Two bombs at the finish line of the Boston Marathon

[Just Sold]

I agree with the webmaster and and your new post NoBozo is out of line. It has nothing to do with Lake Winipesaukee and the lakes region. Time to shut down the thread.

[Rusty]

Lookup "Exigent circumstance in United States law".

God Bless America.

[LongBay]

Originally Posted by Just Sold

I agree with the webmaster and and your new post NoBozo is out of line. It has nothing to do with Lake Winipesaukee and the lakes region. Time to shut down the thread.

Why do you think that for some folks who live in the lakes region and were directly impacted by this event should not be discussed? It's not just about the houses on the lake but also the people who live in them. Mr. Webmaster, please do not drop this thread.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by LongBay

Why do you think that for some folks who live in the lakes region and were directly impacted by this event should not be discussed? It's not just about the houses on the lake but also the people who live in them. Mr. Webmaster, please do not drop this thread.

With that mindset anything could be tied back to the lakes region in SOME manner. I ate pizza for lunch, there are pizza places in the lakes region. There are some in the area of the bombing. Does that make it a lakes region topic?

Political views are meant to be kept off the forum per the webmaster, and at one point this thread was headed that way. Thats why I requested it be locked down.

Originally Posted by tmi guy

Last time I checked, the Constitution still applies in the lakes region. So, a discussion here of whether or not we should be worried about infringements on our constitutional rights (in the lakes region, of course) may very well be appropriate. Of course, the Webmaster makes the final call on that.

Perfect example above. I think enough is enough on this thread.

To FLL's comments on fireworks: reloadable mortars/shells were legalized in NH a year ago I believe. I still cant understand it, mortars are legal but bottle rockets and firecrackers are not????

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Just Sold

It has nothing to do with Lake Winipesaukee and the lakes region. Time to shut down the thread.

Last time I checked, the Constitution still applies in the lakes region. So, a discussion here of whether or not we should be worried about infringements on our constitutional rights (in the lakes region, of course) may very well be appropriate. Of course, the Webmaster makes the final call on that.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by TMI Guy

Last time I checked, the Constitution still applies in the lakes region. So, a discussion here of whether or not we should be worried about infringements on our constitutional rights (in the lakes region, of course) may very well be appropriate. Of course, the Webmaster makes the final call on that.

I'm with just sold, it's getting old. Bad enough the news will be running with this for the next 3 months and FB is also flooded with the same things your seeing over and over again on TV.
I agree it is a tragedy and I'm all with bringing us up to date on new developments.

[fatlazyless]

......arrgghhhh.....I'll probably get slammed for bringing this item up but here goes .....here's a New Hampshire connection to the Boston Marathon bombing......On February 6, 2013, the older brother purchased a $199.99 firework item containing four launch tubes and 24 black powder shells from Phantom Fireworks in Seabrook, NH. For buying this one item, he received a second similar item for free in a 'buy one-get one free promo deal.'

Do Massachusetts stores have fireworks items like this item for sale?

Maybe he travelled the 45-minutes to one hour-drive time from Cambridge, MA to Seabrook, NH, depending on traffic, to avoid the Massachusetts 6.25% sales tax or more likely, it's because Mass has no fireworks stores (is this correct?)?

Suggest you read about it in today's April 24 New York Daily News which includes a photo of the fireworks item and the store in Seabrook, NH.

www.nydailynews.com

This particular firework item is described on the box as "barely legal."

www.fireworks.com for Phantom Fireworks

[LakeSnake]

FLL - no fireworks allowed down in Mass. No stores, no nothin.

Not to fan the smodelring fire here but there is (in my mind at least) a BIG difference between searching a house under "Exigent circumstance" and forceing the residents/owners out at gun point. I think the 4th Amendament was clearly violated if that is the case.
Personally I had been thinking all along that the response level was a little over the top. I know hind sight is 20/20 but look at how he was actually apprehended in the end - local citizen/local cops.
Was it an opportunity for a power play by the gov't - you bet - did they take that opportunity - you bet.

[kauriel]

My understanding is that the MIT officer who died had family in Lakes Region and I would guess other victims also had connections to the lake as well so let's all take a moment to pay some respect to him and all those hurt in the bombings.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by kauriel

My understanding is that the MIT officer who died had family in Lakes Region and I would guess other victims also had connections to the lake as well so let's all take a moment to pay some respect to him and all those hurt in the bombings.

This has nothing to do with respect at all. This subject has been beaten and miked for all it is worth and many other very news worthy things have been ignored. How about a little respect for those people.
This is a lakes region web-site, this has nothing at all to do with the lakes region. Just because there is a personal tie doesn't make it a lakes region subject.
This is exactly why many of the older members of the forum have left. For me it's more entertainment.

