Official 2013-14 Ice-In Thread

chachee52 · 01-19-2014, 11:02 PM

Just came back from a nice relaxing weekend on the lake at Lake Shore Park. I ask this question: what is the "official" definition of ice-in? Because when I got up there Friday the open water from Welch to Diamond was pretty obvious. By today at noon, it was skimmed over and snow was covering it. Now would I say "ice-in"? NO, because the skim could not hold a rock of any size, but there was ice over the water. Now if the wind stays down this week, then the cold weather that is predicted this week we should see the ice nicely locked in.

tis · 01-20-2014, 09:03 AM

It has historically always been around he 3rd week of Jan before the broads are iced over completely. I think this has been said before, but thought I would say it again.

FLAG! · 01-20-2014, 06:01 PM

I was surprised at the lack of bob houses I saw on wolfeboro bay over the weekend, however the guy at the bait shop told me people have been taking atv's out to barn door island and beyond. The snow we got will certainly invite the sleds out there.

dippasan · 01-21-2014, 11:11 PM

None of my business but I couldn't help but notice your user name of "Flag" and your avatar/photo is an antler.
There's an old movie called "The Yearling" where a young boy cares for an orphaned deer. If memory serves the boy names it Flag because of the white tail. Phenomenal movie.
Any connection?? Just wondering

Thanks

FLAG! · 01-22-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dippasan

None of my business but I couldn't help but notice your user name of "Flag" and your avatar/photo is an antler.
There's an old movie called "The Yearling" where a young boy cares for an orphaned deer. If memory serves the boy names it Flag because of the white tail. Phenomenal movie.
Any connection?? Just wondering

Thanks

That's pretty funny. I was just thinking yesterday that my avatar is old and not relevant. I will have to check out that movie. Flag! is a reference to ice fishing which is one of my favorite winni activities. The antlers were in reference to my pursuit of whitetail. I know smoe hunters refer to a wiving whitetail in the woods as a flag. I saw one just this year as I settled into my tree stand on a very windy day. Straight away 100 yards out a white "flag" was waiving at me.

dippasan · 01-22-2014, 11:02 AM

Thanks for the reply. Didn't mean to get off the "Ice In" subject.
The Yearling starred Gregory Peck and Jane Wyman. Great movie for kids to watch. Full of life lessons, struggles, accountability and self reliance. In other words...full of things that seem to be forgotten by many today!!

Thanks

FLAG! · 01-22-2014, 11:07 AM

You're dead on accurate with that statement! Thanks.

dowshill · 01-22-2014, 12:25 PM

Black Cat seems to think the lake is frozen in, is that just that end of the lake? Are we making progress out in the Broads?

Slickcraft · 01-22-2014, 02:23 PM

Still some open water between Welch and Diamond. Not as much open now but still a good size strip.

A while ago, in jest, I suggested that there may be a new geothermal vent in that area. Now I am starting to wonder. It is real cold out there isn't it?

Well if there is still open water tomorrow morning.............

pcmc · 01-22-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Slickcraft

Still some open water between Welch and Diamond. Not as much open now but still a good size strip.

A while ago, in jest, I suggested that there may be a new geothermal vent in that area. Now I am starting to wonder. It is real cold out there isn't it?

Well if there is still open water tomorrow morning.............

Great, now there will be a 'geothermal vent fee' for boaters.

secondcurve · 01-23-2014, 07:07 AM

I sit miles away from the lake at this moment but I am making the bold prediction that ice in will be declared within 24 hours.

NHWakesurfer · 01-23-2014, 09:04 AM

If this cold weather hasn't locked it up yet it might just not ever happen this year. Slickcraft might be on to something. At this rate Lake Michigan might freeze over sooner. today has to be the day any updates from overnight. Now we just need some snow!

Slickcraft · 01-23-2014, 10:33 AM

We made a quick stop at the scenic overlook and from there both of us think that there is still a strip of open water between Welch and Diamond. If I am that way again today I'll bring the binoculars to see if I can see any wave action. I would have walked out to check but I was scheduled back home to cook breakfast sandwiches.

SIKSUKR · 01-23-2014, 12:27 PM

It must be the Geothermal Vortex.

pcmc · 01-23-2014, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dippasan

Thanks for the reply. Didn't mean to get off the "Ice In" subject.
The Yearling starred Gregory Peck and Jane Wyman. Great movie for kids to watch. Full of life lessons, struggles, accountability and self reliance. In other words...full of things that seem to be forgotten by many today!!

