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Old 12-11-2011, 08:54 AM   #1
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I disagree that a pro can get past any system. Frontpoint makes a system that has a battery pack and built in cell phone. It operates a little differently than some of the others. When a sensor is tripped, it calls immediately and only the password can stop it. Others have a time lapse before calling as they wait for the password so a bad guy can smash the control box if he knows where it is.
With Frontpoint, you can cut all the wires, smash the box and it still calls and starts the siren and flashing lights within 30 seconds.
Don't really know how you'd get around that but maybe someone can figure it out.
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I disagree that a pro can get past any system. Frontpoint makes a system that has a battery pack and built in cell phone. It operates a little differently than some of the others. When a sensor is tripped, it calls immediately and only the password can stop it. Others have a time lapse before calling as they wait for the password so a bad guy can smash the control box if he knows where it is.
With Frontpoint, you can cut all the wires, smash the box and it still calls and starts the siren and flashing lights within 30 seconds.
Don't really know how you'd get around that but maybe someone can figure it out.
Cell service hammers are already pretty common in the realm of even semi-pro thieves. I can't give out specific details, but a couple of banks have been dealing with some hits on ATM locations where thieves are jamming the cellphone dialers.

The closest thing to impenetrable in a consumer or mid to high end system right now is a constantly monitored system where the remote CS can get an alert if the comms are interrupted for any reason.

Your system also doesn't add much value to the smash and grab events. It's amazing how long 3 minutes is. Also, that system is going to trip with EVERY entry by the homeowner. So, there is already going to be a delay from the CS in terms of handling the alarm, so the first 30 seconds is still 'free'. Then 1 minute for event handling. 45 seconds to relay the alarm to the local police, then 3-20 minutes for action from the Police, that is if they still respond without video verified events.

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If you're doing a smash and grab in 3 minutes.........you're going to be an awful nervous crook with a 120 db siren and flashing blue strobe going off outside for all the neighbors to see..........forgot to mention....neighbors have carry permits and don't like thieves.
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If nobody knows how your system works, then it makes it extremely hard to counter all the possible technologies out there. Its well known that ATMs use cell backup, but there are other backup techniques out there, I have used them.

Smash and grab, how about a couple of these around your house/store/etc ) Not pet friendly
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If nobody knows how your system works, then it makes it extremely hard to counter all the possible technologies out there. Its well known that ATMs use cell backup, but there are other backup techniques out there, I have used them.

Smash and grab, how about a couple of these around your house/store/etc ) Not pet friendly
The automatic pepper sprays, fogs, etc. are lawsuit magnets in the US.
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If you're doing a smash and grab in 3 minutes.........you're going to be an awful nervous crook with a 120 db siren and flashing blue strobe going off outside for all the neighbors to see..........forgot to mention....neighbors have carry permits and don't like thieves.
The sirens and strobes are not as distracting as you think they are. The neighbors can't legally do much either unless the thieves come across their property.

Don't mistake what I'm saying... A burg panel is a cheap deterrent, just don't assume it is more of a barrier than it really is.
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