Bonehead captains are BAAAK

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

It accomplished nothing and in my opinion has made the lake less safe for all.

In the two fatality-free years since the Legislature's overwhelmingly official embracing of this rule, what is so terrible?

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

The only thing that WINNFABS accomplished was to reduce the amount of qualified boaters that navigate the lake. Laugh all you want, but I believe wholeheartedly that owners of performance boats are among the best captains on the lake.

Yup—Just ask them.

[NHBUOY]

Has any one else observed what my son and I have termed "willful, planned interference" by the sail and paddle crowd.?. While out sailing our 25' Catalina last week, we were just tacking around off Glendale with some other blow-boaters and witnessed this behavior towards powerboats.. We watched 2 sailboats that would "short-tack"/change course and speed to willfully interfere with any powerboat that had the audacity to try to hold a steady and direct course through "their" area..I have observed this with the kayakers too.. Funny how the other sailors would wave to us, but when we went back out later in the family Wellcraft, they didn't wave at us and "tried" to do the interference thing to us......

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

Has any one else observed what my son and I have termed "willful, planned interference" by the sail and paddle crowd.?. While out sailing our 25' Catalina last week, we were just tacking around off Glendale with some other blow-boaters and witnessed this behavior towards powerboats.. We watched 2 sailboats that would "short-tack"/change course and speed to willfully interfere with any powerboat that had the audacity to try to hold a steady and direct course through "their" area..I have observed this with the kayakers too.. Funny how the other sailors would wave to us, but when we went back out later in the family Wellcraft, they didn't wave at us and "tried" to do the interference thing to us......

I have not seen that kind of behavior very often. That said, when there's room, I pick a heading that sailboats and kayaks could never cross ahead of me no matter what they do anyway. I've also never had any issues with power boaters when I'm sailing, rowing or paddling, but I'm courteous.

[BroadHopper]

I witness a sailboat diverting the Sophie C off of Governors Island last week. Within minutes, the MP was there and pulled the sialboat over. I have no idea what that was about. As APS says, a sailboat can get in front of a commercial boat, the sailor has the right of way.

[jrc]

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

Has any one else observed what my son and I have termed "willful, planned interference" by the sail and paddle crowd.?...

Sunday I saw a lot of sail and kayak traffic in and around Gendale, I was in my power boat. Two kayaks we just sitting in the narrow spot between FL 53 and Pig Island. I thought for a minute that they were trying to stop or slow traffic, but my guess is they were just out having fun on a beautiful day.

I'm trying hard to give people the benefit of the doubt in situations like this. It's easier to believe that people are unaware that they are impeding me then to believe they are being malicious. I always have to work around someone in Smith Cove or Glendale, it's a crossroads.

If a coordianated effort to disrupt traffic was uncovered, that would be messy. The rules of the road do not allow boats to intentionally impede another vessel. This may be the lesson that Broadhopper's sailor learned.

NH RSA 270-D:2
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IX. Canoes, kayaks, rowboats, sailboats, and swimmers shall be given the right-of-way. This requirement shall not be construed to allow deliberate impediment of motorboats by canoes, kayaks, rowboats, sailboats, and swimmers.
...

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

In the two fatality-free years since the Legislature's overwhelmingly official embracing of this rule, what is so terrible?

fatality-free? There was a fatility at the beginning of the year! What's you beef?

What if Captain Pontoon with the dock lights on is a WinFabs member? What say you?

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

fatality-free? There was a fatility at the beginning of the year! What's you beef?

What if Captain Pontoon with the dock lights on is a WinFabs member? What say you?

Not long ago, a head on collision. But that was different, they were boats APS does not "go after". Thankfully, nobody died in that one.

A tremendous number of the WINfibs group don't even boat, much less use docking lights. They could care less about small time violations like NWZ's, 150' limit, wrong lights on, or no lights at all. They only care about who's near their lakeshore, rafters, people having fun, or those big bad boats. APS won't usually post anything about another boater unless it's a GFBL.

I hate to group them, because there are a lot of responsible boaters in every group. But as a whole, I've never witnessed the things I've seen pontoon boat drivers do in other craft.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

In the two fatality-free years since the Legislature's overwhelmingly official embracing of this rule, what is so terrible?


Yup—Just ask them.

I don't want to ask them or you for that matter. I want the factual data - then there's no question or subjectivity involved.
Just like the line from the movie Officer & a Gentlemen: "You can't handle the truth".

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I don't want to ask them or you for that matter. I want the factual data - then there's no question or subjectivity involved.
Just like the line from the movie Officer & a Gentlemen: "You can't handle the truth".

Wasn't that "A Few Good Men"?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Wasn't that "A Few Good Men"?

I stand corrected - thank you.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

What if Captain Pontoon with the dock lights on is a WinFabs member? What say you?

I'm delighted he doesn't have a thousand horsepower, and can't legally go over 45-MPH on Lake Winnipesaukee.

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I don't want to ask them or you for that matter. I want the factual data - then there's no question or subjectivity involved.

Just like the line from the movie Officer & a Gentlemen: "You can't handle the truth".

