anchoring overnight

BroadHopper · 07-10-2013, 07:03 PM

Is a great place to anchor! I was told RI is very boater friendly and I believe it. I don't see the boneheads when I cruise RI. Did RI send them all up here?

Resident 2B · 07-11-2013, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Is a great place to anchor! I was told RI is very boater friendly and I believe it. I don't see the boneheads when I cruise RI. Did RI send them all up here?

Gee, fewer rules and fewer boneheads. Maybe if we did not have all the rules, we would not have all the boneheads!

I sold my boat on the lake a year ago and I am back on saltwater. Happy is an understatement! It does drive me crazy looking out at an empty 30' breakwater dock while I am at the lake, but I am having better boating days and that is important to me.

R2B

BroadHopper · 07-11-2013, 07:50 PM

behind all the rules and regulation is too eliminate boating on the lake. A group of folks with money and free time on their hands are loving it when they here folks are boating elsewhere.

Not me! I'm not leaving. I bought a bigger boat and now they are p.o. that there are bigger wakes to contend with. I do my boating during the week and off season. I love disturbing the quietness and there is not a thing they can do about it!

NHBUOY · 07-11-2013, 09:19 PM

Look at BH. Defiantly Boating, for spite.

NH_boater · 07-12-2013, 07:14 AM

No interest in boating anywhere else...

BroadHopper · 07-12-2013, 09:14 AM

If you look up all the regulations, if the boat is technically a houseboat with galley, head, and berth, you cannot anchor overnight in a spot away from navigation traffic. There is no regulation written that a day cruiser with no galley or head can anchor overnight. I do know from time to time there were talk of appending the rules all watercraft and I haven't seen it happen.

I hear that the marine patrol will not allow anchoring overnight period. The last time I anchor overnight on the lake was about six years ago. I had always benn able to find a nice spot away from most light pollution and be able to enjoy falling asleep watching the constellation.

I posted elsewhere the only time MP approach me staying overnight is when a young cadet argued with me about anchor light vs navigation light. The young pup insist that I have the navigation lights on when anchoring. Because he was steamed I got a ticket. The next morining I presented the ticket to his supervisor and it was taking care of.

HellRaZoR004 · 07-12-2013, 12:56 PM

As I read this it looks to me that if you own the adjacent property you can anchor. That there my friend is complete BS. Why should a property owner have more of a right to anchor in a public space than someone else.

Dave R · 07-12-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

As I read this it looks to me that if you own the adjacent property you can anchor. That there my friend is complete BS. Why should a property owner have more of a right to anchor in a public space than someone else.

I am not a proponent of the law by any means; I think it's complete BS as well, but I can see where this particular provision is necessary. If you own waterfront property and don't have a dock, you should still be able to tie a boat up for the night. OR If you have overnights guests and insufficient dock space, you should be able to let them tie up for the night.

HellRaZoR004 · 07-12-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

I am not a proponent of the law by any means; I think it's complete BS as well, but I can see where this particular provision is necessary. If you own waterfront property and don't have a dock, you should still be able to tie a boat up for the night. OR If you have overnights guests and insufficient dock space, you should be able to let them tie up for the night.

Now lets address sleeping on the boat instead then.

NoBozo · 07-12-2013, 06:11 PM

Sleeping on the boat: Let's try this. If you anchor in Salt water (Tidewater)..and you dump overboard..the stuff just flushes out to sea for the most part. Food for the lobsters and crabs.

Remember that the next time you order Lobster.

In the Lake..Not so much. The lake is essentially a closed system..

NB

PS: IF you could TRUST people to do the right thing and Retain their sewage in a holding tank and pump it out later at a marina...everything would be fine. Trouble is.....

HellRaZoR004 · 07-12-2013, 07:08 PM

People that both do and don't have heads still use the drink to do their business. What do you think happens after all that drinking...That's never going to change.

Now requiring boats to have pumping heads and better awareness seems more reasonable. For instance, I know some marinas have pumpouts - which ones, and any idea what one costs?

Dave R · 07-12-2013, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

People that both do and don't have heads still use the drink to do their business. What do you think happens after all that drinking...That's never going to change.

Now requiring boats to have pumping heads and better awareness seems more reasonable. For instance, I know some marinas have pumpouts - which ones, and any idea what one costs?

