Water Temp

webmaster · 11-01-2013, 09:56 AM

Something is definitely wrong with the water temps being reported by the Lakeport dam. Yesterday they reported 46° and today 55°.

The Weathercam site is the only other source I have for the water temp and it is now reporting -103.9 °F at 2 ft. Without another source I have no choice but to post the temp. reported by the dam, even if it doesn't look right.

phoenix · 11-01-2013, 10:40 AM

thx Don 55 certainly seems more likely

Merrymeeting · 11-01-2013, 12:40 PM

I've been tracking the Winni/Lakeport temps compared to the ones I take on Merrymeeting for many years now. I've always been within a degree or 2 of the Lakeport readings, until recently.

My dock is finally out so my regular readings are done for the season, but as of a few days ago, I was still getting readings in the mid-50's. I'll do some spot ones until the ice forms.

PaugusBayFireFighter · 11-14-2013, 11:23 AM

Today's Bizer report from Lakeport Dam has the water at a chilly 38 degrees. I have the same temps a foot below the surface near Christmas Island.

webmaster · 12-13-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by webmaster

Something is definitely wrong with the water temps being reported by the Lakeport dam. Yesterday they reported 46° and today 55°.

...Without another source I have no choice but to post the temp. reported by the dam, even if it doesn't look right.

Another strange temperature report of 28° from the Lakeport Dam yesterday. I don't think I've ever seen it that low. In Mid-winter with the lake completely frozen over the water temperature never gets below 33° at the dam.

fatlazyless · 12-13-2013, 11:54 AM

...am supposedly removing my little 16' fishing boat & motor this afternoon....am concerned about the water between Shep Browns and the Cattle Landing freezing over....and a weekend snow storm is predicted so it seems like it is time to take it all out......along with the dock and boatlift....no fun hoisting a boatlift up thru a foot of snow....and slipp'n and slidd'n up and down the rocky embankment.....u-know that I remove a 450-lb boatlift all by myself with a makeshift 10' plank ramp and a winch attached to a handy tree......one does not have to be crazy to do this alone....but it helps??? Have been doing it like this for maybe ten years or more, now.

PaugusBayFireFighter · 12-13-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by webmaster

Another strange temperature report of 28° from the Lakeport Dam yesterday. I don't think I've ever seen it that low. In Mid-winter with the lake completely frozen over the water temperature never gets below 33° at the dam.

Lakeport takes their readings at 1' below the surface. It was pretty windy and rough yesterday, I can only think that the choppy water, below freezing wind chills and shallow depth of the thermometer are the reason for the weird reading? Although wind and other factors would always exist. I looked back in time and haven't seen any historic Lakeport water temps recorded below 34.
No doubt the water is plenty cold enough to freeze. Not sure about 28 degrees though. The wind broke up the ice around my dock and I have 33 degrees, but it's at about 2'.

Last year on this day the lake temp was 40 degrees!

jrc · 12-13-2013, 12:12 PM

Trying to remember my high school physics, is it even possible to have liquid water at 28F?

PaugusBayFireFighter · 12-13-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Trying to remember my high school physics, is it even possible to have liquid water at 28F?

I think we took the same course!
Bottom line, water freezes to a solid at 32F / 0C.

SIKSUKR · 12-13-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Trying to remember my high school physics, is it even possible to have liquid water at 28F?

Average salinity sea water freezes at about 28 degrees.

brk-lnt · 12-13-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

Trying to remember my high school physics, is it even possible to have liquid water at 28F?

Yes.

Google "supercooled water".

Granted it's unlikely that any of those cases exist in a lake, but it is technically possible to have liquid water below 32F.

webmaster · 12-15-2013, 09:16 AM

25° on Saturday???

fatlazyless · 12-15-2013, 10:34 AM

.....yesterday afternoon Saturday about 1-pm as I was removing my large boat-lift up the embankment....I could see some pretty good sized sheets of ice forming all along the outer northern side of Governor's Island...and a couple spots of maybe 20-acres each out by Timber and Mark Island....the air temp at the time was about 10-degrees and the wind was very still....untill a little bit later on when the wind picked up a bit....and the wind increase was apparently enough to disolve the newly formed ice sheets back into liquid water....

...you know the Tilton Wal-Mart carries fishing waders and they have these el cheapo deluxo's which work super-duper....only $16.95...with stocking feet that go inside your sneakers or water shoes....the nylon-vinyl wader goes up all the way to one's armpits, and include two short elastic suspender straps to go over your shoulders or criss-crossed over one's neck...dock removal happiness is having waders which do not leak....and at just 16.95....a steal of a high-quality deal.........gotta love that Tilton Wal-Mart because neither Gilford or Plymouth carry any waders!

