Alton police motor vehicle stops

[MaidenCove07]

....but not for the deer.
We ran into a deer recently for the first time and it was heartbreaking.
We saw it in time and braked, but the deer also tried to stop and lost it's footing on the paved road and slid underneath the truck. Had she kept going, she'd have been long gone in front of us, but instead took a smash to the rear quarter. I'd not considered that they would have such trouble on the pavement.
She was gravely injured.
She managed to get out of the road, but once she got into the brush, having only her front legs working, she was stuck.
We had to call for help for her and were grateful to have a compassionate officer arrive, but it's an incident I'll never forget.

[HomeWood]

Originally Posted by MaidenCove07

....but not for the deer.
We ran into a deer recently for the first time and it was heartbreaking.
We saw it in time and braked, but the deer also tried to stop and lost it's footing on the paved road and slid underneath the truck. Had she kept going, she'd have been long gone in front of us, but instead took a smash to the rear quarter. I'd not considered that they would have such trouble on the pavement.
She was gravely injured.
She managed to get out of the road, but once she got into the brush, having only her front legs working, she was stuck.
We had to call for help for her and were grateful to have a compassionate officer arrive, but it's an incident I'll never forget.

It is very startling to hit a deer or have a deer hit you. I had a large buck (with antlers) run straight into my drivers door once. Needless to say it scared the ever living (blank) out of me. It was able to run off.

I assume that officer put the deer down? Not fun to watch or do, but nessecary sometimes.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by MaidenCove07

....but not for the deer.
We ran into a deer recently for the first time and it was heartbreaking.
We saw it in time and braked, but the deer also tried to stop and lost it's footing on the paved road and slid underneath the truck. Had she kept going, she'd have been long gone in front of us, but instead took a smash to the rear quarter. I'd not considered that they would have such trouble on the pavement.
She was gravely injured.
She managed to get out of the road, but once she got into the brush, having only her front legs working, she was stuck.
We had to call for help for her and were grateful to have a compassionate officer arrive, but it's an incident I'll never forget.

I saw almost the exact think happen to the car in front of me on RT-25 just up the hill from the school. Deer ran into a car stopped in traffic, broke it's front legs. It was during hunting season and may have gotten spooked.
I can't tell you how many times over the years I have seen this happen while snowmobiling. It never ends well for the deer as one or more legs are almost always broken.

[Lakesrider]

Couple of rambling thoughts...

Most of the speed limits around here have been the same for 50 years. In that time cars have had all types of safety improvements. ABS, traction control, impact protection crumple zones, air bags etc. Some of these 30 mph areas are simply ridiculous and need to change. These limits were put in place in the age of the DeSoto and Edsel, or before that even. Heck, I think it must have been General Wolfe that installed the 30mph signs around here.
Look at South Main Street in Wolfeboro. It goes from 35 by the Police station, to 40 by the Windrifter, to 30 by the High School in less than a half mile. Who did that and what the heck were they thinking?
As far as tailgaters go. I used to have a great bumper sticker. It read. The closer you get, the slower I go. I need to find that one again.
Correct. Moultonborough is the worst place for speed traps on the planet. Alton has nothing on Moultonborough.
I tell people to watch for deer around here all the time. Especially on Motorcycles. I can't believe we don't have more motorcycle contacts with deer than we do. I see multiple deer on RT 109 almost daily as I go in at dawn and head home at dusk most days. You need to be very careful. That said.....My wife hit a Pug on RT 104 not long ago. I can't believe the damage to the car that a little pug did.... $2800.00.
If you want to make the roads safer there should be mandatory driving classes like they have in Germany. Here you can get your permit and drive that day without any experience. Having another person over the age of 21 in the car with you does absolutely NOTHING. What are they going to do yell at you as you hit another vehicle? Stupid.

[patman]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

Look at South Main Street in Wolfeboro. It goes from 35 by the Police station, to 40 by the Windrifter, to 30 by the High School in less than a half mile. Who did that and what the heck were they thinking?

Yes, that is weird. I always assumed it was 30 from the Wolfeboro town line through the top of N. Main St. I never knew it was higher until I drove through there with my daughter (on her learner's permit) and told her to slow down. As you say, it is posted at 40, and the driver training instructor kept (correctly) telling the kids to speed up there.

