Boat vs Pontoon

[crowsnest]

Originally Posted by Grandpa Redneck

While I cant say much about the std V-hull boats as I only had a small 15 ft fishing boat for 1 summer, I highly recommend a Pontoon, we have had 3 and love them. As was said earlier they are a great stable platform , Grandama Redneck has a bum knee and hated the fishing boat because it rocked too much when she tried to move around bothering her knee. She has no problem with the Toon. Its kinda like your living room on the water plenty of room to move around. We ski and tube behind our current toon A 22 foot Premier 225 Sunsation LTD PTX(tripple log performance series) with a 150 merc Optimax (thanks Matt Galvin & Winnisquam Marine!!!). It is truly a BLAST to drive. We never tried skiing on our previous toons, but the one before this we did tube with it alot, another Premier 225 Sunsation Ltd only a 2 log with a 90 merc on it, It tubed quite well.
In my opinion as well as many of the people I know a Toon is the most versatile boat available, great for entertaining family and friends, for fishing, skiing, tubing, cruising, or just lounging around.
I would suggest talking to the folks at Winnisquam Marine, they have gone out of their way to make sure we got what we needed and wanted in a toon. The very knowledgeabl sales dept treated us Great before and after the sale and the Service has been excellent as well, They also sell V hulls and I am sure they would be happy to discuss the pro's and con's of both with you.

We started with a 18 bow rider went to a 26 crownline (cabin) back to a 22 cuddy then to a 24 Premier sunsation with 2 toons with a 115 merc. We liked the pontoon boat the best so we got a enclosure for it to get out of the weather and (I still have and is for sale brand new used once). we liked that so much in july of this year we bought a premeir 225 Sunsation ltd ptx triple toon with a 150 just like Grandparedneck from Matt @ winnisquam marine. We liked that one so much in august of this year we traded up to the Premeir 24.5 Grand Isle with a 225 merc. WE have had a few boats over the years and I like the Pontoons for the lake (Hey Grandparedneck if Matt told you the boat you have was only used for about 6 weeks it was mine nice toon !!)

[MikeF-NH]

I have been boating Winni for about 7 years now in my 16 ft aluminum with a 40 HP and will absolutely disagree that it's inappropriate for the Broads BUT you have to be smart about it. When winds exceed 10-15 mph, it will get rough quck out there and the waves will grow quickly. An ex-marine friend of mine who ran small water craft in some of the toughest waters of the world, said he's had days on the Broads that have made him cringe. Point being, the boat is 1/2 the equation, common sense is the other 1/2. Given what I've seen my boat do and pontoons in the 17-18 foot range do on the Broads, I would much rather be in a v-hull anything than a toon when things get nasty out there. Of course the advantage to the toon in the case bad things happening, is it can flip over and still be floating and is "self bailing" in that it won't hold any water.

Once you've decided to be smart about how and when to handle the Broads, I would then take them out of the equation and just stay clear when winds kick up and stay in Moultonboro Bay or at least on the Moultonboro side of Long Island/Cow Island....plenty to explore in that water. With that in mind, I would begin asking yourself "what will I be using the boat for mostly". The toon is a far superior "pleasure craft" in comfort, accessibility and stability to a v-hull and most will come with a bimini which can't be understated in hot mid-summer sun. It's a great swim platform for rafting and, assuming you get enough motor, should be good for pulling skiers and tubers.

If you are going to fish (other than trolling), I would probably head toward a v-hull with a bow mount trolling motor. There are many "fish and ski" models around but might be hard to find in your budget.

If you are going to try many different water bodies with questionable ramps, a larger toon might be less flexible in this regard. Also if you go anything fibergalss, you really don't want to "beach it" as you will quickly wear the gel coat...in this case, aluminum (toon or v-hull) is the trick.

Go to some shows this winter. Surf craigs list. Check the marinas (last). Take your time and get the craft that meets your needs. The boat that is best for you is not necessary what is best for each responder on this thread. Think about flexibility and limitations of each design. make sure your motor is reliable (don't want to be paddling back to the ramp).

