Bahre Estate

secondcurve · 08-18-2005, 06:55 PM

What does the tax bill for the Bahre hotel run per year? Regardless of what you think of the property it is pretty obvious that Mr. Bahre is screaming for attention. How old is this guy? Is he as insecure as that property seems to indicate he is?

GWC... · 08-18-2005, 07:12 PM

Are you as envious as your post seems to indicate you are?

Dave R · 08-18-2005, 08:57 PM

That house will be a cherished landmark, like the lighthouse on Spindle Point, in a 100 years. Lighten up folks

Aquadeziac · 08-18-2005, 09:15 PM

I believe the amount of Mr Bahre's 2003 taxes to Alton was $383,000. Ooooops......theres a tax increase coming, will the price for seating tickets go up too? Better start lining up at the new Hannafords now and avoid the rush.

Fishy Cover · 08-18-2005, 10:47 PM

Wealth and taste are very different attributes and many have the former without the latter.

Look at Squam Lake: there are multi-billionaires who build extraordinary homes and painstakingly landscape them to keep them in harmony with their surroundings and keep the shoreline verdant. The homes are elegant but fit in their surroundings. They respect the lake ambience, the very reason they want to be here in the first place. Understatement is the norm, garish displays of wealth are considered gauche.

I think that anyone who is fortunate enough to own waterfront property has a responsibility to society to keep it as close to natural as possible.

MovieStar · 08-19-2005, 05:07 AM

I used to live in colorado outside of Vail. Vail BECAME Vail in the early sixties. The land prior to becoming a winter play ground was sheep pastures. Only ranchers lived in the area. Now the entire valley which is about 45 miles long is full of Multi-million dollar ski chalets. It is one of the most beautiful places on the face of the earth. One day the world outside of the valley found out what a treasure it was and rushed in. Naturally those with the deepest pockets bought up what little land there was and brought their lavish lifestyle with them. Thats the way it is, like it or not. To this day there are people who try to cling to that way of life which is only 40 yrs old but are just way out of touch with what the valley has become, a tourist attraction. This could possibly be the begining of such a change. The world has found your little secret and it likes it, or maybe not. There are some positives though. The schools in that valley are some of the nicest schools in the country. The one highschool has a bio-building which has a fish hatchery and grows a variety of flowers with hydroponics. Not bad for a public school.

PROPELLER · 08-19-2005, 08:13 AM

I believe Mr. Bahre is in his mid 70's. The Millie B boat driver said the taxes on the Bahre estate are $1,000 a day.

Cal · 08-19-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PROPELLER

The Millie B boat driver said the taxes on the Bahre estate are $1,000 a day.

That is totally outageous. Politicians have absolutely no conscience. Unless of course it was a $1000 a day fine for scaring the land so badly

boathousegirl · 08-19-2005, 09:34 AM

Good Lord! Give the guy a break. It's his money, his property and his style. Don't look at it if you don't like it. Let's not forget, this is America. Get a life!

Mee-n-Mac · 08-19-2005, 09:51 AM

Hmmm ... what could I possibly add to this mess. Well my neighbor has this ugly yellow Miata. I mean bright yellow and it sure sticks out like a sore thumb. Frankly it disturbs me to look at it and now I think I have the answer. I'm writing my congressman to pass a law; no more yellow cars. While I'm at it, I'm not too keen on green cars either. And now that I think of it, the Victorian House restaurant on Rt11, well the owners painted it, painted it purple of all things. I thought it was an eyesore before but now it's a tidy, but purple, eyesore. Guess I'll be writing 2 letters ...

ps - You the more I think of it, the more things I find aren't quite up to my lofty sense of style. My other neighbor, Bob, he's no winner in the looks department if you know what I mean. And lets not even mention his wife. Ugly people out and about in public where I might have to view them, I tell ya there outta be a law. Make that 3 letters ....

MJM · 08-19-2005, 11:25 AM

A yellow Miata? Eeew.