PaugusBayFireFighter · 12-15-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

...you know the Tilton Wal-Mart carries fishing waders and they have these el cheapo deluxo's which work super-duper....only $16.95...with stocking feet that go inside your sneakers or water shoes....the nylon-vinyl wader goes up all the way to one's armpits, and include two short elastic suspender straps to go over your shoulders or criss-crossed over one's neck...dock removal happiness is having waders which do not leak....and at just 16.95....a steal of a high-quality deal.........gotta love that Tilton Wal-Mart because neither Gilford or Plymouth carry any waders!

These trash bags with a sock in them??
Only $11.99 free ship to store!

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Texsport-S...Wader/25539526

fatlazyless · 12-15-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PaugusBayFireFighter

These trash bags with a sock in them??
Only $11.99 free ship to store!

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Texsport-S...Wader/25539526

No, the brand at the Tilton Wal-Mart was not Tex-Sport, and they go up higher, like all the way to my armpits with extra loose fit to spare, plus they come in at least two sizes.....large and double large or something....say-hey...$16.95 for a somewaht similar but different item at Tilton???

upthesaukee · 12-15-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

No, the brand at the Tilton Wal-Mart was not Tex-Sport, and they go up higher, like all the way to my armpits with extra loose fit to spare, plus they come in at least two sizes.....large and double large or something....say-hey...$16.95 for a somewaht similar but different item at Tilton???

When you wear chest waders, you should also wear a belt tightly around your chest to keep water from pouring in if you should get into a hole that is deeper than the top of your waders. This can literally be a life saver.

Merrymeeting · 12-15-2013, 05:03 PM

If anyone buys waders at the Tilton Wal-Mart soon, I suggest you check them closely. They may have been used and then returned.

Blue Thunder · 12-18-2013, 08:47 PM

The water temp today is posted as 25 degrees. So by now everyone should be convinced that the water temps posted and commented on in this thread have been bogus for weeks if not months. If, in fact, the water temp was 25 degrees...the lake would be solid ice and a temp that low could not really be measured accurately. Just sayin....

PaugusBayFireFighter · 12-18-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

The water temp today is posted as 25 degrees. So by now everyone should be convinced that the water temps posted and commented on in this thread have been bogus for weeks if not months. If, in fact, the water temp was 25 degrees...the lake would be solid ice and a temp that low could not really be measured accurately. Just sayin....

Besides the obvious problem with the readings now at Lakeport Dam, where do you see anything to dismiss the earlier reported readings posted and commented on?

The temperature of 38 degrees on Nov. 15th was what you questioned. You said "I highly doubt the water temp is 38*....must be something wrong with the sensor. Its just too early for water temps that low."

Six days later on Nov. 21st, when Lakeport reported temps of 36 degrees, you said "Sorry PBFF. There's no way the lake is 36 degrees yet. It's just too early for those water temps to be accurate. Ice of any significance is at least a month away."

Now, knowing that ice started forming 2 weeks later, you still think the readings were bogus? It's not plausible that the lake could be 38 degrees on Nov. 15th and 35 degrees on the 28th with ice forming in the coves? What am I missing?

I agree the temps may be wrong at Lakeport now, but when you originally questioned my post I said that I confirmed the water temps by looking at my two dock thermometers, which are now under about 4 inches of solid ice, about a month earlier than last year.

The picture is looking across Paugus Bay at Lakeport where the temps are recorded. It appears to have "significant" ice, as does most of the lake.
http://www.rattlesnakecam.com/icein.htm

Blue Thunder · 12-19-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PaugusBayFireFighter

Besides the obvious problem with the readings now at Lakeport Dam, where do you see anything to dismiss the earlier reported readings posted and commented on?

The temperature of 38 degrees on Nov. 15th was what you questioned. You said "I highly doubt the water temp is 38*....must be something wrong with the sensor. Its just too early for water temps that low."

Six days later on Nov. 21st, when Lakeport reported temps of 36 degrees, you said "Sorry PBFF. There's no way the lake is 36 degrees yet. It's just too early for those water temps to be accurate. Ice of any significance is at least a month away."

Now, knowing that ice started forming 2 weeks later, you still think the readings were bogus? It's not plausible that the lake could be 38 degrees on Nov. 15th and 35 degrees on the 28th with ice forming in the coves? What am I missing?

I agree the temps may be wrong at Lakeport now, but when you originally questioned my post I said that I confirmed the water temps by looking at my two dock thermometers, which are now under about 4 inches of solid ice, about a month earlier than last year.

