Who would do such a thing????

[IslandRadio]

Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

You better be careful because what you are doing is illegal. There was a sting setup to catch one guy doing this ...read more here http://www.pressherald.com/news/bott...012-03-06.html

I can see the headline now: A Belmont Resident was arrested for illegally recycling New Hampshire bottles in Maine. A Maine state police spokesman told reporters "We mobilized our BFIU (Bottle Fraud Investigative Unit). We've been tracking New Hampshire bottles for several years, trying to locate the source." . . . Extradition proceedings are underway.

Seriously, I'm sure there's some spill-over of New Hampshire bottles to Maine, but the whole thing really does have more than an element of humor!

[BroadHopper]

I heard on TV that much of our recycled trash, especially motor vehicles are hauled off to China where the chinese sort the trash for pennies a day. The Chinese will processed the raw goods and sell it back to us for huge profits.

If you read the instruction materials for single stream recycling, there are a few things to keep in mind. No plastic bags, empty cardboard cartons and break them down, clean orginic materials from all products.

I see too many folks ignore the rules and dump away! I honestly think we are not that lazy!

[Winnisquamguy]

Originally Posted by IslandRadio

I can see the headline now: A Belmont Resident was arrested for illegally recycling New Hampshire bottles in Maine. A Maine state police spokesman told reporters "We mobilized our BFIU (Bottle Fraud Investigative Unit). We've been tracking New Hampshire bottles for several years, trying to locate the source." . . . Extradition proceedings are underway.

Seriously, I'm sure there's some spill-over of New Hampshire bottles to Maine, but the whole thing really does have more than an element of humor!

If you read the article he spent 3 days in jail and was fined 10K...yes he was a business owner but he was being watched for some time before they arrested him if I remember correctly.

[VitaBene]

There are great videos on youtube re. single stream recycling. It only requires one or two sorters at the end.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

There are great videos on youtube re. single stream recycling. It only requires one or two sorters at the end.

I remember seeing an episode when the WM boss tried to sort out the recycled stuff. It was a b!tch of a job!

[IslandRadio]

Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

If you read the article he spent 3 days in jail and was fined 10K...yes he was a business owner but he was being watched for some time before they arrested him if I remember correctly.

Those guys were definitely scamming the system big time, and were fairly well organized about it, too, and knew exactly what they were doing (well, more or less!).

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by IslandRadio

I can see the headline now: A Belmont Resident was arrested for illegally recycling New Hampshire bottles in Maine. A Maine state police spokesman told reporters "We mobilized our BFIU (Bottle Fraud Investigative Unit). We've been tracking New Hampshire bottles for several years, trying to locate the source." . . . Extradition proceedings are underway.

Seriously, I'm sure there's some spill-over of New Hampshire bottles to Maine, but the whole thing really does have more than an element of humor!

There is a different stamp on cans from Maine. Trust me, you can just look at the can and tell. I tend to doubt any large quantity of cans from BR are being cashed in as the attendants can easily pick them out as not from Maine.

Buy a can or bottle in Maine and NH and you'll see the Maine stuff has a slightly different stamp even though the NH cans have a ME deposit mark. Youll also see NH Poland spring bottles with red outline around the UPC area that makes it plain as day it's from NH.

They may miss a couple stray ones tossed in but if you go with bag fulls of NH cans they'll turn you away. We buy our cans in NH whenever we can as the hassle of returning them for the five cent deposit is a pita and most towns font have easy access to recycling. Trust me you don't want the 5 cent tax, err, deposit added. We go through a lot of water bottles and it adds up quickly.

[mcdude]

Using the lake as an ashtray is just plain wrong BUT Isn't the boat exhaust from SOME boats doing a lot more to pollute the water and atmosphere than any litterer ever thought of doing? Not meaning to start a controversy....it's just a simple question.

http://www.dep.state.fl.us/air/emiss...-Factsheet.pdf

[RailroadJoe]

mcdude Ever notice the color of the rocks at the Alton Bay swim area and boat launch?

[GM doc]

This discussion is just dumb. Everyone here (on this fourm) litters , But it's ok in your own sence.

[NH_boater]

Originally Posted by GM doc

This discussion is just dumb. Everyone here (on this fourm) litters , But it's ok in your own sence.