Anyway, the bottom line is that Residential Zoning DOES exist. It's a set of regulations intended to find a happy medium between personal freedoms (having a bright yellow Miata in the yard) and the best interest of a community as a whole (not allowing someone to have 30 bright yellow Miatas in the yard).

I think the gist of the sentiments here in this thread are simply that it would be nice if the natural beauty was protected somewhat more than it has been on Wiini. Controlling growth is only common sense. It's not easy, as people's opinions as to the level of acceptability will always vary, but it is necessary.

The first time I went to Squam lake 25 years ago and heard of the tight controls they impose on builders/owners, I thought it was wrong. Now when I see how Squam looks compared to Winni, I see they were right.

Heck, look at Governor Mitt's place in Wolfeboro. Very big, multiple buildings, tons of land, etc., yet it blends nicely with the shoreline.

PROPELLER · 08-19-2005, 03:15 PM

boathousegirl, Its funny because thats what I say, "get over it" to shore front property owners who complain about rafting, anchored boats in front of their shore, high performance boats, loud boats. They don't have too look at the high performance boats that pass by, boats anchored or rafting, they can plug their ears when a loud boat passes.

I guess we all have something that irritates us, pet peeves. I'm sure you do too. It just happens to be my pet peeve on the lake that I don't like looking at the many properties around the lake that ruined the shoreline. Obliterated the trees along the shore in favor of well manicured lawns, built ostentacious mansions that do not blend in. Grouse Point in Meredith really irritated me when that was built.

While I know the snowmobilers will not be happy with this but I am so glad that the Castle in the Clouds, Ossipee range in Moultonborough was not sold to developers. That would have been a mess & a shame. However, I do feel bad for the snowmobilers & I support their complaints.

The next time a shore front property owner asks me to move because he does not want to look at my boat while I am anchored I will respond that I don't like looking at his McMansion & manicured lawn devoid of trees so were even.

mcdude · 08-19-2005, 06:21 PM

I was just checking out this photo posted by FlyGuy today on Photopost and thinking that actually quite a bit of the shoreline was left intact and that you can only see the house(s) from a limited vantage point. It certainly could have been worse. What if the whole (Clay) Point had been cleared of trees along the shoreline?

It goes without saying that it's too bad that when CAMP ALTON became available' the Town of Alton was not able to purchase the property. Or for that matter, the LAKES REGION CONSERVATION TRUST as they have done recently with Castle in the Clouds.

Speaking of CASTLE in the CLOUDS , I think that the Bahre Estate would qualify as the third castle on or near the lake. (I'm disqualifying Sleeper's Castle due to its' relatively small size.) Thomas Plant built Castle in the Clouds circa. 1915.
Benjamin Kimball built KIMBALL'S CASTLE in 1895. I wonder what the thoughts of the "general populace" (such as us) were about the building of these castles at the time?

?

On the positive side; the Bahre property could have been broken up into many more lots. Perhaps, eventually, it will become public when someone is not able to afford it any longer between the taxes and the upkeep.

PS - Bahre is the biggest taxpayer in Alton. Perhaps, in part, that is why the kiddos in Alton and Barnstead are enjoying the benefits of the brand new Prospect Mountain High School. (Not to mention the "contribution" of the rest of us non-voting taxpayers.)

BroadHopper · 08-19-2005, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MovieStar

I used to live in colorado outside of Vail. Vail BECAME Vail in the early sixties. The land prior to becoming a winter play ground was sheep pastures. Only ranchers lived in the area. Now the entire valley which is about 45 miles long is full of Multi-million dollar ski chalets.

I bought a house on foreclosure in Breckingridge CO. in the late '90's. Since then the area was booming. The area between Dillon and Breckenridge was remote, now developed with million dollar homes.
As an investment property, it was paying for itself by renting it out in the winter months. After 9/11, I've been having a hard time renting it out to pay the expenses. The property's value has skyrocketed in the past few years and so has the taxes. I am hard pressed to keep the property.
Winnipesaukee is not alone.

