Rafting question.

Outlaw · 08-02-2005, 12:53 AM

Since Capt'nJ was the ONLY boat anchored in the area, and did not appear to be in violation of items 1 or 2 (of PART Saf-C 407 RAFTING RULES), than I would assume item 3 would be applicable, BUT, is there not a definition of MOMENTARILY???

(3) Anchor a single boat and cause it to remain stationary upon the waters of a lake or pond other than momentarily if any part of such boat is:
a. Less than 150 feet from shore; or
b. Less than 50 feet away from any raft; or
c. Less than 25 feet away from any other single boat which is stationary upon the waters of such lake or pond.

The 150' feet from shore I can understand, but the MP did not identify this as the issue, but specifically said Capt'nJ was in violation of "Rafting". It appears sub-item 'a' under item 3 has always been related to "Rafting" and the MP officer had chosen to identify it correctly, as "Rafting" when in all previous years many MP's have informed the boater they are in violation of the 150' (rule) from shore...?

I did not read in this thread where the MP identified the specific item of "Rafting" that Capt'nJ was in violation of. I would imagine there is no requirement or legal obligation on the MP's part to spell this out for Capt'nJ at the onset of the encounter, but it might be in a boaters best interest to ask what specifically they are in violation of to avoid misunderstandings and for MP to ensure that the boating public is better informed. It's one thing to reprimand someone for a wrong doing, but in order for that someone to avoid doing the same thing in the future, they would need to know what it is they did wrong.

Just my curious observations / questions.

upthesaukee · 08-02-2005, 05:18 PM

...thefreedictionary.com says with great authority...alright it is just in print:

mo·men·tar·i·ly

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adv. 1. For a moment or an instant.
2. Usage Problem In a moment; very soon.
3. Moment by moment; progressively.

Usage Note: Momentarily is widely used in speech to mean "in a moment," as in The manager is on another line, but she'll be with you momentarily. This usage rarely leads to ambiguity since the intended sense can usually be determined on the basis of the tense of the verb and the context. Nonetheless, many critics hold that the adverb should be reserved for the senses "for a moment," and the extended usage is unacceptable to 59 percent of the Usage Panel.

So there Outlaw, there should be no ambiguity...but then again, you say "tomato" and I say "Tomahtoe".

Of course, if Capt'nJ had been thinking straight, it should have been obvious that something was desperately wrong if at 10:00 AM you can have any spot on the lake by yourself.

It is getting harder and harder to find a decent place to drop an anchor and watch the world go by.

sum-r breeze · 08-03-2005, 10:20 PM

I touched upon this issue about a month ago, and the info was very helpful.
From reading the RSAs chapter and verse, I came away with the understanding that you can anchor as close to shore as you think is prudent,provided you are NOT in a no rafting zone. Remember, the state of NH owns the water. It's for all citizens to enjoy equally!
Be sure to wave, I'll wave back

Thanks, The Breeze

08-02-2005, 12:53 AM	#1
Outlaw Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Gilford, NH Posts: 338 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Semantics Since Capt'nJ was the ONLY boat anchored in the area, and did not appear to be in violation of items 1 or 2 (of PART Saf-C 407 RAFTING RULES), than I would assume item 3 would be applicable, BUT, is there not a definition of MOMENTARILY??? (3) Anchor a single boat and cause it to remain stationary upon the waters of a lake or pond other than momentarily if any part of such boat is: a. Less than 150 feet from shore; or b. Less than 50 feet away from any raft; or c. Less than 25 feet away from any other single boat which is stationary upon the waters of such lake or pond. The 150' feet from shore I can understand, but the MP did not identify this as the issue, but specifically said Capt'nJ was in violation of "Rafting". It appears sub-item 'a' under item 3 has always been related to "Rafting" and the MP officer had chosen to identify it correctly, as "Rafting" when in all previous years many MP's have informed the boater they are in violation of the 150' (rule) from shore...? I did not read in this thread where the MP identified the specific item of "Rafting" that Capt'nJ was in violation of. I would imagine there is no requirement or legal obligation on the MP's part to spell this out for Capt'nJ at the onset of the encounter, but it might be in a boaters best interest to ask what specifically they are in violation of to avoid misunderstandings and for MP to ensure that the boating public is better informed. It's one thing to reprimand someone for a wrong doing, but in order for that someone to avoid doing the same thing in the future, they would need to know what it is they did wrong. Just my curious observations / questions. __________________ I fought the Law, and the Law won

08-02-2005, 05:18 PM	#2
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,604 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,476 Thanked 1,983 Times in 1,083 Posts	Here's a definition from : ...thefreedictionary.com says with great authority...alright it is just in print: mo·men·tar·i·ly (mmn-târ-l) adv. 1. For a moment or an instant. 2. Usage Problem In a moment; very soon. 3. Moment by moment; progressively. *Usage Note:* Momentarily is widely used in speech to mean "in a moment," as in The manager is on another line, but she'll be with you momentarily. This usage rarely leads to ambiguity since the intended sense can usually be determined on the basis of the tense of the verb and the context. Nonetheless, many critics hold that the adverb should be reserved for the senses "for a moment," and the extended usage is unacceptable to 59 percent of the Usage Panel. So there Outlaw, there should be no ambiguity...but then again, you say "tomato" and I say "Tomahtoe". Of course, if Capt'nJ had been thinking straight, it should have been obvious that something was desperately wrong if at 10:00 AM you can have any spot on the lake by yourself. It is getting harder and harder to find a decent place to drop an anchor and watch the world go by. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

08-03-2005, 10:20 PM	#3
sum-r breeze Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Burlington Ma / Laconia NH Posts: 396 Thanks: 155 Thanked 201 Times in 97 Posts	More Rafting Questions..... I touched upon this issue about a month ago, and the info was very helpful. From reading the RSAs chapter and verse, I came away with the understanding that you can anchor as close to shore as you think is prudent,provided you are NOT in a no rafting zone. Remember, the state of NH owns the water. It's for all citizens to enjoy equally! Be sure to wave, I'll wave back Thanks, The Breeze