1) Your line is from a movie—based on fiction—where the character is caught in his own lies.

2) If anything, even experienced GFBL-Captains can't handle the "Hull Truth"—in ocean waters—from two days ago:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/northeas...sad-story.html

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

I'm delighted he doesn't have a thousand horsepower, and can't legally go over 45-MPH on Lake Winnipesaukee.


1) Your line is from a movie—based on fiction—where the character is caught in his own lies.

2) If anything, even experienced GFBL-Captains can't handle the "Hull Truth"—in ocean waters—from two days ago:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/northeas...sad-story.html

I could care less about the movie - or the story line, actors, plot, truth, lies, whatever. All I care about are the 5 important words: "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH". Period!

[gtagrip]

[QUOTE=Acres per Second;163480]I'm delighted he doesn't have a thousand horsepower, and can't legally go over 45-MPH on Lake Winnipesaukee.

But, it is O.K. to blind an oncoming boat with docking lights at night? Are you trying to say that this is not dangerous and that some type of fatality could not occur? Oh, that's right, you are O.K. with blinding other boates using your CD sun reflection technique! Geez! What a hypocrite!

[BroadHopper]

I think APS will be a perfect candidate for the Canterbury selectman position. He should move to Canterbury if he wants to do the region a favor.
He can join the fight to shut down NHMS and put a permanent road block on 106. The sign on 106 says it all 'Canterbury selectmen can kiss my a$$'

[AB_Monterey]

I passed a pontoon heading to Alton Bay, just past Little Mark, today about 6:30pm. As I passed him, I realized that he had 2 passengers sitting out in front while on plane with no life jackets.

I came upon marine patrol with a customer at the gazebo in AB and was hoping that the bonehead in the pontoon was heading in for the Saturday concert and that he'd catch him.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by AB_Monterey

I passed a pontoon heading to Alton Bay, just past Little Mark, today about 6:30pm. As I passed him, I realized that he had 2 passengers sitting out in front while on plane with no life jackets.

I came upon marine patrol with a customer at the gazebo in AB and was hoping that the bonehead in the pontoon was heading in for the Saturday concert and that he'd catch him.

Sitting outside the playpen or just in front seats?

I was in the area at that time on a pontoon but my passengers were inside and properly equipped. Mp was hiding behind the pavilion with binoculars spotting boats as they came around sandy point.

[AB_Monterey]

They were sitting outside the playpen (tried to say that but couldn't remember what to call it) and had no life jackets.

Even my passenger, who knows nothing about boating, looked at me in shock.

The MP had a PWC when I got there.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by gtagrip

Oh, that's right, you are O.K. with blinding other boaters using your CD sun reflection technique! Geez! What a hypocrite!

From MY point of view—barely moving, even being the stand-on boat—you don't see this skipper as someone to be concerned about?

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

From MY point of view—barely moving, even being the stand-on boat—you don't see this skipper as someone to be concerned about?

No

[Two dobys]

I don't see a reason to be worried

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

From MY point of view—barely moving, even being the stand-on boat—you don't see this skipper as someone to be concerned about?

If you're worried about that boat, you have no business being on the lake!

Dan

[ApS]

So now, I'm the bonehead captain?

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

So now, I'm the bonehead captain?

No, I would say that you are likely a good skipper. I think you are a bit paranoid, and overly sensitive to the transgressions by performance boats. I am comfortable boating on the Lake with you.

[codeman671]

From that distance, you can't tell what type of boat it is, how fast it is going, or anything about it other than its general direction. Probably a Thurston's or Anchor rental!

They were out this weekend... When we were pulling in on Saturday to the island we were passed by a boat pulling 2 tubes, each with 2 kids on it, and 1spotter in the boat!

Top that off with the excellent captain in the blue and white Formula (looked like a 310SS or 310BR with a metal arch) that just about ran my mooring (90 feet from shore) over at probably 60mph on Saturday trying to cut the corner inside a few family boats doing 15mph.

Not to be brand critical, but the WORST drivers I have seen lately have ALL been driving Formula's, and not Fastechs!

[VtSteve]

Good way to put it Vita.

APS, you have a wealth of information to offer, when you decide to provide it in a factual, thoughtful way. As Vita stated, I myself would expect you do be a very knowledgeable boater, and probably one of the most courteous as well. But your over the top condemnations center on such a small niche of the boating world, your selectivity makes it readily apparent you spin everything you sow.

There are aholes in every type of craft, and always will be. I probably agree with you in regards to certain "types" you describe, and have done so myself. But my deliveries are unbiased and nobody's in my pocket. You and I could probably have had a great time shaking our heads at what I witnessed from my anchored boat yesterday. Four completely different craft operated by some very vintage, stereotypical boneheads. All were breaking long-standing laws, all were completely apathetic to their surroundings and other boaters. I took some video to add to my collection.

Unlike some in the group that you many times align yourself with, I'm not going to lie to make a point. If they feel they must lie, perhaps they need to reassess their characters and motives, or simple get elected to Washington. It was precisely these types of actions that failed to address real problems early last decade that needed to be brought to the surface. Instead of dealing with real issues, you selfishly sought out a remedy that would make you guys feel better. Personally, I feel better when I'm around people that don't lie, but maybe that's just me.

