Lead paint on houses built before 1978

SAMIAM · 06-20-2011, 02:49 PM

I can understand your passion for that issue since you knew someone that was effected by it but it happens to be true that lead paint is not very high on anyones radar since it has been banned for so many years.
I think you were out of line to use terms such as "idiotic" and "absurd" to discribe my point of view just because you disagree with me.And to say that I value "pride" over a post on the forum more than childrens health is a little over the top and is not in line with the tone of this forum.
Not to hijack the thread,but aspartame is indeed a danger....which you could see for yourself if you would bother to reseach it.I had a family member who developed severe migraines.She lived a healthy lifestyle,good diet, excerise with no tobacco or alcohol use.....But she drank 4 Diet Cokes a day.After some reseach,I found that aspartame was developed as an ant poison and was denied approval for use in food by the FDA until some political wrangling took place.
Bottom line...she gave up ther aspartame and the migraines disappeared.
Google up "dangers of aspartame" and see for yourself.You may think it it's all baloney and that is your right, but there is no need to be insulting to make your point.

jrc · 06-20-2011, 03:19 PM

The whole lead paint thing is frustrating because of the half hearted approach. Assuming this really is the scourge to children depicted and attested by BI anecdote then why such a weak response?

I saw a This Old House episode maybe 20 years ago where they stripped and scraped lead paint off door jambs with chemical stripper and heat but stoped at 4 or 5 feet up the jamb, the belief was children would not reach any higher. Maybe five or ten years ago, on the same show, they wrapped the house in plastic, wrapped the worker in tyvek and sand blasted. Surely children haven't changed that much in the last ten years.

BI be careful what you admit to, there is no statute of limitations on stuff like this. A co-worker was tried in a civil court by the federal goverment and found finacially liable for disposing of toxic material (lead solder) in the 70's. He disposed of the lead in a way that was legal in the 70's, but is illegal now, he still had to pay.

When the goverment went after the toxic waste problem it went after the people profiting from the materials. This included the people making the waste and dumping it. Maybe they should do the same for lead paint, go after the people who profited from selling this poison. Not after some poor homeowner that bought an old house.

Just Sold · 06-20-2011, 05:38 PM

Here is the link to this new law: http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm

If you want to be properly informed and knowledgable on Lead Paint please read the HUD required disclosure that must be provided to buyers and renters of real estate. It should give you a good idea of how important and serious this problem can be. http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/docu...=DOC_12337.pdf

BTW the fine for not providing this document and the EPA signed disclosure form by RE professionals to buyers and renters is $11,000 per omission/error on the form. The EPA has fined RE professionals and agencies in MA & NH in the last few years.

Seller Form: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/docu...=DOC_12343.pdf

Renter Form: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/docu...=DOC_12343.pdf

pops · 06-20-2011, 06:59 PM

I had new windows installed in my very old house last fall. Our paint contained lead also. It was going to cost $75 per window because of the lead paint and the extra work of having to safely remove and dispose of the old windows. I asked the contractor if I could avoid the extra cost by removing the sashes myself. He checked with whoever is in charge of enforcing this law and found out it was legal for me to do it myself. I didn't even have to remove the windows just the just the two panels on each side of the window.

Pop's

RLW · 06-20-2011, 07:12 PM

When I was a kid working in Allen's hardware and paint (54-55 years ago), we sold lead to painters to add more to the paint for better durability. Yep added more lead to the paint. It was in liquid form and in a small can, some manufactures put in jars.

waverunner09 · 06-20-2011, 07:58 PM

Just the facts:
1. The lead law comes into play when you disturb 6 square feet or more per room of painted surface or 20 square feet or more of painted exterior surface.
2. Any home built prior to 1978 must be assumed to have lead paint.
3. If you test for lead paint in your home and the test is positive, you are required to disclose that to any future buyers or renters. (think twice before testing) ref to #2
4. Local building depts. have no juristiction to enforce this law, only the EPA.
5. Power washing the exterior of your home falls under this law, as this act dislodges the loose paint. Plastic must be installed to catch not only the paint chips but also the water. Both the chips and the collected water must be disposed in accordance to the EPA regulations.
6. The "Opt-Out" provision was removed July 6 2010. You can no longer "Opt- Out"
7. Yes, it is true that a homeowner can do the work themselves. However, the minute a dollar exchanges hand (you paid a college kid, or out of work freind to help), the law takes effect.
8. The EPA website has a list of registered contractors, take the time to look and ask questions.

RailroadJoe · 06-21-2011, 04:26 AM

Get rid of the EPA. We didn't have it in the 40's or 50's. and we had lots of wok in manufacturing companys. Too much government is too much.

tis · 06-21-2011, 06:27 AM

I couldn't agree more, Railroad Joe!

jmen24 · 06-21-2011, 07:52 AM

Waverunner09, thanks for the clarification on the Opt-Out, you are correct.

I will remove that item from my post above.

Bear Islander · 06-21-2011, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

Get rid of the EPA. We didn't have it in the 40's or 50's. and we had lots of wok in manufacturing companys. Too much government is too much.

The 40's and 50's were the good old days before the EPA. Black Lung, Brown Lung, Asbestosis, Chromium Poisoning, Byssinosis, Silicosis, Radium Girls, rivers that fish can't live in etc. The good old days.

Gearhead · 06-21-2011, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

Get rid of the EPA. We didn't have it in the 40's or 50's. and we had lots of wok in manufacturing companys. Too much government is too much.

I'm not too excited about government intrusion, but every time I have to follow a pre-1974 American car on the highway, I'm thankful for the clean air act. I wonder how long it will be before two-cycle engines are banned - especially on lakes.

