McLear and Ray Team Up for Changes in Meredith

[SAMIAM]

LTII,I couldn't agree more.....I was also opposed to the speed limit law because I felt that it would discourage the creme de la creme of the boating tourists from coming to our lake and was surprised that Rusty took that position.I also think it is a mistake to discourage jet skis.....sure,they annoy us all but they are here to stay so we might as well get used to them.
That said,I still think he has had a huge impact on the town of Meredith.
Actually,I wish he'd come to Center Harbour and turn that waterfront into another "Meredith"

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

LTII,I couldn't agree more.....I was also opposed to the speed limit law because I felt that it would discourage the creme de la creme of the boating tourists from coming to our lake and was surprised that Rusty took that position.I also think it is a mistake to discourage jet skis.....sure,they annoy us all but they are here to stay so we might as well get used to them.
That said,I still think he has had a huge impact on the town of Meredith.
Actually,I wish he'd come to Center Harbour and turn that waterfront into another "Meredith"

I don't disagree about the improvements that they've made in Meredith. What I do disagree with is their outspoken opinions over the speedlimit (as revenue producing entities - not as individuals). Their overt affiliation with the pro-speed limit organization is the primary reason I will not spend my money at their establishments. This organization was continually stating mistruths about irresponsible, intoxicated "Thunder Boaters" running wild around the lake, terrorizing families, children and kayakers. Yet both Mr. McLear and Mr. Ray make tremendous amounts of profit from their multiple establishments in Meredith that sell the same alcohol that they are complaining about. Therefore, they should put their money where their mouths are and curtail all alcohol sales at Lakehouse, Town Docks, Lago and Camp restaurants. That's my gripe and I'm sticking to it.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I don't disagree about the improvements that they've made in Meredith. What I do disagree with is their outspoken opinions over the speedlimit (as revenue producing entities - not as individuals). Their overt affiliation with the pro-speed limit organization is the primary reason I will not spend my money at their establishments. This organization was continually stating mistruths about irresponsible, intoxicated "Thunder Boaters" running wild around the lake, terrorizing families, children and kayakers. Yet both Mr. McLear and Mr. Ray make tremendous amounts of profit from their multiple establishments in Meredith that sell the same alcohol that they are complaining about. Therefore, they should put their money where their mouths are and curtail all alcohol sales at Lakehouse, Town Docks, Lago and Camp restaurants. That's my gripe and I'm sticking to it.

Get over it, it's the law now, move on with your life as others have done.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Get over it, it's the law now, move on with your life as others have done.

Hey Rusty, I made no complaint about the speed limit. The issue at hand is the hypocrisy demonstrated by Messrs. Ray and McLear when it comes to selling alcoholic beverages to the same people about which they "protest". Case closed, they get no revenue from me - and a hell of a lot of my friends.

[LTII]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Hey Rusty, I made no complaint about the speed limit. The issue at hand is the hypocrisy demonstrated by Messrs. Ray and McLear when it comes to selling alcoholic beverages to the same people about which they "protest". Case closed, they get no revenue from me - and a hell of a lot of my friends.

Serving alcohol at their fine establishments has no relation to the speed limit issue. You can't close the case just because your argument doesn't hold water.

Sounds like classic sour grapes. While you are totally within your rights as a consumer to boycott with your small group of friends, it does not validate your hypocrisy claim. If in their judgement their business interests would be better served by a speed limit, there is no hypocrisy. If they supported a speed limit and drove fast themselves that would then be hypocritical.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by LTII

Serving alcohol at their fine establishments has no relation to the speed limit issue. You can't close the case just because your argument doesn't hold water.

Sounds like classic sour grapes. While you are totally within your rights as a consumer to boycott with your small group of friends, it does not validate your hypocrisy claim. If in their judgement their business interests would be better served by a speed limit, there is no hypocrisy. If they supported a speed limit and drove fast themselves that would then be hypocritical.

