A bunch of pigs!

Jonas Pilot · 11-28-2011, 06:44 PM

NH's invasion of the wild pigs.

I wonder if this will ever effect us up here in the Lakes Region.

Nationally, documented feral swine populations are on the rise. No other states directly surrounding New Hampshire have documented feral swine populations; the state started seeing reports of feral swine about 1985.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS01/711289958

upthesaukee · 11-28-2011, 07:15 PM

While living in Louisiana from 1974 to 1981, I did a lot of deer hunting in NW LA. The area we hunted was hundreds of acres and besides being great deer hunting, it also had a lot of feral pigs. They would root around and drive you crazy while sitting on a deer stand. Had a few come in close to me, but never did get a shot off.

They did not come down into the cities, but the digging they did in the woods was remarkable. Not that my lawn up here is that great, but I certainly hope they do not make it to Alton.

SIKSUKR · 12-01-2011, 10:35 AM

That probably explains why there are 2 reality shows on wild hogs!

TOAD · 12-01-2011, 05:00 PM

Southeastern NH....means Mass and Vermont too...unless pigs obey state border lines.

On another forum a member stated that he had seen some while deer hunting once and has talked with other hunters that have bagged a couple in that area.

I've heard they are great culinary fair.

Grant · 12-02-2011, 02:57 PM

Actually, I believe the pig problem in NH pre-dates 1985 by a long shot.

After spending a few weeks backpacking the Great Smoky Mountains in NC & Tennessee during college (we made it a spring break ritual), I became interested in the pigs. There's a very large population in the Smokies. North Florida has a ton as well. Anyway, while doing a little reading on the subject I learned that the three big concentrations in the U.S. were in the Smokies, north Florida, and a pocket in west-central New Hampshire.

In NH, like other locations, they are believed to have descended from European wild boars that were imported specifically for private hunting reserves - perhaps as long ago as the 1800s. Predictably, some were not killed, and later migrated, mated with domestic swine, and established a population.

According to one site I just found in a quick search...

"The First 'Pure Russian' wild boars were brought into the US by Austin Corbin. They were released into a 20,000 acre enclosure in Sullivan County New Hampshire in 1890.'

And the State of Wisconsin's DNR site had the following:

History of Feral Pigs in America
Domestic pigs were introduced from Europe to the Americas by Spanish explorers. Over time, some pigs escaped or were intentionally released into the wild. Subsequently, free-ranging, feral populations established themselves on American soil.

In 1893, 50 feral pigs from Germany's Black Forest were released on a hunting preserve in New Hampshire's Blue Mountains. Later, in 1910 and 1912, Russian wild boars were released on a North Carolina preserve near the Tennessee border. Russian wild boars were released again in 1925 near Monterey, California and a few years later on Santa Cruz Island. Some of these transplants escaped from the hunting preserves. Many of their offspring bred with feral descendants of domestic pigs.

Today, feral pigs and hybrids of the Russian wild boars are found in 23 states with the possibility of yet-undiscovered populations in several more states. The largest populations are in the coastal states surrounding the Gulf of Mexico and California (not surprising, since Spanish explorers settled these territories). Feral pigs are found chiefly in western North Carolina, eastern Tennessee, West Virginia and, in California, on Santa Cruz Island and Monterey and San Luis Obispo counties. Small numbers of pigs are found in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Vermont, Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina and Texas.

In locations where feral pigs have more recently been discovered it is likely that these "run-wild" individuals are the result of unintentional escapes from domestic swine facilities, escapes or releases from game farms, or illegal stocking. Biologists estimate the nationwide population of feral pigs to be around four million animals.

At any rate, I can't remember where I first read all of this, but it might've been a local paper. I have a cousin in North Florida who used to hunt the wild pigs down there -- kinda the red neck version of the fox hunt, using pit bulls and pickup trucks and rifles. They're quite tasty, actually.

As for reproductive capabilities, once a sow reaches breeding age at 7 or 8 months of age they can be responsible for 1,000 plus feral swine in a five-year period.

With this in mind, perhaps we should find a way to increase that mountain lion population...

RailroadJoe · 12-02-2011, 03:20 PM

During the hurricane of 1938 the fence around Corbin Park in Cornish got pushed down in a few places. The wild pigs escaped and tore the heck out of the farmers corn fields. My ex father-in-law sued and got reimbursed by the state of NH.

His property boarded the park, still there as a private hunting preserve.

beagle · 12-02-2011, 03:55 PM

the magazine of nh fish and game dept. had an article last month about them. i think it stated that des would like reports of any sightings. you can probably read the article on the des website: http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wild...nal/WJ_mag.htm

Jonas Pilot · 12-02-2011, 08:30 PM

I've seen them on one of my road trips across the south in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida. All were dead along the road. I think I first noticed them in Tennessee though I wasn't sure what they were until it dawned on me in 'Bama.

