Speed Limits

[Islander]

Originally Posted by codeman671

...if you are so worried about your safety on Winni why do you want to kayak on Winni?

So Evenstar should go somewhere else so as not to get in the way of a GFBL?

Is personal freedom and the right of access only for fast boaters?

I guess you guys are missing the pioint. A speed limit will make kayaking SAFER in Winni!

[chase1]

Originally Posted by Islander

So Evenstar should go somewhere else so as not to get in the way of a GFBL?

Is personal freedom and the right of access only for fast boaters?

I guess you guys are missing the pioint. A speed limit will make kayaking SAFER in Winni!

Islander,
Any restriction could be argued to show safety improvements, including the restriction of Kayaks. (Would hate to see it - I have two)
The point is...Data does not show a speed limit will have an impact on Winnipesaukee safety, but it does show additional enforcement and education efforts will make all boating safer, in all NH waters.

My boating and tax dollars are not limited to Lake Winnipeasukee.

Chase1

[jeffk]

Originally Posted by Islander

So Evenstar should go somewhere else so as not to get in the way of a GFBL?

There are many areas on the lake (150 ft around all shoreline, shoal, coves, channels, ...) where it is not possible or desirable for larger boats to go at all, let alone to go fast. Those areas are completely open to smaller boats. However, Winni is also a BIG lake and has areas appropriate for other uses as well. In those areas the smaller boats will need to share the lake with larger, faster, and yes, potentially more dangerous boats. Kayaks and other small boats are looking for paths to stroll through the woods. Powered boats are looking for highways. It is not inherently "right" that all modes for travel be paths or all be highways. Both are needed. Most smaller lakes in NH have been designated as "paths". Where we tend, I think, to disagree is whether parts of the big lake are really highways and may be more dangerous for vessels that are looking for paths.

We don't play in roads because there is danger from cars, even though all the rules say that the cars should yield to pedestrians. We can walk along a road and walk across it (walkers have "access") but prudence says that we should minimize our time spent on a road to keep personal danger to a minimum (thus we have mall walkers ). And on the busiest highways we DO exclude walkers, bicyclists, and other smaller, slower modes of transport.

[codeman671]

Islander, if we want to get into the "you guys" stereotyping syndrome why are "you guys" being the speed limit proponents saying that the GFBL's are the only ones that Evenstar should stay away from??? The ones that are taking away your personal freedoms? Don't you think that there are plenty of other boats on the lake that can exceed the proposed speed limit? There are pontoon boats with outboards that can exceed 45mph and I am not talking about the ones with I/O's and thru-hull exhausts like the Manitou. My 21' fishing boat is capable of 53-55mph with a 225 optimax, does this make me a GFBL? I think not.

I never stated that Evenstar should take her kayak elsewhere. I do not see the lake as being a place dangerous enough where I would not want to kayak there myself. If she feels that threatened about her safety and bashes boaters in general why would she want to come to Winni at all? That was my question.

I do not think that the GFBL's are trying to force anyone off the lake, they are not trying to take away anyones liberties. However the speed limit proponents are.

[Great Idea]

OK Jarhead,

You can take me out in your 30fter and give me a lesson..... then I will take you out on my 48ft triple on the ocean ( where is belongs). Bring a clean diaper and your blanky because you'll need it. My opinion is narrow minded so that means yours is highly enlightened? Give me a break... its emotional rants like yours in response to counter opinions that turn people off to this site. Aggressive posting, aggressive boating perhaps? State your opinion and stop throwing stones. As for experience on Winni? I live on Winni and have spent 100's of hours on the water here since the mid 80's. Large go fasts require time and space in order to get up on plane. This presents a problem on busy weekends at Winni when the lake is busy. There are very few areas on the lake in which these boats can be used for their intended purpose. As for 4 or 5 boats Chase 1? Thats 4 or 5 AT A TIME, 4 or 5 across going by several times during the weekend. We can go on and on.... blah , blah.... the facts remain this.... Winni is becoming a congested area on weekends. Saftey during these times has become a concern. Measures will be taken to address the problem. A speed limit will most likely become PART of the changes considered to address the issue. Hopefully along with increased enforcement and eduction. We all agree that is the most important way of improving the situation. As I have said several times, I would love to avoid the speed limit however as boat usage and congestion on the lake increases its gonna happen.