Thanks

Sorry to veer in the wrong direction again!

Is this movie still available? I googled it and found reviews and a down load option, but I would like to have a hard copy such as a DVD or tape if that's even possible anymore.

Blue Thunder · 01-23-2014, 01:16 PM

Looking much closer to total coverage today. The pic is a little milky but still worth looking at.

BT

And yes, "hot springs" Sebago Lake to the right remains largely open....

Slickcraft · 01-23-2014, 01:29 PM

Went back with the binoculars, that is definitely a patch of water in my earlier post today. Light blue color and moving ripples on the surface.

But is not a large patch of water, maybe 1,500' long and 300' wide and ever so slowly shrinking.

All looks solid elsewhere, bob houses between FL 26 and north Welch.

Is 99 44/100 good enough? I don't know.

upthesaukee · 01-23-2014, 01:35 PM

If the Mount Washington UTV can make it to its 5 ports of call on the ice, then it is ice in.

Slickcraft · 01-23-2014, 01:54 PM

Answering my own question: If it is not safe to travel from the broads to Glendale passing between Welch and Diamond due to open water, then declaring ice-in would give a false sense of security. Like for a snow machine traveling at night.

dippasan · 01-23-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pcmc

Sorry to veer in the wrong direction again!

Is this movie still available? I googled it and found reviews and a down load option, but I would like to have a hard copy such as a DVD or tape if that's even possible anymore.

I'm not sure if it's available on DVD or not. I've seen several clips on You Tube and I think it can be seen in it's entirety on You Tube as well. Its one of those movies like "Captain's Courageous" or "Down to the Sea In Ships" that has great lessons for youth and a great message. You won't be disappointed! Enjoy.

pcmc · 01-23-2014, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dippasan

I'm not sure if it's available on DVD or not. I've seen several clips on You Tube and I think it can be seen in it's entirety on You Tube as well. Its one of those movies like "Captain's Courageous" or "Down to the Sea In Ships" that has great lessons for youth and a great message. You won't be disappointed! Enjoy.

Thankyou, and I appreciate your additional suggestions.

ishoot308 · 01-24-2014, 09:01 AM

Here's a couple more pics of the open water I took this morning. Definitely smaller than last time I saw it but still can't believe it has not frozen especially with the -1 degree temps last night!

Dan

HellRaZoR004 · 01-24-2014, 09:19 AM

Let's see if this works. Not my photos (Emerson Aviation), just re-posting them. These images are from yesterday.

Pine Island Guy · 01-24-2014, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

Here's a couple more pics of the open water I took this morning. Definitely smaller than last time I saw it but still can't believe it has not frozen especially with the -1 degree temps last night!

Dan

with the below zero temps and very little wind, it is very strange that this particular spot hasn't at least skimmed over... I think it's time for forum member Diver1111 to take a trip down under and find out what's going on... Russian satellite with nuclear power that crashed in the lake? fissure from the famous New England fault line releasing magma? Remnants of the Naval work at Diamond Island? Underwater laboratory of Doctor Evil?

The good news is that there has been very solid ice from Y-Landing out to Pine Island for the past few weeks, so I'm happy! (although watch out for the usual pressure ridge between Bear and Pine)

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr it's cold -PIG

Slickcraft · 01-24-2014, 10:33 AM

The open area is wider that it appears from shore, see 2nd pic in Emerson series posted by HellRaZoR004. Also the area of surrounding unsafe ice is quite extensive. Yikes!

FLAG! · 01-24-2014, 11:06 AM

This is nuts! How can that area be unfrozen with the consistently cold temps we've had? Has it been windy at night up there? All it should take is one calm night with these tempareatures to skim that over and it should thicken quickly.

Island Girl · 01-24-2014, 11:25 AM

Must be underwater serpents keeping the water moving.

It does seem strange.

IG

Island Girl · 01-24-2014, 11:27 AM

Just in case you all missed the thread on the power out on Rattlesnake Island. That is the reason that Snake Eyes is not updating.

The power company guys will get out there when the ice is safe.

Merrymeeting · 01-24-2014, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FLAG!

This is nuts! How can that area be unfrozen with the consistently cold temps we've had? Has it been windy at night up there? All it should take is one calm night with these tempareatures to skim that over and it should thicken quickly.