The signage in New Durham near Johnson's is incorrect, I think. Southbound from Wolfeboro it goes from 30 to 50. In ND a sign announces the 40mph zone coming up...then there's the 40mph sign...then...nothing. I don't think there is a 50mph sign at the end of the 40mph zone, so in theory it stays 40 all the way down to Farmington. I think the same is true coming northbound. My GPS says the limit bumps back up...but the signs don't. Am I missing something?

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

Most of the speed limits around here have been the same for 50 years. In that time cars have had all types of safety improvements. ABS, traction control, impact protection crumple zones, air bags etc. Some of these 30 mph areas are simply ridiculous and need to change. These limits were put in place in the age of the DeSoto and Edsel, or before that even. Heck, I think it must have been General Wolfe that installed the 30mph signs around here.

You make a good point about the great improvements in automobile safety over the years, but the standard pedestrian or bicyclist still comes without air bags or crumple zones, and human reaction times probably haven't gotten much better since the days of the Model T. There's more to consider than the safety of the people sitting inside the car.

[Winnisquamguy]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

As far as tailgaters go. I used to have a great bumper sticker. It read. The closer you get, the slower I go. I need to find that one again.

You are just asking for trouble with a bumper sticker like that and if you do do this to people. People today are in a hurry to go no where nowadays.The more mature thing to do would be pull over when its safe and let the cars go by. Just food for thought...

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

You are just asking for trouble with a bumper sticker like that and if you do do this to people. People today are in a hurry to go no where nowadays.The more mature thing to do would be pull over when its safe and let the cars go by. Just food for thought...

I admit I have a heavy foot on the highway. I only get cranky when someone traveling in the passing lane doesn't yield to me (if safe to do so). If you aren't moving with the "normal speed of traffic" and in the left lane, you are required to yield to the vehicle overtaking you. Other than that, I'm a pretty mellow driver.

Unless you know who is behind you, purposely pissing someone off could be a mistake.

[NHBUOY]

Are we not grown-ups.?.

[Merrymeeting]

I wish the US would adopt more of the European standards for driving. In most countries in Europe, pulling over for faster traffic is almost a religion and it is enforced. As a result, traffic flows much more smoothly. They also highly frown on passing on the right.

So you don't see the crazy lane changers doing dangerous moves at 80MPH, and less road rage because everyone knows you will pull over as soon as possible. I wish they would start enforcing these rules here.

My worst example of speed limits is Kings Highway/Middleton Road through Middleton. It starts by going from 40 to 35 at the Middleton line. About a mile in, it goes to 30, on a road that could not be more rural and sparsely populated.

When you get to Rt 152/Middleton Lumber, it goes up to 50...for about 500 yrds, then back to 30, down to 20 for 100 yards near a beach on Sunrise Lake, then to 30, back to 50, then 40, all before you reach Farmington.

The Middleton police patrol it constantly, especially in the summer. I was pulled over once doing 34 in the 30 zone. Thankfully it was just a warning. But many other family members and neighbors have been similarly stopped. It's a bit much. Especially the 30-50-30 stretches.

[Lakesrider]

Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

You are just asking for trouble with a bumper sticker like that and if you do do this to people. People today are in a hurry to go no where nowadays.The more mature thing to do would be pull over when its safe and let the cars go by. Just food for thought...

LOL.....Well I am one of those people that hardly ever does the speed limit. I am 54 years old and have only one speeding ticket to my name. No accidents...(Knocking on wood) If I am doing 45 in a 40 zone let's say and some guy comes up to my rear bumper. There is no way I am pulling over to let them go. Now if I was doing 30 in a 40 zone...Then sure I can see your point. But if I am doing 5 or 10 over the speed limit and someone wants to get past me....maybe I am saving someones life further down the road. The more mature thing is for the driver on my a$$ to slow down. Not me to pull over. But that's just me.

[Winnisquamguy]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

LOL.....Well I am one of those people that hardly ever does the speed limit. I am 54 years old and have only one speeding ticket to my name. No accidents...(Knocking on wood) If I am doing 45 in a 40 zone let's say and some guy comes up to my rear bumper. There is no way I am pulling over to let them go. Now if I was doing 30 in a 40 zone...Then sure I can see your point. But if I am doing 5 or 10 over the speed limit and someone wants to get past me....maybe I am saving someones life further down the road. The more mature thing is for the driver on my a$$ to slow down. Not me to pull over. But that's just me.