There's two free pump outs in Meredith. I use them all the time. I think you'd have a very tough time finding a boat on the lake with a functioning discharge.

jrc · 07-12-2013, 07:43 PM

It fries me whenever this comes up because the state is really strict about discharge. No black water (poop) and no gray water (showers). The huge majority of the boats on the lake have been checked by the DES for functioning holding tanks. I paid $1000 extra for my boat to add a gray water capture system.

The DES boat used to dock in my club. They have a list of hull number and if you're not on the list they inspect. They walk the docks all the time. Now yes a few trailer boats sneak through but how many people trailer boats with toilets?

All the big marinas have pumpouts, most will pumpout for free with a gas purchase or if you just ask nicely. There is a free one in Meredith, my personal favorite, wicked strong, never a line.

Do people swim off boats and pee in the water, of course, but so do swimmers from shore.

The anti-overnight anchoring drive is not water quality, it's privacy. Land owners don't want to look a someone else's boat in front of their beach. They don't want a loud party at 2AM. They don't want people coming ashore at 6AM to "walk" their dog.

Like usual instead of dealing with each real problem, they pass a law banning all overnight anchoring.

HellRaZoR004 · 07-12-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

It fries me whenever this comes up because the state is really strict about discharge. No black water (poop) and no gray water (showers). The huge majority of the boats on the lake have been checked by the DES for functioning holding tanks. I paid $1000 extra for my boat to add a gray water capture system.

The DES boat used to dock in my club. They have a list of hull number and if you're not on the list they inspect. They walk the docks all the time. Now yes a few trailer boats sneak through but how many people trailer boats with toilets?

All the big marinas have pumpouts, most will pumpout for free with a gas purchase or if you just ask nicely. There is a free one in Meredith, my personal favorite, wicked strong, never a line.

Do people swim off boats and pee in the water, of course, but so do swimmers from shore.

The anti-overnight anchoring drive is not water quality, it's privacy. Land owners don't want to look a someone else's boat in front of their beach. They don't want a loud party at 2AM. They don't want people coming ashore at 6AM to "walk" their dog.

Like usual instead of dealing with each real problem, they pass a law banning all overnight anchoring.

Then ban it for everyone, not just people that don't own property. This double standard is ridiculous.

WeirsBeachBoater · 07-12-2013, 08:50 PM

I just see a post regarding a Fundraiser, to be held in Meredith. Where they plan on spending 44hrs in a life raft anchored off Hesky park from what I can tell from the description. How is that legal?

BroadHopper · 07-13-2013, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WeirsBeachBoater

I just see a post regarding a Fundraiser, to be held in Meredith. Where they plan on spending 44hrs in a life raft anchored off Hesky park from what I can tell from the description. How is that legal?

It's not technically a houseboat or a motorized boat so it may pass. I'm sure the organizers receive permission.

WeirsBeachBoater · 07-13-2013, 12:44 PM

Found out they indeed have permits, and have to hire MP details for the event.

Dave R · 07-12-2013, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

Now lets address sleeping on the boat instead then.

Why does that matter? You can sleep in the boat at your own dock; think of it as the same as a dock.

The real reason for the law is that waterfront property owners don't want to listen to people partying on the water late at night. Rather than try to enforce laws against disturbing the peace, this is easier.

For a short time in the 70s, anchoring overnight was legal in NH. I recall some great nights on my parent's boat rafted up with a friend's boat for the night. We were quiet and anchored far from any homes. It was awesome. I still do it on my own boat now, and it's still awesome, just not in NH.