Refer to the recent post about the volume of water in the Winnipesaukee watershed. It takes a LONG time to change the temperature of billions of gallons of water even 1 degree. Also keep in mind that the water in the lower levels of the lake is 50ish degrees.

I assume that this area of the lake has more turbulence than other parts and the "warmer" water below is being brought up, keeping this area open despite the amazingly cold and long-durnation weather we're having.

Eventually it will freeze as the overall water body cools, and it will be the same, frustrating, seemingly-forever, time to go in the opposite direction in the Spring, as we all check the webcams multiple times a day for ice-out

(Keep in mind, Don's post for the ice-out contest will be here in a week!)

dowshill · 01-24-2014, 01:12 PM

We are interested in talking to the elect company about hitching up, we are 1 of 4 on the island who aren't connected. Could you send along the contact info for who you have been talking to, perhaps that would be a good time for them to check out our possibilities. Thanks.

SIKSUKR · 01-24-2014, 03:33 PM

This is bizarre.

webmaster · 01-24-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dowshill

We are interested in talking to the elect company about hitching up, we are 1 of 4 on the island who aren't connected. Could you send along the contact info for who you have been talking to, perhaps that would be a good time for them to check out our possibilities. Thanks.

If you want to discuss electric service please start another thread. This is the Ice-In thread.

HellRaZoR004 · 01-24-2014, 04:56 PM

This was from 1hr ago:

01-21-2014, 11:11 PM	#4
dippasan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hooksett NH and Sleepers Isl Posts: 392 Thanks: 288 Thanked 190 Times in 83 Posts	Flag None of my business but I couldn't help but notice your user name of "Flag" and your avatar/photo is an antler. There's an old movie called "The Yearling" where a young boy cares for an orphaned deer. If memory serves the boy names it Flag because of the white tail. Phenomenal movie. Any connection?? Just wondering Thanks __________________ Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity

01-22-2014, 11:02 AM	#6
dippasan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hooksett NH and Sleepers Isl Posts: 392 Thanks: 288 Thanked 190 Times in 83 Posts	Thanks for the reply. Didn't mean to get off the "Ice In" subject. The Yearling starred Gregory Peck and Jane Wyman. Great movie for kids to watch. Full of life lessons, struggles, accountability and self reliance. In other words...full of things that seem to be forgotten by many today!! Thanks __________________ Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity

01-22-2014, 02:23 PM	#9
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,314 Thanks: 1,232 Thanked 2,101 Times in 960 Posts	Not yet Still some open water between Welch and Diamond. Not as much open now but still a good size strip. A while ago, in jest, I suggested that there may be a new geothermal vent in that area. Now I am starting to wonder. It is real cold out there isn't it? Well if there is still open water tomorrow morning.............

01-23-2014, 10:33 AM	#13
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,314 Thanks: 1,232 Thanked 2,101 Times in 960 Posts	We made a quick stop at the scenic overlook and from there both of us think that there is still a strip of open water between Welch and Diamond. If I am that way again today I'll bring the binoculars to see if I can see any wave action. I would have walked out to check but I was scheduled back home to cook breakfast sandwiches. Attached Images

01-23-2014, 12:27 PM	#14
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	It must be the Geothermal Vortex. __________________ SIKSUKR

01-19-2014, 11:02 PM	#1
chachee52 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Gilford, NH Posts: 459 Thanks: 6 Thanked 94 Times in 73 Posts	Just came back from a nice relaxing weekend on the lake at Lake Shore Park. I ask this question: what is the "official" definition of ice-in? Because when I got up there Friday the open water from Welch to Diamond was pretty obvious. By today at noon, it was skimmed over and snow was covering it. Now would I say "ice-in"? NO, because the skim could not hold a rock of any size, but there was ice over the water. Now if the wind stays down this week, then the cold weather that is predicted this week we should see the ice nicely locked in.

01-20-2014, 09:03 AM	#2
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,766 Thanks: 753 Thanked 1,462 Times in 1,018 Posts	It has historically always been around he 3rd week of Jan before the broads are iced over completely. I think this has been said before, but thought I would say it again.

01-20-2014, 06:01 PM	#3
FLAG! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upton, MA Posts: 112 Thanks: 44 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	I was surprised at the lack of bob houses I saw on wolfeboro bay over the weekend, however the guy at the bait shop told me people have been taking atv's out to barn door island and beyond. The snow we got will certainly invite the sleds out there.