08-18-2005, 06:55 PM	#1
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,119 Thanks: 1,332 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	How much?? What does the tax bill for the Bahre hotel run per year? Regardless of what you think of the property it is pretty obvious that Mr. Bahre is screaming for attention. How old is this guy? Is he as insecure as that property seems to indicate he is?

08-18-2005, 09:15 PM	#4
Aquadeziac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Concord NH Posts: 239 Thanks: 19 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I believe the amount of Mr Bahre's 2003 taxes to Alton was $383,000. Ooooops......theres a tax increase coming, will the price for seating tickets go up too? Better start lining up at the new Hannafords now and avoid the rush. __________________ "He who dies with the most toys wins"

08-18-2005, 10:47 PM	#5
Fishy Cover Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 134 Thanks: 10 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Taste Wealth and taste are very different attributes and many have the former without the latter. Look at Squam Lake: there are multi-billionaires who build extraordinary homes and painstakingly landscape them to keep them in harmony with their surroundings and keep the shoreline verdant. The homes are elegant but fit in their surroundings. They respect the lake ambience, the very reason they want to be here in the first place. Understatement is the norm, garish displays of wealth are considered gauche. I think that anyone who is fortunate enough to own waterfront property has a responsibility to society to keep it as close to natural as possible.

08-19-2005, 05:07 AM	#6
MovieStar Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sometimes things change I used to live in colorado outside of Vail. Vail BECAME Vail in the early sixties. The land prior to becoming a winter play ground was sheep pastures. Only ranchers lived in the area. Now the entire valley which is about 45 miles long is full of Multi-million dollar ski chalets. It is one of the most beautiful places on the face of the earth. One day the world outside of the valley found out what a treasure it was and rushed in. Naturally those with the deepest pockets bought up what little land there was and brought their lavish lifestyle with them. Thats the way it is, like it or not. To this day there are people who try to cling to that way of life which is only 40 yrs old but are just way out of touch with what the valley has become, a tourist attraction. This could possibly be the begining of such a change. The world has found your little secret and it likes it, or maybe not. There are some positives though. The schools in that valley are some of the nicest schools in the country. The one highschool has a bio-building which has a fish hatchery and grows a variety of flowers with hydroponics. Not bad for a public school.

08-19-2005, 08:13 AM	#7
PROPELLER Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 340 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Response to Secondcurve I believe Mr. Bahre is in his mid 70's. The Millie B boat driver said the taxes on the Bahre estate are $1,000 a day.

08-18-2005, 07:12 PM	#2
GWC... Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,325 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Are you as envious as your post seems to indicate you are?

08-18-2005, 08:57 PM	#3
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 246 Thanked 744 Times in 444 Posts	That house will be a cherished landmark, like the lighthouse on Spindle Point, in a 100 years. Lighten up folks

08-19-2005, 09:34 AM	#9
boathousegirl Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston and Winnisquam Posts: 44 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Get Over It Good Lord! Give the guy a break. It's his money, his property and his style. Don't look at it if you don't like it. Let's not forget, this is America. Get a life!

08-19-2005, 09:51 AM	#10
Mee-n-Mac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,943 Thanks: 23 Thanked 111 Times in 51 Posts	Eyesores Hmmm ... what could I possibly add to this mess. Well my neighbor has this ugly yellow Miata. I mean bright yellow and it sure sticks out like a sore thumb. Frankly it disturbs me to look at it and now I think I have the answer. I'm writing my congressman to pass a law; no more yellow cars. While I'm at it, I'm not too keen on green cars either. And now that I think of it, the Victorian House restaurant on Rt11, well the owners painted it, painted it purple of all things. I thought it was an eyesore before but now it's a tidy, but purple, eyesore. Guess I'll be writing 2 letters ... ps - You the more I think of it, the more things I find aren't quite up to my lofty sense of style. My other neighbor, Bob, he's no winner in the looks department if you know what I mean. And lets not even mention his wife. Ugly people out and about in public where I might have to view them, I tell ya there outta be a law. Make that 3 letters .... __________________ Mee'n'Mac "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by simple stupidity or ignorance. The latter are a lot more common than the former." - RAH