Call it whatever you want, but I call it hypocrisy. If it quacks like a duck, flies like a duck and walks like a duck, then it's a duck as far as I'm concerned. Defend them all you want - it doesn't change the foundation of the argument. They associated themselves with, and proactively supported a lobbying group that fabricated stories which used boating under the influence of alcohol (yes, the same alcohol with which they make money selling) in order to push their agenda. Again, they have every right to do this, as I have every right to avoid their establishments (which I will continue to do). By the way, how do you know the size of my group of friends?

[Jonas Pilot]

This seems like deja vu all over again. I swear I've heard all this before.

[LTII]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Call it whatever you want, but I call it hypocrisy. If it quacks like a duck, flies like a duck and walks like a duck, then it's a duck as far as I'm concerned. Defend them all you want - it doesn't change the foundation of the argument. They associated themselves with, and proactively supported a lobbying group that fabricated stories which used boating under the influence of alcohol (yes, the same alcohol with which they make money selling) in order to push their agenda. Again, they have every right to do this, as I have every right to avoid their establishments (which I will continue to do). By the way, how do you know the size of my group of friends?

Your argument is based on a foundation and that foundation is flimsy in that it is not relevant. Because they sell the demon rum, and because they may have associated themselves with another even more illogical group does not mean they support boating while intoxicated! Based on your 'foundation', logically you also should stop paying any taxes to New Hampshire, and in fact should give up drinking yourself.

To answer your final question- I apologize- I do not know for a fact the size of your group of friends.. I assumed, based on the tone of your posts, that you quack, fly and walk in a pretty small flock.

[fatlazyless]

Once again, hopefully, it should be nice to see a large number of small, brightly colored, red, green, yellow, blue, white, etc kayaks out on Meredith Bay in and beyond the no-wake zone. Typically, kayakers tend to hug the shoreline when travelling a distance up the bay because it seems safer to paddle in an area where the motorboats are not too likely to be going. Sometimes, it can be a little difficult to see a kayak due to waves and sunlight and many kayakers just head for the shallows, plus some just like to look at the shoreline and check out all the waterfront homes as opposed to being out in the middle of the bay.

Up till 2008, the Parafunalia store in Meredith ran a kayak rental business, and they kept about 20 kayaks on the water, in the corner near the Inn at Bay Point, and it made for some attractive sights seeing people paddling about the bay on a small, brightly colored rental kayak.

This new kayak rental spot should immediately increase the number of people using rental kayaks out on Meredith Bay and most likely will become a well known go-to spot for people with an interest in self-propelled small boats. It doesn't have to be just a kayak.......there's also canoes, row skulls, and small.....say 13' sailboats like a Sunfish or a Laser.....which could make a welcome addition to the Meredith Bay scenery. Paddling for....say....a distance of about four miles......from Meredith town docks ....all the way.....up to the Mount Washington dock at Weirs Beach would give the paddler a new appreciation for this section of Lake Winnipesaukee.

Maybe the ice cream stand immediately next to the town docks could bring back the one-dollar Wednesday, ice cream cone special, which actually cost $1.09, after you include the NH state meals tax, but still a very groovy delight.........yum......just an ice cream thought here!

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by LTII

Your argument is based on a foundation and that foundation is flimsy in that it is not relevant. Because they sell the demon rum, and because they may have associated themselves with another even more illogical group does not mean they support boating while intoxicated! Based on your 'foundation', logically you also should stop paying any taxes to New Hampshire, and in fact should give up drinking yourself.

To answer your final question- I apologize- I do not know for a fact the size of your group of friends.. I assumed, based on the tone of your posts, that you quack, fly and walk in a pretty small flock.

I must compliment you on your ability to "SPIN" an issue. The sure sign of a true liberal. Where did I say they supported boating while intoxicated? Go back and read the posts before you make crazy statements like that. In addition, I called you out on your assumption that my group was small - and I got a wisecrack answer (another liberal spin). Now you assume I drink?