I just read this in the Penny Saver tonight.....Have you ever noticed anybody going slower than you is an idiot. And anyone going faster is a maniac?

[ITD]

I was driving on 93 north today between Concord and exit 17 and noticed a trooper going 65 in the left lane ahead of me. He was following what turned out to be a lady traveling in the left lane. He followed her for a few miles, at least 2 or 3, all the while the right lane was clear. He lit her up and pulled her over, I'm pretty sure she got a talking to or a ticket for traveling in the left lane.

[tis]

I am glad to hear that, ITD. I hate it when people park themselves in the passing lane!

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by ITD

I was driving on 93 north today between Concord and exit 17 and noticed a trooper going 65 in the left lane ahead of me. He was following what turned out to be a lady traveling in the left lane. He followed her for a few miles, at least 2 or 3, all the while the right lane was clear. He lit her up and pulled her over, I'm pretty sure she got a talking to or a ticket for traveling in the left lane.

Good! I can't tell you how often we see this happening on 95 heading up to camp.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by ITD

I was driving on 93 north today between Concord and exit 17 and noticed a trooper going 65 in the left lane ahead of me. He was following what turned out to be a lady traveling in the left lane. He followed her for a few miles, at least 2 or 3, all the while the right lane was clear. He lit her up and pulled her over, I'm pretty sure she got a talking to or a ticket for traveling in the left lane.

Why didn't he pass her on the right? If I understand you correctly she was going the speed limit and therefore no one should be passing her anyway.

The Trooper must know that a person can pass on the right per TITLE XXI MOTOR VEHICLES

CHAPTER 265 RULES OF THE ROAD.

265:19 When Overtaking on the Right is Permitted. – The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
I. When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
II. Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for 2 or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle;
III. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the roadway.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...265/265-19.htm
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[ITD]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Why didn't he pass her on the right? If I understand you correctly she was going the speed limit and therefore no one should be passing her anyway.

The Trooper must know that a person can pass on the right per TITLE XXI MOTOR VEHICLES

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Actually, I was going some where between 60 and 70 matching him (in the right lane), he was about 1/2 a mile ahead of me following her. I have no idea what he knows, and I was just surmising what he pulled her over for, but it seemed very apparent to me.

That being said, there was absolutely no reason for her to be in the left lane, she was in a spot where the right lane was clear for at least a mile ahead of her and a half mile behind her. There is no reason to be in the passing lane in this instance and someone who does this is a poor driver in my humble opinion. As to whether it is a ticketable offense, I'll leave that to the law experts that frequent this forum.

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Why didn't he pass her on the right? If I understand you correctly she was going the speed limit and therefore no one should be passing her anyway.

The Trooper must know that a person can pass on the right per TITLE XXI MOTOR VEHICLES

CHAPTER 265 RULES OF THE ROAD.

265:19 When Overtaking on the Right is Permitted. – The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
I. When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
II. Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for 2 or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle;
III. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the roadway.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...265/265-19.htm
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This is the NH law she violated. In Massachusetts you are not allowed in the left lane unless you are passing. No matter the speed you're traveling.
Section 265:16

265:16 Drive on Right Side of Roadway; Exceptions. –
I. Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;
(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the way; provided, any person so doing shall yield the right of way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the way within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;
(c) Upon a roadway divided into 3 marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon;
(d) Upon a city street designated and signposted for one-way traffic.
II. Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
III. Upon any roadway having 4 or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for 2-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the center line of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under I(b) hereof.
Source. RSA 262-A:15. 1963, 330:1. 1981, 146:1, eff. Jan. 1, 1982.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by PaugusBayFireFighter

This is the NH law she violated. In Massachusetts you are not allowed in the left lane unless you are passing. No matter the speed you're traveling.
Section 265:16

II. Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

I would say if she was going 70 MPH then she was going "normal speed" for that highway. If the trooper wanted to go above normal speed then he should have passed her on the right.
I don't like it when people hold up traffic in the left lane and they should be stopped by a trooper if they stay in that lane and don't travel at "normal speeds".

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by Rusty

I would say if she was going 70 MPH then she was going "normal speed" for that highway. If the trooper wanted to go above normal speed then he should have passed her on the right.
I don't like it when people hold up traffic in the left lane and they should be stopped by a trooper if they stay in that lane and don't travel at "normal speeds".