08-19-2005, 11:25 AM	#11
MJM Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 11 Posts	Zoning Is a Fact of Life A yellow Miata? Eeew. Anyway, the bottom line is that Residential Zoning DOES exist. It's a set of regulations intended to find a happy medium between personal freedoms (having a bright yellow Miata in the yard) and the best interest of a community as a whole (not allowing someone to have 30 bright yellow Miatas in the yard). I think the gist of the sentiments here in this thread are simply that it would be nice if the natural beauty was protected somewhat more than it has been on Wiini. Controlling growth is only common sense. It's not easy, as people's opinions as to the level of acceptability will always vary, but it is necessary. The first time I went to Squam lake 25 years ago and heard of the tight controls they impose on builders/owners, I thought it was wrong. Now when I see how Squam looks compared to Winni, I see they were right. Heck, look at Governor Mitt's place in Wolfeboro. Very big, multiple buildings, tons of land, etc., yet it blends nicely with the shoreline.

08-19-2005, 03:15 PM	#12
PROPELLER Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 340 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	boathousegirl, Its funny because thats what I say, "get over it" to shore front property owners who complain about rafting, anchored boats in front of their shore, high performance boats, loud boats. They don't have too look at the high performance boats that pass by, boats anchored or rafting, they can plug their ears when a loud boat passes. I guess we all have something that irritates us, pet peeves. I'm sure you do too. It just happens to be my pet peeve on the lake that I don't like looking at the many properties around the lake that ruined the shoreline. Obliterated the trees along the shore in favor of well manicured lawns, built ostentacious mansions that do not blend in. Grouse Point in Meredith really irritated me when that was built. While I know the snowmobilers will not be happy with this but I am so glad that the Castle in the Clouds, Ossipee range in Moultonborough was not sold to developers. That would have been a mess & a shame. However, I do feel bad for the snowmobilers & I support their complaints. The next time a shore front property owner asks me to move because he does not want to look at my boat while I am anchored I will respond that I don't like looking at his McMansion & manicured lawn devoid of trees so were even.

08-19-2005, 06:21 PM	#13
mcdude Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rock Haven Lake - West Newfield, ME Posts: 5,367 Thanks: 374 Thanked 1,057 Times in 495 Posts	A Few Thoughts I was just checking out this photo posted by FlyGuy today on Photopost and thinking that actually quite a bit of the shoreline was left intact and that you can only see the house(s) from a limited vantage point. It certainly could have been worse. What if the whole (Clay) Point had been cleared of trees along the shoreline? It goes without saying that it's too bad that when CAMP ALTON became available' the Town of Alton was not able to purchase the property. Or for that matter, the LAKES REGION CONSERVATION TRUST as they have done recently with Castle in the Clouds. Speaking of CASTLE in the CLOUDS , I think that the Bahre Estate would qualify as the third castle on or near the lake. (I'm disqualifying Sleeper's Castle due to its' relatively small size.) Thomas Plant built Castle in the Clouds circa. 1915. Benjamin Kimball built KIMBALL'S CASTLE in 1895. I wonder what the thoughts of the "general populace" (such as us) were about the building of these castles at the time? ? On the positive side; the Bahre property could have been broken up into many more lots. Perhaps, eventually, it will become public when someone is not able to afford it any longer between the taxes and the upkeep. PS - Bahre is the biggest taxpayer in Alton. Perhaps, in part, that is why the kiddos in Alton and Barnstead are enjoying the benefits of the brand new Prospect Mountain High School. (Not to mention the "contribution" of the rest of us non-voting taxpayers.) Last edited by mcdude; 08-19-2005 at 06:41 PM.