. I have read the writings from the forum members and news media. I then applyed my values and instincts as the basis of my logic. I think it is interesting to understand how people come to a conclusion to offer judgement. If you re-read my first statement I did refer to "the evidence posted here".

Heaven · 02-05-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NoRegrets

Good and fair question. No I did not read or study the court trial transcripts. I have read the writings from the forum members and news media. I then applyed my values and instincts as the basis of my logic. I think it is interesting to understand how people come to a conclusion to offer judgement. If you re-read my first statement I did refer to "the evidence posted here".

I agree that the information here (and from the news media) can be a valuable part of the base for forming an opinion in a broad sense, but typically there is also a lot of information from these type of sources that is baseless, and continues to be repeated. Let me take for example, a "fact" that several people here have incorrectly reported, that the woman's past was not a factor in the trial. In fact, her conviction WAS included as part of the information that the jury heard.
So it does get frustrating to try and converse in this thread with others who haven't taken the time to educate themselves as much as they possibly can before they make a hard-and-fast statement. Certainly, the most interesting part of this for me at least is extrapolating between "known" facts from all sources to determine what I believe happened. I have no emotional or political connection to the case, so it feels a bit like an intellectual exercise.

MarkinNH · 02-03-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sa meredith

Christ...I can't believe people are putting me in a position to get behind a woman who is of questionable mental capacity...I am not in her corner...

Nobody is putting you in any position !
Don't blame other people for the choice's, decision's and opinion's that you yourself choose to make, take and stand behind.

If it makes you feel any better, I for one don't see your opinion in this situation as being in Christine Harris's corner or that your defending her actions in anyway.
I may not agree with your opinion but you are entitled to have whatever opinion you like.

02-04-2011, 01:23 PM	#15
wifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 1,321 Thanks: 282 Thanked 287 Times in 169 Posts	A Poll ? Perhaps its time for a poll with all the options from no pardon to total complete pardon, and what ever bashing that might evolve can move there?

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02-03-2011, 05:58 PM	#4
jeffatsquam Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: moultonborough/sandwich Posts: 187 Thanks: 173 Thanked 77 Times in 50 Posts	Sorry to look foolish to you but I had to go back to WORK! My understanding of the facts of 2002 is that the round was not located in the camp until sometime after Mr.Bird left the party. I am not sure weather it was before or after Mr.Bird called the MPD and stated that he was one of the people target shooting at the stump. Your paragraph takes these facts and twist them around to help your argument.S O P I would think that any rational person that thought about this case that Mr.bird was at home under Dr. orders to take it easy and not get to worked up was totally in his RIGHT and Ms. Harris was totally in the WRONG.

02-03-2011, 09:06 PM	#6
jeffatsquam Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: moultonborough/sandwich Posts: 187 Thanks: 173 Thanked 77 Times in 50 Posts	"You said he witnessed a bullet enter a home" that is Wrong. Than you went on to state that someone could have been seriously injured and he ran in order to prove your point that he is reckless. Ward Bird's supporters number in the 1,000's Christine Harris's supporters number in the, well I guess 0 isn't really a number in this instance. Webmaster, I am sorry to engage an individual and I will not post in this thread again.

02-03-2011, 09:41 PM	#8
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,545 Thanks: 1,072 Thanked 668 Times in 367 Posts	He's home with his family. Let it rest.

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02-03-2011, 10:32 PM	#9
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,595 Thanks: 1,640 Thanked 1,641 Times in 844 Posts	I saw Mr Bird at Ridgewood picking kids up from Nordic practice, I gave him a thumbs up which was promptly returned. I am very happy that he has rejoined his family. At least his next step in the legal process will be done from the outside.

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02-03-2011, 10:37 PM	#10
Dogg Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	What is incredibly pathetic is that people will not let this thread or issue die... Ward is home with his family which is what I thought was the point of the whole thread and bandwagon. Now we have certain people posting (here and other places) that the governor is weak (using a term that is acceptable) because he didn't provide Ward with a full pardon... I will bet that you don't know what the term of "Criminal Threatening" is... The governor did more than he should have IMO in this case; as he brought up 3 levels of court found or upheld the original conviction, why should he overturn it? Neither person in this case has a clear background; the only reason why his lawyer would state that he would put Ward on the stand now is because he didn't earlier and lost! It is incredible to read the BS provided on here and other sites about what was testified to against Ward; "He did run to the end of the porch with the gun." (pg. 149. ln 8) this can happen folks from a person with stitches/staples/surgery etc.. no jumping etc as originally reported. The jury was NOT told to believe that he 'ran' or 'chased' her... That quote is the statement made to the jury to take home... It was 2 years.... You tell me who won the superbowl on spot 2 years ago.. For all the supports; Ward is home, end you battle, you "hero" is home... For all those against, I suggest you move on as there is really nothing more that can or will be done. Everyone needs to learn that they can disagree and move on... My suggestion is to close the thread and move on...

02-04-2011, 08:08 AM	#12
topwater Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 302 Thanks: 85 Thanked 116 Times in 48 Posts	Don (webmaster) we won the battle and we won the war. Ward is HOME with his family. That was what this thread was all about. Nothing more & nothing less. Now its turning out to be just like the speed limit thread. Please at this time == Lock this thread. == Before it starts to ruin a good thing.

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02-04-2011, 10:35 AM	#13
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	If you were on the jury and heard all the evidence posted here, how would have have voted? What would be your rationalle? I would have found him innocent since the first crime of trespassing and confrontation was not his doing. Since it was escallated and then became one word against the other, I would have decided if the first crime wasn't commited the second would not have occured. It was the ladies fault. Dismiss the charges.