[lake4life]

I agree that congestion is getting to be a problem.. it was once just a nuisance on holiday weekends, but I have been hoping it would plateau. Maybe NH could take a lesson from NY (not the speed limit part) and reserve more public land on the waterfront. I'm more concerned about preserving what makes the lake great than safety (as if boating were so dangerous).

I definitely think that the lake has something for everyone, whether they want to canoe between islands or throw a rooster-tail, but I also believe that there becomes a point when the sheer amount of congestion and commercial development ruins it. That being said, how about giving some more alternatives that would keep the lake enjoyable for the long-term (besides a bloody speed limit ) ?

[chase1]

Great Idea,

As for 4 or 5 boats Chase 1? Thats 4 or 5 AT A TIME, 4 or 5 across going by several times during the weekend

Sounds like you are in a great location................ Any homes for sale next door?

Seriously.

Chase1

[Rayhunt]

Originally Posted by Great Idea

OK Jarhead,

You can take me out in your 30fter and give me a lesson..... then I will take you out on my 48ft triple on the ocean ( where is belongs). Bring a clean diaper and your blanky because you'll need it. My opinion is narrow minded so that means yours is highly enlightened? Give me a break... its emotional rants like yours in response to counter opinions that turn people off to this site. Aggressive posting, aggressive boating perhaps? State your opinion and stop throwing stones. As for experience on Winni? I live on Winni and have spent 100's of hours on the water here since the mid 80's. Large go fasts require time and space in order to get up on plane. This presents a problem on busy weekends at Winni when the lake is busy. There are very few areas on the lake in which these boats can be used for their intended purpose. As for 4 or 5 boats Chase 1? Thats 4 or 5 AT A TIME, 4 or 5 across going by several times during the weekend. We can go on and on.... blah , blah.... the facts remain this.... Winni is becoming a congested area on weekends. Saftey during these times has become a concern. Measures will be taken to address the problem. A speed limit will most likely become PART of the changes considered to address the issue. Hopefully along with increased enforcement and eduction. We all agree that is the most important way of improving the situation. As I have said several times, I would love to avoid the speed limit however as boat usage and congestion on the lake increases its gonna happen.

Id realy like to see your 48 with triples ..What kind of boat is it?

[Great Idea]

Actually its a 47 Fountain Lightning with triple 525's...... does that qualify? lol. The Marina calls it a 48 plus due to some of the extra's on it so that I have to pay more to store it.... I used to have a 32 on Winni. It's too big for Winni so we use it on the ocean OFF SHORE.... you know the rest.

Chase 1 , are neighbors have been around for 20 plus years and I expect their family's to stay on but I will keep my ears open for you. Have a great summer guys. This thread is worn out..... Hey we have fun in our slow Winni boat(s) too!!!!

[Rayhunt]

Originally Posted by Great Idea

Actually its a 47 Fountain Lightning with triple 525's...... does that qualify? lol. The Marina calls it a 48 plus due to some of the extra's on it so that I have to pay more to store it.... I used to have a 32 on Winni. It's too big for Winni so we use it on the ocean OFF SHORE.... you know the rest.

Chase 1 , are neighbors have been around for 20 plus years and I expect their family's to stay on but I will keep my ears open for you. Have a great summer guys. This thread is worn out..... Hey we have fun in our slow Winni boat(s) too!!!!

So you have a 47 fountain with triples ..Lets see a pic ?
Nice input PBR

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Great Idea

Actually its a 47 Fountain Lightning with triple 525's...... does that qualify? lol. The Marina calls it a 48 plus due to some of the extra's on it so that I have to pay more to store it.... I used to have a 32 on Winni. It's too big for Winni so we use it on the ocean OFF SHORE.... you know the rest.

Chase 1 , are neighbors have been around for 20 plus years and I expect their family's to stay on but I will keep my ears open for you. Have a great summer guys. This thread is worn out..... Hey we have fun in our slow Winni boat(s) too!!!!