OK, one more time: Forget the underlying reasons and issues, but the fact remains that I (and my group of friends - size which will remain undisclosed) will continue to boycott any establishment or property owned by either Mr. Ray or Mr. McLear. If you choose to spend your trust fund allowance at these establishments, then by all means, please do. (see - I can assume too)

[LTII]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I must compliment you on your ability to "SPIN" an issue. The sure sign of a true liberal. Where did I say they supported boating while intoxicated? Go back and read the posts before you make crazy statements like that. In addition, I called you out on your assumption that my group was small - and I got a wisecrack answer (another liberal spin). Now you assume I drink?

OK, one more time: Forget the underlying reasons and issues, but the fact remains that I (and my group of friends - size which will remain undisclosed) will continue to boycott any establishment or property owned by either Mr. Ray or Mr. McLear. If you choose to spend your trust fund allowance at these establishments, then by all means, please do. (see - I can assume too)

It took a few posts but I am glad to see that you are starting to get my point.

[Seaplane Pilot]

I'm glad that you're glad. Not sure what it is you're glad about, but hey, can't we just all get along??

[LTII]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I'm glad that you're glad. Not sure what it is you're glad about, but hey, can't we just all get along??

What I'm glad about is that you agree with me of course - with my whole point about assuming!

And yes we all can get along. I think you'll find we agree on more points than we disagree on and have some fun debating those we don't. I'll buy you a beer at Lago (well maybe we better make that a lemonade at Canoe or "O") or maybe your buddy Rusty will treat us...

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by LTII

Serving alcohol at their fine establishments has no relation to the speed limit issue. You can't close the case just because your argument doesn't hold water.

Sounds like classic sour grapes. While you are totally within your rights as a consumer to boycott with your small group of friends, it does not validate your hypocrisy claim. If in their judgement their business interests would be better served by a speed limit, there is no hypocrisy. If they supported a speed limit and drove fast themselves that would then be hypocritical.

I agree with you LTII. The Littlefield case has no direct bearing to the speed limits nor did I ever brought it up until now.

McLear literally handed Littlefield a 'Get out of Jail' card due to this action. I'm all for getting rid of drunk driving. But this action tells me that McLear doesn't mind driving under the influence as long as he can make a few bucks out of it.

[winniboy]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I agree with you LTII. The Littlefield case has no direct bearing to the speed limits nor did I ever brought it up until now.

McLear literally handed Littlefield a 'Get out of Jail' card due to this action. I'm all for getting rid of drunk driving. But this action tells me that McLear doesn't mind driving under the influence as long as he can make a few bucks out of it.

As a person who knows both Rusty And Littlefield ( my view of them is irrelevant) I do have to say the situation that happened was avoidable. What it comes down to however had NOTHING to do with Rusty. Rusty has no part of any restaurant or bar in Meredith. Although his Hotels are in the same building (in some cases) Rusty Does not operate the restaurant side of the business. Littlefield (unfortunately) was irresponsible that night and that lead to poor decision makings. Even Alex Ray, who does OWN the bar, does not RUN it, nor was he working or present at the location at the time. It comes down to the bartender over serving, and Littlefield telling them he was not driving, and Littlefield making poor decisions. The no wake zone was a good move by the town of Meredith, and of course Rusty and Alex would support that because it keeps their customers safe. At the end of they day they are in the business to make a buck *look at the economy, don't you do your job to make a buck?* With that being said, i think it is unfair to criticize a MAJOR influence on town happenings because he did something to keep others safe.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by winniboy

With that being said, i think it is unfair to criticize a MAJOR influence on town happenings because he did something to keep others safe.

What? I didn't think that a major influencer would drink the cool-aid so easily.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Get over it, it's the law now, move on with your life as others have done.

I find I funny that this "rusty" always pops up to defend the other "rusty" whenever criticism arises. Coincidence?

[winniboy]

Originally Posted by codeman671

I find I funny that this "rusty" always pops up to defend the other "rusty" whenever criticism arises. Coincidence?