Grant · 12-06-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonas Pilot

I've seen them on one my road trips across the south in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida. All were dead along the road. I think I first noticed them in Tennessee though I wasn't sure what they were until it dawned on me in 'Bama.

What a horrible waste of pork product.

secondcurve · 12-07-2011, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonas Pilot

I've seen them on one of my road trips across the south in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida. All were dead along the road. I think I first noticed them in Tennessee though I wasn't sure what they were until it dawned on me in 'Bama.

They are considered varmints down south and typically they carry lots of diseases. My friend was in Texas last week and he was shooting these varmints since all other hunting seasons were closed. I asked about the meat and he said because of the disease they just toss them on the side of the road for the buzzards.

anthonyrenee2nh · 12-07-2011, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by secondcurve

They are considered varmints down south and typically they carry lots of diseases. My friend was in Texas last week and he was shooting these varmints since all other hunting seasons were closed. I asked about the meat and he said because of the disease they just toss them on the side of the road for the buzzards.

Thats is ridiculous and your friend should not be allowed to hunt. The only thing causing disease is your friends rotting boars on the side of the road. I have been hunting Texas for Deer and Boar every year for the past five years leaving the day after Christmas each year with my Friend and our Boys. Wild Boar hunting is alot of fun and the meat is fantastic. From the marinated back straps to the slow cook pulled pork BBQ roast and smoked sausage the meat is amazing.

People like your friend is what gives real hunters a bad name.

I can also say that a Wild Boar population should be kept under controll because they do cause alot of property damage and multipli faster than rabbits.

secondcurve · 12-07-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by anthonyrenee2nh

Thats is ridiculous and your friend should not be allowed to hunt. The only thing causing disease is your friends rotting boars on the side of the road. I have been hunting Texas for Deer and Boar every year for the past five years leaving the day after Christmas each year with my Friend and our Boys. Wild Boar hunting is alot of fun and the meat is fantastic. From the marinated back straps to the slow cook pulled pork BBQ roast and smoked sausage the meat is amazing.

People like your friend is what gives real hunters a bad name.

I can also say that a Wild Boar population should be kept under controll because they do cause alot of property damage and multipli faster than rabbits.

Anthony:

He was on private land where these pigs cause extreme damage. In texas you can hunt them over bait, with dogs and at night with spot lights. They are considered varmints and the population is out of control. Texas even allows the use of helicopters (see below)

The Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission has approved rules allowing "qualified landowners" to begin hunting feral pigs on their land from helicopters, with no bag limit and no fee.

The rules are designed to help cull the number of wild hogs in Texas, which has been rising rapidly ... and are currently estimated at around 2 million.

The Houston Chronicle reports that the rules allow the hunting of coyotes as well as wild hogs from helicopters in accordance with House Bill 716, which was approved by the Texas legislature. Under the terms of the bill, landowners or their agents are able to pay helicopter operators for their services in helping reduce the hog population. All that is required is filing the necessary paperwork. There is no fee associated with the filing.

Texas Department of Agriculture statistics show that a single wild hog can be responsible for as much as $500 in crop damage and other wildlife habitat each year.

I understand that as a general rule of thumb you should eat what you shoot. However, there are exceptions such as wild hogs in Texas and that is why the state allows basically any method of harvesting without a bag limit. As my friend said it is like shooting rats at a dump only much more challenging. Given all this, I don't believe he did anything wrong.

donnamatrix · 12-09-2011, 02:28 PM

There is a show on one of the cable networks that focuses on a family in Texas who hunt the wild boar. They are totally out of control in Texas and causing millions of dollars in damages to farmland. I had no idea! I do remember reading an article a year or so ago about sombody hitting a Russian wild boar on the Mass Pike out past Sturbridge. Neither the driver nor the police immediately knew what type of animal had been involved, but it was biggy. Several hundred pounds and ruined the guy's car.

NoBozo · 12-09-2011, 03:20 PM

Seems they are the same thing, ...Only different.

NB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_pigs#Feral_pigs

Greene's Basin Girl · 12-10-2011, 03:27 AM

They certainly wouldn't win a beauty contest.

Gearhead · 12-12-2011, 04:53 PM

I thought I saw one a week ago in Alton on 28 by the cemetery. It wasn't too big but it looked like a Javelina or a REALLY big groundhog. It was also dead. I've never seen them in the woods but I'm told they're around. I'm sure they came from Corbin Park because that's where they appear to be concentrated, and they were once stocked there. I wouldn't think twice about popping one if I'm deer hunting. It'd save me a few hundred in meat and it's all organic. Yum!

dpg · 12-14-2011, 07:24 AM

Texas Department of Agriculture statistics show that a single wild hog can be responsible for as much as $500 in crop damage and other wildlife habitat each year.