For some reason,I am not buying the 47 Fountain story

[jarhead]

Originally Posted by Great Idea

OK Jarhead,

You can take me out in your 30fter and give me a lesson..... then I will take you out on my 48ft triple on the ocean ( where is belongs). Bring a clean diaper and your blanky because you'll need it. My opinion is narrow minded so that means yours is highly enlightened? Give me a break... its emotional rants like yours in response to counter opinions that turn people off to this site. Aggressive posting, aggressive boating perhaps? State your opinion and stop throwing stones. As for experience on Winni? I live on Winni and have spent 100's of hours on the water here since the mid 80's. Large go fasts require time and space in order to get up on plane. This presents a problem on busy weekends at Winni when the lake is busy. There are very few areas on the lake in which these boats can be used for their intended purpose. As for 4 or 5 boats Chase 1? Thats 4 or 5 AT A TIME, 4 or 5 across going by several times during the weekend. We can go on and on.... blah , blah.... the facts remain this.... Winni is becoming a congested area on weekends. Saftey during these times has become a concern. Measures will be taken to address the problem. A speed limit will most likely become PART of the changes considered to address the issue. Hopefully along with increased enforcement and eduction. We all agree that is the most important way of improving the situation. As I have said several times, I would love to avoid the speed limit however as boat usage and congestion on the lake increases its gonna happen.

Throwing stones who did that ?well at least i'm not calling some one a baby.I have reread your posts on this topic,wich is the only thing you have ever posted on , and find it hard to believe any of it .What will a speed limit do that more funding for education and enforcment won't do.My 30' GFNL planes out in under 5 seconds , runs wot mid 70's and handles well at speed so your visibilty argument doesn't apply.I would be more than happy to show you sometime , but somehow doubt that by returning the favor you will scare me.I'm not ranting just telling it like it is.Give me some facts on speed and i'll shut up. I don't rate my opinion that high but atleast it doesn't infringe on others rights.

[Paugus Bay Resident]

First off, the discussion is a law limiting the speed to 45 mph, not "90 plus." A lot of boats on the lake are capable of exceeding that and do not have speedometers.

Huh? First off, there are very (very) few boats on this lake capable of speeds in excess of 90. Please define your definition of a lot.

I have a 33' with HP500s (470 HP each) and on a good day, it will top out at 72 (GPS). It spends most of it's "cruising" time at 3,500 RMP which equals out to about 45 - 48. Only time I tend to open it up is during the middle of the week when most everyone has gone home.

In terms of speedos, where did you get that factoid? I have never seen a HP boat without a speedo. Most have GPS (for accurate speed measurements) as well.

Large go fasts require time and space in order to get up on plane. This presents a problem on busy weekends at Winni when the lake is busy

Don't know about your's, but when conditions warrant it, I drop my k-planes and am on plan with virtually no bow-rise.

Also, one thing that bugs me are posts were people say "I was buzzed at 50, 60, or whatever". I doubt most people can tell the difference between 45 and 60 (especially on the water). Heck, most people don't even know how long 150 feet is

I keep sensing that there is another agenda here, other than speed (MHO).

Let the debate go one, but lets try to keep it rational, factual and unemotional.

OK, I'm done.

[trfour]

Keep em honest!

[jarhead]

Originally Posted by Islander

So Evenstar should go somewhere else so as not to get in the way of a GFBL?

Is personal freedom and the right of access only for fast boaters?

I guess you guys are missing the pioint. A speed limit will make kayaking SAFER in Winni!

I think you should read codemans post again what part did he say don't come to winni.I ask you a question is the personal freedom and right to access the lake only for kayaking? NO !!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS FOR ALL TYPES OF PEOPLE AND BOATS !!!!!! What some of you SL suporters can't seem to get thru your skulls is the lake is for everyone not just yourselves . You provide no facts just ramblings of personal acounts that make absolutly no sense to anyone but yourselves. What is next for some of you, large diplacement boats , pwc's, skiers and wakeboarders, what. YOU START WITH THE MINORITY ON THE LAKE AND GO FROM THERE I GEUSS.Lake winni is lake winni that's the way it is if you don't like it leave that's the beauty of this country , freedom to do as you will.Obviously without harming others. What kills me is why people want to be sheep and be told how to everything.Stop putting blame and trying to tell people what to do and just enjy the lake for what it is.