Finally, get your boaters safety class done and your certificate earned NOW. The education is important and required just like a car license. Be smart when starting out. Stay in calmer bays, learn out to take wakes and waves, take your time around markers so you really understand ATON. Understand not only what is required of you but what is not required but is courteous. Pick up a Bizer map of Winni...keep it on board.

Don't be afraid of the Broads (respect them) but go out on them for the first time in a flat calm morning to get a feel for how long it takes to get from one safe harbor to another. Learn what Middle Ground Shoals is "the easy way not the hard way". Know where the Graveyard is and the Witches is (if heading to Weirs).

[Kamper]

Originally Posted by MikeF-NH

I have been boating Winni for about 7 years now in my 16 ft aluminum with a 40 HP and will absolutely disagree that it's inappropriate for the Broads BUT you have to be smart about it. ...

That's pretty much what I've been using too. The lake starts to get choppy after 10-11am once people wake up and start tearing around. It calms down again around 4pm-ish when they go back to their docks or the ramp. Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday are usually not so bad as the extended weekend days. Since the wind blows from north to south, and picks up after noon, you should expect to run slower on the Broads if you are heading north in a small boat when it gets blustery because the chop kicks up pretty good.

[Grandpa Redneck]

Originally Posted by crowsnest

We started with a 18 bow rider went to a 26 crownline (cabin) back to a 22 cuddy then to a 24 Premier sunsation with 2 toons with a 115 merc. We liked the pontoon boat the best so we got a enclosure for it to get out of the weather and (I still have and is for sale brand new used once). we liked that so much in july of this year we bought a premeir 225 Sunsation ltd ptx triple toon with a 150 just like Grandparedneck from Matt @ winnisquam marine. We liked that one so much in august of this year we traded up to the Premeir 24.5 Grand Isle with a 225 merc. WE have had a few boats over the years and I like the Pontoons for the lake (Hey Grandparedneck if Matt told you the boat you have was only used for about 6 weeks it was mine nice toon !!)

Crowsnest, we got our PTX in the fall of 2010, it was one of their 2010 rental fleet. Matt and the crew @ Winnisquam are definately great to deal with!!! and the Premier PTX package is AWSOME!!!!!

[jrc]

It all depends on where and how you want to boat. If you want to launch at States Landing and pull a skier around Moultonboro Bay, a small 17' runabout will be great. You will have a blast.

With something less than 20 feet you can still explore the lake including the broads but you have to be careful. The broads are nasty when there is a strong north wind. There are days when anything short of the Mt Washington will give you a rough or wet ride. You also want to avoid the Weirs Beach and channel area on a busy summer weekend.

I never owned a pontoon so I can't add any value on that decision. But one word of advice, if you plan to explore and be away from your home port, you need a bathroom. Otherwise you and the boys may go, but forget the women.

I recommend the opposite approach, jump right in, get a boat you can easily afford and give it a try. I promise that whatever research you do, you will need to change boats in a few years or get out of boating. You can't learn to own a boat without owning a boat.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Grandpa Redneck

Crowsnest, we got our PTX in the fall of 2010, it was one of their 2010 rental fleet. Matt and the crew @ Winnisquam are definately great to deal with!!! and the Premier PTX package is AWSOME!!!!!

If memory serves me correct Matt left winnisquam in the spring of 2011, just after I took delivery of my ptx with a 250 pro xs.

The original post mentioned a $4k budget which may be tough if you want something that can run the lake in all conditions. A pontoon will certainly give you plenty of space. Being that you would have to stay with a twin tube look for a 24'. I have picked up some decent ones in the past in the $5-7k range.

[NHBUOY]

At Winnisquam Marine, ask for Kevin Dubia. He is the guy you want to talk to in sales there now. Fun place to do business.

[Grandpa Redneck]

Originally Posted by codeman671

If memory serves me correct Matt left winnisquam in the spring of 2011, just after I took delivery of my ptx with a 250 pro xs.

Codeman671, Matt is still there, We saw to him in November when we dropped ours off for the winter.