I remember Northwood lake when I was a kid. It stunk so bad from the two-cycle pollution (and tetra-ethyl lead) that you could taste it.

06-20-2011, 05:38 PM	#3
Just Sold Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Suncook, NH, but at The Lake at Heart Posts: 2,615 Thanks: 1,083 Thanked 434 Times in 210 Posts	Here is the link to this new law: http://www.epa.gov/lead/pubs/renovation.htm If you want to be properly informed and knowledgable on Lead Paint please read the HUD required disclosure that must be provided to buyers and renters of real estate. It should give you a good idea of how important and serious this problem can be. http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/docu...=DOC_12337.pdf BTW the fine for not providing this document and the EPA signed disclosure form by RE professionals to buyers and renters is $11,000 per omission/error on the form. The EPA has fined RE professionals and agencies in MA & NH in the last few years. Seller Form: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/docu...=DOC_12343.pdf Renter Form: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/docu...=DOC_12343.pdf __________________ Just Sold At the lake the stress of daily life just melts away. Pro Re Nata

06-20-2011, 07:12 PM	#5
RLW Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Alton Bay on the mountain by a lake Posts: 2,023 Thanks: 563 Thanked 444 Times in 311 Posts	Some added more lead to paint When I was a kid working in Allen's hardware and paint (54-55 years ago), we sold lead to painters to add more to the paint for better durability. Yep added more lead to the paint. It was in liquid form and in a small can, some manufactures put in jars. __________________ There is nothing better than living on Alton Mountain & our grand kids visits.

06-20-2011, 07:58 PM	#6
waverunner09 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	EPA Lead law facts Just the facts: 1. The lead law comes into play when you disturb 6 square feet or more per room of painted surface or 20 square feet or more of painted exterior surface. 2. Any home built prior to 1978 must be assumed to have lead paint. 3. If you test for lead paint in your home and the test is positive, you are required to disclose that to any future buyers or renters. (think twice before testing) ref to #2 4. Local building depts. have no juristiction to enforce this law, only the EPA. 5. Power washing the exterior of your home falls under this law, as this act dislodges the loose paint. Plastic must be installed to catch not only the paint chips but also the water. Both the chips and the collected water must be disposed in accordance to the EPA regulations. 6. The "Opt-Out" provision was removed July 6 2010. You can no longer "Opt- Out" 7. Yes, it is true that a homeowner can do the work themselves. However, the minute a dollar exchanges hand (you paid a college kid, or out of work freind to help), the law takes effect. 8. The EPA website has a list of registered contractors, take the time to look and ask questions.

06-20-2011, 02:49 PM	#1
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,892 Thanks: 334 Thanked 1,673 Times in 584 Posts	I can understand your passion for that issue since you knew someone that was effected by it but it happens to be true that lead paint is not very high on anyones radar since it has been banned for so many years. I think you were out of line to use terms such as "idiotic" and "absurd" to discribe my point of view just because you disagree with me.And to say that I value "pride" over a post on the forum more than childrens health is a little over the top and is not in line with the tone of this forum. Not to hijack the thread,but aspartame is indeed a danger....which you could see for yourself if you would bother to reseach it.I had a family member who developed severe migraines.She lived a healthy lifestyle,good diet, excerise with no tobacco or alcohol use.....But she drank 4 Diet Cokes a day.After some reseach,I found that aspartame was developed as an ant poison and was denied approval for use in food by the FDA until some political wrangling took place. Bottom line...she gave up ther aspartame and the migraines disappeared. Google up "dangers of aspartame" and see for yourself.You may think it it's all baloney and that is your right, but there is no need to be insulting to make your point.

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06-20-2011, 03:19 PM	#2
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	The whole lead paint thing is frustrating because of the half hearted approach. Assuming this really is the scourge to children depicted and attested by BI anecdote then why such a weak response? I saw a This Old House episode maybe 20 years ago where they stripped and scraped lead paint off door jambs with chemical stripper and heat but stoped at 4 or 5 feet up the jamb, the belief was children would not reach any higher. Maybe five or ten years ago, on the same show, they wrapped the house in plastic, wrapped the worker in tyvek and sand blasted. Surely children haven't changed that much in the last ten years. BI be careful what you admit to, there is no statute of limitations on stuff like this. A co-worker was tried in a civil court by the federal goverment and found finacially liable for disposing of toxic material (lead solder) in the 70's. He disposed of the lead in a way that was legal in the 70's, but is illegal now, he still had to pay. When the goverment went after the toxic waste problem it went after the people profiting from the materials. This included the people making the waste and dumping it. Maybe they should do the same for lead paint, go after the people who profited from selling this poison. Not after some poor homeowner that bought an old house.

06-20-2011, 06:59 PM	#4
pops Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 82 Thanks: 24 Thanked 281 Times in 59 Posts	I had new windows installed in my very old house last fall. Our paint contained lead also. It was going to cost $75 per window because of the lead paint and the extra work of having to safely remove and dispose of the old windows. I asked the contractor if I could avoid the extra cost by removing the sashes myself. He checked with whoever is in charge of enforcing this law and found out it was legal for me to do it myself. I didn't even have to remove the windows just the just the two panels on each side of the window. Pop's

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06-21-2011, 04:26 AM	#7
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	Get rid of the EPA. We didn't have it in the 40's or 50's. and we had lots of wok in manufacturing companys. Too much government is too much.

06-21-2011, 06:27 AM	#8
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,704 Thanks: 751 Thanked 1,454 Times in 1,011 Posts	I couldn't agree more, Railroad Joe!

06-21-2011, 07:52 AM	#9
jmen24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 223 Thanked 319 Times in 181 Posts	Waverunner09, thanks for the clarification on the Opt-Out, you are correct. I will remove that item from my post above.

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