So what you are saying is the trooper should break the laws he is hired to enforce?
It is just as illegal to pass on the right as it is to take up the passing lane when not passing and even more dangerous.
I believe the law you quoted applies only to local roads not highways. Unless they changed something it is illegal to pass on the right when on a highway.
Yes all those who love to fly up the right side when there are two lanes that merge into one like at the lights in Meredith, are in fact breaking the law. Even thought many who are in a rush do it, the right lane is meant to merge traffic not as a passing lane.
People who pass on the right are actually putting more people in harm then those on the highway who block the passing lane are, so I believe the police look at those idiots as more of a problem to public safety and would tend target them first.
All those drivers who make it a practice of pulling over into the breakdown lane when making a right turn are in fact also breaking the law.

[HellRaZoR004]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

So what you are saying is the trooper should break the laws he is hired to enforce?
It is just as illegal to pass on the right as it is to take up the passing lane when not passing and even more dangerous.
I believe the law you quoted applies only to local roads not highways. Unless they changed something it is illegal to pass on the right when on a highway.
Yes all those who love to fly up the right side when there are two lanes that merge into one like at the lights in Meredith, are in fact breaking the law. Even thought many who are in a rush do it, the right lane is meant to merge traffic not as a passing lane.
People who pass on the right are actually putting more people in harm then those on the highway who block the passing lane are, so I believe the police look at those idiots as more of a problem to public safety and would tend target them first.
All those drivers who make it a practice of pulling over into the breakdown lane when making a right turn are in fact also breaking the law.

BR - It is LEGAL in NH to pass on the right. This was taught in drivers ed....

265:19 When Overtaking on the Right is Permitted. –The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
I. When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
II. Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for 2 or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle;
III. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the roadway.

[Merrymeeting]

And the last few posts are examples of why the rules should be changed. All these exceptions and special cases, no one really knows for sure.

Like I said earlier. Make it simple. Passing and passing lane on the left. No passing on the right. Enforce these simple rules, and eventually everyone figures it out and things flow more smoothly.

[HellRaZoR004]

Huh?...just because you don't know the rules doesn't mean they need to change. It simply means you need to know where to find them or how to ask questions.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

BR - It is LEGAL in NH to pass on the right. This was taught in drivers ed....

265:19 When Overtaking on the Right is Permitted. –The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
I. When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
II. Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for 2 or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle;
III. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the roadway.

Sorry, I guess we see another instance where the Live Free or Die state lacks the common sense that other states have. As with not requiring drivers to have auto insurance both are instances of laws that really should be addressed and changed if for no other reason then a safety of those around. Oh and I might add helmet law, another touchy subject.

[tis]

You just shouldn't drive in the passing lane, unless you are trying to pass. That's why it's called the passing lane…….

[Winnisquamguy]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Sorry, I guess we see another instance where the Live Free or Die state lacks the common sense that other states have. As with not requiring drivers to have auto insurance both are instances of laws that really should be addressed and changed if for no other reason then a safety of those around. Oh and I might add helmet law, another touchy subject.

I'm curious why you think we need this insurance right now when its been this way all along or for as long as I can remember? There is a lot of other things more important than making sure everyone has insurance right now going on in this state.Have you been hit by an uninsured driver before? Don't we pay for uninsured drivers on our policy anyway? Insurance is like gambling. And we are in a state where the motto is Live Free or Die

[Happy Gourmand]

Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

I'm curious why you think we need this insurance right now when its been this way all along or for as long as I can remember? There is a lot of other things more important than making sure everyone has insurance right now going on in this state.Have you been hit by an uninsured driver before? Don't we pay for uninsured drivers on our policy anyway? Insurance is like gambling. And we are in a state where the motto is Live Free or Die

I agree. The next thing you know, the gubmint will force everybody to have health insurance!!
Off topic, sorry, couldn't resist....

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Sorry, I guess we see another instance where the Live Free or Die state lacks the common sense that other states have. As with not requiring drivers to have auto insurance both are instances of laws that really should be addressed and changed if for no other reason then a safety of those around. Oh and I might add helmet law, another touchy subject.