Five hundred dollars that's not too bad. What's the big deal.

Flyfisha · 12-18-2011, 07:44 AM

http://www.meyette.us/CorbinPark.htm

Here's a website about Corbin Park. I have lived near the park for all of my life. The pigs do get out on occasion, but interestingly enough, often times as a result of people "jacking" the fence to let them out! Although the park itself is very private it makes for a beautiful backdrop of UNDEVELOPED land in the Dartmouth Lake Sunapee region.

Winnisquamguy · 12-18-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyfisha

http://www.meyette.us/CorbinPark.htm

Here's a website about Corbin Park. I have lived near the park for all of my life. The pigs do get out on occasion, but interestingly enough, often times as a result of people "jacking" the fence to let them out! Although the park itself is very private it makes for a beautiful backdrop of UNDEVELOPED land in the Dartmouth Lake Sunapee region.

Corbin Park and its members is a hunters country club...I have heard its 40K a year for a membership.

RailroadJoe · 12-18-2011, 03:58 PM

Flyfisha Did you live near the Quimby's?

Flyfisha · 12-18-2011, 05:41 PM

Went to high school with some but can't remember their first names--It was 40 years ago!!

BoSox711 · 01-04-2012, 01:40 PM

I bet they are tasty

11-28-2011, 06:44 PM	#1
Jonas Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wolfeboro, New Hampshire is my home, 24-7-365 Posts: 1,686 Thanks: 1,047 Thanked 336 Times in 189 Posts	A bunch of pigs! NH's invasion of the wild pigs. I wonder if this will ever effect us up here in the Lakes Region. Nationally, documented feral swine populations are on the rise. No other states directly surrounding New Hampshire have documented feral swine populations; the state started seeing reports of feral swine about 1985. http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS01/711289958

11-28-2011, 07:15 PM	#2
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,593 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,444 Thanked 1,977 Times in 1,078 Posts	Seen wild pigs in Louisiana While living in Louisiana from 1974 to 1981, I did a lot of deer hunting in NW LA. The area we hunted was hundreds of acres and besides being great deer hunting, it also had a lot of feral pigs. They would root around and drive you crazy while sitting on a deer stand. Had a few come in close to me, but never did get a shot off. They did not come down into the cities, but the digging they did in the woods was remarkable. Not that my lawn up here is that great, but I certainly hope they do not make it to Alton. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

12-01-2011, 10:35 AM	#3
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	That probably explains why there are 2 reality shows on wild hogs! __________________ SIKSUKR

12-01-2011, 05:00 PM	#4
TOAD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Soon to be Moultonboro Posts: 258 Thanks: 1 Thanked 81 Times in 34 Posts	Southeastern NH....means Mass and Vermont too...unless pigs obey state border lines. On another forum a member stated that he had seen some while deer hunting once and has talked with other hunters that have bagged a couple in that area. I've heard they are great culinary fair. __________________ "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.....Unknown....but attributed to George Washington

12-02-2011, 02:57 PM	#5
Grant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pennsyltuckey, Tuftonboro, Moultonborough Posts: 1,499 Thanks: 370 Thanked 228 Times in 123 Posts	Actually, I believe the pig problem in NH pre-dates 1985 by a long shot. After spending a few weeks backpacking the Great Smoky Mountains in NC & Tennessee during college (we made it a spring break ritual), I became interested in the pigs. There's a very large population in the Smokies. North Florida has a ton as well. Anyway, while doing a little reading on the subject I learned that the three big concentrations in the U.S. were in the Smokies, north Florida, and a pocket in west-central New Hampshire. In NH, like other locations, they are believed to have descended from European wild boars that were imported specifically for private hunting reserves - perhaps as long ago as the 1800s. Predictably, some were not killed, and later migrated, mated with domestic swine, and established a population. According to one site I just found in a quick search... "The First 'Pure Russian' wild boars were brought into the US by Austin Corbin. They were released into a 20,000 acre enclosure in Sullivan County New Hampshire in 1890.' And the State of Wisconsin's DNR site had the following: History of Feral Pigs in America Domestic pigs were introduced from Europe to the Americas by Spanish explorers. Over time, some pigs escaped or were intentionally released into the wild. Subsequently, free-ranging, feral populations established themselves on American soil. In 1893, 50 feral pigs from Germany's Black Forest were released on a hunting preserve in New Hampshire's Blue Mountains. Later, in 1910 and 1912, Russian wild boars were released on a North Carolina preserve near the Tennessee border. Russian wild boars were released again in 1925 near Monterey, California and a few years later on Santa Cruz Island. Some of these transplants escaped from the hunting preserves. Many of their offspring bred with feral descendants of domestic pigs. Today, feral pigs and hybrids of the Russian wild boars are found in 23 states with the possibility of yet-undiscovered populations in several more states. The largest populations are in the coastal states surrounding the Gulf of Mexico and California (not surprising, since Spanish explorers settled these territories). Feral pigs are found chiefly in western North Carolina, eastern Tennessee, West Virginia and, in California, on Santa Cruz Island and Monterey and San Luis Obispo counties. Small numbers of pigs are found in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Vermont, Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina and Texas. In locations where feral pigs have more recently been discovered it is likely that these "run-wild" individuals are the result of unintentional escapes from domestic swine facilities, escapes or releases from game farms, or illegal stocking. Biologists estimate the nationwide population of feral pigs to be around four million animals. At any rate, I can't remember where I first read all of this, but it might've been a local paper. I have a cousin in North Florida who used to hunt the wild pigs down there -- kinda the red neck version of the fox hunt, using pit bulls and pickup trucks and rifles. They're quite tasty, actually. As for reproductive capabilities, once a sow reaches breeding age at 7 or 8 months of age they can be responsible for 1,000 plus feral swine in a five-year period. With this in mind, perhaps we should find a way to increase that mountain lion population... __________________ "When I die, please don't let my wife sell my dive gear for what I told her I paid for it."