Care to explain why you believe that everyone here litters?

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by NH_boater

Care to explain why you believe that everyone here litters?

Not once in the almost 20 years using the lake have I ever placed or allowed anything to go into the lake from mine or any other boat boat.
I have on many occasions taken things out of the lake that have either blown out or been thrown out of boats.
NOTE; peeing in the lake does not count guilty as charged on that

[IslandRadio]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

NOTE; peeing in the lake does not count guilty as charged on that

Now every time I take a shower or cook something in Lake water, I'm going to end up thinking about that

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by IslandRadio

Now every time I take a shower or cook something in Lake water, I'm going to end up thinking about that

If it is any consolation I usually drink good beer.
Be thankful you don’t live or summer over near Braun Bay, that place has got to be like a sewer.
No inflow or outflow of water, how many hundreds of people.

[SAMIAM]

I don't think there is much littering among people who live and work around the lakes. Actually, many of us pick after the few who do litter.....my neighbor and I hit both sides of the road(about a mile) every spring after the snowbanks have melted. Mostly Bud bottles & and cans plus Mikes Hard Lemonade which seems to be a favorite of ice fisherman. But, at least, they dump them in the road where we can get them and not in the lake.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

I don't think there is much littering among people who live and work around the lakes. Actually, many of us pick after the few who do litter.....my neighbor and I hit both sides of the road(about a mile) every spring after the snowbanks have melted. Mostly Bud bottles & and cans plus Mikes Hard Lemonade which seems to be a favorite of ice fisherman. But, at least, they dump them in the road where we can get them and not in the lake.

Sam: I take offense with your insinuation that the folks who litter are from away. This type of generalization is ignorant. I wouldn't expect such a comment from a guy who makes a portion of his living by serving the needs of tourist. By the way, I also walk the roads and pick-up trash a couple times a year and I don't live or work in the lakes region.

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by secondcurve

Sam: I take offense with your insinuation that the folks who litter are from away. This type of generalization is ignorant. I wouldn't expect such a comment from a guy who makes a portion of his living by serving the needs of tourist. By the way, I also walk the roads and pick-up trash a couple times a year and I don't live or work in the lakes region.

Don't know why you're so offended,secondcurve.I never said that tourists were littering,I said that I don't believe that people who live and work on the lake do much littering and I stand by that statement.
Actually,tourists probably do less littering than any other group because they appreciate the beauty of the area.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Don't know why you're so offended,secondcurve.I never said that tourists were littering,I said that I don't believe that people who live and work on the lake do much littering and I stand by that statement.
Actually,tourists probably do less littering than any other group because they appreciate the beauty of the area.

Visit the Weirs or Hampton beach at sunset. You would be amaze at the debris you will find on the beach. I witness a young woman bury dirty diapers in the sand!

I also notice a lot of littering at national and state forest campgrounds. A ranger told me they spend a lot of time and money picking up litter.

I don't think tourists should be immune.

[Greene's Basin Girl]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Don't know why you're so offended,secondcurve.I never said that tourists were littering,I said that I don't believe that people who live and work on the lake do much littering and I stand by that statement.
Actually,tourists probably do less littering than any other group because they appreciate the beauty of the area.

Believe me- locals appreciate the area also. That is why I live here year round.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by lawn psycho

There is a different stamp on cans from Maine. Trust me, you can just look at the can and tell. I tend to doubt any large quantity of cans from BR are being cashed in as the attendants can easily pick them out as not from Maine.

Buy a can or bottle in Maine and NH and you'll see the Maine stuff has a slightly different stamp even though the NH cans have a ME deposit mark. Youll also see NH Poland spring bottles with red outline around the UPC area that makes it plain as day it's from NH.

They may miss a couple stray ones tossed in but if you go with bag fulls of NH cans they'll turn you away. We buy our cans in NH whenever we can as the hassle of returning them for the five cent deposit is a pita and most towns font have easy access to recycling. Trust me you don't want the 5 cent tax, err, deposit added. We go through a lot of water bottles and it adds up quickly.