Why should NH create a law to make people buy auto insurance when it already has a high percentage of insured motorist compared to states that require it:

Look at this chart and you will see that NH only has 11% who are uninsured drivers:

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/chan...motorists.aspx

[Sal]

So the chances are 1 in 9 that, if a person gets clipped
by a car, in NH, there will be no chance of recovery unless, of course, the clippER is a zillionaire and just didn't want to "waste" money on insurance.

Think about just who, among us, chooses to go uninsured. I find it's a
scary thought.

[jrc]

While the rate of uninsured drivers is interesting, what I would be really interested in is the rate of uninsured accidents.

How often does an uninsured NH driver cause damage? If this was a huge problem we would already have an insurance requirement in the law. My one experience with an uninsured driver was an unlicensed driver from Massachusetts. I'm not trying to throw stones at our southern neighbors but that table shows the rate of uninsured licensed drivers, not the rate of uninsured people behind the wheel of a car.

As a side note, some of the people on this thread need a drivers-ed refresher course.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by jrc

While the rate of uninsured drivers is interesting, what I would be really interested in is the rate of uninsured accidents.

How often does an uninsured NH driver cause damage? If this was a huge problem we would already have an insurance requirement in the law. My one experience with an uninsured driver was an unlicensed driver from Massachusetts. I'm not trying to throw stones at our southern neighbors but that table shows the rate of uninsured licensed drivers, not the rate of uninsured people behind the wheel of a car.

As a side note, some of the people on this thread need a drivers-ed refresher course.

I'll throw stones..... I think if some of these "sanctuary" towns down here were put on the hook for the actions of their "refugees" then things would improve, and I am specifically talking about unlicensed illegals who cause damage or worse, death.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Sal

Think about just who, among us, chooses to go uninsured. I find it's a scary thought.

I got caught up in this—in a state that requires automobile insurance.

Over the telephone, I quickly bought into a policy with a company known for "lower rates". When it turned out to be nearly double my present coverage, I quit them without cancelling my other policy. So I had two nearly-identical policies overnight.

That didn't matter to the state, who sent me an official letter demanding my driver's license and registration tags.

Yet almost a quarter of this state's drivers drive uninsured!

[Diver Vince]

Originally Posted by Sal

So the chances are 1 in 9 that, if a person gets clipped
by a car, in NH, there will be no chance of recovery unless, of course, the clippER is a zillionaire and just didn't want to "waste" money on insurance.

Think about just who, among us, chooses to go uninsured. I find it's a
scary thought.

Well not really. Just make sure you have very high liability limits on your own auto policy and matching uninsured motorist coverage. Ergo, if you or someone is injured by an uninsured jerk your own policy will respond to the UM claim the same way as if the tortfeasor had coverage. Physical damage on your car, the same would be applicable.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Why should NH create a law to make people buy auto insurance when it already has a high percentage of insured motorist compared to states that require it:

Look at this chart and you will see that NH only has 11% who are uninsured drivers:

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/chan...motorists.aspx

11% is too much IMO- I wish I did not have to carry uninsured/under-insured insurance!

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

So what you are saying is the trooper should break the laws he is hired to enforce?
It is just as illegal to pass on the right as it is to take up the passing lane when not passing and even more dangerous.
I believe the law you quoted applies only to local roads not highways. Unless they changed something it is illegal to pass on the right when on a highway.

A little backup information with your interpretation of the laws would help.

Just a suggestion for future comments.

Here is the latest NH Drivers Manual...See page 42

Thanks,
Rusty

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by Rusty

A little backup information with your interpretation of the laws would help.

Just a suggestion for future comments.

Here is the latest NH Drivers Manual...See page 42

Thanks,
Rusty

Rusty given that most living in NH are from somewhere else not everyone is up on NH laws. I like most others took my driving test in another state, one which has a lot more common sense when it comes to laws regarding safety on the road.
The fact that it is allowed doesn't make it right as many have posted, but is also indicated by the fact that it is in fact illegal in most states in NE.

As for the insurance thing, unfortunately people like you who have to have something hit close to home literally before they open their eyes and realize something is wrong with it. Lets just hope it is not a loved one who suffers at the hands of an uninsured and you or your family is left fighting for years and years in court with the insurance company.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Rusty given that most living in NH are from somewhere else not everyone is up on NH laws. I like most others took my driving test in another state, one which has a lot more common sense when it comes to laws regarding safety on the road.
The fact that it is allowed doesn't make it right as many have posted, but is also indicated by the fact that it is in fact illegal in most states in NE.