[secondcurve]

While I agree that using one's head helps avoid problems in a small boat there are times when things change quickly leaving even the most experienced boater exposed to difficult conditions. There have been many times when I have left one end of the lake to go to the other in perfectly calm conditions only to return several hours later in heavy chop. Thus, the need to have the right boat is critical on a lake like Winnipesaukee, in my opinion.

[crowsnest]

Originally Posted by codeman671

If memory serves me correct Matt left winnisquam in the spring of 2011, just after I took delivery of my ptx with a 250 pro xs.

The original post mentioned a $4k budget which may be tough if you want something that can run the lake in all conditions. A pontoon will certainly give you plenty of space. Being that you would have to stay with a twin tube look for a 24'. I have picked up some decent ones in the past in the $5-7k range.

He sent me a Christmas card he is still there. great people to deal with
Have you seen the 31 Premeir entertainer with the bar

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by crowsnest

He sent me a Christmas card he is still there. great people to deal with
Have you seen the 31 Premeir entertainer with the bar

Yeah, that that boat is wild...I like the twin engine 27' that is on the lake.

Who was the tall guy in sales then? Chris? Whomever it was they left right after. I only deal with Ryan, and he has been great. Best buying and after sale experience out of any of the dealers in the area that I have had.

[crowsnest]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Yeah, that that boat is wild...I like the twin engine 27' that is on the lake.

Who was the tall guy in sales then? Chris? Whomever it was they left right after. I only deal with Ryan, and he has been great. Best buying and after sale experience out of any of the dealers in the area that I have had.

I think it was Chris he left last year. I think that leaves ED Julie Ryan Matt and Kevin. I would not buy any where else. Service is second to none

[Grandpa Redneck]

Originally Posted by crowsnest

I think it was Chris he left last year. I think that leaves ED Julie Ryan Matt and Kevin. I would not buy any where else. Service is second to none

I whole heartedly agree, when we were shopping for our boat, we looked at several other places before we stopped at Winnisquam. We really liked some of the other toons but did not like the attitude at the other dealers. Winnisquam was a great experience, before and after the sale, they really treated us great. The whole crew there is always pleasant to deal with.

[AB_Monterey]

Does anyone else think that a $4000 boat will end up costing a lot more in the long run?

I understand that a budget is a budget but be very careful and have anything you're interested in checked out throughly prior to purchase.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by AB_Monterey

Does anyone else think that a $4000 boat will end up costing a lot more in the long run?

I understand that a budget is a budget but be very careful and have anything you're interested in checked out throughly prior to purchase.

Yes, I do. I think that for the size boat that Peter is looking for, you may find a boat but I would be very leary of the motor. Not saying there isn't a chance of finding something, just with the budget constraints it will be extremely hard. Your advice of having it checked thoroughly is spot on. I will only add that the person checking it should be someone competent and well respected in the industry.

Dan

[pcmc]

I would like to thank each and everyone of you for taking the time and sharing your knowledge.
My THANKYOU option vanished on post #16, so I want to keep the Thankyou's coming.

So many scenarios to consider. The mention of spending more in the long run on maintaining the boat vs spending up now is on my mind. My thinking for now is to try to stay in the 4k price range and try to find a cared for machine. If disaster strikes I will be able to make some repairs. If I throw 3k more at it now, I will still be buying an approximately 10 yr old boat. That concerns me because its 10yrs of who knows what type of care, BUT its also could be a 10 yr newer craft. So my head keeps juggling these thoughts back and forth.

Can anyone recommend an experienced boat tech that will travel the area to do a PPI?(
pre purchase inspection).....the area being the Lakes Region and possibly to Southern NH.
Again Thankyou to each and everyone here.
Peter

[Grandpa Redneck]

Peter, you may want to check with Winnisquam Marine they do usually have several used or brokerage boats in your price range, and the used ones will have a warranty on them for at least 60 days and usually untill january of the following year.

Just something to think about.

[diz]

Originally Posted by Grandpa Redneck

Peter, you may want to check with Winnisquam Marine they do usually have several used or brokerage boats in your price range, and the used ones will have a warranty on them for at least 60 days and usually untill january of the following year.