[webmaster]

I remove threads all the time that are unrelated to the Lakes Region. Since 9/11 I have also made exceptions for monumental events. This monumental event happened very close to home and directly affected many of our members. I do try to contain the comments within a single thread and they are usually closed after everyone has had a chance to comment. If I had removed this thread and prevented any comments about the bombings I would have been harshly criticized and probably lost more members than if I allowed it.

[tis]

Originally Posted by webmaster

I remove threads all the time that are unrelated to the Lakes Region. Since 9/11 I have also made exceptions for monumental events. This monumental event happened very close to home and directly affected many of our members. I do try to contain the comments within a single thread and they are usually closed after everyone has had a chance to comment. If I had removed this thread and prevented any comments about the bombings I would have been harshly criticized and probably lost more members than if I allowed it.

You have a tough job. I am glad I don't have to make these decisions. You can't please everyone. Thanks for all you do. I can't imagine all the work you put into this forum!!

[HomeWood]

It appears that these two brothers weren't quite finished. Maybe all that pesky police work was worth it......

http://www.wral.com/police-boston-su...york/12381659/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/25...-times-square/

[Grandpa Redneck]

Originally Posted by HomeWood

It appears that these two brothers weren't quite finished. Maybe all that pesky police work was worth it......

http://www.wral.com/police-boston-su...york/12381659/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/25...-times-square/

Actually he was found when they allowed the citizens to come out of their homes. The boat owner came out of his house and saw the shrink wrap was loose on his boat, found the suspect in his boat and called police. (in an area they had already canvassed and claimed was secure by the way)

[HomeWood]

Sometimes the needle in the haystack is missed at first. Watertown and the surrounding area is a large haystack to secure and search. It's not surprising that he managed to sneak around undetected for so long. Sometimes suspects are able to "double back" in a search area. I've seen it happen numerous times in person.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Grandpa Redneck

(in an area they had already canvassed and claimed was secure by the way)

I heard that the home was just outside their search area.

I used to live north of Route 16 but in the same general area as the shootout and search. It would be relatively easy to slip from yard to yard in the dark of night, but the area is hemmed in by major roads and a river.

[chipj29]

I get up early for work as I commute from Bow to Cambridge. Fri 4/19 I was on the road and started hearing the news. I didn't hear the part about not coming into the city until I was almost at work, so I kept going to the office. My office is about 2-3 miles as the crow flies from where they ended up finding the guy. I stayed at work until noon, and it truly was a surreal experience. The very busy road our office is on was more or less abandoned by private vehicles. There was a constant stream of police cruisers (marked, unmarked, SUVs, SWAT etc), ambulances, and rescue vehicles going by. At about 11AM, at least a dozen NH state troopers went by at a decent clip (I later heard that they were there to support the local officers/give them a break). I am glad I left work when I did. There was no one else on the road, and I could tell by the fire truck at the Dunkin Donuts next door (they were getting lunch) that I was not in any danger. After I got back home, I was glued to the TV.

I have NO problem with the stay in place request/order from the Gov. It was a good call considering that the guy they were looking for was A. tied to an event that killed 3 ppl and injured hundreds, B. tied to the cold-blooded murder of a police officer, and C. tied to the police chase where there was gun fire and grenade-type weapons being thrown out the window at police. The guy was desperate, and showed that he was willing to do whatever it took to get away.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by LakeSnake

"...Not to fan the smodelring fire here but there is (in my mind at least) a BIG difference between searching a house under "Exigent circumstance" and forcing the residents/owners out at gun point...I think the 4th Amendment was clearly violated if that is the case.
Personally I had been thinking all along that the response level was a little over the top. I know hind sight is 20/20 but look at how he was actually apprehended in the end - local citizen/local cops. Was it an opportunity for a power play by the gov't - you bet - did they take that opportunity - you bet.

I didn't see any Internet images that police actually used "gunpoint" to move citizens out of their houses; however, "Exigent-Circumstances" are defined by those doing the enforcing.

"Who watches The Watchmen?"

[NoBozo]

Originally Posted by ApS

I didn't see any Internet images that police actually used "gunpoint" to move citizens out of their houses; however, "Exigent-Circumstances" are defined by those doing the enforcing.

Go back to post #72 and link to the pictures AND video. "Keep your hands above your head".........Yes Sir.. NB

[LakeSnake]

Originally Posted by ApS

I didn't see any Internet images that police actually used "gunpoint" to move citizens out of their houses; however, "Exigent-Circumstances" are defined by those doing the enforcing.

Definition:
Exigent circumstances may make a warrantless search constitutional if probable cause exists. The existence of exigent circumstances is a mixed question of law and fact.[3] There is no absolute test for determining if exigent circumstances exist, but general factors have been identified. These include: clear evidence of probable cause; the seriousness of the offense and likelihood of destruction of evidence; limitations on the search to minimize the intrusion only to preventing destruction of evidence; and clear indications of exigency.