As for the insurance thing, unfortunately people like you who have to have something hit close to home literally before they open their eyes and realize something is wrong with it. Lets just hope it is not a loved one who suffers at the hands of an uninsured and you or your family is left fighting for years and years in court with the insurance company.

"People like you"... "love one who suffers"...What on earth are you talking about.

Your arrogance on this forum is getting to be out of control.

I'll just let it go because you are not worth getting banned from this well run Lakes region forum.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

Rusty given that most living in NH are from somewhere else not everyone is up on NH laws. I like most others took my driving test in another state, one which has a lot more common sense when it comes to laws regarding safety on the road.
The fact that it is allowed doesn't make it right as many have posted, but is also indicated by the fact that it is in fact illegal in most states in NE.

B.R.

Just an fyi... it is legal to pass on the right not only in NH but all of New England. Here's basically what Mass, Maine, Vermont, Connecticut, Rhode Island and NH say, pretty much all the same...

"The driver of a vehicle may, if the roadway is free from obstruction and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles, overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle when the vehicle overtaken is (a) making of about to make a left turn, (b) upon a one-way street, or (c) upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement."

Dan

[RailroadJoe]

I'm waiting for the "flying car". Then they can pass me overhead. As long as I don't have a convertible with the top down.

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

B.R.

Just an fyi... it is legal to pass on the right not only in NH but all of New England. Here's basically what Mass, Maine, Vermont, Connecticut, Rhode Island and NH say, pretty much all the same...

"The driver of a vehicle may, if the roadway is free from obstruction and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles, overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle when the vehicle overtaken is (a) making of about to make a left turn, (b) upon a one-way street, or (c) upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement."

Dan

This was one of the things that got my blood boiling when I first moved to New England over 30 years ago, until I found it was legal to pass on the right.

[Merrymeeting]

I still like my rules (of course! :-) )

Doesn't matter what the speed limit is.
Doesn't matter what speed I'm going.
Doesn't matter what speed the person behind me wants to go.

If that person wants to go faster, I let them. As I am not a LEO, I figure it's not my job to force that person to go a certain speed. As soon as safely possible, I let them get by. Keeps my blood pressure down, probably theirs too.

And there's sometimes an added benefit, as just happened to me on Rt 28 between Alton and Wolfeboro at about 6:15 last night.

I was going about 60mph. Speed limit is 55. A red truck came up fast behind and started following close, clearly wishing to go faster. At the next passing area, I pulled a bit into the breakdown lane and slowed a bit. Of course, he went by.

I then had the pleasure of smiling at him and the Alton officer who had pulled him over a few miles later. Made my night...

[ITD]

I believe 20 or 30 years ago the Feds made states accept things like allowing you to pass on the right on a divided highway to unify the driving laws across the country, they made this a requirement if a state wished to accept federal money for highway improvements and maintenance.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Merrymeeting

I still like my rules (of course! :-) )

Doesn't matter what the speed limit is.
Doesn't matter what speed I'm going.
Doesn't matter what speed the person behind me wants to go.

If that person wants to go faster, I let them. As I am not a LEO, I figure it's not my job to force that person to go a certain speed. As soon as safely possible, I let them get by. Keeps my blood pressure down, probably theirs too.

And there's sometimes an added benefit, as just happened to me on Rt 28 between Alton and Wolfeboro at about 6:15 last night.

I was going about 60mph. Speed limit is 55. A red truck came up fast behind and started following close, clearly wishing to go faster. At the next passing area, I pulled a bit into the breakdown lane and slowed a bit. Of course, he went by.

I then had the pleasure of smiling at him and the Alton officer who had pulled him over a few miles later. Made my night...

Never, ever, speed between Alton and Wolfeboro or it is just a matter of time before you get pulled over.

That red truck might have saved you from being pulled over. Probably not, but you never know.

It is aggravating when you are going the speed limit or a little over and then someone tailgates you and you have to pull over a little to let him by. I'm glad that he got stopped.

[Kamper]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

This was one of the things that got my blood boiling when I first moved to New England over 30 years ago, until I found it was legal to pass on the right.

I was living in Florida the year it went into effect in NH. I was very surprised when I moved back, at the increase of drivers that I thought were breaking the law. It does keep things moving.