07-10-2013, 07:03 PM	#1
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,571 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 1,101 Times in 793 Posts	Block Island RI Is a great place to anchor! I was told RI is very boater friendly and I believe it. I don't see the boneheads when I cruise RI. Did RI send them all up here? __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

07-11-2013, 07:50 PM	#3
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,571 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 1,101 Times in 793 Posts	The whole idea behind all the rules and regulation is too eliminate boating on the lake. A group of folks with money and free time on their hands are loving it when they here folks are boating elsewhere. Not me! I'm not leaving. I bought a bigger boat and now they are p.o. that there are bigger wakes to contend with. I do my boating during the week and off season. I love disturbing the quietness and there is not a thing they can do about it! __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

07-12-2013, 09:14 AM	#6
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,571 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 1,101 Times in 793 Posts	As for overnight anchoring If you look up all the regulations, if the boat is technically a houseboat with galley, head, and berth, you cannot anchor overnight in a spot away from navigation traffic. There is no regulation written that a day cruiser with no galley or head can anchor overnight. I do know from time to time there were talk of appending the rules all watercraft and I haven't seen it happen. I hear that the marine patrol will not allow anchoring overnight period. The last time I anchor overnight on the lake was about six years ago. I had always benn able to find a nice spot away from most light pollution and be able to enjoy falling asleep watching the constellation. I posted elsewhere the only time MP approach me staying overnight is when a young cadet argued with me about anchor light vs navigation light. The young pup insist that I have the navigation lights on when anchoring. Because he was steamed I got a ticket. The next morining I presented the ticket to his supervisor and it was taking care of. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

07-12-2013, 06:11 PM	#10
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Flush Sleeping on the boat: Let's try this. If you anchor in Salt water (Tidewater)..and you dump overboard..the stuff just flushes out to sea for the most part. Food for the lobsters and crabs. Remember that the next time you order Lobster. In the Lake..Not so much. The lake is essentially a closed system.. NB PS: IF you could TRUST people to do the right thing and Retain their sewage in a holding tank and pump it out later at a marina...everything would be fine. Trouble is.....

07-12-2013, 08:50 PM	#15
WeirsBeachBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 709 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 148 Times in 65 Posts	Funny this topic comes up.... I just see a post regarding a Fundraiser, to be held in Meredith. Where they plan on spending 44hrs in a life raft anchored off Hesky park from what I can tell from the description. How is that legal?

07-11-2013, 09:19 PM	#4
NHBUOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Loon Mtn. winters...Meredith Neck summers Posts: 398 Thanks: 288 Thanked 94 Times in 60 Posts	Look at BH. Defiantly Boating, for spite.

07-12-2013, 07:14 AM	#5
NH_boater Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 298 Thanks: 14 Thanked 147 Times in 62 Posts	No interest in boating anywhere else...

07-12-2013, 12:56 PM	#7
HellRaZoR004 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Litchfield/Gilford Posts: 828 Thanks: 233 Thanked 224 Times in 131 Posts	As I read this it looks to me that if you own the adjacent property you can anchor. That there my friend is complete BS. Why should a property owner have more of a right to anchor in a public space than someone else.

07-12-2013, 07:08 PM	#11
HellRaZoR004 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Litchfield/Gilford Posts: 828 Thanks: 233 Thanked 224 Times in 131 Posts	People that both do and don't have heads still use the drink to do their business. What do you think happens after all that drinking...That's never going to change. Now requiring boats to have pumping heads and better awareness seems more reasonable. For instance, I know some marinas have pumpouts - which ones, and any idea what one costs?

07-12-2013, 07:43 PM	#13
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	It fries me whenever this comes up because the state is really strict about discharge. No black water (poop) and no gray water (showers). The huge majority of the boats on the lake have been checked by the DES for functioning holding tanks. I paid $1000 extra for my boat to add a gray water capture system. The DES boat used to dock in my club. They have a list of hull number and if you're not on the list they inspect. They walk the docks all the time. Now yes a few trailer boats sneak through but how many people trailer boats with toilets? All the big marinas have pumpouts, most will pumpout for free with a gas purchase or if you just ask nicely. There is a free one in Meredith, my personal favorite, wicked strong, never a line. Do people swim off boats and pee in the water, of course, but so do swimmers from shore. The anti-overnight anchoring drive is not water quality, it's privacy. Land owners don't want to look a someone else's boat in front of their beach. They don't want a loud party at 2AM. They don't want people coming ashore at 6AM to "walk" their dog. Like usual instead of dealing with each real problem, they pass a law banning all overnight anchoring.

07-13-2013, 12:44 PM	#17
WeirsBeachBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 709 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 148 Times in 65 Posts	Found out they indeed have permits, and have to hire MP details for the event. Last edited by WeirsBeachBoater; 07-13-2013 at 08:30 PM. Reason: Found new info