You only go on this trip we call life once, theoretically anyway Why do it inside your own bubble?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by jrc

If a coordianated effort to disrupt traffic was uncovered, that would be messy. The rules of the road do not allow boats to intentionally impede another vessel. This may be the lesson that Broadhopper's sailor learned.

NH RSA 270-D:2
...
IX. Canoes, kayaks, rowboats, sailboats, and swimmers shall be given the right-of-way. This requirement shall not be construed to allow deliberate impediment of motorboats by canoes, kayaks, rowboats, sailboats, and swimmers.
...

1) We never discovered why Broadhopper's sailor was stopped: I suspect a neglect to register his sailboat—unless his sailboat doesn't require registration or numbers—as some "sailboats" are exempted by NH law. Sometimes, a "closer look" is necessary—followed by a warning.

In my case, it took a letter with documentation mailed to the NHMP Director, where my "sailboat" was exonerated from NH registration.

2) Perhaps nobody involved had learned sailing on "protected inland lakes"—where winds are typically flukey—and a crash-jibe had never been experienced by Broadhopper or the Marine Patrol officer!

Originally Posted by codeman671

From that distance, you can't tell what type of boat it is, how fast it is going, or anything about it other than its general direction.

1) All very true—a sketch would have been equally instructive—but look at what was just inferred

"I think you are a bit paranoid, and overly sensitive to the transgressions by performance boats.

2) Nobody commented that it's "general direction" is on a collision course to an occupied sailboat!

Originally Posted by VtSteve

APS, you have a wealth of information to offer, when you decide to provide it in a factual, thoughtful way.

I'm not very good at sketching—a photograph will have to do.

You're not registered at the "friendly" Wolfeboro forum, where several such photos appeared—I'm collecting those photos every day—and not just on weekends.

Originally Posted by VtSteve

But your over the top condemnations center on such a small niche of the boating world, your selectivity makes it readily apparent you spin everything you sow.

What appears invisible is my total support for small boats on protected inland waters: Except that the photo is of a powerboat, there is no telling what kind of boat is in the photo!

Originally Posted by VtSteve

There are aholes in every type of craft, and always will be. I probably agree with you in regards to certain "types" you describe, and have done so myself...You and I could probably have had a great time shaking our heads at what I witnessed from my anchored boat yesterday. Four completely different craft operated by some very vintage, stereotypical boneheads. All were breaking long-standing laws, all were completely apathetic to their surroundings and other boaters.

1) Do a search here, with the word "empathy", to find the many times I've described the boating trangressions you speak of.

If you begin your boating with a powerboat, you'll never develop empathy with the small boats that are everywhere on Lake Winnipesaukee—some are paddled by "tots".

2) When small boats or sailboats aren't being run-over by oversized boats, they're taking a beating from their wakes!

3) Sometime, look behind you: If your wake "crests" 100 yards behind you—particularly on the inside of a turn—you're a moving hazard to small boats, while you think you're operating "normally".

Originally Posted by VtSteve

You only go on this trip we call life once...Why do it inside your own bubble?

This particular "bubble" is particularly fragile.

[jrc]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

No, I would say that you are likely a good skipper. I think you are a bit paranoid, and overly sensitive to the transgressions by performance boats. I am comfortable boating on the Lake with you.

Are you so sure, he doesn't seem to understand that powerboats have steering. Any time a boat is pointed at him, he feels he is in danger, and feels he has the right to intentionally blind the boater. If any of his stories are true, he is a menace. Personally, I think he just likes to write weird stuff on the internet.

[BroadHopper]

I would assume you can sail you sailboat anywhere you want in the shipping lane North of FT Lauderdale. I'm sure that 1000 ton shipping tanker is going to vear off course to avoid you. You must be God.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by gtagrip

Oh, that's right, you are O.K. with blinding other boates using your CD sun reflection technique! Geez! What a hypocrite!

While shopping in Wolfeboro the other day I bumped into this guy. He said that he had spent most of the day on Lake looking for GFBL boats.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by gtagrip

But, it is O.K. to blind an oncoming boat with docking lights at night? Are you trying to say that this is not dangerous and that some type of fatality could not occur?

Blinding people with docking lights AT NIGHT indicates to me, that some skippers have ruined their own night vision with their own GPS—then proceed the night vision of other boaters.

Where are the "Safe Boaters" with a vision-test requirement—especially for the 2% of boaters born with nyctalopia?

Originally Posted by gtagrip

Oh, that's right, you are O.K. with blinding other boates using your CD sun reflection technique! Geez! What a hypocrite!

Oh NO! This picture shows I'm attempting to blind daytime boaters—reflecting The Sun!



NO, WAIT! I took the picture!

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Welcome back, Rusty.

I'd missed your latest contribution when I'd posted my previous message.

You haven't seen my Powerboat Excluder Device—Mk. II. It is just as effective as the Mk. I, but uses a mini-disk!

...but I hardly ever need to use it today—nearly every boater's been trained!