APS - I agree they may have the Exigent circumstances to conduct the search. But if you think having your teenaged child removed from your house at gunpoint, about 10 officers with military, I am sure fully automatic rifles pointed at your child with thier fingers on the trigger while he is searched - twice- with his hands up - then your definition of "limitations on the search to minimize the intrusion " and mine are vastly different.

Please read and support the Constiution of US - it is at risk in these crazy time we live in.

P.S. you won't find those immages on any main stream media source. Because they don't want you to.

[tis]

I must admit, I was pretty shocked by the video No Bozo posted. Until he posted that, I had no idea how that whole scenario was carried out. I had no idea they were moving people out of their houses at gunpoint, with their hands in the air. The tv news certainly did not report it.

[BroadHopper]

The media have focus thier attention on the 2 brothers instead of the victims. I'm getting tired of this.......................

[tis]

Well, we all know how the media is. That is why those who only get their news from the 6:00 news, have no idea what is really going on with anything in the country, not just this.

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

Originally Posted by tis

Well, we all know how the media is. That is why those who only get their news from the 6:00 news, have no idea what is really going on with anything in the country, not just this.

I think Don Henley said it perfectly!!

"We can do "The Innuendo"
We can dance and sing
When it's said and done we haven't told you a thing
We all know that Crap is King
Give us dirty laundry!"

[NoBozo]

Originally Posted by tis

Well, we all know how the media is. That is why those who only get their news from the 6:00 news, have no idea what is really going on with anything in the country, not just this.

Those would be the "Low Information Voters".

For those that don't frequent the internet news places: Go to the Drudge Report for starters...Drudge doesn't WRITE articles..he just Links you to other articles. YOU Decide. NB

http://www.drudgereport.com/

[tis]

Yes, NB. Low Information voters. I check out the Drudge Report more than once every day. He often has the news a couple of days before anybody else. That is if anybody else bothers to run it at all.

[Argie's Wife]

Originally Posted by tis

Yes, NB. Low Information voters. I check out the Drudge Report more than once every day. He often has the news a couple of days before anybody else. That is if anybody else bothers to run it at all.

And have you noticed that the links are often to UK papers, who seem to have better stories on this so far?

This whole thing hit way too close to home. Bear Islander's post sounds much like other stories I've heard from folks who were in the midst of it all - many people in our area were impacted by this bombing, as many had families in the marathon or were in it themselves. It's no small thing. I'm glad Don left this thread up - thanks!

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by Argie's Wife

And have you noticed that the links are often to UK papers, who seem to have better stories on this so far?

This whole thing hit way too close to home. Bear Islander's post sounds much like other stories I've heard from folks who were in the midst of it all - many people in our area were impacted by this bombing, as many had families in the marathon or were in it themselves. It's no small thing. I'm glad Don left this thread up - thanks!

Since the bombings I have been mostly watching the news on BBC World News. They have more hard news and less hype and speculation. Plus they talk so cute. They were pronouncing Watertown as Water-ton.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Argie's Wife

And have you noticed that the links are often to UK papers, who seem to have better stories on this so far?

This whole thing hit way too close to home. Bear Islander's post sounds much like other stories I've heard from folks who were in the midst of it all - many people in our area were impacted by this bombing, as many had families in the marathon or were in it themselves. It's no small thing. I'm glad Don left this thread up - thanks!

Yes, I have noticed. I think the UK papers do a better job of reporting our news than our news media does in this country.

[NonVoting Taxpayer]

Bclaker - The link you included in your post is in very poor taste. I may be in the minority but I don't see any useful purpose where it needs to be included on this Winnipesaukee forum. Out of respect for the victims those pictures don't need to be circulated by you or anyone to be viewed by someone who knows or is related to one of the victims. I undersatnd the pictures are available on the internet but let some trashy website provide them. Even with your disclaimer, they are not even close to what I expected.

[bclaker]

Originally Posted by NonVoting Taxpayer

Bclaker - The link you included in your post is in very poor taste. I may be in the minority but I don't see any useful purpose where it needs to be included on this Winnipesaukee forum. Out of respect for the victims those pictures don't need to be circulated by you or anyone to be viewed by someone who knows or is related to one of the victims. I undersatnd the pictures are available on the internet but let some trashy website provide them. Even with your disclaimer, they are not even close to what I expected.

You are entirely correct. I had not thought of vitims or relatives looking at it. For that reason it is inappropriate and I removed it.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

I'm with just sold, it's getting old. Bad enough the news will be running with this for the next 3 months and FB is also flooded with the same things your seeing over and over again on TV.
I agree it is a tragedy and I'm all with bringing us up to date on new developments.

As with any thread, forum members who feel like a topic is getting old always have the choice not to click on the thread and read anymore.