The girls in work all drink bottled water and rather then throw them out my wife brings home trash bags of bottles as the fill up.
We buy Vitamin water; Mike’s lemonade, Sam Addams etc., here in NH and all are returned to the refund station when we go up.
We don’t do it by the thousands but generally 20-30 dollars worth at a time. There is some Maine bought beers as well. The attendant does know we bring them up from NH and has no problem with taking them because there is no law against it. It is frowned on but given the little these people make off taking in the bottles and the fact they are mixed in with thousands of Maine bottles and cans I doubt he really cares.
As far as I’m concerned if it has a stamp on it that says ME then I’m doing nothing illegal.
Another reason why I believe it should be federal and incorporated into all states, most states that have a refund also have a lot less bottles and cans along their roadways.

[BroadHopper]

My grandkids in NH been collecting bottles/cans for years. When they vacation in Maine, my daughter would cash them in. They never question her. I will let her know that the bottles from Maine are stamped.

[RailroadJoe]

GM doc I for one do not litter ever since I gave up smoking. There is a plastic bag (thanks to Walmart and grocery stores) in both cars for trash. Nothing is ever thrown out of my cars, nor dumped on the street or anywhere else. There are some, so I take it you must litter.

[GM doc]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

GM doc I for one do not litter ever since I gave up smoking. There is a plastic bag (thanks to Walmart and grocery stores) in both cars for trash. Nothing is ever thrown out of my cars, nor dumped on the street or anywhere else. There are some, so I take it you must litter.

So I take it that you do not drive a car that has tires? tire rubber that wears off is "trash" correct? No rust falling off of your car? Never had a hole in your pocket either I take it. Many more ways that YOU litter everyday, as does everyone on this earth.
Denial is VERY common among "perfect people".

[beaner]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

GM doc I for one do not litter ever since I gave up smoking. There is a plastic bag (thanks to Walmart and grocery stores) in both cars for trash. Nothing is ever thrown out of my cars, nor dumped on the street or anywhere else. There are some, so I take it you must litter.

Railroad Joe, I wonder if you could clarify.

Do you mean that when you gave up smoking you also stopped throwing other trash out your car window, dumping it on the street, etc.?

Or are you saying that, back when you smoked, the only thing you ever disposed of in this way was cigarette butts? And if that's the case, was it because you didn't really consider cigarette butts to be trash, or was there another reason?

I'm trying to understand the thought process of a (former) smoker.

[RailroadJoe]

Only threw out the cigarette butts. Never anything bigger. I will say that smokers are the most obnoxious people, if I can compare them to what I was like as a smoker.
A lot of highway trash can be attributed pickup trucks with trash in back. Saw quite a few of those on the highways.
Any other questions? Hope this helps.

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

The girls in work all drink bottled water and rather then throw them out my wife brings home trash bags of bottles as the fill up.
We buy Vitamin water; Mike’s lemonade, Sam Addams etc., here in NH and all are returned to the refund station when we go up.
We don’t do it by the thousands but generally 20-30 dollars worth at a time. There is some Maine bought beers as well. The attendant does know we bring them up from NH and has no problem with taking them because there is no law against it. It is frowned on but given the little these people make off taking in the bottles and the fact they are mixed in with thousands of Maine bottles and cans I doubt he really cares.
As far as I’m concerned if it has a stamp on it that says ME then I’m doing nothing illegal.
Another reason why I believe it should be federal and incorporated into all states, most states that have a refund also have a lot less bottles and cans along their roadways.

Sorry but what you and the redemption center are doing is 100 percent illegal. Like I said buy a bottle or can and compare it to one from NH and you'll have no problem seeing the difference. You're rationalizing but doesn't make it any less illegal.

And I'll be showing this to the proper agency so they can spot check

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

The girls in work all drink bottled water and rather then throw them out my wife brings home trash bags of bottles as the fill up.
We buy Vitamin water; Mike’s lemonade, Sam Addams etc., here in NH and all are returned to the refund station when we go up.
We don’t do it by the thousands but generally 20-30 dollars worth at a time. There is some Maine bought beers as well. The attendant does know we bring them up from NH and has no problem with taking them because there is no law against it. It is frowned on but given the little these people make off taking in the bottles and the fact they are mixed in with thousands of Maine bottles and cans I doubt he really cares.
As far as I’m concerned if it has a stamp on it that says ME then I’m doing nothing illegal.
Another reason why I believe it should be federal and incorporated into all states, most states that have a refund also have a lot less bottles and cans along their roadways.