Just something to think about.

For what it's worth, I bought my boat there last year. I am very happy with their sales and service staff.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by diz

For what it's worth, I bought my boat there last year. I am very happy with their sales and service staff.

I also bought a boat at Winnisquam and agree the staff, attitude, etc. are second to none I have come across in the boating world.

[NoBozo]

I don't recommend NOVICES buy a BIG boat to start. A BIG boat would be over 20 feet. (What happens in The Broads is Totally IRRELEVANT)

When children are learning to SAIL..they don't start out in a J-24. They start out in a Optimist or Mirror Dinghy. Around eight feet or less. After you can handle a small sailboat...THEN it may be time to Graduate to a larger boat.

Let me explain: A Small boat reacts very quickly to changing conditions...the junior skipper will learn to react quickly to adapt to the new conditions. If the young skipper doesn't adapt..he will go swimming. Skill is a developed sence that comes with experience.

Lets try this: The airline pilot that you flew with last, did NOT take his first flying lessons... in a 737. He probably started out in a Cessna.

You start out small and work your way up. There are NO shortcuts. NB

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by NoBozo

I don't recommend NOVICES buy a BIG boat to start. A BIG boat would be over 20 feet. (What happens in The Broads is Totally IRRELEVANT)

When children are learning to SAIL..they don't start out in a J-24. They start out in a Optimist or Mirror Dinghy. Around eight feet or less. After you can handle a small sailboat...THEN it may be time to Graduate to a larger boat.

Let me explain: A Small boat reacts very quickly to changing conditions...the junior skipper will learn to react quickly to adapt to the new conditions. If the young skipper doesn't adapt..he will go swimming. Skill is a developed sence that comes with experience.

Lets try this: The airline pilot that you flew with last, did NOT take his first flying lessons... in a 737. He probably started out in a Cessna.

You start out small and work your way up. There are NO shortcuts. NB

I must disagree with this. When I was teaching my wife how to operate and navigate I can tell you it was a LOT easier in a 22' Eastern than it would of been in a 12', 14', or 16' Alumacraft with a tiller handle motor. Learning how to dock or operate either of these boats will take the same amount of time. Learning to navigate the lake safely will take much longer and will only come with experience but it will be the same in either boat and I would much rather see her in the Eastern than a smaller, less stable boat that does not handle chop as well...

I am not sure why you think a smaller boat would react quicker to conditions... If the wind and swells pick up, turn the wheel or tiller handle and head to safe port. Where is the reaction time difference?? As a mater of fact again in this circumstance I would rather be in the larger boat, but again no difference in reaction time...

Your comparison of an airline pilot starting out in a Cessna instead of a 737 is an exagerated extreme that really isn't relevant. Kinda like comparing a rowboat to the mount... When were talking 16' or 24' boats, both are considered small crafts...

Happy New Year!

Dan

[pcmc]

Regarding the last two posts...I can appreciate nobozo's words of caution.
If I interpret him correctly, I see it as a larger boat may give a false sense of security if conditions are worse, then a larger boat may lead on, due to its "slower" bobbing up and down and stability. Where a smaller craft will toss me around and give an earlier, tell tale warning to turn back, before I get deeper into a troubled situation. Thats how I interperate the "quicker reaction".

Ishoot308, I agree I would rather have the larger boat for saftey sake, but "the broads" is an area I have only heard people speak of, I have never been there. I may never venture that far, who knows. I definatly don't want to get into a boat I feel intimidated by it when I need to dock it or load it onto a trailer.

An embarrassing novice question....Why is every American made vehicle left hand drive, but boats are right hand drive, just wondering???

[pcmc]

Another factor that weighs in for us...my wife does not handle hot sun well for long periods.

Do bimini tops offer adequate protection on a bowrider.

On toons they seem to cover the entire boat, Are they a one man job or is a helper needed to put them up?