The picture is looking across Paugus Bay at Lakeport where the temps are recorded. It appears to have "significant" ice, as does most of the lake.
http://www.rattlesnakecam.com/icein.htm

Not looking in any way to get into a point/counterpoint with you sir! I wasn't the only one to question the water temps all the way back to October. Just go back and re read this entire thread. My comments are based on the reports from Lakeport Dam. They have been significantly fluctuating since the end of October. Several forum members including phoenix, FLL, and our own Webmaster have commented as to the temp reporting accuracy.
When I made the comment on Nov 15th "I highly doubt the water temp is 38*....must be something wrong with the sensor. Its just too early for water temps that low", you agreed with me!
So to answer your question...yes I am still suspect of the readings today and 6-8 weeks ago. Also, while much of the lake has ice on it, I wouldn't call it significant at all. Much of it is probably very thin. JMHO.

BT

11-01-2013, 10:40 AM	#2
phoenix Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: phoenix and moultonboro Posts: 1,561 Thanks: 63 Thanked 276 Times in 194 Posts	thx Don 55 certainly seems more likely __________________ it's tough to make predictions specially about the future

11-14-2013, 11:23 AM	#4
PaugusBayFireFighter Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 837 Thanks: 361 Thanked 674 Times in 264 Posts	It won't be long now... Today's Bizer report from Lakeport Dam has the water at a chilly 38 degrees. I have the same temps a foot below the surface near Christmas Island.

12-13-2013, 11:54 AM	#6
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,842 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,033 Times in 752 Posts	...am supposedly removing my little 16' fishing boat & motor this afternoon....am concerned about the water between Shep Browns and the Cattle Landing freezing over....and a weekend snow storm is predicted so it seems like it is time to take it all out......along with the dock and boatlift....no fun hoisting a boatlift up thru a foot of snow....and slipp'n and slidd'n up and down the rocky embankment.....u-know that I remove a 450-lb boatlift all by myself with a makeshift 10' plank ramp and a winch attached to a handy tree......one does not have to be crazy to do this alone....but it helps??? Have been doing it like this for maybe ten years or more, now. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

12-15-2013, 10:34 AM	#13
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,842 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 303 Thanked 1,033 Times in 752 Posts	.....got leaky waders? .....yesterday afternoon Saturday about 1-pm as I was removing my large boat-lift up the embankment....I could see some pretty good sized sheets of ice forming all along the outer northern side of Governor's Island...and a couple spots of maybe 20-acres each out by Timber and Mark Island....the air temp at the time was about 10-degrees and the wind was very still....untill a little bit later on when the wind picked up a bit....and the wind increase was apparently enough to disolve the newly formed ice sheets back into liquid water.... ...you know the Tilton Wal-Mart carries fishing waders and they have these el cheapo deluxo's which work super-duper....only $16.95...with stocking feet that go inside your sneakers or water shoes....the nylon-vinyl wader goes up all the way to one's armpits, and include two short elastic suspender straps to go over your shoulders or criss-crossed over one's neck...dock removal happiness is having waders which do not leak....and at just 16.95....a steal of a high-quality deal.........gotta love that Tilton Wal-Mart because neither Gilford or Plymouth carry any waders! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

12-18-2013, 08:47 PM	#18
Blue Thunder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Eastern MA & Frye Island/Sebago Lake, Maine Posts: 952 Thanks: 256 Thanked 351 Times in 158 Posts	Lets get this back on the subject.... The water temp today is posted as 25 degrees. So by now everyone should be convinced that the water temps posted and commented on in this thread have been bogus for weeks if not months. If, in fact, the water temp was 25 degrees...the lake would be solid ice and a temp that low could not really be measured accurately. Just sayin.... __________________ " Live for today because yesterday is gone and tomorrow may never come"

11-01-2013, 09:56 AM	#1
webmaster Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,470 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 461 Thanked 3,964 Times in 849 Posts	Something is definitely wrong with the water temps being reported by the Lakeport dam. Yesterday they reported 46° and today 55°. The Weathercam site is the only other source I have for the water temp and it is now reporting -103.9 °F at 2 ft. Without another source I have no choice but to post the temp. reported by the dam, even if it doesn't look right.

11-01-2013, 12:40 PM	#3
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,227 Thanks: 304 Thanked 800 Times in 368 Posts	I've been tracking the Winni/Lakeport temps compared to the ones I take on Merrymeeting for many years now. I've always been within a degree or 2 of the Lakeport readings, until recently. My dock is finally out so my regular readings are done for the season, but as of a few days ago, I was still getting readings in the mid-50's. I'll do some spot ones until the ice forms.

12-13-2013, 12:12 PM	#8
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Trying to remember my high school physics, is it even possible to have liquid water at 28F?

12-15-2013, 09:16 AM	#12
webmaster Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,470 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 461 Thanked 3,964 Times in 849 Posts	25° on Saturday???

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12-15-2013, 05:03 PM	#17
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,227 Thanks: 304 Thanked 800 Times in 368 Posts	If anyone buys waders at the Tilton Wal-Mart soon, I suggest you check them closely. They may have been used and then returned.