New Boaters Organization

[jarhead]

You posted that you had never boated on the lake , that was a direct quote. This thread was not about SL or wether or not you feel safe on the lake or not , and how would you know having not been out there,it was about an organization that looks out for the rights of all boaters not yours not mine but all ! Start a new thread if you want about any other topic and discuss it there . But do me one favor and base it on facts not assumptions, opinions or the ramblings of APS and FAT JACK.And as restauranteer said head out on the lake and you will find it more beautifull and alot less dangerous than others may lead you to beleive.

[Evenstar]

Originally Posted by jarhead

You posted that you had never boated on the lake , that was a direct quote. This thread was not about SL or wether or not you feel safe on the lake or not , and how would you know having not been out there,it was about an organization that looks out for the rights of all boaters not yours not mine but all ! Start a new thread if you want about any other topic and discuss it there . But do me one favor and base it on facts not assumptions, opinions or the ramblings of APS and FAT JACK.And as restauranteer said head out on the lake and you will find it more beautifull and alot less dangerous than others may lead you to beleive.

But you originally wrote "you have never been to the lake before ." That was what I was responding to. Like I explained, I have been to the lake many times, I just haven't been on it in my kayak yet.

Hey, I didn't start any of the disscusions on speed limits ... I just responded to what others had posted here, most of which was directed at me personally. Why aren't you directing your complaints to the ones that actually started the speed limit and other issues here? I certainly have a right to reply to any posts that are directed at me.

Why is it that the views of a kayaker aren't welcome here, if this is actually a thread about "an organization that looks out for the rights of all boaters"? The truth is that this is another powerboater only thread, so other views aren't welcome. That's pretty obvious to me.

Read my posts. I have more facts in my posts than anyone else does in this entire thread.

Goodness, restauranteer doesn't even own a boat, so what does he know about kayaking on Winni! The ower of the kayak shop where I bought my kayak has a family camp on Winni. She's a certified instructor and an expert kayaker. I was just at her store and she told that going out on the main lake during the summer in a kayak is not at all safe. She says that it is a very dangerous lake for kayaks, due to the high speeds of some of the powerboats. This woman is an expert, and knows the lake very well.

[PROPELLER]

No Fat Jack, I do not believe it was Winnilakers intention for this thread to be about the speed limit bill specifically. He only asked if there needed to be a non-profit organization that represents all boaters. Thats it.

And no, its not clear to me at this time that it is a front for high performance boats or that the organization was created specifically to fight the speed limit.

One thing is clear to me though & they don't deny it. In fact it says it on their website. WinnFABS was created specifically to support the speed limit bill. Its obvious to me that WinnFABS does not represent a broad spectrum of boaters. Did you donate money to them thinking they have all boaters interests at heart?

At least Winnilaker has expressed an interest in some kind of regulation. He points out that areas of the lake are congested & would benefit from some kind of speed limit. Winnilaker also expressed that while 45mph maybe too low, a higher speed limit may be acceptable. Has WinnFABS kept an open mind? Not that I am aware of.

It would be difficult for any boating organization to represent speed limit supporters & opponents. So if I decide to join one I will pick one that keeps an open mind & would consider compromise.

And no, I have not donated money to NHRBA yet but I am seriously thinking about. I can do my own research & make my own decisions. I don't need your help, thanks anyway.

[Fat Jack]

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

And no, its not clear to me at this time that it is a front for high performance boats or that the organization was created specifically to fight the speed limit.

Want to buy a bridge?

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

WinnFABS was created specifically to support the speed limit bill.

Exactly as they say they were. Let there be no confusion about that. Are you implying that they are pretending they were formed for some other purpose the way NHRBA is?

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

Did you donate money to them thinking they have all boaters interests at heart?

I gave $5000 because I want to help them get HB162 passed. Period. To me, this has nothing to do with "other boaters interests".

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

At least Winnilaker has expressed an interest in some kind of regulation.

You don't consider HB162 to be "some kind of regulation"? You consider the no-rules status that Custie is promoting to be "some kind of regulation"? Want to buy two bridges?

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

Has WinnFABS kept an open mind? Not that I am aware of.

Winnfabs is trying to make the lake accessible to ALL boaters, 21-footers, sailboats, water-skiers, canoes, sunfishes, kayaks, rowing skulls, salmon fishermen, etc. They just want them ALL to operate at a safe speed. This is what an "open minded" person would see as an "open minded " approach. As I've said before, at least Winnfabs has taken the constructive first step and brought a bill forward. Isn't it now the other side's turn to make a counter-proposal? Is saying "no way" your idea of compromising? Is it Winnfab's job to make the initial proposal, then to next make a counter-proposal to their own bill? What business school teaches this form of negotiating? You feel that maintaining the "let the strongest survive" atmosphere, which forces most of NH's citizens off the lake for the benefit of the dominant few (who mostly come from out-of-state, BTW) is "open minded"? Want to buy yet another bridge?

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

It would be difficult for any boating organization to represent speed limit supporters & opponents. So if I decide to join one I will pick one that keeps an open mind & would consider compromise.

And we will surely forgive and welcome you, because that's the kind of "open minded" group that we are.

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

And no, I have not donated money to NHRBA yet.

Finally, a logical decision, (But not a surprising one).

Originally Posted by PROPELLER

I can do my own research & make my own decisions. I don't need your help, thanks anyway..

Let me know if you do need my help. I am always willing.