01-22-2014, 11:07 AM	#7
FLAG! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upton, MA Posts: 112 Thanks: 44 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	You're dead on accurate with that statement! Thanks.

01-22-2014, 12:25 PM	#8
dowshill Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 16 Thanks: 13 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Black Cat seems to think the lake is frozen in, is that just that end of the lake? Are we making progress out in the Broads?

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01-23-2014, 07:07 AM	#11
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,118 Thanks: 1,331 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	I sit miles away from the lake at this moment but I am making the bold prediction that ice in will be declared within 24 hours.

01-23-2014, 09:04 AM	#12
NHWakesurfer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 64 Thanks: 12 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts	If this cold weather hasn't locked it up yet it might just not ever happen this year. Slickcraft might be on to something. At this rate Lake Michigan might freeze over sooner. today has to be the day any updates from overnight. Now we just need some snow!

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01-23-2014, 01:16 PM	#16
Blue Thunder Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Eastern MA & Frye Island/Sebago Lake, Maine Posts: 952 Thanks: 253 Thanked 351 Times in 158 Posts	Looking much closer to total coverage today. The pic is a little milky but still worth looking at. BT And yes, "hot springs" Sebago Lake to the right remains largely open.... Attached Images __________________ " Live for today because yesterday is gone and tomorrow may never come"

01-23-2014, 01:29 PM	#17
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,314 Thanks: 1,232 Thanked 2,101 Times in 960 Posts	Went back with the binoculars, that is definitely a patch of water in my earlier post today. Light blue color and moving ripples on the surface. But is not a large patch of water, maybe 1,500' long and 300' wide and ever so slowly shrinking. All looks solid elsewhere, bob houses between FL 26 and north Welch. Is 99 44/100 good enough? I don't know. Attached Images

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01-23-2014, 01:35 PM	#18
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,602 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,468 Thanked 1,983 Times in 1,083 Posts	Here's a possible definition... If the Mount Washington UTV can make it to its 5 ports of call on the ice, then it is ice in. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

01-23-2014, 01:54 PM	#19
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,314 Thanks: 1,232 Thanked 2,101 Times in 960 Posts	Answering my own question: If it is not safe to travel from the broads to Glendale passing between Welch and Diamond due to open water, then declaring ice-in would give a false sense of security. Like for a snow machine traveling at night.

01-24-2014, 09:01 AM	#22
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,302 Thanks: 2,405 Thanked 5,308 Times in 2,069 Posts	More Pics Here's a couple more pics of the open water I took this morning. Definitely smaller than last time I saw it but still can't believe it has not frozen especially with the -1 degree temps last night! Dan Attached Images __________________ It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!

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01-24-2014, 09:19 AM	#23
HellRaZoR004 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Litchfield/Gilford Posts: 828 Thanks: 233 Thanked 224 Times in 131 Posts	Let's see if this works. Not my photos (Emerson Aviation), just re-posting them. These images are from yesterday.

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01-24-2014, 10:33 AM	#25
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and The Taylor Community Posts: 3,314 Thanks: 1,232 Thanked 2,101 Times in 960 Posts	The open area is wider that it appears from shore, see 2nd pic in Emerson series posted by HellRaZoR004. Also the area of surrounding unsafe ice is quite extensive. Yikes!

01-24-2014, 11:06 AM	#26
FLAG! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upton, MA Posts: 112 Thanks: 44 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	This is nuts! How can that area be unfrozen with the consistently cold temps we've had? Has it been windy at night up there? All it should take is one calm night with these tempareatures to skim that over and it should thicken quickly.

01-24-2014, 11:25 AM	#27
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	Serpents Must be underwater serpents keeping the water moving. It does seem strange. IG __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

01-24-2014, 11:27 AM	#28
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	Snake Eyes power out Just in case you all missed the thread on the power out on Rattlesnake Island. That is the reason that Snake Eyes is not updating. The power company guys will get out there when the ice is safe. __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

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dowshill Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 16 Thanks: 13 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dear Island Girl We are interested in talking to the elect company about hitching up, we are 1 of 4 on the island who aren't connected. Could you send along the contact info for who you have been talking to, perhaps that would be a good time for them to check out our possibilities. Thanks.

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