There is a law against it, and what you are doing is illegal. From the Maine beverage container law (MRSA Title 32, Section 1866):

"At each location where customers tender containers for redemption, dealers and redemption centers must conspicuously display a sign in letters that are at least one inch in height with the following information:

WARNING: Persons tendering containers for redemption that were not originally purchased in this State may be subject to a fine of the greater of $100 per container or $25,000 for each tender. (32 MRSA Section 1866).

A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is subject to a civil penalty of the greater of $100 for each container or $25,000 for each tender of containers."

[LakeSnake]

Really - its a major crime to drop a cigarette butt in the lake but it's totaly OK to dump raw sewage into the lake (pee). Oh and its OK to commit bottle redemption fraud to as long as I don't read a sign.

I was wondering what was wrong with the world these days, but now that I have my answer I think I will go home now.

Perhaps we should change the name of this site from the Winni forum to the Whiney forum.

[songkrai]

This has gone from one cigarette butt to Maine bottle redemption laws to just plain whining about "out of staters".

It's "us" against "them".

On a casual note. When I was a youngin' I used to take/bring the bottles and cans from NH to MA and cash them in for spending money.

And I have been known to clean my smokers pipe on a public park bench!

Wait, I can here the sirens as I still type this ! The horror !

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

There is a law against it, and what you are doing is illegal. From the Maine beverage container law (MRSA Title 32, Section 1866):

"At each location where customers tender containers for redemption, dealers and redemption centers must conspicuously display a sign in letters that are at least one inch in height with the following information:

WARNING: Persons tendering containers for redemption that were not originally purchased in this State may be subject to a fine of the greater of $100 per container or $25,000 for each tender. (32 MRSA Section 1866).

A person who violates the provisions of this subsection is subject to a civil penalty of the greater of $100 for each container or $25,000 for each tender of containers."

The name says it all, To Much Information.
Leave your goody 2 shoes at home.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

The name says it all, To Much Information.
Leave your goody 2 shoes at home.

Slow your roll, BR. I never made any comment on what I personally thought about your practice of returning New Hampshire purchased beverage containers in Maine for the deposit money. I am simply correcting your erroneous assertion that what you are doing is perfectly legal. It's not. Now, what you do with that information is up to you.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

Slow your roll, BR. I never made any comment on what I personally thought about your practice of returning New Hampshire purchased beverage containers in Maine for the deposit money. I am simply correcting your erroneous assertion that what you are doing is perfectly legal. It's not. Now, what you do with that information is up to you.

Sorry I see what I do as agood thing. Otherwise they would go out with the trash.
Once again I wish ALL states had a bottle refund policy, I believe it would go a long way to keeping bottles and cans off the sides of the roads. Even if they were disposed of on the roads there are always people willing to walk the roads for bottles and cans to return.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Sorry I see what I do as agood thing. Otherwise they would go out with the trash.
Once again I wish ALL states had a bottle refund policy, I believe it would go a long way to keeping bottles and cans off the sides of the roads. Even if they were disposed of on the roads there are always people willing to walk the roads for bottles and cans to return.

You can still recycle the cans and bottles and not be in violation of Maine law; just recycle them in New Hampshire. You won't get a nickel for each one, but then again you didn't PAY a nickel extra for each one when they were purchased. And recycling them at home will be a lot more convenient then hauling them to Maine. Plus, you won't be breaking any laws.

Like you, I wish that all states had a bottle redemption law. They really make a difference in keeping bottles and cans from being tossed wherever.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

You can still recycle the cans and bottles and not be in violation of Maine law; just recycle them in New Hampshire. You won't get a nickel for each one, but then again you didn't PAY a nickel extra for each one when they were purchased. And recycling them at home will be a lot more convenient then hauling them to Maine. Plus, you won't be breaking any laws.

Like you, I wish that all states had a bottle redemption law. They really make a difference in keeping bottles and cans from being tossed wherever.