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RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	During the hurricane of 1938 the fence around Corbin Park in Cornish got pushed down in a few places. The wild pigs escaped and tore the heck out of the farmers corn fields. My ex father-in-law sued and got reimbursed by the state of NH. His property boarded the park, still there as a private hunting preserve.

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12-02-2011, 03:55 PM	#7
beagle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 175 Thanks: 183 Thanked 25 Times in 21 Posts	nh wildlife journal the magazine of nh fish and game dept. had an article last month about them. i think it stated that des would like reports of any sightings. you can probably read the article on the des website: http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wild...nal/WJ_mag.htm

12-02-2011, 08:30 PM	#8
Jonas Pilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wolfeboro, New Hampshire is my home, 24-7-365 Posts: 1,686 Thanks: 1,047 Thanked 336 Times in 189 Posts	I've seen them on one of my road trips across the south in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida. All were dead along the road. I think I first noticed them in Tennessee though I wasn't sure what they were until it dawned on me in 'Bama. Last edited by Jonas Pilot; 12-06-2011 at 12:15 PM.

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donnamatrix Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro Posts: 833 Thanks: 24 Thanked 258 Times in 120 Posts	Cable show on hunting wild boar There is a show on one of the cable networks that focuses on a family in Texas who hunt the wild boar. They are totally out of control in Texas and causing millions of dollars in damages to farmland. I had no idea! I do remember reading an article a year or so ago about sombody hitting a Russian wild boar on the Mass Pike out past Sturbridge. Neither the driver nor the police immediately knew what type of animal had been involved, but it was biggy. Several hundred pounds and ruined the guy's car.

12-09-2011, 03:20 PM	#14
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Feral Pigs Vs. Wild Boar Seems they are the same thing, ...Only different. NB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_pigs#Feral_pigs

12-10-2011, 03:27 AM	#15
Greene's Basin Girl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 1,515 Thanks: 394 Thanked 527 Times in 269 Posts	They certainly wouldn't win a beauty contest.

12-12-2011, 04:53 PM	#16
Gearhead Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Alton Posts: 166 Thanks: 13 Thanked 19 Times in 8 Posts	I thought I saw one a week ago in Alton on 28 by the cemetery. It wasn't too big but it looked like a Javelina or a REALLY big groundhog. It was also dead. I've never seen them in the woods but I'm told they're around. I'm sure they came from Corbin Park because that's where they appear to be concentrated, and they were once stocked there. I wouldn't think twice about popping one if I'm deer hunting. It'd save me a few hundred in meat and it's all organic. Yum!

12-14-2011, 07:24 AM	#17
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,589 Thanks: 150 Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts	Texas Department of Agriculture statistics show that a single wild hog can be responsible for as much as $500 in crop damage and other wildlife habitat each year. Five hundred dollars that's not too bad. What's the big deal.

12-18-2011, 07:44 AM	#18
Flyfisha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rattlesnake Island Posts: 140 Thanks: 58 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	Corbin Park http://www.meyette.us/CorbinPark.htm Here's a website about Corbin Park. I have lived near the park for all of my life. The pigs do get out on occasion, but interestingly enough, often times as a result of people "jacking" the fence to let them out! Although the park itself is very private it makes for a beautiful backdrop of UNDEVELOPED land in the Dartmouth Lake Sunapee region.

12-18-2011, 03:58 PM	#20
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	Flyfisha Did you live near the Quimby's?

12-18-2011, 05:41 PM	#21
Flyfisha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rattlesnake Island Posts: 140 Thanks: 58 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	Went to high school with some but can't remember their first names--It was 40 years ago!!

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BoSox711 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 16 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I bet they are tasty