Lead paint on houses built before 1978

TOAD · 06-18-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pjs1342

what happened to the Live Free or Die state?

It died.

To many out of staters moving there.

I am looking forward to moving and fighting for what used to be. Things are changing and not for the better.

Belmont Resident · 06-19-2011, 08:36 AM

Why should the homeowner not bear some of the brunt? Because they can knowingly go from contractor to contractor until they find someone willing to bypass the law and perform the work. I've seen it first hand on a house next to the one I was working on.
I believe it IS a good law but it also has a lot of flaws in it as do almost every contractor I've spoken with. The main reason is that a homeowner can produce all the lead dust he wants too even if there are kids out playing in the yard next door and be perfectly within his/her rights.
As for taking the class I do intend to because as owners of rental property we have to be licensed to perform work on those houses because as soon as you take rent money you fall under the category of a contractor when performing work.
We both took the state class in Concord way before it became law. Unfortunately that class does not qualify under the new law.
As for enforcement I believe the town building inspector has the right to verify compliance and order work to be stopped for noncompliance. But I do not believe they have no ability to issue fines.
Insurance companies are requiring a lead test on many homes that are being purchased that were built before 1978. I’m sure a positive test result will mean some sort of change in premiums.

TOAD · 06-19-2011, 09:56 AM

Lead paint was banned in 1977. If it is/was so bad a thing there shouldn't be anyone alive or not lead paint retarded older than 34 years old.

I find it ridiculous how the goernment puts out these mandates.

People did just fine with lead based paints for hundreds of years.

RailroadJoe · 06-19-2011, 03:23 PM

TOAD And then we got the EPA. Nice group, huh!

tis · 06-19-2011, 03:50 PM

And since they banned lead and (was it) mercury and all the other things, the paint doesn't want to stick anymore. Have you noticed how it doesn't last now?

Belmont Resident · 06-20-2011, 05:23 AM

Actually many of the new latex paints are as good if not better then the old oil products.
As a painting contractor I've found that 90% of the time that paint peels it is due to things other then the product. The surface must be clean, dry and properly primed before using paint. Many of the do it yourself painters do not realize how much prep is required to properly get a house ready for paint or stain. Stain is different in that it is self priming and not nearly as durable as paint.
Most but not all houses require the use of bleach to remove mold & mildew then once they are dry I sand those areas to be sure there will not be any problems with materials adhering. Nothing will last for long on a surface that has mold or mildew on it to begin with.

dpg · 06-21-2011, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TOAD

Lead paint was banned in 1977. If it is/was so bad a thing there shouldn't be anyone alive or not lead paint retarded older than 34 years old.

I find it ridiculous how the goernment puts out these mandates.

People did just fine with lead based paints for hundreds of years.

So everyone should keep smoking and not worry about it. right?

jrc · 06-21-2011, 11:51 AM

The EPA is like any other government agency, they start with good motives, make good progress, accomplish the bulk of their goals and then they become a problem. The massive clean-up of the mess left by industrialization was a great accomplisment, we all love the clean air and water. The EPA accomplished that major goal, and yes we still need a vestigal agancy to keep things from reverting.

TOAD · 06-21-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dpg

So everyone should keep smoking and not worry about it. right?

Not even close to being a good analogy...FAIL.

06-19-2011, 08:36 AM	#2
Belmont Resident Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine Posts: 1,857 Thanks: 491 Thanked 410 Times in 251 Posts	jmen24 Why should the homeowner not bear some of the brunt? Because they can knowingly go from contractor to contractor until they find someone willing to bypass the law and perform the work. I've seen it first hand on a house next to the one I was working on. I believe it IS a good law but it also has a lot of flaws in it as do almost every contractor I've spoken with. The main reason is that a homeowner can produce all the lead dust he wants too even if there are kids out playing in the yard next door and be perfectly within his/her rights. As for taking the class I do intend to because as owners of rental property we have to be licensed to perform work on those houses because as soon as you take rent money you fall under the category of a contractor when performing work. We both took the state class in Concord way before it became law. Unfortunately that class does not qualify under the new law. As for enforcement I believe the town building inspector has the right to verify compliance and order work to be stopped for noncompliance. But I do not believe they have no ability to issue fines. Insurance companies are requiring a lead test on many homes that are being purchased that were built before 1978. I’m sure a positive test result will mean some sort of change in premiums.

06-19-2011, 09:56 AM	#3
TOAD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Soon to be Moultonboro Posts: 258 Thanks: 1 Thanked 81 Times in 34 Posts	Lead paint was banned in 1977. If it is/was so bad a thing there shouldn't be anyone alive or not lead paint retarded older than 34 years old. I find it ridiculous how the goernment puts out these mandates. People did just fine with lead based paints for hundreds of years. __________________ "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.....Unknown....but attributed to George Washington

06-20-2011, 05:23 AM	#6
Belmont Resident Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine Posts: 1,857 Thanks: 491 Thanked 410 Times in 251 Posts	tis Actually many of the new latex paints are as good if not better then the old oil products. As a painting contractor I've found that 90% of the time that paint peels it is due to things other then the product. The surface must be clean, dry and properly primed before using paint. Many of the do it yourself painters do not realize how much prep is required to properly get a house ready for paint or stain. Stain is different in that it is self priming and not nearly as durable as paint. Most but not all houses require the use of bleach to remove mold & mildew then once they are dry I sand those areas to be sure there will not be any problems with materials adhering. Nothing will last for long on a surface that has mold or mildew on it to begin with.

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06-19-2011, 03:23 PM	#4
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	TOAD And then we got the EPA. Nice group, huh!

06-19-2011, 03:50 PM	#5
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,705 Thanks: 751 Thanked 1,454 Times in 1,011 Posts	And since they banned lead and (was it) mercury and all the other things, the paint doesn't want to stick anymore. Have you noticed how it doesn't last now?

06-21-2011, 11:51 AM	#8
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	The EPA is like any other government agency, they start with good motives, make good progress, accomplish the bulk of their goals and then they become a problem. The massive clean-up of the mess left by industrialization was a great accomplisment, we all love the clean air and water. The EPA accomplished that major goal, and yes we still need a vestigal agancy to keep things from reverting.

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