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[Shreddy]

Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

Get a clue shreddy....as someone with hundreds of volunteer hours grooming I can tell you that the snow is at it's softest right after being groomed. Going out after they are groomed does the most damage because the snow has not setup(they take several hours to setup after being groomed). That's why we try to go late at night when the trails hopefully won't see any traffic while they are fragile and soft from being freshly groomed.

Or it could also be because there is far less traffic which poses less of a danger of a groomer coming down the trail. To each their own...keep jabbing

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by Shreddy

Or it could also be because there is far less traffic which poses less of a danger of a groomer coming down the trail. To each their own...keep jabbing

Shreddy: It's folks like you who limit our access to private land. Please grow up and learn to appreciate the hard work of the volunteers who make it all possible.

[Shreddy]

Originally Posted by secondcurve

Shreddy: It's folks like you who limit our access to private land. Please grow up and learn to appreciate the hard work of the volunteers who make it all possible.

Do you mind telling me how I limit the access to private land? This should be interesting...What exactly do I do to limit the access to private land?

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Shreddy

Do you mind telling me how I limit the access to private land? This should be interesting...What exactly do I do to limit the access to private land?

Shreddy, the comment was directed at your perceived attitude and your comments.

secondcurve was assuming that your attitude correlates with those individuals that rip up the trails and subsequently have landowners close those trails because of your comments like this:


"It's just the way some people ride...you have to accept it,"
and this:
" Sorry, I just don't like when some people tell others how to ride. If you want the groomed trails, get out after the groomer, if not, deal with it. "

To be honest with you comments like that make people just as pissed off as you get when you think people are telling you "how to ride." Your attitude reeks of a typical who gives a *bleep* as long as I am having fun i could care less what kind of damage I am causing. The damage caused could be trail closure, that is what secondcurve was referring to.

It is pretty common knowledge that we must tread as light as possible on fresh groomed trails, yet you dismissed that (incorrectly).

No offense shreddy, as I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts in the past, but occasionally you come of with an attitude of "too bad if you don't like it, I'm gonna do it." Sometimes we need to consider how our actions might affect things in the long term/big picture. I'm all for fun and speed and noise, in moderation, when it's not stressing everyone out around me.

[Shreddy]

You're right...I didn't intend to come off with that attitude and understand how that can be perceived. No, I do not personally ride like that or in any way attempt to jeopardize the trail systems. I enjoy a groomed trailed just as much as the next person and as I said above, I COMMEND the VOLUNTEER groomers for their efforts. Cheers

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Shreddy, the comment was directed at your perceived attitude and your comments.

secondcurve was assuming that your attitude correlates with those individuals that rip up the trails and subsequently have landowners close those trails because of your comments like this:


"It's just the way some people ride...you have to accept it,"
and this:
" Sorry, I just don't like when some people tell others how to ride. If you want the groomed trails, get out after the groomer, if not, deal with it. "

To be honest with you comments like that make people just as pissed off as you get when you think people are telling you "how to ride." Your attitude reeks of a typical who gives a *bleep* as long as I am having fun i could care less what kind of damage I am causing. The damage caused could be trail closure, that is what secondcurve was referring to.

It is pretty common knowledge that we must tread as light as possible on fresh groomed trails, yet you dismissed that (incorrectly).

No offense shreddy, as I have thoroughly enjoyed your posts in the past, but occasionally you come of with an attitude of "too bad if you don't like it, I'm gonna do it." Sometimes we need to consider how our actions might affect things in the long term/big picture. I'm all for fun and speed and noise, in moderation, when it's not stressing everyone out around me.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by Shreddy

You're right...I didn't intend to come off with that attitude and understand how that can be perceived. No, I do not personally ride like that or in any way attempt to jeopardize the trail systems. I enjoy a groomed trailed just as much as the next person and as I said above, I COMMEND the VOLUNTEER groomers for their efforts. Cheers

Thanks. Not too many folks admit a mistake around here. You're a bigger man/person than most.

[VitaBene]

Thanks Eddy. We will get you out for a groomer ride along next winter!

[WINNOCTURN]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Thanks Eddy. We will get you out for a groomer ride along next winter!

John,

Don't give up now. There still could be some thing left to the season?

[VitaBene]

I hear what you are saying George, but my optimism is waning!! I am ready for spring and ice out!

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

I hear what you are saying George, but my optimism is waning!! I am ready for spring and ice out!

I am ever the optimist and even I am starting to lose hope.

I'm probably going to dust off the trailer and prep for one last ride the weekend of the 19th. Headin northbound.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

I am ever the optimist and even I am starting to lose hope.

I'm probably going to dust off the trailer and prep for one last ride the weekend of the 19th. Headin northbound.

I cancelled my trip to Pittsburg this weekend becuase of the rain and temps in the 40's. With that kind of weather I don't care how much snow they have, they won't be grooming and trails will be real back breakers...too old for that!!

Snowmobiles will be put in mothballs this weekend and now wishing for an early ice out!

Dan

[boat_guy64]

It was a great year for riding. We had a lot of nice days riding in the Lakes region and tried out some new territory for us. We had over 1250 miles and that was with my son playing lacrosse on Sundays (which meant we only rode on Saturdays) We'll make one last trip to Pittsburg and finish off a great season.

[Irrigation Guy]

Originally Posted by Shreddy

Or it could also be because there is far less traffic which poses less of a danger of a groomer coming down the trail. To each their own...keep jabbing

It's not to each their own. It's a fact. Sure it's safer at night but the reality is it's a waste of time and resources to groom and have sleds come along right behind the groomer and ride on it before it's set up.

http://snowmobilers.org/groomer_guid...GuidePart1.pdf

BTW- We are still waiting for you to come help the club instead of just the opposite. You know where to find my number when you're ready.

[Irrigation Guy]

In case you don't want to read the link (pages 28 &29):

The last step in the grooming operation allows the moisture that was created during the processing step to refreeze. This binds the individual granules of tightly packed snow firmly together, creating a hard surface that will withstand passing traffic much better.
The length of time needed for a trail to set up correctly can vary from two to six or even more than ten hours, depending upon the temperature and moisture content of the snow. Trail set up can be similar to freezing a tray of ice cubes – after a short time there may be a crust but the cube isn’t entirely solid and it generally takes a few hours for it to become fully firm. A snowmobile trail is no different. Therefore, it is vital that the trail remain as undisturbed as possible during this set up period for firmer, better quality trails that will stand up longer to snowmobiling traffic.

Ideally a snowmobile trail would be closed during set up time, but that isn’t practical. Consequently, the best time to groom is generally at night when traffic levels are typically lower and air temperatures are generally colder. For the best set up, it is strongly recommended that grooming occur at night after snowmobile traffic subsides. This also provides for the safer operation of both groomers and snowmobiles since it is easier to see oncoming lights and beacons.

Most importantly, night grooming provides for more effective grooming since there is typically more time for the trail pavement to freeze solid before traffic resumes, maximizing the effectiveness of the area’s grooming dollars.It is recommended that daytime grooming be done in areas only if there is little or no daytime snowmobile use on the trail being grooming. Other exceptions would include special circumstances such as when daylight would aid operator visibility for initial early season trail set up and establishment or for trail reestablishment of the trail after big storms, extremely heavy snowfalls, and/or significant wind events.
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