I hate to do this,... way back jrc mentioned a bathroom for the women...
...urgh, something else I never thought of, LOL!, it sure makes me laugh though. We like the bowrider style so this will probably not change things, but how would you praise the benefit of a cuddy.
It seems great to get out of the weather except the driver, but does this area get hot and hold the heat.
Do you wish there was more floor area, considering a 17'-20' boat?
Maybe you like this style better for storage reasons?
I'm curious because I think my boys(7&9 yrs old) would want to be up in the seats and things would get crowded rather quick, even without having company with us. Any thoughts?

[NoBozo]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I am not sure why you think a smaller boat would react quicker to conditions..... Dan

It actually takes more skill to SAIL a small dinghy across the Broads in a breeze than a J-24 or a Tartan 30. If you think about it for a minute..In the 8 foot sailing dinghy, if you are not paying total attention to what you are doing, a gust of wind (Sailors call it a Puff), OR a wave of a different size or character hits the boat, it will capsize the boat if you are day dreaming. In an 8 foot dinghy, you also must be "nimble' ...knowing when and how to move your body around the boat to Prevent Capsize.

The US Coast Guard Accadamy teaches their cadets to Sail dinghys first. Then they learn to Sail larger boats. Then they go on a Short Cruise on the CG Barque EAGLE (@ 295 feet). Then the next year on a Long Cruise aboard Eagle. All this "Sailing" experience...so they can ultimately command a Big Azz power boat. Happy New Year to you also 308.

BTW: You should TRY sailing an 8 foot dinghy in a good (whitecaps) breeze. It builds character..

[pcmc]

Jrc, I'm with you on the importance of a bathroom. I wasn't joking to poke fun or at your expense. What made me chuckle was thinking about our comutes to the lake from CT. We never seem to make it "with doors closed", we always have to stop for one reason or another. Out on the lake I can just imagine my wife trying to get me to pull over, at which point I would probably bust a gut laughing. I appreciate the be prepared attitudes.
We definitely have plenty to learn and you have all been a huge help.

[Resident 2B]

Originally Posted by pcmc

I would like to thank each and everyone of you for taking the time and sharing your knowledge.
My THANKYOU option vanished on post #16, so I want to keep the Thankyou's coming.

You get 5 new "thank yous" each day.

Good luck with your decision. Painful fun!

R2B

[Greene's Basin Girl]

Peter-
I am planning on buying a triple toon this spring. NhEscape and myself are going to the New England Boat Show ( Feb. 11-19, 2012 ) to view all brands. That is where i want to start my search. I will also consider everyone opinion's from the forum before purchasing. I will only consider a 22'-24' or above. as many have mentioned- the broads can be very rough.

[Cmjn98]

My family's first boat on the lake was a 1993 Four Winns 210 Horizon and the boat is absolutely spectacular. W bought it at Irwin marine from their dealer Alan Lydiard and he is now the first person we ask when it comes to buying a new boat. We bought the boat in 2008 for the extraordinary price of $6,500. we still have the boat but we realized it was a bit small and uncomfortable. So we went back to Al and he showed us a 1996 sea ray 280 Br that we currently own as of July 2011 and we absolutely love it as well. so i strongly recommend that you go to Al Lydiard of Irwin marine in Laconia, He'll give you a great price and treat you right!

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by pcmc

I would like to thank each and everyone of you for taking the time and sharing your knowledge.
My THANKYOU option vanished on post #16, so I want to keep the Thankyou's coming.

So many scenarios to consider. The mention of spending more in the long run on maintaining the boat vs spending up now is on my mind. My thinking for now is to try to stay in the 4k price range and try to find a cared for machine. If disaster strikes I will be able to make some repairs. If I throw 3k more at it now, I will still be buying an approximately 10 yr old boat. That concerns me because its 10yrs of who knows what type of care, BUT its also could be a 10 yr newer craft. So my head keeps juggling these thoughts back and forth.

Can anyone recommend an experienced boat tech that will travel the area to do a PPI?(
pre purchase inspection).....the area being the Lakes Region and possibly to Southern NH.
Again Thankyou to each and everyone here.
Peter

I would recommend Matt at Supreme Marine for a PPI. Ed Malen with Signature as well. Both work mobile.