My wife collects them at work and brings them home.
Unfortunately in Belmont I have to drive clear to the other side of town almost to Tilton to recycle. So we just throw out the none returnables.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

My wife collects them at work and brings them home.
Unfortunately in Belmont I have to drive clear to the other side of town almost to Tilton to recycle. So we just throw out the none returnables.

So when the incentive is being good to the environemt plus $20, you'll collect, bag and haul to Maine 400 bottles and cans, but when the incentive is only being good to the environment, you can't be bothered to drive across town?

Sorry, but I don't get it.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

So when the incentive is being good to the environemt plus $20, you'll collect, bag and haul to Maine 400 bottles and cans, but when the incentive is only being good to the environment, you can't be bothered to drive across town?

Sorry, but I don't get it.

I'm already going to Maine and just accumulate until then or take a few at a time.
Driving across town is time about an hour & money out of my pocket for gas.
Childish, maybe but being I have very little time to myself I just chose not to be bothered. No it isn't right in some peoples eyes but I sleep well anyways.
Ok I'm done.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

I'm already going to Maine and just accumulate until then or take a few at a time.
Driving across town is time about an hour & money out of my pocket for gas.
Childish, maybe but being I have very little time to myself I just chose not to be bothered. No it isn't right in some peoples eyes but I sleep well anyways.
Ok I'm done.

You said earlier that you generally do 20 to 30 dollars worth at a time. That's 400 to 600 bottles and cans; more than just "a few at a time." Think of 16 to 25 cases of soda or beer; that takes up a lot of room.

The point is that your home town provides facilities for the recycling of bottles and cans, but for $20 a pop you're willing to haul the containers to Maine and break the law.

I understand that the realization that what you've been doing is illegal may be uncomfortable, but there are reasons other than the almighty dollar to make an effort to recycle.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

You said earlier that you generally do 20 to 30 dollars worth at a time. That's 400 to 600 bottles and cans; more than just "a few at a time." Think of 16 to 25 cases of soda or beer; that takes up a lot of room.

The point is that your home town provides facilities for the recycling of bottles and cans, but for $20 a pop you're willing to haul the containers to Maine and break the law.

I understand that the realization that what you've been doing is illegal may be uncomfortable, but there are reasons other than the almighty dollar to make an effort to recycle.

TMI: Don't waste your time......reasoning with this Belmont Resident isn't worth the effort.

[RailroadJoe]

Time to change the post to "nickel can deposit". Nothing to do with butts in Wolfeboro

[lawn psycho]

Actually there have been thoughts to put deposits on cigarette butts. I'd be 100% behind that too.

[NH_boater]

I was at W Alton sandbar when a blue regal (I also have the bow numbers) filled with guys proceeded to light up their cigars and smoke them. I happen to dislike this but, whatever. What surprised me though is when they finished smoking them, at least some of them just tossed the cigars into the water in the middle of the sandbar. There was a serious breeze and gathering them up was not a practical option. I chose not to confront them but this behavior is disgusting and disrespectful to the lake and everyone who uses it.

I realize that smokers do this all the time, but this was pretty blatant. Just throw this crap in the water in the middle of the sandbar and keep talking like we all wanted to enjoy your soggy stogie for days to come.

I am sure this is nice for the kids who get to find this turd floating up to their faces while they try to enjoy the lake.

Thanks guys, at least you looked cool

[jrc]

it's OK, it's biodegradable!

(just a joke)

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by NH_boater

I was at W Alton sandbar when a blue regal (I also have the bow numbers) filled with guys proceeded to light up their cigars and smoke them. I happen to dislike this but, whatever. What surprised me though is when they finished smoking them, at least some of them just tossed the cigars into the water in the middle of the sandbar. There was a serious breeze and gathering them up was not a practical option. I chose not to confront them but this behavior is disgusting and disrespectful to the lake and everyone who uses it.

I realize that smokers do this all the time, but this was pretty blatant. Just throw this crap in the water in the middle of the sandbar and keep talking like we all wanted to enjoy your soggy stogie for days to come.

I am sure this is nice for the kids who get to find this turd floating up to their faces while they try to enjoy the lake.

Thanks guys, at least you looked cool

I agree this was poor behavior. However, since cigars don't have filters they eventually breakdown.