[jrc]

As a life-long commuter, I find the ideas of "don't pass on the right" and "keep right except to pass" quaint. These are throwbacks to a different time of nice, polite country roads. They really don't make any sense on high traffic interstates.

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by Kamper

I was living in Florida the year it went into effect in NH. I was very surprised when I moved back, at the increase of drivers that I thought were breaking the law. It does keep things moving.

I agree things do move better. I was frustrated because I started to get into the right lane to allow them to pass and I guess I just wasn't fast enough in some cases.

[Sunbeam lodge]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Why didn't he pass her on the right? If I understand you correctly she was going the speed limit and therefore no one should be passing her anyway.

The Trooper must know that a person can pass on the right per TITLE XXI MOTOR VEHICLES

CHAPTER 265 RULES OF THE ROAD.

265:19 When Overtaking on the Right is Permitted. – The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
I. When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
II. Upon a roadway with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for 2 or more lines of vehicles moving lawfully in the direction being traveled by the overtaking vehicle;
III. The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the roadway.

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...265/265-19.htm
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Germany does it right. You would not dare travel in the left lane on the Autobahln unless you were passing or traveling at a speed no one could catch you. Its so aggravating driving north on the mass exodus from florida when drivers sit in the left lane and then travel at the same speed as the driver in the next lane until road rage sets in and then there is a free for all to get around them. In areas where there are 3 lanes you can travel up to 85 in the slow lane for miles as there is no one there. Most drivers dont care at what speed you want to drive but dont sit in the left lane to prove a point

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

LOL.....Well I am one of those people that hardly ever does the speed limit. I am 54 years old and have only one speeding ticket to my name. No accidents...(Knocking on wood) If I am doing 45 in a 40 zone let's say and some guy comes up to my rear bumper. There is no way I am pulling over to let them go. Now if I was doing 30 in a 40 zone...Then sure I can see your point. But if I am doing 5 or 10 over the speed limit and someone wants to get past me....maybe I am saving someones life further down the road. The more mature thing is for the driver on my a$$ to slow down. Not me to pull over. But that's just me.

I hear you Paul, I was going 35 in the Mboro Gauntlet last year during bikeweek (5 over) when these donkeys in a mini-van came up on my butt. I stayed my speed and they passed me in front of the school. I never wished to see a Moultonborough cruiser so much in my life. The real bummer was that the three guys in the van were riders (or playing dress up)

[bclaker]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

I saw almost the exact think happen to the car in front of me on RT-25 just up the hill from the school. Deer ran into a car stopped in traffic, broke it's front legs. It was during hunting season and may have gotten spooked.
I can't tell you how many times over the years I have seen this happen while snowmobiling. It never ends well for the deer as one or more legs are almost always broken.

This morning I had a doe run across the Bypass on top of the hill between Route 107and Rolute 11 A. I had just enough time to brake and let her by. I had a car behuind me and he was able to brake to avoid hitting me.

[RailroadJoe]

PATMAN There is a sign about 150 yards pass Johnson heading south on RT 11 that goea back to 55. I always have a line of cars behind me doing the 55 from Alton circle to Farmington. Some even pass me and the cars behind me doing about 70. I have to have my speedomoter checked. Maybe its off a few MPH.

And yes the speed limit was set way back when, but there were not as many cars on the road then and they realy didn't do 70 MPH. THey just raised the limit on I93, maybe they can increase the 30 MPH to 40, as many do that anyway.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

PATMAN There is a sign about 150 yards pass Johnson heading south on RT 11 that goea back to 55. I always have a line of cars behind me doing the 55 from Alton circle to Farmington. Some even pass me and the cars behind me doing about 70. I have to have my speedomoter checked. Maybe its off a few MPH.

And yes the speed limit was set way back when, but there were not as many cars on the road then and they realy didn't do 70 MPH. THey just raised the limit on I93, maybe they can increase the 30 MPH to 40, as many do that anyway.

I'll do 60, maybe 65 if with traffic, but I will not go over 65 and rarely even over 60 on Rt-11, we see way to many cops traveling that road. There are signs in both directions ramping the speed back up after Johnsons. It should drop down there as it is an intersection and a busy restaurant with lots of cars coming and going.
Lakesrider I have seen that bumper sticker. I dislike bumper stickers but was thinking of having Gator signs print it out for me in letters so I can put it across the bottom of the tailgate on my truck.