Not everything in this article and forum is accurate. Plans may be in place but nothing has been finalized as I'm sure Rusty can agree with. Hopefully this will go with minimal impact on the lake and shoreline, but huge impact on the community and well being of the lake.

[ushaggerb]

Los Angeles, CA, 11:05 pm.

It's late. I'm ready to go to bed. I jump on the computer, start reading this thread, and it just jolts me with the realization that I'm living in a place where there's so little passion for it.

There is more interest shown toward the Lake in this one discussion than I've seen in 14 years toward the City of Los Angeles. The Lake lives under caring eyes. Whatever happens to it in the future, it won't be by virtue of neglect.




I really miss the Lake.

[fatlazyless]

As far as the issue abpout "pay or no-pay " to be using the new kayak-canoe-row shell access ramp to be constructed in the space between the former Arts & Crafts-NH and the Town Docks restaurant......it is pretty much a mute point.....because.....anyone familiar with the Meredith town dock and boat launch knows.....there already exists ....at the opposite end of the three large town dock piers....the town boat ramp....maybe a distance of 150-yards....from the newly proposed kayak ramp immediately close to the new recreation-kayak rental......it costs 20-dollars to launch a boat on the Meredith town ramp with a trailer/motor boat....and costs nothing to launch a hand-carry boat like a kayak-canoe-row shell....so for my money.....free works just fine for me!

Just having a kayak rental center with included instruction-rentals-safety-people etc creates a different type of a venue than just a free launch dock....would be kayakers will probably be attracted to it when they see others using the colorfull little kayaks....and prefer the convenience of paying as opposed to launching off a car top.....just my two cents....

...kayaking across the bay to the now under construction 8-acres land-EIGHT-million dollar price and big-bucks mansion now under construction is easily doable with a kayak.....one can paddle directly up to the shoreline and take a gander.....that water is state property...just try to do that in a motor boat......maybe take the shoreline real estate tour around Meredith Bay and check out the huge money homes of the super-rich......sounds like a fun afternoon paddle....whatever...

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

As far as the issue abpout "pay or no-pay " to be using the new kayak-canoe-row shell access ramp to be constructed in the space between the former Arts & Crafts-NH and the Town Docks restaurant......it is pretty much a mute point.....because.....anyone familiar with the Meredith town dock and boat launch knows.....there already exists ....at the opposite end of the three large town dock piers....the town boat ramp....maybe a distance of 150-yards....from the newly proposed kayak ramp immediately close to the new recreation-kayak rental......it costs 20-dollars to launch a boat on the Meredith town ramp with a trailer/motor boat....and costs nothing to launch a hand-carry boat like a kayak-canoe-row shell....so for my money.....free works just fine for me!

Just having a kayak rental center with included instruction-rentals-safety-people etc creates a different type of a venue than just a free launch dock....would be kayakers will probably be attracted to it when they see others using the colorfull little kayaks....and prefer the convenience of paying as opposed to launching off a car top.....just my two cents....

...kayaking across the bay to the now under construction 8-acres land-EIGHT-million dollar price and big-bucks mansion now under construction is easily doable with a kayak.....one can paddle directly up to the shoreline and take a gander.....that water is state property...just try to do that in a motor boat......maybe take the shoreline real estate tour around Meredith Bay and check out the huge money homes of the super-rich......sounds like a fun afternoon paddle....whatever...

I'm sorry but I didn't understand a thing you said. Please clarify.

[WakeboardMom]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

I'm sorry but I didn't understand a thing you said. Please clarify.

I started reading the post which is referenced above, but got lost. FLL usually has interesting posts, but I got lost in that one...thank you for letting me know that I wasn't the only one. Hopefully, he'll clarify.

[BroadHopper]

The infamous accident when someone was killed, there was no justice only because someone misplaced the bar tabs in fear for his liqour license. That tells me how money hungry the king is. Complete disregard of others.